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Posted on November 14 at 5:01 p.m.
Ok, back now, I'll repost for your benefit: "Oh, that's right, you claimed the song was not racist. Oops, my bad, you claimed it was. "
Guess you didn't read far enough. It was the very next sentence.
It was my tongue-in-cheek attempt at sarcasm since you brought up the racist song first, (implying that those protesting would have an element of racism) then tried to pin it on me that I brought racism into it. I guess I could say WTF and ask if you were on crack for that attempt at reversal, but I won't.
And your attempting to switch the order of things around I find rather dishonest. The statement above was NOT my reply that followed your preceding paragraph. THIS was my actual reply: "Yes, I do think it is reprehensible that they are burning Pelosi in effigy. And some of them are extremists. And that the song as well is being used as racist in nature and is also reprehensible.". My statement about your racist branding and insight was in response to YOU, NOT me, initially bringing racism into the discussion.
I apologize to any and all reading, and also you, goodoleboy, that this has spiraled down into a shouting match where the main point was lost long ago. I DID read a little too much into it that (once again) tea party people were racists and nutjobs. You did not brand all that way, and I apologize for reading too much into it. Since so much of the media does however, please forgive me for being somewhat conditioned to respond that way.
I totally agree with your last statement. I, too, cringe when I see that type of behavior. On both sides. And, I have already seen the backlash beginning. However, Palin was both hung and burned in effigy last year (McCain too) so I'd like to ask you - did you cringe to think what those people do when not in public? Did you speak out against it as reprehensible behavior? I saw backlash against that too - but only from, as you say, very specific and small demographic groups. Compare that to the list of high-profile conservatives I listed who publicly spoke out in condemnation against the song.
Posted on November 14 at 12:29 p.m.
Methusla, you don't need to apologize, I like the fact that you give straight answers to straight questions, whether I agree or not. Something that actually DID go out back around the time of Salem around here - LOL
Well I gotta run for the day. But it's been fun! (but confusing and elusive ;-)
Posted on November 14 at 12:22 p.m.
Hey! We finally agree! Not all teabaggers are extremists! Now if you could just get Pelosi & most media to agree with you....... ;-)
Posted on November 14 at 12:19 p.m.
Hmmm...... funny how you claim I brought race into it...... well everyone else can quite clearly see when "The Magic Negro" was brought up, and by whom. Oh, that's right, you claimed the song was not racist. Oops, my bad, you claimed it was. So.... you brought up a song that you claim is racist, said everyone would be singing it and cheering.......... and I'm the one that brought race into it.
Uh.......... ok.............
Posted on November 14 at 12:14 p.m.
Gazette, PLEASE do not add a an easy way to re-post the previous ala/reply. We'll end up with 382 posts spread over 50 pages in 3 days........ of which only 17 sentences will be new/original..... ;-)
Posted on November 14 at 12:11 p.m.
Yes, I do think it is reprehensible that they are burning Pelosi in effigy. And some of them are extremists. And that the song as well is being used as racist in nature and is also reprehensible. But I'm also just showing the facts behind it, as well.
But not everyone at a tea party is a racist, nor an extremist. People who do the above, yes, I condemn. Most people who attended tea parties, no. Unless you want me to say all Democrats are just like Rev Wright and/or Bill Ayers.
(Notice how easily I figured out who/what I was referring to? Bet everyone else can too! Piece of cake! ;-)
Posted on November 14 at 12:10 p.m.
Methusla, here's a little background on it for you:
"Barack the Magic Negro" is a satirical song by Paul Shanklin, which appeared on his 2008 album We Hate the USA. The song is a parody sung to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon".
The lyrics of "Barack the Magic Negro" refer to President Barack Obama (who at the time the song was written, was a candidate in the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries) as an example of the stock character of the magical negro for whom white American voters would vote in order to assuage white guilt.
The song was first aired on The Rush Limbaugh Show in 2007, prompting criticism of the show's host, the conservative political commentator Rush Limbaugh; however, Limbaugh noted that he was not the one whom had originally coined the term in reference to Obama. The term was first coined by Los Angeles Times columnist, David Ehrenstein, in a column published on March 19, 2007.[LATimes.com, Opinion Section, March 19, 2007]
The title is a reference to the magical negro, a stock character in fiction who commonly helps the white protagonist to get out of trouble. The song mocks David Ehrenstein's assertion in the Los Angeles Times that Barack Obama would serve as a "magical negro" to assuage white guilt, as well as the fact that these comments drew very little heat from the media.
The term was originally used by LA Times writer David Ehrenstein in a March 19, 2007 op-ed titled "Obama the 'Magic Negro'"
In December 2008, Chip Saltsman of Tennessee, a former chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party, became embroiled in controversy when he distributed the song on a "Christmas CD" to RNC members. On December 27, 2008, incumbent RNC chairman Mike Duncan publicly criticized the song's distribution: "I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction." Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich commented that "This is so inappropriate that it should disqualify any Republican National Committee candidate who would use it."
Saltsman later defended himself by accusing the media of bias, of holding him to a double standard compared with Ehrenstein: "liberal Democrats and their allies in the media didn't utter a word about David Ehrenstein's irresponsible column in the Los Angeles Times last March. But now, of course, they're shocked and appalled by its parody on 'The Rush Limbaugh Show."
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Sorry, for the repost, I only wanted to add that David Ehrenstein's mother is African-American (the guy that first used the term). But the prevailing wisdom I'm being told is that nobody would figure that out unless I re-posted everything in its entirety ;-)
Posted on November 14 at 11:54 a.m.
Methusla, here's a little background on it for you:
"Barack the Magic Negro" is a satirical song by Paul Shanklin, which appeared on his 2008 album We Hate the USA. The song is a parody sung to the tune of "Puff, the Magic Dragon".
The lyrics of "Barack the Magic Negro" refer to President Barack Obama (who at the time the song was written, was a candidate in the 2008 Democratic presidential primaries) as an example of the stock character of the magical negro for whom white American voters would vote in order to assuage white guilt.
The song was first aired on The Rush Limbaugh Show in 2007, prompting criticism of the show's host, the conservative political commentator Rush Limbaugh; however, Limbaugh noted that he was not the one whom had originally coined the term in reference to Obama. The term was first coined by Los Angeles Times columnist, David Ehrenstein, in a column published on March 19, 2007.[LATimes.com, Opinion Section, March 19, 2007]
The title is a reference to the magical negro, a stock character in fiction who commonly helps the white protagonist to get out of trouble. The song mocks David Ehrenstein's assertion in the Los Angeles Times that Barack Obama would serve as a "magical negro" to assuage white guilt, as well as the fact that these comments drew very little heat from the media.
The term was originally used by LA Times writer David Ehrenstein in a March 19, 2007 op-ed titled "Obama the 'Magic Negro'"
In December 2008, Chip Saltsman of Tennessee, a former chairman of the Tennessee Republican Party, became embroiled in controversy when he distributed the song on a "Christmas CD" to RNC members. On December 27, 2008, incumbent RNC chairman Mike Duncan publicly criticized the song's distribution: "I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction." Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich commented that "This is so inappropriate that it should disqualify any Republican National Committee candidate who would use it."
Saltsman later defended himself by accusing the media of bias, of holding him to a double standard compared with Ehrenstein: "liberal Democrats and their allies in the media didn't utter a word about David Ehrenstein's irresponsible column in the Los Angeles Times last March. But now, of course, they're shocked and appalled by its parody on 'The Rush Limbaugh Show."
Posted on November 14 at 10:53 a.m.
Give it time, give it time....... I also rescinded my earlier rant about the Kilborn incident being ignored. You can find the definition of that word online most anywhere. ;-)
Nice to see you are among those who brand everyone a racist. More insight.
As to how long you must go before quoting, figure it out. Most kids could ;-)
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Posted on November 14 at 5:04 p.m.
But anyway, to get back to the topic (respectfully) - this was never about Pelosi. I was trying to look at the comparisons between media treatment of our last 2 presidents - Bush and Obama. I agree that it is reprehensible what these nuts are doing towards Pelosi & Reid (but it would be nice if the effigy's of Palin were met with the same condemnation, for instance) - but that and they are not my point. My point is, that although we already do, and will, see disturbing and disgraceful behavior from both sides towards the other, (and this is my OPINION - and I hope I am proved to be right) - we won't have satire shows trying to be "funny" by advocating assassination of Obama. Joy Behar will not have anyone on her show talking about wishing they could or had murdered Obama. And you won't see things like that on major conservative shows like Beck or Hannity, either. If someone does they'll admonish them right on the spot instead of agreeing like Behar did. We won't see Nobel Peace Prize winners at international conferences saying they wish they could kill Obama. Or saying the same thing when speaking to school children in Australia. (Nobel Peace Prize winner my a$$. No wonder the Prize has lost its credibility).
(Side note quote: "Despite the fact that threatening to kill the president is a crime, the Secret Service refused to question her or detain her; according to the Dallas Morning News, “Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren in Washington declined to comment, but a Dallas agent said Ms. Williams had not been questioned and there were no plans to do so.” However, the people who emailed the conference in anger about her threats — they were the ones investigated: “Conference organizers reported that a Dallas police detective was working with hotel security to review about 40 hateful e-mails received in response to Ms. Williams’ speech.”)
Feel free to agree or disagree. Again, I truly hope that I am proved right (that none of these things actually come to pass). And will be deeply saddened if they do :(
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