Vicious Dogs
By Joey Berlin, Brandy Nance (Contact)
Originally published 02:07 p.m., May 21, 2008
Updated 02:07 p.m., May 21, 2008
Recent dog attacks in Emporia have raised new concerns, and for some have opened up old wounds.
This week also marks National Dog Bite Prevention Week around the United States. Dog bite prevention week kicked off on Sunday when letter carriers in California led a dog around to rally for dog-bite prevention.
Two recent attacks have sparked the new debate in Emporia. On May 5, a woman was taken to Newman Regional Health following a pit bull attack at her home in the 700 block of West Ninth Avenue. That victim said she was walking her dog in her backyard when a pit bull came in and attacked her. The victim was treated for dog bites and lacerations.
With that case, Robert Rodriguez of 719 W. Ninth Ave., was cited for a dog at large, no city tag and vicious animal violation.
A few days later, Kurt Fifelski, a sophomore majoring in political science at Emporia State University, was bitten while he was walking down an alley at 11th Avenue and Mechanic Street.
“There was a pit bull that was leashed to the steering wheel of the car,” Fifelski said in a phone interview. “It saw me walking and was able to break the leash. It chased after me and latched into my leg and that was about it.”
Fifelski said he went to Newman Regional Health, where he was treated for the dog bites. He said the dog did puncture the skin.
“It looks like a bad bruise right now but it’s not too bad,” he said last week. “It is fine. Every once in a while it hurts. It is just a little sting.”
The recent attacks have one local resident unhappy with the way the city is handling the incidents both presently and in the past. Tricia Segobia lost her dog Tater Bug, a Yorkshire terrier, after it was killed by a pit bull mix in 2006. In that 2006 article, Segobia said the dog was put in the pound for 10 days and was returned to its owner. The dog then killed another dog. The dog eventually was destroyed — but not before taking the other two dogs’ lives.
Segobia said not much has changed since that incident.
“A dog will kill another dog and will go to the pound for 10 days,” Segobia said. “It goes back to the owner before the owner even goes back to court. I went before the city commission to have that changed.”
Segobia said more needs to be done.
“I’ve told (people) this is a time bomb ticking,” she said. “If you don’t do something it’s going to be a person or a child. It’s going to be somebody’s kid!”
Emporia’s municipal code states that the owner of a dog or cat can’t permit the animal to run at large, according to City Attorney Blaise Plummer. Running at large is defined as the animal not being confined by a building, fence, cage or closed vehicle, or restrained by a leash, rope, chain or cord.
Reading from the code, Plummer said that an absolute defense to an animal-at-large complaint was that the animal was within the limits of its owner or harborer’s premises and in the control of that person. If that defense is proven, Plummer said, the city’s $10-per-day fee for impounding the animal would not be collected. He said the city’s leash law had been on the books for a long time.
Police Chief Gary Smith said that most of the time, a bite or scratch resulting from an at-large animal wouldn’t result in criminal charges, but was potential grounds for a civil suit.
“I would assume that if there’s injury, we’re gonna take a look at it (as a potential criminal matter),” Smith said. “We can always cite ‘em for running loose if we catch ‘em. The challenge is getting a hold of ‘em.”
Smith said there’s a conventional wisdom to avoid tranquilizing an animal at large if it’s not an immediate threat because of the dangers of doing so.
“Because all the perception here as of late has been that, ‘All these dogs are running loose, why doesn’t somebody catch ‘em?’” Smith said. “Well even if we had people out all the time, you gotta be able to catch up with them with a catch pole, or you gotta trap ‘em or do something like that. There’s some concerns about that — potential injuries if you’re trying to trap dogs and cats, as well as people’s property rights and stuff like that.”
There has been no mention of changes on the horizon for Emporia’s animal ordinances. Residents like Segobia aren’t happy with that.
“They need to have somebody going out and checking out every dog that they see,” she said. “Where’s your license? Where are your vaccinations? If everybody pays $10 then there’s your money ... the city has been doing nothing ... it’s pretty pathetic.”
Avoiding bites
• Don’t run past a dog. The dog’s natural instinct is to chase and catch prey.
• If a dog threatens you, don’t scream. Avoid eye contact. Try to remain motionless until the dog leaves, then back away slowly until the dog is out of sight.
• Don’t approach a strange dog, especially one that’s tethered or confined.
• People who choose to pet dogs should always let a dog see and sniff them before petting.
Source: www.nodogbites.org.
Responsible owners
• Obedience training can teach dogs proper behavior and help owners control their dog in any situation.
• When the letter carrier comes to your home, keep your dog inside, away from the door, in another room, or on a leash.
• Don’t let your child take mail from the letter carrier in the presence of your dog. Your dog’s instinct is to protect the family.
• Spay or neuter your dog. Neutered dogs are less likely to bite. HSUS statistics reflect that dogs that have not been spayed or neutered are up to three times more likely to be involved in a biting incident than neutered or spayed dogs.
• Dogs that haven’t been properly socialized, receive little attention or handling, or are left tied up for long periods of time frequently turn into biters.
Source: www.nodogbites.org.
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Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chained to a steering wheel?? Both are lucky to have survived but what about the next one?? Who is going to start setting the examples of what happens if your dog attacks?
Posted by wanderer (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, who is going to start setting the budget? The city's animal control division has been on a tight purse for years. All the rules and laws in the world don't make a difference if you don't have the ability to enforce them.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That was brought to their attention in 2006 as well. A law is useless unless it is enforced. If you hire someone to go door to door and issue city tags it would pay for itself. If Municipal Court would start actually recovering the fines instead of dismissing cases a LOT of revenue would be there to help. Court costs dont help, enforce the fines and they should be a lot steeper as well. If people knew it was going to hurt their bank account they will work a lot harder to keep dogs confined and I dont mean tied to a tree or a steering wheel. Its common sense!! Helllloooooo?????
Posted by ddarbro (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Emporia should pass a no pit bull ordinance like they have in other cities and or force the owners of these animals to have a $500,000 liability insurance. This has worked in other cities. It is obvious that something needs to be done before a child is seriously injured or killed.
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
its not the DOGS/ BREED's fault its how they are raised... i think its bogus to do something like this. its stereotyping and wrong. they OWNERS are irresponsible and should pay the price. punish the deed not the breed. its like kids that are raised with out morals and stuff and they become promiscuous or hoodlums. they parents never taught them manners so how would they know wrong from right? its rediculous. they should stop people and have them register their dogs and vacinated. if its a possible ticket why not reinforce it?? let it be known let people get scared and start caring.
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
plus yorkies and chihuahuas and daschounds fail with higher percent of the ATT the temperment test. they are yappy dogs that are need to be put in check by the irresponsible owners that dont have them hush up and are yapping to provoke a fight with a larger dog. they are small dogs with a large dog additude.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ddarbo: I think you have stumbled upon Emporia's answer to vicious animal control. The prevailing rule appears to be "wait until someone dies, or a small child is ripped to shreds, then we'll figure out what to do about it." Good plan? Probably not. Manhattan bans Pit Bulls. So does Overland Park, and Springfield, and the entire state of Oklahoma. It seems those places respect human life a bit more than the city of Emporia. It's time to get proactive. I would much rather anger a few selfish idiots who compensate for lack of testosterone by owning a Pit Bull than watch a mother grieve over the mauled remains of beautiful child. Ban the Bulls and create massive penalties for owners who allow them to do harm. Anything less is bull.
Posted by outdoorguy (anonymous) on May 21, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Everyone is half right. Pit bulls in some situations can be good pets. But, just like with any breed,the OWNERS are the deciding factor. You can train a rat terrior to take your throat out! When you see the neighbor in thier yard training a pit to be mean,pick up the phone and call it in. Dog on a small chain or rope, call it in. Become such a nuisance that someone will be forced to address that particular animal. Worst case no one shows up after about the 4th call. Then I guess my statement would be" last time I saw that dog he was running that way dragging a chain" (said while I'm cleaning the hair and blood out of the bed of my truck, and washing the river road mud off my tires!)
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)
outdoorguy: Some are half right, half are somewhat right, and most are dead right. Pit Bulls possess a gene no other breed has. They are born killers. Sure, some are good pets; sweet as a kitty cat---until the gene snaps and they rip your aorta out. Some Pythons make good pets. Some lions make good pets. Some bears make good pets. But at the drop of a hat, with no provocation, and having been loved and pampered all their lives, they can turn on you like a woman scorned. Owners are not the deciding factor; the nature of the breed is the deciding factor.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I asked for liability insurance for those who own these dogs. It would keep the irresponsible ones from owning them.
I told them that I was trying to prevent humans from being the next victims. Guess what, the time has arrived and still no real solid protection for us.
Posted by landofoz (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 1:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Pit Bull ban is a buch of junk. I have a Pit Bull and it is not to compensate for lack of testosterone. At first I didn't want one because I was really narrow minded about them like some of the people posting on here. I was worried that they were crazy killers. But my girlfriend had owned them before and brought home a puppy one day. Since then I would have to say that she is the best dog I have ever owned. The sweetest most gentle animal I have had, she lays with our baby Kittens and takes care of them like they were her own. The only thing she might do is lick you to death. Heck if we spoke dog we would probably find out that those little worthless dogs are probably talking smack to the bigger dogs because they think they are really tough. If you enlarged a Chihuahua to the size of a Pit Bull it would be killing everything that it saw. I think that in order to have an opinion on the breed you should have to own one. If they ban Pit Bull's they should ban those little annoying dogs also, I think they violate the noise ordinance because they never shut up. If any of you want to get rid of you small dogs I have a large Boa Constrictor that is really hungry so just let me know and I can take care of them for you. What is wrong is all of the retarded ghetto people who can't get a real job so they start fighting a Pit Bull to make some money so they can buy their crack rocks, and guns to rob people with. It is not the dog's fault that there are so many moron's in the world. If you were going to get a review on a corvette would you want to talk to someone who has actually driven one before, or you listen to the opinion of some idiot who drives a prius. They have to draw the line somewhere with all of the laws they make or pretty soon this will no longer be a free country. So many people just stand by and watch the corrupt government take away all of our freedoms.
Posted by create (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Corrupt government taking away all your freedoms? Listen to yourself trashing "retarded ghetto people." You don't like people stereotyping dogs, but you're willing to do the same thing with humans?
What's it gonna take? Here's the latest news on a 7-year-old boy in Texas JUST THIS WEEK, killed by two Pit Bulls while he played. Ironically, child protective services is investigating the boy's parents for neglectful supervision!!! Read this unbelievable story. Like I said, what's it gonna take?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24711698/
Posted by lacrobert2 (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is ridiculous. I know how scary it is to have your dog attacked. About a year or so ago my terrier was attacked by a pit bull in my back yard. She had to be taken to the vet hospital because of all the punctures and bleeding, which were right by her lungs. We got lucky. But its not right.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Landofoz: The Pit Bull ban is not a "bunch of junk". It's good common sense. The dogs have been bred for centuries to kill and they are equipped to do so. 800 pounds of pressure in their deadly jaws is double that of any other dog. And you claim you don't own your Pit Bull to compensate for a low testosterone level---or other short comings---yet you say you also own a Boa Constrictor? Good Lord, son. I hope you don't have children in that house. If so, I hope you have life insurance on them. I bet you own a lot of assault rifles, too, and one of those big ol' honkin' trucks with the giant tires, huh?.
By the way: I know how a Corvette drives. I owned one; a '63 fastback---grey, 327, 4-speed---but I didn't need to own one to know it was fast and a cheerleader magnet, just as I don't need to own a Pit Bull, or Boa Constrictor, to know they are a funeral waiting to be scheduled.
No one wants to take your rights away, Landofoz. Heck, I love dogs and think everyone should own one. We have two. But we choose to own breeds that have a very low probability of ripping out the throat of neighbor's child when the in-bred switch clicks. I don't feel my rights are infringed because the government doesn't allow me to own hand grenades or rocket launchers so you shouldn't feel too bad if more rationally thinking citizens call for a ban on your exposive and equally deadly Pit Bull.
Posted by MerleCrimbatt (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All of you are way off track here man.
NumberOneLadiesChoice? That’s right, the city of Emporia has voted me, Merle “The Marlin” Crimbatt as the 2008 Number One (#1) Ladies Choice. Thank you, and soon you can go to NumberOneLadiesChoice.com for pictures and applications to participate in the “Live with ‘the Marlin’ for a year” government subsidy program.
Dogs, huh? Dog(S)!?! Emporia, You’ve done it again. I was already sleeping when I read this article, and now I’m even more tired and bored.
I would like to use this forum for address two issues – my lost dog and dog tranquilizers. Police Chief Smith, you say you like to avoid dog tranquilizers at ALL COSTS? What are you afraid of – getting hit (with the dart) your(SELF)? Have your guys bitten anyone? They wouldn’t like it, so I say let the poison darts FLY!
And, let’s not forget that there are a few folks out there (weird), but (TRuE) that like being bitten. We should use the tranquilizers on them also – before or during the bite, but not after, because you know they will show up in the hospital and just put a serious strain on our health care system.
“The Marlin”
Posted by Blackshirt (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Read this excerpt from a caninie expert:
Canine Genetics and Behavior
By Glen Bui, American Canine Foundation
" To state that a breed of dog is aggressive is scientifically impossible. Statistics do not support such a finding. Dogs have been
domesticated for thousands of years and within all breeds there can be dangerous dogs because of owner issues such as
training the dog to attack, lack of training and socialization.
There is no such thing as the "Mean Gene" in dogs as well as in people. However mutant genes have been discovered. Alteration
of a single DNA base in the gene encoding an enzyme called monoamine oxidase A (MAOA) has been found to render the enzyme
nonfunctional. This enzyme normally catalyzes reactions that metabolize the neurotransmitters dopamine, serotonin, and
noradrenaline. What this does is cause slight mental impairment which interferes with the ability to cope with certain situations
resulting in aggression. There is no proof and there never has been that the American Pit Bull Terrier possesses mutant genes.
There is a one in ten thousand chance of a mutant gene appearing in a population
Try to focus on the problem of dog owners that aren't responsible and not the dog.
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
they were once bred to fight but NOW if they are BRED correctly with good socialization and temperment they are bred to be lovers. like all them other dogs its just the IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS that lead one thing to another and once the media hears about it they publicize it. its ignorant how people just stereotype and are bias. its the owners im telling you. PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED. doing this, people will just release their dogs and there are usally massive amounts of stray pit bulls and the ones that werent brot up right is gonna be the peoples problems. i think they should go through allys and houses to houses to reinfornce pet liscense and all that ..
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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Posted by madpoet (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think it would be a good idea to require liability insurance on ALL large dogs. Any dog can bite but large ones can do more damage. That way no one is screaming discrimination for having a pit bull. Different breeds have different temperaments. Sorry, but pit bulls are much more likely to be aggressive than a Lab or golden retriever. I've been attacked by a Lab mix and Jack Russell terrier (same whacked owner) so know any breed can be vicious if abused. BUT some dogs were bred for fighting and guarding and are naturally more aggressive. Want a big dog? Get a Lab or collie. Hunting and herding dogs are bred to bond with people and usually have great temperaments.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Blackshirt: One man's opinion and he is biased. That's like appointing senators to investigate the senate. He says there is no proof either way of mutant behavior in Pit Bulls. However, newspaper articles every day of the week reporting on maulings and deaths say just the opposite. I've never heard of anyone training an alligator to attack but it does so from instinct. Saying Pit Bulls aren't the pits is bull.
Posted by Blackshirt (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bjnemp: Citing newspaper articles as authority isn't all that great. Sensationalism sells papers and that is their business. The guy is from the American Canine Assoc. not the pit bull assoc. he is offering facts not emotionally charged selected facts.
Come on, be serious.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Blackshirt: So... your are attempting to convince me that all the news reports of Pit Bull attacks are exaggerated and/or untrue and that the guy from the Canine Ass. has no vested interest in improving the Pit Bull image? Nice try, but didn't work. Ban the breed and jail the breeders.
Posted by CassieJo (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What are your thoughts on Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepherds? These are also big powerful dogs who can do a lot of damage if they attack. Many of these dogs are also abused and trained to be people-aggressive. Should we ban them as well? Or what about wolves? What about sharks and poisonous snakes? Should we ban them too, and kill all the ones we come in contact with because they have the potential to cause harm? Cars, knives and cigarettes are not banned, yet they cause many deaths.
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Summary of the December, 1997 Dog Fancy magazine: "$30 Million Sniffer Nabs Smugglers"
"Taylor, a 4-year old pit bull mix, shows a real knack for his job. In his first two years on the job, he has sniffed out more than $30 million worth of narcotics...Out of more than 100 dogs in the San Diego [CA, USA] district K-9 unit, Taylor ranks as a top performer."
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Posted by CassieJo (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Bjnemp I bet you own a lot of assault rifles, too, and one of those big ol' honkin' trucks with the giant tires, huh?.
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Did you know that Helen Keller even had a Pit Bull as her canine companion? So should we assume that she owned a lot of assault rifles, too, and one of those big ol' honkin' trucks with the giant tires, huh?.
Posted by bystander (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just 5 minutes of research, you can also find some "Punish the Deed not the Breed" stuff. But what you do find is all dogs can bite, but the most serious of bites come from a few breeds.
The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening. According to the Clifton study, Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first nown dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states: If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a Pit Bull Terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.
In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a Pit Bull bites a human, one in 16 (e.g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.
Posted by landofoz (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't own any assult rifles or a big honkin truck LOL that is hilarious. The only reason you see so many stories on Pit Bulls attacking is to fuel the mob of ignorant people. If they wrote a story on a Lab attacking someone no one would read it, because all people want to read about is the "Killer Pit Bulls" so those are the only dogs that get in the news. I am sure there are plenty of other instances where other breeds of dogs attack but you don't know about them because no one is instereted in believing that their beloved "family dog" can also be a killer. I can see where medium/large dogs can be a danger to children but for a grown adult come on they weigh about 50-80 lbs on average, most adults weigh a good deal more than that. If one attacks you just fight back I mean come on it doesn't even have hands, it can't kick or punch you. All you have to defend against is an attack from one place a mouth if you were fighting a human you would have to watch for 4 weapons. One on one you should have no problem stopping a medium sized dog from attacking you. And yes a Pit Bull is a medium sized dog a large dog is a Mastiff or Great Dane at least that is how I see it. My friend had a Doberman trying to attack him once, when it came at him he just punched it in the face then put it in a head lock until it quit wanting to fight, he left without a scratch on him, so I know it can be done. Pit Bulls are great dogs all of the people who hate them are just brainwashed fools who watch too much news, they only write what they want you to hear. But I don't really care if you call me a assult rifle big honkin' truck guy, even though there is nothing wrong with owning those items. I still have my family loving Pit Bull, and I guess if they ban Pit Bulls I will just have to move out of this little metropolis.
Posted by netloafer (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I hear about the irresponsible owners. There's some truth in that. But if/when a pit bull is clamping down on my arm, leg, or head, I can assure you that my mind isn't going to be on whether or not its owner is irresponsible.
Nor do I think that the parents of a child who is being mauled by a dog, pit bull or otherwise, have their minds on the irresponsible owner.
Also, I don't like the idea of having to wait until something terrible happens before action is taken, which seems to be the rationale of some. And, if we continue to do nothing about this problem something really terrible will happen. I hope and pray that it doesn't, but I'm afraid that if we continue our present course it will. What will the pit bull advocates say then? Sorry?
Posted by lycomu (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why do you supose they are called "pit bulls" There must be some reason they are'nt called "loves kitties bulls" or "warm and fuzzy bulls"
Posted by CassieJo (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Famous American Pit Bull Terriers
http://hubpages.com/hub/Famous_Pit_Bulls...
People that train them to fight and kill should be punished. There is a difference in an animal when it is raised as a family pet and when its raised to fight, kill etc ..
Why can't we see the positive side of things instead of being so negative.. Any breed can be whatever you make it to be..
For those of you who don't know who Helen Keller was she was born deaf and blind and owned a Pit Bull!!
Posted by Weltha (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not to nit-pick because I see where you are going with this and am on your side but.... Helen Keller wasn't born deaf and blind. She fell ill as a baby (around a year old ?!) and the high fever and illness left her deaf and blind.
Posted by CassieJo (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My mistake ... You're right weltha ...
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We cant make people be responsible dog owners that is why the city, the government or whoever it takes to crack down on this before another person friggin dies. Love your pets? I hope you do but if you know that your breed has the potential to attack, seriously injure or KILL another animal, a child or any person for that matter you better have the correct containment (NOT CHAINED TO A TIRE,BOAT TRAILER, or whatever) but a real secure yard to protect your neighbors. You better have home owners insurance or a liability policy in place because if you dont and this happens, not only is the victims life ruined but yours as well being legally and financially. It can ruin your own future just to prove a point that you can own a animal with the nature inflected aggression it has in its genetics. I want to be protected from you idiots that think you have to have these dogs to 'prove' a point. Sorry but I dont want my kids to be mauled and shredded like I have watched done by this breed. Its not pretty to see a animal murdered and I sure as hell dont want to see a human suffer it either. Make it safe for all of us or shut up.
Posted by KUtriSIS (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a comment on the subject of liability for dogs. I liked the comment made early about making all LARGE dog owners carry insurance because it doesn't discriminate. But on the Pitbull topic more so, what happens when that 90 lb dog down the road gets in my fence and attacks my pitbull for the third time? Is that okay, I don't think so! Yes, there are animals out there that are vicious but there are by far more dogs that are nice in this so called "bully breed" than there are vicious ones. Dogs just don't snap unless they are provoked. But I tell you what each time this dog has attacked my dog animal control just returns the dog to the owners! THAT'S WHAT IS BULL!!!
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree, a dog that repeat attacks should be immediately deemed vicious and put down.
People who own homes, their home owners insurance covers any damages their dog does, BUT many insurance companies will NOT cover your dog if it is a certain breed. You need to check with them to see. Also if you are a home owner and a renter's dog does damage your insurance may cover it. When our dogs were killed the owners home ins paid out and then they cancelled their policy because they are not suppose to have pit bulls under the ins co. policy.
So there are easy ways to protect others if you choose to own a dog that has the ability to do so.
Now I dont believe dogs attack only if provoked. All of the incidences that I have been made aware of the pit bull or what ever breed left its own yard and went elsewhere and attacked. So that theary is out the window. They attack on instinct. Many have been raised in loving homes and have turned on family members so that just doesnt fly.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KUtruSIS: You say "dogs just snap unless they are provoked". You also say a 90 pound dog keeps jumping the fence and attacking your Pit Bull. My advice: stop provoking that 90 pound dog!
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 7:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
blind bias'd uneducated people.. dog dont just SNAP. its hwo they are raised. BREEDS DONT MAKE BAD DOGS, PEOPLE MAKE BAD DOGS!!!! first they attacked dobermans, then akitas now pitbulls. wtf. seriously! pathetic.
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Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 22, 2008 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Stevenik: Have you ever heard the old saying, "A sure way to tell if someone is crazy is if they think everyone else is crazy?" Well, you think everyone else is "blind, biased, and uneducated." Hmmmm. I do agree with you, though, that "breeds don't make bad dogs." The fact is, Pit Bulls make bad dogs. I don't know why people insist on owning Pit Bulls. Is it a macho thing? Is it because they were afraid of the Boogey Man as a child and feel they need protection? Is it a death wish? All I know is; if you own one, I hope you have a HUGE bank account to settle future lawsuits and that you have no children in your house or neighborhood. Pit Bulls make good pets like Al Qaeda is a bunch of nice guys wanting peace on earth.
Posted by emporian (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So where does it stop? I dont want govt intrusion coming into every aspect of my life telling me what I can and cant do.
If you want a pitbull fine. Just know if it injures or kills me or a family member, not only will I/they then own your house, trucks, pretty much everything you have ever acquired in life along with ever ounce of your money, I will make sure that you never forget about it. Sue their pants off. When people are scared they could lose everything just to own a damn dog, fewer and fewer will show up.
Funny, everybody paints pitbulls has a ticking timebomb. What about the drunks that are on our roads hitting and killing innocent people everyday. I gaurantee(sp) drunks kill/injure more people everyday than a pitbull does in 10 years. Where is the call for prohibition? Look at all the DUIs issued and the accidents that list alcohol as a factor here. Yet we would rather go after one breed of dog because of *gasp* 2 bites this year. I'd say your child is much more likely to get hit by a drunk (or a person talking on their cellphone for that matter) than they are to be attacked by a "pitbull".
Posted by KUtriSIS (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.
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Posted by KUtriSIS (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bjnemp:"You say "dogs just snap unless they are provoked". You also say a 90 pound dog keeps jumping the fence and attacking your Pit Bull. My advice: stop provoking that 90 pound dog!"
Thank you for completing not even reading what I wrote. How I am provoking the 90lb dog when mine and me are doing what we should do inside our house or FENCED backyard while this other dog does not ever get fenced up and is left on a 5 foot walking leash tied to the front porch of the peoples house (which is how he gets away, pulling his collar off). Are you really saying that when that dog gets away from his owners who are being irresponsible, runs free in the neighborhood running along every fence where there is an animal he can torment or provoke and then him JUMPING INTO OUR YARD IS MY FAULT!?!?!?! Please do explain to me your reasonings on why this scenario is my fault.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KUtriSIS: Good grief! How simple must it be in order for you to comprehend? You said "Dogs just don't snap unless they are provoked." Then you said a dog keeps jumping your fence and attacking your dog. So I said "Stop provoking that 90 pound dog." Get it? You said dogs never attack without provocation, yet your dog keeps getting attacked by another dog, so I assumed you must be provoking the neighbor's dog since "dogs just don't snap unless they are provoked." Comprende?
I am not saying it is your fault: you are. You are the one who says dogs never attack unless provoked, not me. Chill out, SIS. You seem extremely hostile. Are you taking your meds and attending your therapy sessions?
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Emporian: Are you kidding?!! Of course drunks kill more people than Pit Bulls. That's why it is ILLEGAL to drive while drunk! Geez!
Posted by emporian (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, but the alcohol used to get them drunk is not. Take away the alcohol and it elminates that possibility. Same thing that you want with pitbulls, take away a breed and you "eliminate" the problem.
There are lots of things you people could be chasing that cause alot more harm than the dogs. Your truck could be a ticking timebomb, and its a proven fact that truck/suv accidents cause alot more damage than standard passenger cars, so why not get them off the road because their size and makeup make them more dangerous for passenger cars and pedestrians.
Posted by MelissaE (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bj: It's clear that you're fanatical about this subject.
You can't discuss anything with a fanatic.
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Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Melissa, my dear: me thinks you are calling the wrong kettle black. I am sparring with the fanatics. I am just trying to launch a voice of reason in a sea of idiocy. And what are you doing on here; other than pre-judging people, launching personal attacks, and offering nothing of significance?
Posted by KUtriSIS (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BJnemp: clearly you are not understanding whatsoever. So your telling me that when this dog runs up and down my fence line tormenting my dog, that my dog is the one in the wrong for barking AFTER the other dog has provoked him to bark. Dear that may be provoking but that provoking your tyring to say i'm "blaming myself" on, well, anyone could tell that the other dog is doing the provoking. He is the one that can leave and not run up and down my fence but yet he is still tormenting until animal control shows up.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pit Bull owners are the fanatics. The rest of us only want protection from these animals.
Bringing in another issues like drunk drivers only diverts the matter at hand. You drink and drive....YOU PAY....you own a Pit Bull that attacks or kills, YOU SHOULD PAY!! You own any dog that attacks YOU SHOULD PAY.
Why is that so hard to comprehend???
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KUtriSIS: I tried to explain my meaning in terms a 6 year-old would understand, yet you don't seem to understand. Even I, a career communicator and educator, am not able to reach everyone. Read what I wrote six or eight more times and maybe it wil finally sink in. Good luck.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 23, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BJ, it is futile to try to get him to GET IT. Use your energy for better things like buying a stun gun and pepper spray to try to protect yourself when his pit bull attacks you. Hope he has insurance.
Posted by stevenlk (anonymous) on May 24, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 24, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Fight for safety in our community. If you fail to protect yourself and others you should pay for it big time.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 12:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Give it up, Stevenik. You can't convince us that Charlie Manson is a misunderstood nice guy, either. As for the videos you keep pushing on us, forget it. I could produce a video tomorrow on how dangerous kittens are and post it on Youtube or Myspace, but that doesn't make it true. Pit Bulls are loose cannon killers and shouldn't be allowed in populated areas. That should apply to Pit Bull owners, too.
Posted by wyse_guy (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Holy heck bj you and hottopic are attacking everybody in here ..I bet Helen keller owned guns maybe even a tank .You sound like the kind of a guy that hides behind your wifes dress looking around her.You two need to get out more offen you sound like your opinions are the only ones that matter.In all reality nobody cares what u think you both come on here and make horses a**** outa yourselves.But oh i see you two are always right because you are a highly edumacated person. If they ban the breed they should also have to do dna test to make SURE they know what kind of dog it is. Have you 2 taken the test on the myspace link? If not maybe you should try and edumacate yourselves.
Posted by wyse_guy (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
by BJ - That's why it is ILLEGAL to drive while drunk! Geez!
For your information it is againts the law to drink and drive period.
When did the law change to it is ILLEGAL to drive while drunk! Have another drink Bj sounds like you could use one to calm yourself.
Posted by justthefacts (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This issue, in my opinion of this "discussion" is a symptom of a much larger problem in this community. Everyone seems to be more in it for themselves all the time rather than looking at the bigger community picture. Seems like better communication between neighbors and community members should be able to fix most issues. Using the legal system should be the last resort. Having law enforcement officials be dog cops and forget about drugs, assaults, and other serious issues is a bit out of reality don't you think? Don't tax anything but provide me all the services I want but be damned with everybody else. And the minute someone has the nerve to question an opinion, they are a fanatic and things get insulting. Kind of reminds me of a bunch of 4th graders on a playground (my forgiveness to the insult to 4th Graders).
How about being realistic about our resources. Part of why we are in financial trouble is because of knee jerk reactions to isolated incidents instead of trying to plan ahead.
Schools never had to feed kids during summer in the past because neighbors used to help out those less fortunate. If someone's dog got lose, someone called the owner and HELPED him/her get it caught. If a neighbor was noisy, neighbors talked to them about it without threating lawsuits and the cops. If there were neighborhood issues, neighbors talked face to face, not anonymously and worked out most differences. If you think the grass is too tall in the park, go mow it. If your neighbor's grass is too tall, how about finding out if they are not physically able or financially able to mow it before you call the weed cops on them.
Not pointing any fingers here but if these forums are any indication of the dysfunction here on a city-wide basis, this community has bigger problems than dogs, taxes, politicians and the sheriff.
During a weekend of reflection of brave Americans who sacrificed their lives to provides us our freedoms and a standard of living matched by no one, why not consider a little less finger pointing and a lot more one-on-one problem solving and civic responsibility by taking initiative and solving things without invoking martial law, trying to regulate ourselves to death and make this place a safer, more enjoyable and certainly a more civil place to live. I worry what outsiders thinking about relocating here or starting a business here must think of all of us because of the select ravings of a few that mostly have no relationship to fact or reality.
I do take some comfort in the fact that most folks in this community aren't participating here. I would encourage those lurking in the background to stand up and be counted and interject some civil discourse and logic into these conversations.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wyse_guy, my incoherent friend. Read more carefully. Emporian made the statement that driving drunk should be banned. I just replyed and informed him it was already illegal to drive drunk. I don't need a drink, wyse_guy, but you could use a dose of manners.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 25, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not bashing anyone nor trying to force the legal system to choose what kind of issues to take care of. Not everyone has the greatest neighbors to whom these issues can be discussed. The only thing I am trying to accomplish is to get owners of animals to take responsiblity and protect their "neighbors' and their pets and children from injury. If we had a improved animal control department, officers on duty would not have to take these calls. But I guarantee you if a dog attacked and injures or kills someone the EPD would be there, not just animal control. Common sense, just plain common sense. If you choose to have animals, dont chain them up. Build proper fencing, make sure you protect your neighbors. Have the insurance needed to cover any injury and go on in life. I shouldnt have to pay the price for you to have these dogs. Do your part so my family doesnt have to worry about being mauled in our own yard or walking down the street. Common sense......not ignorance. You dont need a college degree to see that our community leaders need to toughen the laws and punish those who are careless dog owners. If my dog came into your yard and attacked you and I walked away without having to pay any damages and my dog came right back home after a 10 day stay at the shelter you would be singing a different tune.
Posted by justthefacts (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You can write all the laws you want. The reality is that without community compliance there never will be enough law enforcement and control people to enforce them. It boils down to citizen responsibility. Waving the flag of doom of what can happen won't fix it. Again it looks again for this to be a bigger problem in this community. Why are you so down on EPD? Seems like education and cooperation will go a lot farther than writing more laws. If the fear of enforcement worked, we would never have anyone violate laws. Again I'm interested in the use if "I" "my" "punish"...most certainly single focused rather than a broader community coalition view. Instead of saying I told you so and beating old news, let's try to find community solutions that everyone can live with. Just because I've been bitten while walking because of loose dogs, I'm not ready to lock everyone up, even if it worked. So long as we allow animals in a city along with people there will be incidents, no matter how many laws you write. We need to stop beating each other up and work together in a more civilized fashion. Emporia isn't the only city with these concerns, what do other cities do? Rather than beating up our city officials, perhaps a positive cooperative venture may be a better avenue in which to go?
Posted by BullySupporter (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is absolutely incredible...this issue is more than just banning a certain breed of dog or animal. Does anybody really think that just banning will fix the problem? Who will enforce it? Animal control and its 2 part time officers? EPD with all the other issues they already deal with? The only thing that will likely happen is that the truly good Pits will loose their lives or make their families move to be able to keep them, which will be forcing people from the community you are trying to build back up, or you will just make the problem worse by forcing the people that will still keep them to keep them cooped up inside and not allow them get their exercise. This is a breed that loves to be outdoors and be active and to be socialized. If you think that a ban is the end all solution...you are blind and ignorant. It will only bring on more problems. Please read at least the first page on this site, it has good info on it you might not have thought about - http://www.stopbsl.com
And in case any are wondering...I do have 2 Pits myself, as well as a new litter about a week old. I am fully aware of the powers and the problems this breed have had to overcome, which is why I never have them off leash when outside and walk them both regularly to keep them as socialized and exercised as possible. I also keep them on a tight leash whenever meeting a new person for them to judge their reaction before allowing open interaction. This breed is a high maintainance breed, but if properly raised and taken care of their are loving loyal companions. I am against a ban for more than several reasons, I am for stronger more stringently enforced laws for all animals, not just pits, all breeds have a potential to cause harm so it is not fair to single out a single breed and just give a smack on the head and a "aww aint that cute" to another breed.
And to Bjnemp...your strong hateful attitude is why everybody is turning all kneejerk on you, I think you need a hug. And FYI, I dont own any assault rifles, but I do have several firearms, a big truck with big tires, and love to be outside with my dogs when ever I can. And I really take offense to the stereotypes and negativity you just throw around like confetti in a parade.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
justthefacts: You say "Emporia isn't the only city with these concerns; what do other cities do?" Well, they ban Pit Bulls. Overland Park has, as has Independence, Springfield, Denver, Chicago, Council Bluffs, the state of Oklahoma, and dozens more cities and counties. There you go. That's what other cities do. As we did with Polio in the 1950s, we eliminate the disease.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bullysupporter: Sorry I hurt your feelings by suggesting that people who own Pit Bulls probably also own lots of guns and big ol' honkin' trucks with huge tires. You just admitted I was right, so why the anger? But I don't have a hateful attitude. I just know how dangerous Pit Bulls are and think people who own them have a screw loose and no respect or regard for safety of others. I know it's "macho" and "cool" to own them, but they are born killers and have no place within city limits. Perhaps on a farm, or in a pet cemetery, would be better.
Posted by BullySupporter (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bjnemp: There you go throwing the stereotypes around again...my therapist tells me I am making good progress at getting my screws back in place and tightened. I am a productive member of this community and run a business here in town. I control my dogs and control where my litters go, as well as I reserve the rights to confiscate any of my dogs that are being mistreated or neglected. I also will be the first to put down any of my dogs that show any aggression. Do some more research, look into the communities that have banned, look to see how many banned breeds are still around as well as look to see who owns them and how they hide them, also look at all the bite and attack stats that are still there and see how little they change and usually go up. Banning is not the solution. Education, Control, and Enforcement and the solution.
I choose to own Pit's because of their loyalty and devotion, just as Ihave also raised Rott's for the same reasons. Pit Bulls are not born killers, they are actually born workhorses bred to not be aggressive towards humans.
And FYI, it will take alot more to hurt my feeling and get me angered than you throwing words around like confetti in your own private little parade. You should take a lesson from hottopics and actually become proactive and try and find a solution to this problem instead of trying to make a small (in the big picture) problem a bigger problem.
Posted by jennienbj (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that any dog can be mean and it does not matter the breed. When I was a little girl, a shnauzer bit me. My parents did not get all mad and have the dog put to sleep or ask for a ban or insurance on the dogs. A few years ago everyone was so scared of what a rotweiler could do if it bit you and how we should ban them. At one poing we thought that dobermans were the meanest and we should ban them. People think chows should be or any large dog. I am a proud owner of two pit bulls and i do not believe by banning them or putting insurance on one type of breed will solve problems. Everyone is so quick to jump on the fact that a pit bull is mean to kill, blah blah blah. What are rotweilers bred for? I am more scared of one of them coming after me. I have been walking my dogs for two years and we take them through different neighboorhoods, to get them familiar with different things. We have had dogs try to attack us more than once. A lot of people let their dogs outside to go to the bathroom without being on a leash or in a fence, that is when problems occur. If you put any dog out to go to the bathroom without a leash, who knows what they will do. I get tired of everyone putting the blame on pit bulls, do me a favor, research everything about the breed before you comment and get all mad. You know the rumor that pitbulls lock their jaws and won't let go. It is not true, pits cannot lock their jaws. I have friends who train their pitbulls to be hunting dogs, does that mean that they will kill every bird, deer, or any other animal it sees? I do not think so. I wish everyone would get off the high horse of the pit bull thing. It is such bull. If people turned in every animal attack, do you think they would all get published. Do you ever see where that those little ankle biters bite people and are destroyed for biting? Do you know that those little things can cause lots of tissue damage in your ankles and legs? Research at what they can do also.
I have had many people ask me to fight my dogs, I tell them know, that is cruelty to animals. If they would tell me their names, I would turn them in and have them arrested. If you know of people fighting dogs or being mean to animals, call the cops or the animal catcher in town. I have been tempted to call the cops on several people, there is a rotweiler in town that is on a 5 foot chain and has no where to go except in that five foot radius, it always tries to go after people when they walk by that house, or a few blocks down there are some sort of german shepard looking things that are on chains inside of a fence that always try to get out and go after people.
Posted by jennienbj (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
to lycomu: Pitbulls came from breeding the bulldog and the terrior together in england. So do you think we should blame enlgand for letting those two dogs getting bred together? I don't think so. I love my pit bulls, do you think all bulldogs are mean or all terriors are mean?
KUtriSis: I can not believe that the city would give that dog back to the owners after attacking your dog three times. That is ridiculous. I do think that dogs can attack just because, I have never provoked a dog when we are walking ours but I have had dogs try to attack us just when we walk by.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay. I am not going to convince you that Pit Bulls are dangerous and you are not going to convince me they aren't. On that we agree. I love dogs. I've always had one, or two. And I've been bitten by dogs. Any dog is capable of biting. They are dogs. That's how they react. But few dogs possess the physical tools to tear flesh & crush bone like Pit Bulls do.
In our area, you have the right to own a dog of that breed but with that right comes the duty to keep the dog secure and unable to hurt a person or other animal. That duty also includes knowing the responsibility and liability of your decision. Understand that if your Pit Bull should attack me, a member of my family, or one of my animals, I will soon own your house, your cars, your savings account, your checking account, your pay check, and will take pleasure in killing your dog. I respect & understand your position. I hope you understand mine.
Posted by BullySupporter (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bjnemp: you obviously can't read and are set out just to run your mouth. Re-read all of what I have wrote, if you see anything I am doing wrong or irresponsible as a Pit Bull owner, please let me know, because I go out of my way to be careful because I do understand the power and respect they deserve. I also said I would be the first to put one of my own dogs down if they showed any negative aggression towards anything, I have never had to do so in the 15 years I have been raising Rott's and Pit's. I will be at any city meeting that comes about and I will state everything I have already stated and more about all the bad reasons to ban a specific breed and all the troubles it will cause as well as I will be a strong supporter of more stringent enforcement of current laws as well as any additional laws that might need to be added to make enforcement easier and/or more costly to those irresponsible owners. This should not be a fight between Pit supporters and would be banners, we should be able to work out with the city a better way of doing things, which would start with not allowing mrs sympathy to dismiss all the tickets before they get to the judge so the city can more accurately see the problem and as well as be able to get better funding for more animal control officers for better enforcement. This obviously won't be an overnight fix, so all parties involved must be patient but diligent, I think if the city sees that there is a better way that wont cost them an arm and a leg or put a strain on the already over strained budget I think they would be more than willing to fix a problem that needs fixing.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My, my, Bully: You're lack of civility and good manners is showing! Why are you launching a low-class personal attack upon me? No where in my last post did I refer to you. I was addressing all contributers as a group. You must harbor some serious paranoia issues... or you know you are wrong. Either way, get some class and grow up.
Posted by BullySupporter (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bjnemp: When you start stating that you will enjoy killing my dog(s) and basically owning me if something does happen is showing what kind of person you are, so who needs to grow up? Your kind are why this country has gone to hell and why people can get rich off spilling coffee on themselves, you make me want to go sweep all the pebbles off my sidewalk in front of my house so as you wont accidentally slip and fall and sue me for you not looking where you were walking. Or let me guess you are one of them accident chasing lawyers that get off on sueing everybody that really had nothing to do with anything?
And I really have no idea where you think I showed a lack of civility and manners, it was not I that stated I would enjoy killing something and owning somebody... I think somebody needs a mirror.
Posted by BullySupporter (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Back on topic though, if somebody hears when there is going to be a city meeting with this issue to be discussed please let us all know so we can get as many people there to be able to get a good active discussion and show support for getting something done.
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on May 26, 2008 at 11:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dog owners should be more responsible and aware of the consequences. Animal Control should be keeping up on those who arent. When they come across the court system they should be prosecuted.
This will continue to be a problem and our pets and families are at risk. If you are a responsible pet owner than you shouldnt have your feathers up in a fluff because it isnt directed at you. Why is it so difficult to ask that of our city crack down on this epidemic??
Pitbull owners come screaming out of the dark like the end is near. Once again, if you are a responsible owner of this breed, great for you, but those who are not put you and me at risk.
Thats why I want a ordinance that states if a dog (not a breed)seriously injures another domestic animal or human without provocation needs to be deemed vicious and the owner to pay up. If a dog,(not a certain breed) kills another domestic animal its deemed vicious.
I want it to state that the dog in question does not go back to the owner until that person goes before the court. Not just held 10 days and given the chance to do it again.
I want the fines to be hefty. If it starts hitting their bank accounts they will take more care to prevent it in the first place or make improvements that it never happens again.
Now why is that so dang unreasonable? Just because it seems to be more Pit Bulls than others? Get it out of your heads its not about Pit Bulls. Its about people who own them.
I want to prevent as many new victims as I can. I dont want our headlines to ever read DOG ATTACKS and KILLS CHILD.
So stop with the BSL crap. Although many cities, states and entire countries have banned breeds. WHY?? Because they did have many headlines with DOG KILLS.......
Support the real matter at hand, okay??
Posted by glarson (Gwen Larson) on May 27, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Time to move back to the news forum, folks:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/ope...
Gwen Larson
Managing Editor