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‘Quiet zone’ on back burner for the city

Originally published 01:35 p.m., February 7, 2008
Updated 01:35 p.m., February 7, 2008

Every summer Fremont Park features an unintentional, unfortunate battle of two conductors: The one directing the traditional music of the Emporia Municipal Band, and the one leading the chugging, choo-chooing, intrusive backbeat of passing trains.

During the band’s concerts on Thursday nights during June and July, it’s not uncommon for train conductors to sound their horns as the trains thunder down the tracks at East 3rd Avenue and Union Street, just south of the park. The noise doesn’t hinder director Gary McCarty from hearing and conducting the band. For the audience, it’s a different matter. McCarty has heard a number of complaints in the 13 years he’s been director.

“The train traffic’s picked up so much in the last couple of years,” he said. “I’ve counted as many as nine trains going through during our one-hour concert, and sometimes two at once.”

If the city of Emporia follows through on talks to pursue a railroad “quiet zone” on the Santa Fe rail line’s Seattle Subdivision Corridor, homeowners and music lovers living and listening along the corridor might eventually find more auditory peace. The state could potentially donate funds to close some railroad crossings, meaning the city could cut the project cost from about $1.5 million to $876,500. Burlington Northern might also eventually agree to donate money to the cause, lowering the city’s price tag even more.

But with the city now trying to figure out how the Tyson plant layoffs will affect city funds, the quiet zone situation is one of a number of issues now considered a lower priority.

“Because I’d be reluctant to have a series of neighborhood meetings only to find out we’re not going to move ahead in the next year or whatever due to financial reasons,” City Manager Matt Zimmerman said. “So it’s been temporarily put on hold till we figure out where we stand financially and what projects we want to move ahead with.”

The potential quiet zone plan, discussed at the city’s Jan. 23 work session, includes the closing of crossings at Peyton, Sylvan, Cottonwood, Union, Market and Constitution streets. Medians would be installed at the crossings at Weaver, East, Exchange, and Commercial streets.

The state often puts up money for closing railroad crossings at a cost of up to $150,000 per crossing. If it supplies that amount for each planned closing, that would slice $900,000 off the city’s cost.

Zimmerman said the city has been working in the Building Futures program to address quality-of-life issues such as noise pollution. Tim Mohn is one resident of the neighborhood near Fremont Park who hates the constant noise provided by the train whistles. He said during the summer, if he has the windows open at his home at 427 Union, it’s difficult to even have a conversation when the train is going by. Some of the conductors, he said, lay on the whistle for an extended period.

“I may be reading too much into it, but there was one just yesterday that came by that did not let off his (whistle) — I should have timed it, but I would guess that it was close to three minutes or so,” he said. “Boy, that whistle just — nonstop — just blew. ... It was ridiculous, to the point where I was getting angry.”

However, Mohn isn’t a fan of the idea of closing crossings or spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on implementing a quiet zone. He believes the conductors could make things a lot more quiet by just scaling back the whistle-blowing.

“It seems like we could talk to the railroad and say, ‘Look, they don’t need to be blowing their whistles like this, this is ridiculous,’” he said. “A couple toots right before each intersection would suffice.”

Steve Forsberg, a spokesperson for Burlington Northern, said conductors are required by federal law to blow their horn for 15-20 seconds for each public crossing they’re approaching. He said the problem with that law arises when a train approaches a number of crossings that are a short distance away from each other.

“A train traveling at 45 mph or faster has to begin blowing the horn a quarter-mile in front of the crossing in order to hit that 15-20 second requirement,” he said. “So when you have crossings that are less than a quarter-mile apart, the train sequence will no sooner be completed for one crossing than they have to begin blowing for the next.

“So that often leads to perceptions on the part of the public that the train crew is blowing excessively, when really what they’re doing is complying with the federal regulation.”

Forsberg said there is a consensus between state departments of transportation and the federal government that there are too many crossings in the U.S. He said BNSF often offers communities financial incentive to close crossings, which is usually dependent on how many will be closed.

With the quiet zone on the city’s back burner, there have been no recent discussions between the city and BNSF about additional funding.

“I think we’ve come up with really good plan,” Zimmerman said. “Now, it’s just a matter of finding out what the cost would be (to the city) and finding a way to fund it. Even if Burlington Northern paid half, you’d still be looking at a $450,000 cost to the city. And I’m not sure where we’re to stand, but I’m not sure we’re going to have an extra $450,000 sitting around this year, at least.”

A study last year by Railroad Controls Limited provided the original cost estimate. Representatives from the city, the Kansas Department of Transportation and BNSF later participated in an on-site walk-through of the corridor.

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Posted by madpoet (anonymous) on February 7, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think WAY more research needs to be done of cost etc before this is even considered. The money could be better spent elsewhere right now. You buy a home by the tracks you should know it'll be noisy.

Posted by ks1dolfan (anonymous) on February 7, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to live in Salina several years ago and they have signs at several crossings where no train whistles are blown between 10pm and 6am. Is that a possibility here also, or is that something that is no longer done? It would solve most of the problem at night anyways.

Posted by kerpow66801 (anonymous) on February 8, 2008 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Definately more important things to worry about as far as money. If they don't like the noise there put a gazebo in a different park. The trains sound their horns for safety purposes. Think about complaining about the noise when a 5yo is getting scraped off the front a train. I live right next to the tracks I knew I would hear trains. Seems silly to spend SO much money for something so obvious. STOP SPENDING MONEY ON DUMB SH#T!! Seriously.

Posted by CAFEmporia (anonymous) on February 8, 2008 at 2:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is not dumb "sh#t". The noise from the trains going through town does not affect just the people living by the tracks, it affects everybody in town and makes the town a less desirable place to live. We are presently looking for companies to come invest here, to live here. Cutting the noise pollution would help a good deal in making that happen.

Since moving here 30 years ago, I sustained a head injury which makes me super sensitive to noise. The trains are horrendous at times and I live over by the I-35 bypass. I am not the only one in town affected in this way, either.

The costs are considerable but could be shared by the railroad, the State, and the city. I think it would be worthwhile.

Posted by 77flint (anonymous) on February 8, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not the most important issue right now.

Posted by olddog (anonymous) on February 8, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Emporia wouldnt be the same if we couldnt hear the trains. If you dont like the noise they make then MOVE!! I agree that at times the train engineer goes overboard blowing the horn but I think it also depends on who the engineer is and whether he does it just to be annoying because he can. I have lived within a block of the trains and learned to live with it. There is a solution for all of those who despise the sound of a train. If you dont want to live in a city with TRAINS then MOVE they are always going to blow a horn for safety! I agree stop spending money on stupid Sh#t!!!!! It is dumb Sh#t! Why purchase a house near a train if all you're going to do is complain about DUMB Sh#t!

Posted by 09071976 (anonymous) on February 8, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with you all the way CAFEmporia. If money is going to be spent, do it so that it makes Emporia attractive to business. Though I doubt that the sound of trains will influence those kinds of decisions much.

Posted by kerpow66801 (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 5:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@CAFEemporia. Really? Not trying to be argumentative buy come on! There are different and far more beneficial things to consider. Think about it.... What would the slogan for our town be? "Welcome to Emporia! Home of shiny lamp posts big pointless clocks umm a wal-mart" Why not invest that money to expand our tiny museum? Add a year round youth activity center? I highly doubt the sound of trains will keep a company from building here. But that is just my opinion. Sorry to hear about your head injury by the way. Glad you pulled through.

Posted by momus (anonymous) on February 11, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not sure if we could now justify the cost for this project, given our current economic situation. However, I think noise pollution is a definate development issue. Some Kansas communities have gone so far as to bypass their existing track network around their communities to alleviate the problem. I don't think that would work in Emporia, but I think we need to realize that eventually we may have to do something in an attempt to dampen noise. Not only is the excess noise annoying, but the sound waves and vibration generated can, over time, lead to structural problems that hinder development. For example, last year I was in Ottawa and saw a building completly without a facade next to the bridge crossing the river. I asked one of my buddies what happend, and he told me that the sound waves and vibrations generated by all the heavy trucks had, over time, weakend the facade to the point of collapse. I would hate to see something like that occur to the antique mall, or Muck's kitchen supplies. Not to mention the fact that a fix could spur some additional development that may decrease my tax burden.

I know that we can't do anything about the noise right now, but it would be nice to keep this project in mind for the future.

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