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Posted on November 22 at 10:12 a.m.
irishemporia-I have a couple of questions for you. Of course I am assuming that you are either Irish or of Irish decent.
1. Why did you or your decendents immigrate to the U.S. ?
2. If I am understanding you correctly. You and all the other ban smoking advocates believe that the businesses that allow smoking, are practicing bad business management and you and the smoking ban advocates believe that you know how to better manage those businesses, just by imposing a smoking ban ?
3. So you as well as other smoking ban advocates really believe that if a business fails after a smoking ban that it will not be because of a smoking ban, which would cause a loss of business and revenue, but would be because of bad business management ?
4. Will you frequent a business that allowed smoking before a smoking ban more after a smoking ban than you do now and spend more money there to help make up for lost customers and revenue ?
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Posted on November 21 at 6:03 p.m.
crackinsack- You don't seem to realize the fact that, being drunk on a public sidewalk, street, etc. and driving while drunk or under the influence of illegal drugs is against the law.
Smoking is not, but all of you ban smoking advocates are trying very hard to force the local City government to write and enact a law which in my opinion violates a citizens freedom of choice, which is guaranteed by the Constitution and a citizens right to protection from undue individual, group or government interference or influence in a citizens life, which is guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights.
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Posted on November 21 at 5:52 p.m.
crackinsack & all smoking ban odvocates- The following is a list of questions I have posed and not received any sensible answers to.
Since the tobacco companies are the ones that add the chemical additivies to their tobacco products that make their products unsafe, why not direct your efforts toward the tobacco companies ?
Since the person who smokes is not the one who makes the product he or she uses unsafe, why pick on them and take away their freedom of choice to live their lives as they see fit to ?
Why do you believe you know or have the ability to decide what is in the best interests of all of Emporia's citizens ?
Why should all citizens of Emporia live their lives according to what you want or believe ?
Since all of you or some of you say that there is not many people who smoke in Emporia, why are you so worried about such a small number of people smoking ?
Do you believe that if a smoking ban is not enacted that Emporia will be come the smoking capitol of the world and you won't be able to breathe or see because of the smoke cloud over and in Emporia ?
Since a smoking ban already exists for all public buildings and businesses in Emporia, why do you feel that a smoking ban needs to encompass all of Emporia's businesses ?
Why do you think that those businesses that allow smoking is unfair to you, when you have numerous businesses in Emporia you may frequent that do not allow smoking ?
Do you believe it is fair to the people who smoke to not be able to go to a bar, tavern, restaurant, etc. and socialize with friends and eat, have a drink, etc. and smoke if they wish to ?
If a smoking ban is enacted and a person is driving down a public street in their privately owned car and is smoking, would they be breaking the smoking ban ordinance and subject to a ticket and a fine ?
Will all of you smoking ban advocates, if a smoking ban is enacted, frequent the business that used to allow smoking, (before the ban) more after a ban and spend more money at that business than you did before the ban ?
Can any of you smoking ban advocates guarantee that if a smoking ban is enacted, such a ban will or will not, in fact cause those businesses that used to allow smoking before a smoking ban, go out of business and people will not loose their jobs because of a smoking ban ?
Do you believe it is fair to those private business owners who wish to run and manage their businesses as they see fitm to force them to run their private business as you are trying to force them to do ?
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Posted on November 21 at 11:44 a.m.
crackinsack- You and all ban smoking advocates have either decided that you don't want to, don't have any sensible answers or are just plain close minded, because none of you have had any kind of answer to the questions I have put to you for answers ! Perhaps you have forgotten what the questions were, if that is the case I will ask them again, if you wish.
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Posted on November 21 at 9:20 a.m.
crackinsack-If the number of smokers in Emporia is as low as you say, what are you and the rest of the CAE advocates so worried about ? Seems to me that if the numbers of smokers are few and far between then you and the rest of the smoking ban advocates should have no trouble avoiding them and SHS.
Ahhhh! The TOTALITY or should I say TOTALITARIAN slant of your comments.
Back to Ryan Fritz. If Ryan should happen to lose his job because of a smoking ban. Will you, Teresa Walters and the rest of the ban smoking advocates at least have the decency to either hire Ryan or at the very least help him to find a job at a smoke free place so he may continue to earn a viable living or donate to a trust fund to support Ryan. As selfish and selfcentered as all the ban smoking advocates sound, I doubt whether you will ever give a second thought to or even care about anyone losing his or her job because of a smoking ban.
The citizens of Emporia have respected each others rights and freedom of choosing how to live their own lives for 151 years and 9 months, that is until until recently. When someone or some group decided that they absolutely know what is in the best interests of the rest of Emporia's citizens.
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Posted on November 19 at 3:58 p.m.
rbow, josiesbar, S.C. Dixon-
I was wondering if a person was to open a bar,tavern, restaurant and grill outside the city limits of Emporia would a smoking ban apply to that business also, since it would be outside the city limits of Emporia and would that business have to pay taxes to the City of Emporia or just to the County?
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Posted on November 19 at 3:52 p.m.
rbow- Sorry for jumping to conclusions. But as you may know by now I get very passionate about the possible loss of anyones rights and freedoms which so much blood has been shed to preserve.
It really riles me to think that a fellow American is trying to dictate to me and others how we can freely live our lives.
Again So Sorry !
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Posted on November 19 at 3:46 p.m.
crackinsack- I am sorry, but there you go again, sounding off without any consideration for anyone but yourself, I hate to say it but apparantely your mouth runs about 70 miles an hour faster than your thinking or compassion for your fellow man. Quit frankly I and probably others are getting pretty tired of your insensitive ramblings. Have you or any of the other ban smoking advocates ever given any thoughts to anyone elses feelings or how this ban may seriously effect them in their ability to make a viable living ! I don't think any of you really have given any serious thought to anything but getting your way no matter how it may adversly affect anyone else.
Your statement reeks of a " I really don't care if anyone goes out of business because of a smoking ban attitude", which tells me what kind of person you really are. Also sounds like a "targeting" campaign to me.
Again I will ask you and all ban smoking advocates, " Will you frequent these businesses that allow smoking now any more if a smoking ban passes than you do now? "
Please a straight forward and truthful answer would be appreciated.
Before you answer, please remember that there is already a smoking ban ordinance for all publicly owned and operated businesses in effect now.
Here is another question for all smoking ban advocates.
If a smoking ban passes, where are the people who smoke supposed to go and socialize if they cannot go to a privately owned bar, tavern, club, restaurant or grill and wish to socialize with friends or have a meal other than their own home ?
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Posted on November 19 at 3:22 p.m.
So, if I am understanding josiesbar comment correctly, there will be no open public vote on a smoking ban proposal ?
If I am correct, then so much for a free democratic vote on the making of laws in Emporia. And one more step toward the "Totalitarian" local government I have been professing all along. Again If anyone does not know what "Totalitarianism is, here it is in plain english.
totalitarianism (tōtăl'ĭtâr`ēənĭzəm), a modern government in which the state involves itself in all facets of society, including the daily life of its citizens. A totalitarian government seeks to control not only all economic and political matters but the attitudes, values, and beliefs of its population, erasing the distinction between state and society .
So if anyone believes that involving the local government in banning and controlling one aspect of everyday lives of the citizens of Emporia is not a form or step toward "Totalitarianism", then please tell me what it is, it damn sure isn't a form of fair an equal government.
(Sigh!) After many decades of the same old status quo form of local government I am way past way past being proud of Emporia and believing that everyone in Emporia is thought of as being equal and having equal rights, freedoms and equal voice in whats fair, right or wrong.
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Posted on November 22 at 10:18 a.m.
P.S. irishemporia- I don't know what your answers to my questions will be. But I believe that most people who immigrate to the U.S. do so because they wanted the freedoms that exist in the U.S. and that includes the freedom of choice to live as you choose to live without the fear that an individual, group or government entity is going to try and force their particular beliefs and way of living upon you and others.
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