Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on March 3, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What! "The Democratic Party has two good candidates still in the running?" Good grief! I have been a Democrat all my life (60+ years) but wouldn't vote for either Hillary Clinton or Mr. Obama if my life depended on it. Both advocate socialized medicine. Both support increasing taxes of the hard-working and productive to give to the lazy and non-productive. Both favor issuing driver's licenses and other perks to criminals who have illegally invaded a sovereign nation. Neither one places closing our borders as a priority and both favor giving AMNESTY to the 13 to 40 million illegal immigrants currently living in our country. It is the responsibility of the President to protect our nation, not give it away to the citizens of any impoverished corrupt 3rd world nation that decide they want it. I can't believe you support either of those "candidates".

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm just curious, Bj, and not antagonistic. I hope you can answer. What is your strategy for deporting illegal immigrants back to their home countries? Do you also have a plan for sealing the borders and keeping them closed? The fence has already been climbed and ladders have been found. Thanks.

Posted by under_score (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bjnemp, those things that you listed are what the Democratic party stands for. You may want to think about becoming a Republican. I've found that the Democratic party keeps creeping closer and closer to all out socialism. Just look at their "Superdelegates" which are mostly elite members of the party who will ultimately determine close elections.

create, I have a very simple solution that is guaranteed to reduce illegal immigration by 95% and will actually force illegal immigrants back across the border with no fence and no storm troopers necessary. We simply implement a policy of heavily fining companies who employ the illegals. We create a national database that employers have to run existing and new hire employees against. Companies must prove that their employees are legal and resolve any discrepancies with the database. If companies have to pay a larger financial penalty that what they benefit from illegal labor they will no longer hire illegal immigrants. If illegal immigrants cannot find work they will not come to the United States. There will still be those that slip through the cracks but at least we will be doing something to enforce our laws.

Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Create: We have all the plans we need to not only stop the flood of illegal immigrants, but to round them up and send them home; we just don't do it. And by "we" I mean our apathetic, ignorant, self-serving government "leaders". The Democrats want the illegals here for their votes (Spanish-speaking voters traditionally vote 90% Democratic). The Republicans want them here as an unlimited source of cheap labor for their businesses.

You mentioned the criminal hoarde was climbing over the fences on our southern border. What fence? Millions of dollars were designated for building such a fence along the 2000 miles of the border with Mexico. To date, only about 100 miles of that fence has been completed. Our borders are wide open and allowing thousands of people per day to sneak into our country and tons of drugs to come in with them. Completing the fence, as promised by our lawmakers, would curb much of that. Cracking down on the employers of those who illegally enter would do even more to solve the problem.

Some estimate the number of illegal immigrants in our nation at 12 to 13 million. Other very credible sources estimate that number at closer to 40 million. Even at 12 million, at the rate illegals are entering the country every day, and knowing they reproduce at a number 5X greater than US families, and every child they produce automatically becomes a US citizen by law, we have a huge problem. That means that in twenty short years the Spanish-speaking segment of our population will have the power to control every election and every new law passed in our nation. In essence, our nation and heritage will cease to exist.

We can't realistically round up, arrest, and deport every illegal bandito in the country. We can't arrest every drug dealer or pedophile in the country, either; but does that mean we give up and stop trying? We do what we can do, one at a time. We build that fence. We put more armed guards on the border. We punish employers who employ illegals. We give local law enforcement the power and motivation to arrest illegals and notify ICE when they do. And we DON'T vote for politicians who condone criminal behavior by advocating issuance of driver's licenses and amnesty to illegal immigrants.

We have three candidates currently running for President of the United States. All three are pro-amnesty and pro open borders. I wouldn't vote for any of them. We have a big problem in the US, and that spells us, and that's who is going to suffer if we don't stop this madness, and very soon.

Posted by UsayULoveGod (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are in a terrible state now ! Who fault is that ! BUSH !!!!!!!!!!!
by the way he is a Republican .

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bj, the fence I saw is a portion of one that had been in the process of being built. It was on one of the news programs I usually watch like 60 Minutes, and showed where ladders had been hidden nearby.

I agree with you about the size of the problem and I definitely agree that we need to heavily fine employers who hire undocumented workers.

I was a census taker during the 1980 census. Because I speak some Spanish, they assigned me south of 6th. My orders, in case I was to find a large number of people living at one address, were to record a quick head count, nothing more, and to not ask questions. I saw many houses like that. I didn't ask questions. If I had asked questions, who would have helped me?

Both of you have very good ideas. I'm afraid it will take a long time to implement them, but like you say, BJ, we can't stop trying. Thanks for the comeback.

Posted by netloafer (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 5:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw a news segment about a week ago about a portion of fence that's being built near El Paso. One of the problems with it is that they're building it on the property of ranchers and farmers miles from the border on the U.S. side. It's wreaking havoc with the landowners.

One question occurred to me - why not build it in the middle of the river. That may not seem to make much sense, but it's a whole lot better than confiscating land from Americans or making their business enterprises far more difficult to operate.

I also read that the electronic fence that was supposed to up and running already is going to be delayed for three years - technology problems is the reason being given.

It just appears that we're subsidizing stupidity to the Federal government and the D.H.S.

Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The first major problem we must solve is how to convince our lawmakers to admit there IS a problem. Then we need to elect some leaders with the stones to get off the "political correctness" couch and do something about it. My relatives in southern Florida tell me the building boom has displaced a million alligators and made them a menace. Why not relocate about 200,000 of the hungry reptiles to the warm waters of the Rio Grande? The toothy critters would certainly have an ample food supply.

Posted by roger (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I for one am not going to not vote because of differences with the cantidate. I am going to pick the worst situation and vote against it. Considering the last 7 years and what they have done to our country, I am going to vote against Mccain no matter which democratic cantidate wins the nomination. In the meantime I am going to do what I can like talking to my senators and congressmen to encourage them to work on the problem. I believe that I will even contact the presidential cantidate's campaigns and telling them I want them to enforce the law. Yes I'm just one person but enough just one persons speak up we could make a differance. At least if I do everything that I can I earn gripeing rights and can vote against someone the next time around.

Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on March 4, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Roger, Roger! You are dead on, my friend. If 10% of the population wrote or emailed their respective congressmen and senators tomorrow to demand action on immigration, things would change so fast you would feel the impact. "We, the people", have the power to make anything happen under our form of government. All we have to do is act instead of sit on our back sides and hope our sleazeball career politicians have the smarts and guts to it for us. Good for you, Roger.

Posted by under_score (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My god democrats are ignorant. Let's take a look at their talking points.

War on Terror: Their plan: Retreat and lose at all costs. Roughly 30 years after they lost us the Vietnam war with the anti-American behavior they are at it again. This time in the middle east.
Health Care: Their plan: Nationalize Health Care. By requiring that everyone purchase Health Care what do you think that will do to the cost of Health Care? It will drive the cost of health care up or the quality of health care will go down. Take your pick.
Economy: Their plan: Tax the hell out of anyone that makes more than some arbitrary number that they'll pick out of thin air. Hopefully this will drive more business and individuals to leave our country so we're left with only those people who are too lazy or ignorant to succeed.
Change: Their plan: Change, for the sake of change. Whatever that implies.

Bush has been a great president who has done everything he said that he would do, or at least made an attempt. You can go on blaming him for all of the worlds problems if you like but keep it off of my message boards.

At least democrats are becoming more conservative though, they've drifted away from communism during the McArthy era to their present day socialist agenda.

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that more people need to write their congress people -- so easy to do these days with e-mail. But it will take large numbers. Those of us who wrote to Congressman Moran last November around here got little or no results. Three of us I know of received the same "lip service" e-mail just last week that said absolutely nothing. I should have saved it so I could post it here. If I can find it in my trash pile, I'll put it up so you can see an example of "double speak."

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here, I found it. It says nothing. What does staying "engaged in the issue" mean? I had written him the last part of November. Perhaps others who post here and wrote him have received something similar.

"From: Congressman Jerry Moran <jerry.moran@mail.house.gov>
To: *****@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:15:56 PM
Subject: Responding to your message

Dear *******:
My goal in Congress is to make sure Kansans are able to continue to enjoy our way of life. I work to see that we have good jobs, safe streets, and strong schools in our communities. Knowing that you want the best for your town, I understand your concerns and questions about Somalis living in Emporia .
I visited Emporia on November 29 to meet with citizens and learn about issues important to them. The topic of Somali refugees was discussed. A member of my staff was also at the town meeting on November 28 to listen to the concerns members of the community raised. I am fully aware of the health, public assistance and other issues related to Somali refugees and will continue to stay engaged in the issue. Please share with me any other concerns you have. I will do what I can to help Kansans make their communities the best they can be.
I am thankful for the opportunity Kansans have given me to try to make a difference for them in Washington , D.C. Any time you have suggestions how I can do my job better, please let me know.

Very truly yours,

Jerry Moran

My e-mail address is only equipped to send messages. I encourage you to send me a message through my Web site: http://www.jerrymoran.house.gov.

Posted by UsayULoveGod (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bUSH has been a great what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are borrowing Billions to stay afloat and the american dollar is currently worth $.58 against the Euro and we invaded Iraq on a straight out lie and his croonies are making billions off the oil trade and we have people here in EMporia that cannot pay their $300-600 gas bills not to mention those who cannot afford to fill up their car to go to work for a week. Wake UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I could go on and on and on !

Posted by lycomu (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bush junior will go down in history as one of the, if not THE worst President of the Uninted States. He was and continues to be overwhelmed by his position, unable to comprehend the magnitude of the job. Lets not be confused by retoric. The Democrats are not proposing socialized health care. They are, however, promoting AFFORDABLE health care. To equate the Democrats as either communists or socialists shows a great deal of ignorance. The republicans took a large surplus and turned that into the largest deficit in history. All this being said, the time is long since past to fix blame. It is now time to work together to insure the future of America

Posted by under_score (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Usay,

Please don't go on and on. You've already proven your ignorance by repeating the far left marching slogans. I'm sure you think that the terrorist attacks on 9/11 were orchestrated by our government along with the levy's breaking in NO. Faulty intelligence does not constitute a "lie". If you were 100% that Iraq had WMD then you aren't "very bright" at best. I would venture a guess that you are either a Professor in the liberal arts dept. at ESU or work for the gazette but you are more than likely one of the mindless drones that listen to and repeat every idiotic statement that the far left puts out there for you. Why don't you stop watching CNN, stop hating America, and start thinking for yourself.

Posted by roger (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Underscore I don't care to hear you spout Rush's politico babble but you go right ahead. The people who pay attention and think for themselves need a good laugh. Well what the heck, I am not so jaded that I can't still laugh at the ignorance that threatens our country. Go ahead I'll read your posts. Everyone else: I hear Moran has a democratic challenger. Maybe it is time for another change. I have got those kind of letters from my republican reps for years. I'd like to see Brownback gone too. Nancy Boyda is doing very well in washington as far as I am concerned.

Posted by open_eyes (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not saying anything for or against Bush here - just pointing out that a president's legacy is something that takes time to determine, especially if his actions in office have far-reaching ramifications that cannot be determined for years. ALL presidents have those that oppose him hating him during the time he is in office.

Example:

There was a certain president that used his war powers to proclaim a blockade without getting Congressional ok beforehand (which was required, as a blockade is considered an act of war), violated the Constitution to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned over 10,000 suspected enemy sympathizers without trial (including legislators). He even ordered the arrest of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (which was never carried out). Nearly all of his actions were vehemently denounced by the opposition. At his first election as president he received less than 40% of the popular vote. By the end he was extremely unpopular and hated by many. Enough that he was assassinated.

But, today, Abraham Lincoln is viewed as one of our greatest and most beloved presidents.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1100e.asp

Time will tell.

Posted by gabby (anonymous) on March 5, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@open_eyes, How refreshing to read your post. thank you.

Posted by under_score (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

roger, if that is indeed your real name, please humor me with what your opinion of the "ignorance that threathens this country" is. If you can give me some specifics maybe I can educate you to the facts so that you are not so confused.

Posted by roger (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sure Under, in my opinion it is ignorant to continually vote for a certain party just because you were raised that way. It is ignorant to not vote at all because you don't think one vote will count. It is ignorant to continue to blindly support an administration who has screwed up as bad as this one has. It is ignorant to believe that either the left or the right is always right. It is ignorant to blindly follow down a path of financial ruin just because you can't admit that your favorite party has gone wrong.It is ignorant to see that the huge national debt is ok just because it happened under a republican administration fighting the wrong war in the wrong country. Chew on those for a while and if you want more of my opinion just ask. Have a nice day . Roger

Posted by alfalfa (anonymous) on March 6, 2008 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Roger makes a good point(one of many good points in this thread) that we do not hold our elected officials accountable. First of all, if the commies could keep millions of people in their nations against their will for about 40 years, we can keep people out, but there is no real will from the government because big business needs cheap labor. So, nothing happens. If we can put people on the moon, spend about one billion on this election, and go halfway around the world to fight a war in Iraq, we could figure out how to get everyone good healthcare in this nation. We don't, because the politicians know as long as they pretend to try, we aren't going to ask for much more. The first election I can remember was Carter/Ford in 1976. I remember that the middle east was a problem at the time, we needed to decrease our hunger for foreign oil, and lower taxes. Flash forward 32 years and not much has changed other than health care is unaffordable for many. We get mostly lip service from Washington, until the average Joe gets better at raising hell and making life uncomfortable for the political elite, we are going to just have to take it. We get the government we deserve as a whole, because there are so many apathetic people in our nation.

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tre, I'll bet you got the exact same letter from Moran that I did. It was in answer to a letter I wrote him last November with regard to the refugee resettlement issue. I received his answer on Feb. 8. I posted it on this thread, March 5, 9:12 a.m. It's disgusting to write out a carefully thought out letter then get a form letter in return from people who make all kinds of promises when they want your vote.

You know, Moran was in town, or at least nearby, that night we all met in the White auditorium Little Theatre. But did he show up? Hell no, he sent a staff member. Yippee! The next day at the country club town meeting, he didn't answer questions regarding the refugee issue. There's got to be a reason for that.

I'm with you, it will take one of those million man marches to get their attention. But its not impossible. I remember the 60's. Still, it felt good to be a part of that meeting with city officials and others last November.

Alfalfa and roger, right on!

Posted by UsayULoveGod (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a Democrat but which canidate is for the middle class and poverty stricken people here in the USA ! NONE

But I cannot vote for Mcain , it will not happen. He is like John Kerry , he will lose .

Posted by open_eyes (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alfalfa - AMEN!!!!

I think the ONLY way to get a politicians attention, pure and simple, is with your vote. They don't care how many thousands of letters of disapproval they get, as long as they get re-elected. The POWER of the PEOPLE rests in voting the politicians that do NOT represent their wishes out of office. And if the person voted in to replace them also goes against the will of the people, then vote them out. Sooner or later they will get the message that if they want to stay in office, they'd better hold themselves accountable to the people, not the special interest groups. But we don't do that in this country. As alfalfa said, we don't hold them accountable.

Posted by Renegade (anonymous) on March 7, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tre, and Create....I sent an e-mail to Moran too, in October and got a reply (about the same day as you, Create).

Posted by open_eyes (anonymous) on March 13, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone been listening to the recording of the speech or sermon given by the pastor at Obama's church that has been in the news recently?

Posted by create (anonymous) on March 14, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, and I can see why Obama has quickly distanced himself from such a racist diatribe. I hope the feds move to remove that church's non-profit status, and for that matter, any church whose sermons move toward political matters.

Posted by open_eyes (anonymous) on March 14, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He may have denounced what the preacher said, but he certainly hasn't distanced himself from the man. This is the preacher that married him, baptized his two daughters, and is his "spiritual mentor". He's also a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. Doesn't sound all that distanced to me. I've seen alot of criticism leveled at the current Prez about the people he has surrounded himself with, such as Cheney, Rumsfield, etc.... I'm not too impressed here with who Obama surrounds himself with.

I also hope the feds remove the church's non-profit status - I totally agree on that when churches give sermons directly involved with political matters, favoring/disfavoring candidates, etc... Also, go to the church's website. Replace the word "black" with "white" and you would think you were reading a KKK propaganda piece.....