Cornering Concessions
By Joey Berlin
Originally published 09:48 a.m., February 9, 2008
Updated 09:48 a.m., February 9, 2008
Photo by Carly Pearson
Emporia State alum Roberta Shafer watches a Lady Hornets basketball game at White Auditorium while holding a can of iced tea she brought to the game from home.
The concession stands at the Emporia State basketball games don’t offer many of the things Mayor Julie Johnson likes to eat. So Johnson is among a number of ESU fans who do something that’s allowed at William Lindsay White Arena, but not at any other similar venue in the state.
Johnson packs her own food and brings it to games — things like raw carrot and celery sticks, raw cauliflower, apples, oranges and the occasional ham sandwich. The mayor’s gametime snacks are a matter of both health reasons and personal preference.
“I think I’d like to eat healthy,” she said, “but those are foods that I like to eat anyway.”
For next basketball season, city Facilities Manager Ed Rathke wants White Arena to have the same food-and-drink policy — nothing allowed from the outside — as every other arena of its kind in Kansas, such as Bramlage Coliseum in Manhattan or the Hutchinson Sports Arena.
Rathke said the reason for an outside food-and-drink ban would have little to do with concession profits, which he doesn’t expect to increase much as a result. He said it has more to do with installing better security at the arena, where security personnel currently aren’t required to check for weapons or other contraband.
“I feel that this is healthy for our venue,” he said. “... What if (a spectator brought), let’s say, a marijuana brownie. I mean, my God. What is the difference between us and any other venue? Why should we not worry about this? Shouldn’t we have the right to check the bag when they come in? Isn’t there maybe, possibly a handgun in there?
Photo by Carly Pearson
ESU student Eileen Westhues watches the women's basketball game at White Auditorium.
“They do it at a lot of high school games. Not in this community, but they do warn you when you walk through.”
Security guards at White must be licensed by the city of Emporia, or off-duty police or sheriff’s officers can be used. Under the potential policy, ticket-takers would be the initial checkpoint to check for contraband, and any outside food or drink would have to be consumed or disposed of before entering.
For the food-and-drink ban to pass, the city attorney has to write a policy and the city commission, including Johnson, must approve it. When Rathke introduced the ban issue at a city study session last month, one attendee complained that the White concession stands offered nothing she could eat because she has diabetes.
“I think the issue that was raised that we should look at particularly is the people who do have health issues,” Johnson said. “I mean, I don’t necessarily have a health issue. I could eat something from the snack bar or the concession stand once in awhile, and it’s not going to hurt me. But there are people who do have real health issues. Diabetes is one; hypertension may be another.”
Rathke said he has no intention of busting people with legitimate dietary reasons for bringing their own food. He said people who claim they have health reasons for doing so would be taken at their word, and an exception would be made.
Photo by Carly Pearson
Concession prices at White Auditorium will not be affected if the new food policy is implemented.
“If (they say) it’s something that needs to be brought in, they can bring it in,” he said.
Spectators at Thursday night’s ESU men’s and women’s games against Northwest Missouri State who had brought in their own food or drink didn’t express violent opposition to the potential ban.
Eileen Westhues, an Emporia State University student, had stopped at Sonic before Thursday night’s women’s game to get a Diet Vanilla Cherry Coke. A member of the Chi Omega sorority, Westhues said it wouldn’t make much of a difference to her if the city didn’t allow outside food and drink, but she loves having the option because of the usual 5:30 p.m. start time for women’s games.
“I would totally allow it, because honestly, our house that I live in, they serve dinner at 5,” she said. “So that’s not enough time to get dinner and come here.”
Roberta Shafer, an ESU alumnus, attends every game and often brings her own tea to the games, as she did Thursday night. Shafer said she would understand if the city decided to ban outside food and drink and would follow the rules.
“Otherwise, I’d drink water,” she said. “If I couldn’t bring it in, I’d buy the bottled water. But I like drinking tea. It’s not here, so I bring it in.”
Rathke said the ban wouldn’t affect the price of concessions, which include $2.50 for hot dogs, $2.75 for nachos and $2.25 for a 20 oz. soft drink or bottled water.
“I think that if you check out the MIAA, for that matter a lot of other venues, we have one of the best concessions around,” he said. “And they do try to run different menus, whether it be barbecue beef, they have had pizza burgers. We give people a lot of choices. We may have a baked potato night.
“It’s not like we’re limiting them to nachos and hot dogs. They have to seek the concession stand out that’s running these specials; they may have to go to the second floor.”
Rathke believes there’s a fair chance the city commission will be on board with the outside-food ban.
“We’re still a small town in a lot of ways,” he said. “... But also, we shouldn’t hide our heads in the sand and believe that we have the best deal going. We have to be progressive also. And this is one of the ways that we try to stay progressive and safe for our community.”
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Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not sure why this should be enforced now. If there hasnt been previous issues that continue to cause conflict with game watchers let it be. There is such a limit to what they offer there as it is. They may want to bring in a full facility that offers more choices to the fans first before cutting them off. Like they mentioned, many dont have the time for dinner before these games and grab a snack and go.
Posted by smith_ron (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I gotta agree with hottopics. Has there been a problem in the past? Why the sudden concern? Marijuana brownies?...hold on...flashback.
Posted by Mypoint (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I wouldn’t mind this so much if they came right out and said that they wanted to make more money during the games. That is totally understandable; they have to be profitable to continue to operate. But to say they are concerned about marijuana brownies making it into the auditorium. Who really believes that this is really about a brownie making it into the auditorium. What this is really about are the dollars that don’t make it into the auditorium. Besides I have seen more obnoxious behavior from the drunks that come out of the second floor watering hole then from anyone that appeared to be having a bad reaction to a brownie.
I will still continue to go to the games regardless of the outcome. But the first time someone tries to search me I think I will have to turn around and leave.
Ed all that I ask is that you don’t pee on my leg and tell me that it is rain. Tell the truth and I think you will be surprised at how the people react.
Posted by Wakeuppeople (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A couple of things:
The Mayor should support safety for the citizens and employees.
They don't just want to make more money I know this man and he is not a liar.
Don't pick on what he said and understand what needs to be done.
We have had it nice for a while and it's time we check in to the new centry.
Finally, this is a preemptive strike for safety.
Posted by dhcc66 (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i see the point to both sides argument. i think from a security standpoint it might be wise to check bags to make sure there are no weapons or illegal items such as alcohol with minors.
it might however be a good thing for the auditorium to review their menus. granted, it's a basketball game..not the KC Chiefs club section, but maybe they could offer some more "health friendly" fare as a concession to those not allowed to bring in their own.
please, lets not fall back on the "if it's not broke, don't try to fix it" thing. this also rings too much of "we'll do it this way because it's the way it's always been done". keep an open mind. I know lots of diabetics and people with various health issues who go to the games and exsist on what is in the concession stands. as for checking the bags...if you have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem...right?
Posted by hottopics (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
By all means, check the bags but still doesnt have much to do with the food factor.
Posted by karmadog (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think a carrot stick is a weapon. Why can't we check for guns and knives and let the produce pass through. Is it an all or nothing? I think we can have security and food options, too. Honestly has there been a problem? I think it's kind of nice that ours is the only arena so family food friendly. Times are just getting tighter and if pb&j means I can buy tickets to the double header ESU games then why force a family to choose between going or not going because of the cost of food?
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"as for checking the bags...if you have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem...right?"
WRONG! This has absolutely nothing to do with security. If they are concerned with pot brownies, guns, stinkbombs, and alcohol, they can and should already be searching for them without tossing in the outside food and drink ban. Who cares what big time coliseums charge, they are prime examples of why I am against this idea. The prices at the stands are rediculously high now, if they get this passed they will be even worse.
Don't be a bunch of mindless sheep people. This is nothing more than one more attempt to chip away at your freedom of choice, and to have an excuse to charge you more at the gate and at the concession window. Perhaps they should have the right to listen in on your cellphone calls too in case you're planning a terroristic attack?
Come on C-stores and restaurants, they are trying to cut you out of the business you enjoy on game nights, are you going to speak out?
Posted by kublue2007 (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have a problem with being checked at the door for weapons or anything else illegal....but your worried about marijuana brownies???? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! When was the last time that happened? I take my two kids to the game, it costs us $17.00 for admission($7.00 for one adult, $5.00 for both kids) We each get a hot dog and a pop, $15.00. Before we sit down, I just spent $32 dollars and your worried about the people who bring in a sandwich or some fruit??? PLEASE!!! Let's remember who we are. Sometimes being different isn't all bad. Frisk us when we come in but if you find a fruit snack or a granola bar....PLEASE...let us support ESU!
Posted by citizenT (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The two issues are unrelated. To say safety hinges on people not being allowed to bring in their own food is insulting. I agree with previous posters. If safety is the issue, get metal detectors and extra security. If profits are an issue, BE HONEST and say you want to increase your ability to bring in more money through consessions!!
Posted by rcakmon (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ed, thanks for the laugh...marijuana brownies! Are you serious? If that did happen the person who ate it would be rather mellow and not cause any danger to others. There must be more to this story.
Posted by roger (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is just a matter of some jerks trying to take a little more of your freedom. They,(the facists), want to control every aspect of your lives.
Posted by create (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sung to the tune of "A Few of My Favorite Things"
Carrots and Triscuits and
Crisp apple slices,
Raisins and craisins and
Brownies au vices,
Brown paper packages sneaked in the gate,
Saves me a few bucks and I can debate
That, it's healthy,
Oh so healthy,
And I'm feeling fine.
Whenever I go to the game I will take
A big bag of stuff divine.
Posted by offc_grl76 (anonymous) on February 9, 2008 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
EVERYONE COMPLAINING ON HERE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT NOT ENOUGH VARIETY----THEY COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!!!
EACH CONCESSION STAND OFFERS A DIFFERENT MEAT PRODUCT/SANDWICH PRODUCT AND THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM.
One concession has a different sandwich item each night, another one offers pizza, french fries and onion rings, another one offers, hot dogs, polish dogs and hamburgers, while the other one offers BBQ sandwiches.
For those people complaining about not being able to eat healthy, there is plenty to choose from other than nachos, candy or pop.
Now to address the article, the statement that TEA is not offered is not correct. Tea is offered in two of the concession stands one upstairs and one downstairs, the other is the Gazette can't even get prices correct. Nachos don't cost 2.75, they are only 2.25.
I happen to enjoy going to the games and seeing what they have to offer to eat for the night, you just have to look and see what is available.
What is wrong with finally joining the rest of the venues in the area??? NOTHING.
Posted by Absolute (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I propose that at the next game at White Auditorium that everyone bring Ed Rathke a brownie.
Posted by PocketAces (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How is this not for the money? Ed, If you want to make more money sell those brownies at your concessions then people will come back for more and spend more cash.
yeah, lets bring brownies to the next game.
Posted by Ziggie (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Ed, step away from the bong.
Posted by methusla (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's an idea, why don't we all boycott and stay away from home games and then lets see how loud they hollar !
After all what could be safer than staying at home and saving the money it would cost you to go to a home game.
I mean after all no-one seems to be worried about going to Wal-Mart and getting shot, blownup or worse, don't be fooled its all about money.
After all they could install walkthru metal detectors at every entrance along with bomb sniffing dogs. Nowadays its as easy to conceal a bomb as it is a gun.
Greed reigns supreme in Emporia.
Posted by ej (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You want to be big time like all the other Coliseums.Than do it.But do something with William Lindsay White Arena besides just basketball.Hold events like concerts, comedy like other venues.Also Lower your prices for concession also maybe people would spend there money there.Then I might get a coke there if it was A 1.50 like at a scotty's then 2.50 at white. WAKE UP ED WORRY ABOUT THINGS LIKE WHITE AREA FIRST THEN OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY THAT YOU CAN'T FINISH RIGHT ANY WAY.Get rid of flinthills vending and you as a manager take over the concessions.It might just save some money or make some.
Posted by emporia (anonymous) on February 10, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How about everyone just bringing in all of their food and drinks for all of the games and BOYCOTTING the concession stands? I'm sure we would see what the REAL issue is after that!!!
Posted by sciguy (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This "ban" will do nothing for security. If you want to search for guns, search for guns, but I'm still waiting to hear of the rash of shooting incidents at the auditorium that would lead to a need to check for guns.
As Rathke said, "“If (they say) it’s something that needs to be brought in, they can bring it in."
So the evildoers with evil crackers and deadly carrot sticks will just say "lemme through, it's a medical need," and they're through.
Meanwhile, when the 1970s show up with their pot brownies, they'll just wolf them down outside the arena door. That'll probably boost concession sales...just make sure you have Cheetos and Nachos for sale.
Posted by playbook (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 3:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES GOING ON, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE PLEASE !
Posted by dhcc66 (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hey neighbor...try carrying outside food into a restaurant...
Posted by concernedrelative (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a suggestion that if someone takes in their own food, it's in a clear container or Ziploc so that it can be quickly identified by security. But face it, everybody. Times are not like they used to be. We can't have safety and security only when it's convenient for us.
Posted by emporialifer (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that the two topics are completely unrelated. Security and Food have nothing to do with each other - unless someone is bringing in alcohol and getting drunk and rowdy, but there is already security in place to handle unruly fans. The food issue has more to do with concessions making more money obviously.
On the other hand - I see the point about security. Concernedrelative is right - times are not like they used to be. I'm sure if God forbid something horrible happened at one of the games, then people would be screaming about why our city leaders didn't try to protect us from this happening. In our world today - you can't wait for tragedy to happen before you take the steps to prevent it. It's sad yes, but it only takes one time.
Posted by landofoz (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I never even go to ESU games I mean who would want to go to that game when I could stay home and watch a good team like KU play on tv. Division 1 is about the lowest form of sports I will watch. But yeah they should still allow people to bring their own food and drink in. Heck Ed maybe alot of people would bring the Magic Brownies that would be good for you then they would buy more food and drink from you, have to get rid of the munchies and cottonmouth somehow. :) Also those prices are rediculous just because alot of other arenas rip off their patrons doesn't mean you have to also, make it a reasonable price. And I agree that it should be used for more that B-Ball and volleyball games. Get some freakin' bands here besides for washed up no good bands like Better than Ezra, and Default. But I guess most good bands don't really like playing in a tiny place like Emporia, so that will never happen. We should just keep things the way they are let Andy and Barney patrol the streets and allow people to bring in their own food, it's not like you are the Staples center or anything it is like Division 10 basketball or something like that, I think you will be fine.
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey dhcc66... that makes as much sense as taking your own gas to fill your car when you go to the gas station.
When my family goes to the auditorium to see a ballgame, we are there to watch basketball, not to be fleeced at the concession stands. I realize the obvious choice would be to do without food or drink at the game if I don't like their prices, but often times the games start shortly after my wife and I get off work. We don't have time to stop and eat supper at home before the games start, if we do we end up missing the start of the game and have to sit up high by getting there later. We often make sandwiches or stop and pick something up on the way to eat and drink rather than buying our supper at the arena. Waiting until after the game is not a good option, we prefer to eat several hours before going to bed. I refuse to pay $30.00 there (hotdogs or a sandwich, chips, and drinks for 4 at the concession stands) when I can provide a much healthier meal for $15-$20 at a local restaurant or even less if I bring it from home. We rarely go to the movie theaters for the same reasons. What it costs to take our family of four to a movie, buy a drink and some popcorn for us to enjoy while watching the show, costs more than double than if we wait and buy the DVD release to watch at home as many times as we like. We both have good jobs, but that doesn't mean we have to spend money foolishly.
I'm sorry concernedrelative, but I fail to see what food and drink brought in to be consumed by the person bringing it in has to do with security. I'm quite sure they are seeing reduced sales of concession items and want to eliminate the competition by using the BS security claim to get it done. I could buy the products they sell at the arena from convienence stores, at retail with sales tax included, and still would be able to make a nice profit selling them at their current stand prices. Example; a 20oz bottle of pop can be bought from $1.60-$1.80 at c-stores, the arena gets $2.25 for theirs, a cool .45-.65 cent profit off each drink.
Get realistic on the pricing Mr Rathke, offer some healthier food choices, buy your supplies where you can afford to sell your wares at a price where people will buy them, and then I believe you will see folks return to the stands instead of bringing in their own refreshments.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The majority of people who are against this are just idiotic! If you dealt with what he dealt with you would understand.
IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO YOU, THEN YOU WOULD SAY THAT THEY DID NOT PROTECT YOU.
I sure none of you see the people who are drinking boozes out of the open container they brought in. or the people who get out of hand and have to escorted out.
Go ahead and bring in brownies i am sure they will sell them back to you.
STOP THE NEGATIVITY!!! YOU PEOPLE JUST NEED TO RELAX. WOE IS ME MY RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One other thing, Arty Lauxman is the one in charge of the food selection not Ed Rathke. Get your facts right.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OooooH! A .45 profit now the city can give everyone a raise and solve all of our street problems and stick it to the little man.
When you go to a movie you pay the outrageous prices and still go to the movie.
DO YOU HEAR THAT "WHAN WHAN WHAN WHAN ITS THE WHANBULANCE! YES THIS IS CHILDISH. I JUST THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BRING IT DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL OF COMPREHENSION!!!!!
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's Ardie, not Arty.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Whoop di do!!! you knew who I meant.
Posted by methusla (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What's next people ! I guess it will finally come down to everyone not letting their friends and relatives into our homes without first checking their drinks and food at the door, being searched and walking thru metal detectors, etc.. In case you haven't noticed it, in the last few years Big Brother is taking over our lives along with terrorists instilling fear with just the threat of an attack, which is exactly their plan in the first place.
Yes I agree the world is different today, but only because of the power, greed and fear mentality that is prevailant in todays world.
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just following your request to use facts and bringing it down to your reading and spelling comprehension.
"Arty" is not quoted in the article, Ed is. Nothing is going to happen to me by people bringing in their own food and drink. People who smuggle in booze are violating the law and should be dealt with. Security is there for unruly people, people with families who bring in their own food and drink have absolutely nothing to do with that.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These laws should be black and white not grey. who cares how to spell someone's name. I am talking about subject fact not spelling fact. So Zip IT! Mr. Rogers.
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Or what Col Clink? Who is being childish now?
Posted by emporialifer (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have an opinion one way or another on the food issue, but I have to comment on the security factor (and I'm not talking about special brownies).
I'm sorry, but the fear is there because it is a REALITY in our world today. The same people who cry and moan about "big brother" trying to control our lives will probably be the same people who will be crying and moaning when they are personally affected by a horrible act and they will be asking "why didn't the gov't do anything to protect us"? You can't have it both ways. Geez people - security is for a reason. Would you want to get on a plane today if they all of a sudden dropped all security measures?
And don't say it can't/won't happen here. Everyone thinks that, but look at the article about the high school student and the gun here in little ol' Emporia! It can happen anywhere.
Posted by momus (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not so worried about "special" brownies. But, when I attended my particular institution of higher learning, I know brining in outside drinks would have caused problems. Let's just say a coke might have contained something "additional". That something "additional" almost certainly would have lead to problems. I think there is a financial aspect to this proposed policy, but there are also security considerations.
Posted by emporian (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I know people who during things like LCL and Emporia State Games would put something extra curricular in their drinks. They loved WAW. Go to sonic and get a cherry limeade. Drink have of it and fill it back to the top with vodka. Then just walk in with it.They would be hammered by the time they got done with the games. 1 liter bottles of Dr. Pepper were also popular with them, drink half and fill it back up with a alcohol of their choice. This happens more than most believe I think.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As for you neighbor there are other smarter than you. As for being chlidish that is my point. Evidently this is way over your head.
Posted by Renegade (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree, momus.....about the something "additional" that could be added to cokes, or any drinks......
It would be nice though, if, with the problems of economy, and unemployment in Emporia, we could have reasonablly priced concession stands...
If water must be sold, then, it should be affordable.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I had intentions of avoiding this silly debate but it has sunk to a level too silly to ignore. I moved to Emporia 12 years ago and was shocked to find a public event facility like the auditorium allowing attendees to carry in outside food and beverage. It is unsafe, unwise, and unnecessary. If you want to have a picnic, go to Soden's grove or Jones Park. I have worked in cities in 13 states and have never been to another facility that allowed food and drinks to be carried in. I would be far more apt to attend a program or event at the auditorium if I knew Ma & Pa Kettle weren't bringing in hog jowls and greens, the Clampett's weren't hauling in a jug of Granny's moonshine, or Mouhammed wasn't sneaking in a sack of plastic explosives. The auditorium should never have allowed outside food or drink to be brought in, especially after 9-11. It's time to get wise and get real. Good grief. If eating is more important to you than a sports event, stay home. If you can't go two hours without eating, or that restricted on what you'll eat, perhaps you should avoid large crowds and big buildings. I don't think I have ever agreed with Ed Rathke on anything, but I have to on this one.
Posted by hartford (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree the prices are way to high! It shouldn't cost anymore for what you pay up the street! His cost should be some what similar to what a convenience store has to pay so why not bring down the prices Ed Rathke? For what you charge for a bottle of pop I can buy a 2 liter and a snack at the grocery store,,,,and bring it in with me! And until they tell me I can't do that anymore, I'll continue saving myself money by doing so! If they are truely concerend about safety, then take care of the issue. They should have people being checked and searched like they do when you enter to watch the Royals lose,,,,, I mean play. If you have a bag, they check it!
Posted by Renegade (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BJnemp....Thank you for waiting until this forum sunk to your level.
You made your point, but your remarks were rude and uncalled for. Perhaps you were trying to be funny with your Ma & Pa Kettle, Clampett, remarks
Some of the other posts were a little silly...but yours were just stupid!
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hartford, Ed doesn't set the prices Mr Lauxman does.
Posted by momoftwo (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
On the issue of bringing food & drink into WAW...we attend events at WAW and always stop & get a drink before we go. I think 2.50 for a bottle of pop or water is ridiculous. As far as the food prices go, they really aren't that out of line. Yes, it is still cheaper to run thru McDonalds or Sonic, but the nachos, hot dogs, pizza, popcorn & other food items are very close to what you pay at several of the high schools in the area during a sporting event.
Posted by dj2879 (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Funny, I don't see any of you fine patrons of Wal-Mart complaining about the raping that they are handing you on every item that you buy from them.
Everyone needs to sit back and take a shot of reality. We live in an extreme CAPITALIST society. Do you really think that every restaurant in this town is just selling food for the heck of it? No, they are making a hefty profit from you.
Let's go back to Economics 101. First of all, there are many factors that go into determining the price of an item. Food cost, labor cost, rent, taxes...these just hit the tip of the iceberg.
Second, let's look at the supplier. Five years ago a bottle of Coke cost $1.00 out of any vending machine around. Then Pepsi left town. Suddenly, that same bottle of Coke now costs you $1.25-$1.50 out of that vending machine. Let's assume that it costs Coke $.50 to produce that bottle of Coke, they are making more than a 50% margin on that one bottle that you buy out of the machine. Of course, they are not going sell it to a retailer for $.50, they are going to mark it up, so they still get some margin out of it.
Now I ask you, since "New Coke" came out several years ago, has a Coke changed in the past few years? No. So, outside of gas prices to transport, wouldn't it cost literally the same amount of money to produce a bottle of Coke now as it did 5 years ago? Especially considering new technology, etc. all businesses are looking for a more efficient and economic (i.e.-cheaper) way of production. So then really they are just making more money off that same bottle of pop. It's all about supply and demand, baby...they've got you addicted, you demand the pop, they are going to supply it...but they are going to up their price as much as you will allow.
Now, if ya'll break that addiction and start living healthier by not drinking pop, Coke would respond. Either by lowering their price (not likely), enticing you with a "new" product or fancy packaging, or creating a new "healthier alternative" product for you to consume. Whatever happened to drinking water out of a water fountain???? Oh yes, society's not clean enough for that, huh???
Bottom line...accept the fact that you live in a capitalist society....or move to a Socialist one!
Posted by admireed (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A. L. is not locked into this concession thing. If it is a big money maker why not take it over and YOU can have the contract and the "big bucks" or reduce prices to make the fans happy or both.
Posted by morethenenough (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
@Bjnemp
I have to agree with you.........I too coming from other cities am suprised at being allowed to carry in what you would like without any security of any kind.........
AS with other news articles that have been commented on about the fight to keep change out of Emporia.......THIS is one area of change that would help bring safety and awareness. Yes, with that comes inconviences that we have to comply with but also understand......WE are in a day of unsafe TIMES>......even in small towns.......after Columbine and 9-11 ....Long security lines at airports OR going into events can be a inconvience but I would rather know there are precautions being taken to protect the people. THIS is part of change and sadly it is NEEDED!
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GET REAL KSTREBUCHET!! ARE YOU SERIOUS??
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Renegade: I'm so sorry. I didn't realize you were Chief of the Blog Police, nor that you were final authority on what is or is not "rude and uncalled for" or "stupid" comments. I also assumed you would know that Ma and Pa Kettle and The Clampetts are fictional characters whose mention was merely intended to add some levity to my comments. I had no idea you would take personal offense to the mention of fictional hillbillys. Must have hit a nerve there? I've learned a valuable lesson: print anything in the Gazette blog that Renegade doesn't approve of and you'll risk vicious personal verbal attack. It appears free speech isn't free if Renegade is on the job.
Posted by Hillbilly (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hillbilly enjoyed your blog Bjnemp, but hell. I still enjoy watch them on the old tv, must be a lot of hillbilly in me,,,,,,have a great day and will now wait for the negative or rude comments
Posted by boomer46 (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bjnep...No negative or rude comment from me, that was the funniest comment I've read from anyone in a very long time - you made my day! I'm still laughing!
Posted by Renegade (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well then, I take back my remarks, Bjnep.
Apparently, I am the only one that thought your post was rude...I've re-read it with a different attitude.
I guess I haven't lived in Emporia long enough to understand jokes of the lifestyle, or people... :-)
I might have taken that one too personally...although, I don't even go to the events that you are referring to.
I do believe that it's a time for security though. Everywhere! Whether it is inconvenient, or not.
Posted by Bjnemp (anonymous) on February 12, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you, Renegade. You too Hillbilly and Boomer. We're all on the same team. Let's save our best shots for the less enlightened and informed bloggers who need a dose of reality and good old fashioned political incorrectness. With our combined brain power we could save not only Emporia, but our battered and bruised nation as well.
Posted by neighbor (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 6:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Someone keeps stating that Rathke and or Lauxman have to endure alot of problems over concessions, please explain what that has to do with people bringing in their own snacks and drinks. I'm sure they have the same experience that other business managers have to deal with 365 days a year, instead of a handful of times a year during sporting events. I'm sure they have to deal with distributors, health inspections(maybe not)and a bunch of complaints about the prices they charge, just like other retailers do everyday of the year.
Perhaps trash is an issue. There are those that can't seem to understand the reason trashcans are available at the exits, is for them to use them rather than throwing their trash on the floor. I've seen rich, poor, and holier than thou types, that throw trash on the floor because "it's someone else's job to clean up". I've actually been told that when I've asked slobs to use the garbage can rather than the floor. Slobs will continue to be slobs whether they bring in their own food or buy from the concession stands.
Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 8:17 a.m.
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Posted by gabby (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this blog is the best of them all. All this,over whether or not to have security, and concession stands, in crowded events?
EMPORIA this is 2008. We live in a dangerous world now! THAT, my friends, is the reality. There are crazy people everywhere now. READ the forums, if you need proof.
We don't just need protection form marijuana brownies anymore.
Concession stands are a rip off! but I think they do go hand in hand with security. (at special events). That goes for you too Mrs. Mayor - no sneaking in that rabbit food!
Don't yell at me, but has anyone thought about starting the games a little later, so people have time to eat first? Silly idea-huh?
Posted by emporialifer (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hahaha - gabby - your comment about crazy people being everywhere and if we need proof just read the forums cracked me up! It's actually a good point.
Posted by momoftwo (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
@kstr -No One, Reguardless of any ban on food or drink is going to be checking everybodies pockets and purses for food, it just will not happen.
How many other arenas have you been to? We've been to professional, college & high school sporting events as well as entertainment events at larger venues where the door &/or security personnel DO & WILL check purses & bags & ask patrons to empty pockets. They are not only checking to see if you're bringing in food/drink, but also checking for any type of weapon, etc... For those that have nothing to hide, it really shouldn't be a big deal. I personally appreciate the added security measures. Re: concession prices: Anyone who attends events like the ones mentioned above know before they go that if they patronize the concession stands, the prices are going to be high. As far as WAW - my only complaint with concessions there (as I stated earlier) is that the drink prices do seem to be WAY out of line.
Posted by gabby (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks emporialifer- although I think I have to include myself in that group now.
@momoftwo:
well said! If you have nothing to hide why do you even care? A few extra minutes to get into an event, is a small price to pay if there is someone trying to get in with a weapon. I know I feel a little better when I see them checking bags, and asking people to empty pockets. I hope it's not a false sense of security.
I don't care what they decide about food and drinks, except water. I was at an event once and a lady passed out because she needed water. She didn't have the money to buy it, and it was almost $3.00 a bottle, and no one was allowed to bring it in. Dehydration happens fast, and without the fancy packaging-how much does water really cost?
Posted by emporian (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Did I miss something or are the water fountains gone? They are free you know. I think it is foolish to buy bottled water anyway with the good water that comes from the tap.
Posted by gabby (anonymous) on February 13, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree, emporian, I wasn't aware of the water fountains.
It was meant to be a comment on how I feel about anyone selling water at special events---water fountains or not.
Posted by glarson (Gwen Larson) on February 13, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's time to close this discussion and move it to its own forum:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/ope...
Gwen Larson
Managing Editor