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Posted on May 7 at 1:39 p.m.
Im curious as to how all those dogs were identified as pit bulls. Its a proven fact pit bulls take responsibility for attacks that werent caused by any one of the breeds defined as a pit bull. I'm not saying they werent, but how is it really known? Because they might look like a pit bull type? Again... go take the "find the pit bull test." I doubt you could pick it out.
Pit bulls arent the only TYPES of dogs doing such things. It goes through all breeds/mixes.
Why is it people turn their heads when a breed other than one of the pit bull types is involved in an attack?
I WAS at the meeting. There was ONE person there fighting to ban pit bull types. ONE. And there wasnt a single person who thought dangerous dogs, OF ANY BREED, and their irresponsible owners should be let off easy.
One more thing... Any dog of any breed or type has the ability to be dangerous, including the little ones. To not think so is moronic. One of my biggest pet peeves is how owners of little dogs think its "cute" when their little dog bares his teeth back and tries to bite someone. See it all the time on those stupid home videos and what not.
Just a few of the "not so dangerous" little dogs that have made (local) news. Funny how if it were a pit bull it would be everywhere but since they arent the stories arent all over the news...
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news...
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/dog.mutilat...
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/10/09/po...
A pom attacks a pit bull... http://community.livejournal.com/breedis...
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Posted on May 7 at 9:31 a.m.
net... Dont we need that from ALL dog owners? Pit bull types are not the only ones involved in bites and attacks.
I mentioned in a previous post about a dog that was attacking children (he lived right next to Lowther South). I called the police, because of course, animal control was closed (surprise, surprise). When the officer got there the dog growled, barked and lunged at him. He said he was going to have to go get the animal control truck and he'd be back. When he got back, as he was trying to confine the dog, the owner pulled up. The officer allowed the guy to put his dog back in the kennel he had escaped from and didnt even give the man a ticket. The dog had already bitten and chased several children. It wasnt a pit bull type.
I see dogs running loose all over the place.
I have no problem working with the community, but again, it shouldnt be just pit bull owners but owners of any type of dog. Maybe more pit bull owners would be willing if the rest of the community wasnt calling for their dogs head on a platter.
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Posted on May 7 at 8:58 a.m.
KStre... The reputation comes from people like hottopics blaming every pit bull (type) for what happened to her dogs instead of blaming the irresponsible owner. It comes from people like hottopics saying the MIX that attacked her dog is the same as my full blooded dog. It comes from the fact that most dog attacks are reported by either the person attacked or a witness, who dont know the difference between a lab mix and a pit bull. It comes from irresponsible owners and irresponsible breeders.
Have you seen those huge white "pit bulls" around town? The people breeding them are calling them something like "California Kings" or something of the sort. They sell them and tell people they are buying a pit bull while they are really mixed breed curs. One of those dogs bites someone and guess who takes tha blame? Pit bulls. I dispise people who follow "breeding practises" like that. They have no concern for temperament or health, just money. Unfortunately those kinds of breeders are all over the place with every breed you can name. Remember all the hype about Dalmatians after the 101 Disney movie? That hype, irresponsible breeding and ownership landed Dalmatians in the top 10 of most dangerous breeds, where they still sit. There is still a problem wiht temperament in that breed. They are still know to be dangerous around children. (Should we ban them?)
Again, I am not saying a pit bull type hasnt ever done anything wrong unprovoked, but there isnt a single breed that hasnt. There isnt a single breed that hasnt killed or completely maimed someone. People tend to forget that any pit bull statistics, other than those on the ATTS website are not the stats of one breed but several, including any dog that resembels a pit bull type (go try the 'find the pit bull' test I posted earlier). When you see all those pit bull stats, it isnt one breed but several, including anything that resembles a pit bull type. If we did the same with other types of dogs we wouldnt see much of a difference, and actually, APBTs would be lower on the list than most breeds in the bite catergory.
I am by no means saying there aren't bad dogs. I am not one of those people who believe it is all in how they are raised. Bloodlines have a lot to do with it.
Also, look at the population of pit bull types here in Emporia. You cant take a drive on a nice day without seeing several pit bulls. If these dogs were so dangerous, considering the population of them in our town, dont you think there would have been more than just one attack in the last couple years? I know there have been other breeds responsible for attacks, just none of them make the paper.
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Posted on May 6 at 1:58 p.m.
IF.... ? If I had to choose? Now, that is just silly. I wouldnt choose to be bitten by any dog. But, like the Pom story I posted above, little dogs can kill and have.
Why do I have a pit bull? I actually have a full blooded American Pit Bull Terrier, and there is a difference between a pit bull, Am Staff, Staffie, APBT, etc. I have owned several in my life and will continue to own them. Each one had been raised around children, with no problem. Mind you, I did say APBT which is the only breed to be bred to specifically NOT be aggressive towards people. I am curious as to what people think these dogs have been bred for. So many on here seem to be confused about the history of the different pit bull types. Anyway, I have an APBT because I have extensive experience with them. I have been around them for years and have visited several breeders and seen thousands (literally) or APBTs. Out of those thousands, not one, not a single one, has ever shown the slightest sign of aggression towards me (who was a stranger to them). I love the breed. I love their "personalities," their loyalty, their gameness (a trait only APBTs have), I love their sillyness and their funny ways of going about getting attention. I love that my dog knows the difference between playing with a child and playing with an adult. I love their intelligence, their willingness to please... Just the tip of the iceberg.
Where does the "aggression by nature" come from?? Opinion? Yes because it certainly isn't truth.
I am curious as to your experience with pit bull types?
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Posted on May 6 at 12:16 p.m.
So I guess the logic of some here should also be applied to other things??
We lost a young kid not very long ago because an irresponsible gun owner shot into a field. So, no one should be allowed to own guns.
Cars kill people on a daily basis so no one should be able to own a car.
The smoking ban might as well be in place too... I mean, we all know the dangers smoking cause to not only the person smoking but to those around it.
I dont get the logistics of small dogs being any less dangerous. They can still kill, as proven by the pom example.
Again... look at the places that have banned pit bull types and check their bite statistics. Bites have not decreased in any of those places but have risen.
Some of you need to check out the myths surrounding pit bull types.
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Posted on May 6 at 8:54 a.m.
Kstre.... And the site posted by another said it was rotties, and yet another site states labs... You can find all the stats you want. Keep in mind that pit bull types are also the most misidentified types. I tend to look more at the sites that deal with actual breeds, registered, like the ATTS.
I have owned nothing but APBTs and been around thousands of others. I have never had one single show any sign of aggression.
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Posted on May 5 at 10:26 p.m.
Pit bull TYPES are not the only breeds to have bitten people and are not the only breeds to have violently attacked people. Call for a ban on pit bull types for biting then every breed that has bitten someone should be banned. That means no one could have dogs, of any kind. Look at the statistics of the places that have put bans into effect and you will see that bites have not gone down but have risen. Breed bans have proven themselves to not work. Irresponsible owners will and do just go out and get another dog, breed makes no difference.
Just a little "pit bull" education... The term "pit bull" does not define one breed but several. The term includes American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers, Bull Terriers, Cane Corsos, Presa Canarios, Bull Mastiffs, just to name a few, including ANY dog that resembles what a pit bull is supposed to look like. Lets bunch up all the other type dogs together and you would see pit bull types are actually responsible for less bites than the other types. The stories of a pit bull biting make front page news, while the story informing readers the breed of the dog was not correct is always a little one liner lost somewhere in the paper in the next few days. The boxer that bit several children, here in Emporia, was never even reported, even though the police were called. Neither was the lab, or the golden retriever. Oh, Boulder CO banned pit bull types even though the number one biting breed in their area is the Labrador... Their bite stats like all other places with bans in effect went up after the pit bull ban.
Take a look at the "Find the pit bull test" and see who can get it right... http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_find_the_p...
I know some will cheat but give it a try.
Next, I would just like to say, I am a responsible owner of a full blooded American Pit Bull Terrier. Don't punish me or my dog for someone else's mistake. It is the owner who is responsible, not the dog and certainly not the type of dog.
Educate yourselves before you call for the guillotine.
Just so everyone knows... American Pit Bull Terriers are the only breed in history to be bred to be specifically NOT human aggressive. Again, educate yourselves.
http://www.atts.org/index.html - A site that doesnt hate or love pit bull types but gives REAL statistics.
http://www.pbrc.net/
A Pomeranian killed a baby... http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2... They should be banned.
Poodle attack - http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbur...
And here is a site that lists some dog attacks... http://www.standunited.ca/sourcesforread...
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Posted on May 7 at 2:44 p.m.
I have no problem offering my support to the community, but I will not support any kind of BSL. And, yeah, as an owner of an APBT I am defensive and will continue to be as long as people are trying to take my right to own my choice of breed.
You say you dont have a "breed specific" ordinance in mind yet you say " I really don't think we can get to pit bull owners to agree with us to find a solution to the problem." Instead of stating that ALL dog owners need to work with the community to solve the problem. That is why I posted the articles.
We will have problems with dogs of all types until our law enforcement does something about all the stray dogs running around, or when they start to enforce the leash law, and until people with dogs (of any kind) become more responsible.
I agree harsher punishments should be put on irresponsible owners.
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