Guessler (anonymous) says...

Why this doesn't surprise me? Maybe I'm know commissioners don't listen to the people. Shame on them!

January 5, 2012 at 11:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Guessler,

Are you a registered voter?

If so would you sign a petition to bring this to the voters?

Any one else?

January 5, 2012 at 11:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

93shocarguy (anonymous) says...

I am a registered voter and would GLADLY sign a petition to bring this to voters. I would also love to see a petition to get Walters the hell outta there!!!

January 5, 2012 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

well that's 2 of us. Anyone else?

January 5, 2012 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

I'd sign it. As I understood it at the meeting Marc Goodman would have to approve the language of any petition. I think that means the petition would have to be very carefully worded.

January 5, 2012 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Where will the petition be and you damn betcha I will sign a petition and even join a public demonstration in front of the Court House ( Taj Mahal ) if need be .

Constitution/Bill of Rights ? What the hell are those ? Do they mean anything anymore ? Must be some sort of scrap material, to be used for starting a camp fire or a revolt !!!

And people wonder why more people don' t attend City or County Commission meetings !
It makes no difference whether the public/taxpayers attend and say anything or not . Fact is, decisions by both Commissions' are/were made , behind closed doors, with certain people, long before any public notification, meeting/input/discussion or debate !!

Another fact of how our City/Lyon County Commissions operate/do things is, they only listen and do what they and their " Elite " friends want them to do, not what the majority of the people want or need them to do .
These commissioners say that they are representatives of " All the people " ! Fact is, nothing could be further from the truth ! The " People " they listen to and do their bidding are the " Few People ", not " All of the people " !

The " Unlimited Taxing Authority " that was approved, may just be the " Swan Song " of Emporia and Lyon County !!

How many businesses/industries, etc. are going to be willing to locate in an area/city when, after their 10 year tax abatement sunsets, they are going to be looking at ever increasing property/sales and " rearend " taxes " ?

I think every taxpayer should send the City/County/State and Fed a " Butt rape tax statement/bill " every time they raise/increase a tax on the taxpayers, without the consent/vote of all of the citizen taxpayers !!

January 5, 2012 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

" READ MY LIPS, NO NEW/INCREASED TAXES OF ANY KIND " !!

January 5, 2012 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ClassicNotOld (anonymous) says...

I'd sign it Steve!!!

January 5, 2012 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

scarlett01_98 (anonymous) says...

i'll sign it steve! just tell me when.... and where

January 5, 2012 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

doubt_it (anonymous) says...

Hell, I'll sign it. This is just what I expected would happen. Why would they listen to the taxpayers? Just let me know when and where to sign, I'll be there.

January 5, 2012 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Do you have the petition prepared yet, Steve? Is it down at your place? I'll sign.

January 5, 2012 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tourguide (anonymous) says...

wish I was registered in town, I just moved here.. Good luck..

January 5, 2012 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

93shocarguy (anonymous) says...

Does anyone know? Has Walters or Martin voted NO on ANYTHING since they've been in office that involves spending or increasing taxes? Hell, I'm going to see about having the Lyon County Taxpayers subsidize me. 1/2 cent tax to help my standard of living. Maybe we should all petition for this. They vote against the wishes of the peple and do whatever they want anyway. Thanks Briggs for voting against this ! ! !

January 5, 2012 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Guessler (anonymous) says...

Steve: I'm registered and I'll gladly sign.

January 5, 2012 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

chalkrocks (anonymous) says...

I'll sign.

I am curious as to why they think this is a good idea.

Can someone with knowledge of the whole issue enlighten me? I don't know what the pros and cons are however, I believe that if it gives someone unlimited taxing authority that the public should vote on it....not just 3 people.

January 5, 2012 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sail (anonymous) says...

""LET THEM EAT CAKE""....,,.,.,.,.,.its recall time.............

January 5, 2012 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Chalkrocks

I don't have a lot of knowledge about it, but enough to let you what I think they may have been thinking.

A couple of years ago the extension office tried to do the same consolidation - with Coffey county. Their rationale was that they were trying to develop an economy of scale. The proposal was anything but an economy of scale. It was actually nothing more than an attempt to develop a bureaucracy and extend its tentacles. Everyone knew that so they pulled the proposal.

I suspect in the time since then they've been currying political favor to get what logic and good sense said wasn't necessary. They did quite well with the help of Mr. Martin and Ms. Walters. Mr. Martin gave some convoluted explanation for his support (I like the service and I use it a lot). Ms. Walters said she just thought it was a good idea, even though she acknowledged that a majority of her constituents were against it.

That's it in a nutshell. Small town politics.

January 5, 2012 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Lots of rules and regulations on these petitions. Nothing decided yet and we would have to make sure of the wording, You are correct, netloafer, Goodman would have to approve it.

There is also a cost issue of an election. Would it have to be a special election? Or could the question appear on a regularly schedueled election?

I know my physical abilities would keep me from getting all the signatures myself. There would have to be some others willing to help out.

January 5, 2012 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

So in other words, one member of the board, Martin, uses the services a lot (of course, he's a farmer) so it's a good idea for all taxpayers in the county even those of us who don't use their services? I admit, I have used their services too, but not enough to agree to this kind of open taxation of the entire county.

Then the other member, Teresa Walters, whose constituents VOTED HER INTO OFFICE, paid no attention to what they wanted and voted yes because she thought it was a "good idea" ? What the hell kind of empty-headed female thinking is that?

Oh my gravy!

January 5, 2012 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Create

That was my take on it. I'm sure Martin and Walters would say I'm wrong. But I'm quite good at reading the tea leaves.

January 5, 2012 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I a waiting for a call back to see how many signatures OF REGISTERED VOTERS we would needTO BE SAFE.

TOURGUIDE You can still register, (On Line at:

https://www.kdor.org/voterregistration/

and be able to sign the petition IF we started one up. This would be a county wide election.

January 5, 2012 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve
Marc Goodman called me. He said that it would take approximately 900 good signatures. I figured it would take a thousand to 1200 just to be safe.

January 5, 2012 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

netloafer,

Just got off the Phone with Ms. Vopat. 990 signatures so at least 1200 would be needed. The question, (if a petition is done) would probably go on the Aug. Primary so no special election should be needed. I think there is interest in this, just not sure how many would be willing to get out and do some work on it.

January 5, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

And by the way, I think Rollie and Teresa are up for election this year.

January 5, 2012 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

93shocarguy (anonymous) says...

I would be willing to help in any way possible and I don't think 1200 signatures of Lyon County registered voters would be hard to obtain. Heck, take the petition to Steve's place, the VFW, Legion, and a few other bars in town and I think we could do it fairly easy.

January 5, 2012 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

I'll sign and I'll help.

January 5, 2012 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

The big thing to remember is the 60 day timeline which would end March 17th, (I think). And after the ban petition, I can tell you there is a lot of work involved actually getting REGISTERED voter signatures. We had sheets with 20 signatures and none of them were registered. They would tell s they were registered but they weren't. Embarrassed i guess.

January 5, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve

I talked to Tammy at the courthouse. She said 1200 would be the safe number. I think only 990 are actually required. But all signatures have to be valid - a registered Lyon county voter with a good address.

I'm not sure if someone from the extension office is going to be there when signatures are reviewed. If they are it's gonna' be a donneybrook.

I also got a copy of the agreement the commissioners signed. I think we're going to need an attorney to draft a petition for us based on that agreement.

January 5, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

chalkrocks (anonymous) says...

netloafer--

Sorry can you explain to my what if any pros there are to joining Frontier extension? I don't think I am even clear what an extension office does in the first place.

January 5, 2012 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

On the petititon we worked on we did hire legal help for the wording. Once we started getting signatures on the petitions Dan Slater provided us, (at cost, which we expected) an excel program disc with all registered voters on it so we could check the signatures against the county rolls. It worked out pretty good.

We tried to throw out the bad sheets so Tammys' crew didn't have to deal with them. The sheets had twenty names on them and there were several sheets that no-one on them was registered.

Also the person who is getting the sheet signed has to be a registered voter in Lyon County. and each sheet has to be notarized. but we did it then.

January 5, 2012 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Chalkrocks

There is no benefit to the taxpayers. The only people who stand to benefit from this are the extension offices. They get the power to tax independently with no real accountability to our county commissioners. As things are now the local extension office represents one line item on the county budget and the county commissioners control that. No one ever said it, but I think that the local extension people felt they weren't getting enough money from the county to support their plans. Now, if this gets final approval without our intervention, they can start dreaming champagne dreams at our expense.

January 5, 2012 at 5:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cwalker (anonymous) says...

Tomorrow the Gazette will have a story on how to get the item on the ballot so all people will have a chance to vote on it.

January 5, 2012 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Where is the sheet? Ready to sign!

January 5, 2012 at 6:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I could talk to Randy Heavener, manager of the local Walmart and see if he would be willing to set up a table at the entrance to Walmart and have petitions there, ready to sign !

Almost everyone in Lyon County goes to Walmart.

I know Randy fairly well and he is against any new taxes or increased taxes.

There is also Bluestem, Sutherlands, Courthouse, etc..

Let me know and I will try and talk to Randy about it.

And one thing to remember is, the Extension District will have " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " !!!

January 5, 2012 at 8:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

The number 1 thing to remember about this is -----------------------------

It's not about the extenson office and what they do, It's about the extension office and what they charge the taxpayer.

January 5, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

b3bill (anonymous) says...

Obviously Walters and Martin have NO understanding of the concept of representing their constituents. All three commissioners were told loud and clear to vote against this, many many times.

Now there will have to be all kinds of time spent with the hassle of drafting a petition correctly and getting signatures, and trying to get this on the ballot for vote, all because of these two idiots. Another petition at the same time to put both Walters and Martin up for recall vote would be equally as appropriate.

It simply is not enough to want to screw the taxpayer as before, is it, Walters and Martin? You just advocated UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY!!! Do you even understand what that means, or care????

If this gets finalized, I'm betting we'll see some big huge new building(s) that will just have to be built ASAP, with a whole plethora of new additional staff, cars, equipment, etc. A new expanding empire will be established, and it will need hefty, annually increasing tax levies to support. No problem, just hose the taxpayer for whatever is needed. Why would any taxpayer trust the Frontier District to operate efficiently, closely scrutinize their spending, etc when all they have to do
is just raise the tax levy however much they want?

Shame on you, Lyon County Commissioner Teresa Walters!

Shame on you, Lyon County Commissioner Rollie Martin!

You will both be remembered for your irresponsible votes today.

January 5, 2012 at 9:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sandman (anonymous) says...

Steve,
I would be very glad to sign a petition. My major question is 'WHY"...with Lyon County taxpapers paying the most...how will this be a benefit to us in Lyon County? Why was it so important to rush in joining the Frontier group? Just don't believe there was enough research into joining. I don't feel it is truly the "free taxation", which we have given to some areas without a vote, but WHY is this even needed and how will WE benefit.in Lyon County. Believe that is why we VOTE concerning our commissioners to be our voice. PLEASE tell me WHY and how I, as a taxpayer, will benifit, ALL in FACTS!!!!!!!!!!! Plus have this done BEFORE a vote by said commissioners, then LISTEN to the public you represent.

January 5, 2012 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

If this goes to a election, I sure hope they don't go the same route the city did about the sales tax issue. I don't want to see some glossy brochures mailed out at taxpayer expense, extolling what the extension does. Because the election wouldn't be about that, it would be about the way it's funded.

January 6, 2012 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tourguide (anonymous) says...

Steve, Thanks for the link. Went on line and registered last night. Now Im ready to sign & Help out..

January 6, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

For those who are calling for recall, forget about it.

But I do think those two seats are up in the next election.

Who's going to file?

January 6, 2012 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Thanks, tourguide.

Should know by early next week if there are enough who want this election.

January 6, 2012 at 7:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Is there a sheet yet? Or still being worked on?

January 6, 2012 at 7:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

patience grasshopper.

:>)

Cannot base a petition drive on just the few commentors on here. There needs to be some broad public support for this and I havent heard much, other than on these threads.

January 6, 2012 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

If an attorney is needed to draft the petition, I will be happy to donate some cash toward that end. Just let me know where to mail it or drop it off.

tourguide, so glad you are now a voter. Well done!

January 6, 2012 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Steve, check the vote results on this issue.

January 6, 2012 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

create,

Thanks for the offer. I would be willing to pay for the cost myself. I am in no way running anything here, but taking donations means some bookwork and I'm not sure it's needed (now). My main goal would be to just get it on the ballot and let the people decide. I'm hoping someone like Phil will step up and help get the petiton drafted and reviewed and then we can help by getting signatures. His legs and lungs are in better shape than mine. What do you think Phil?

January 6, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I know the poll looks good, but how many are multiple voters?

January 6, 2012 at 8:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve

I've started doing some of the leg work. I've got a copy of he agreement and am going to contact a lawyer to help in drafting an appeal.

I've had a few people contact me since the meeting yesterday. They are willing to help.

At the meeting Bob Agler voiced his disapproval. I think if we could get him to get support in the business community would be very helpful. I'm going to contact him about that.

You're absolutely right about being sure we've got support. Ms. Walters and Mr. Martin know full well that the appeal process is difficult. They are counting on public apathy. Like all our politicians they decry the fact that less than 20% of registered voters go to the polls, but inwardly they are delighted. It serves their purposes very well.

Our big task is going to be translating the public dislike of this idea to action.

January 6, 2012 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

How about the local media, conducting a " Straw Poll/vote " on the matter and see how many Lyon Countians are in favor of or against the County Commission/commissioners approval of the Frontier District merger and the " Unlimited Taxing Authority " the district will have and would vote on the matter ?

Doesn' t our local mecia outlets perform any " Public Service " now a days ?

And conducting a " Straw Poll/Vote " on this matter would be a great service to the public .

January 6, 2012 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve
I just spoke with Bob Agler. He supports bringing this issue to the voters. He will support the appeal.

Do you still have a copy of the ballot initiative you guys had drafted concerning the smoking ban? If so, I'd like to get a copy so I can sit down with an attorney and compare with the ban's language, etc as a starting point for a draft.

January 6, 2012 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Steve C.,

I, like you, do not have the best " Wheels/legs " in the world , but would be willing to do what I can to help .

And don' t forgett that there a lrge number of non-english speaking , potential, voters in Lyon County and Emporia also . Do these citizens have a good grasp of the consequences of such a County Commission decision ?
Fact is we should not forget the ethnic and cultural diversity of our country, locally and nationwide !

JMO

January 6, 2012 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I have been trying to understand what " Unlimited Taxing Authority " actually means.

As I understand the term, it means that " " The District has taxing authority separate from any other taxing authority, and may, subject to voter approval, issue an unlimited amount of bonds and levy an unlimited rate of tax in payment of such bonds. "

So if I am understanding the meaning of " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " ! If Lyon County merges with the Frontier REDD, which now consists of Franklin, Osage Counties, this would mean that this enlarged Frontier district would have " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " over 3 counties and be able to tax the citizens of all three counties, to pay for bonds/borrowed funds, etc., that any one of the three counties deems necessary !

That is the way I understand this " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " would work. Kinda like a sales tax, that everyone has to pay even if they don' t live in any certain district, but are forced to pay it anyway .

Now if I am right, that doesn' t sound like a fair and equitable tax " Authority " to me, at all .

Did/Do the Commissioners fully understand what " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " means/is ?

If I am wrong, please, tell me or prove me wrong .

JMO

January 6, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Here is the Kansas State statute concerning the taxing authority of a County extension district,

2-620: Extension councils in certain counties; office facilities; tax levy, use of proceeds; protest petition and election. In any county having a population of not less than sixty thousand (60,000) nor more than seventy-five thousand (75,000), the board of county commissioners may levy, for a period not to exceed two years, a tax on all taxable tangible property in such county not in excess of one-quarter (1/4) mill on each dollar of assessed valuation of such property for the purpose of creating and providing a special fund to be used for the purchase of real estate, including any buildings or structures thereon, and to make improvements on such real estate for the purpose of providing office and meeting room facilities for an extension council operating under article 6 of chapter 2 of the Kansas Statutes Annotated and acts amendatory thereof and to pay a portion of the principal and interest on bonds issued under the authority of K.S.A. 12-1774, and amendments thereto, by cities located in the county. No levy shall be made under the provisions of this act until a resolution authorizing the making of such a levy be passed by the board of county commissioners specifying the amount to be raised each year by such levy and published for three successive issues in the official county newspaper within the county, whereupon such a levy may be made unless a petition in opposition to the same, signed by not less than ten percent (10%) of the qualified electors of such county, as determined by the vote for secretary of state in the last preceding election, is filed with the county clerk of such county within thirty (30) days following the last publication of said resolution.
In the event such petition is filed it shall be the duty of the board of county commissioners to submit the question to the voters at an election called for such purpose at the next general election.

January 6, 2012 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Here is the Kansas State statute concerning the expansion of Extension districts.

2-623: Extension districts, establishment or expansion; agreement therefor, terms, prior approval by attorney general; publication of notice of proposed new district or expansion, protest petition and election; district name, powers, personnel and property; governing body, appointment or election and terms of office of first members.

This statute has 9 more sub sections, so here is the site address, if you wish to read more on this statute .

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/C...

January 6, 2012 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Methusla

That 1/4% levy from the county applies only to the establishment costs of this proposed consolidation. That was Rollie Martin's argument. He said this would only cost us $23K. Here's the truth. Once a district is established and the protest period of a vote has been completed and the extension service has won, then they would have the unlimited tax authority. I don't think they're insane so they wouldn't tax to the upper limit, but as with anyone with the power to tax (the old adage - "The power to tax is the power to control"), they will begin to dream the champagne dreams. Small projects would become large. Small expense items would baloon. I think the output in that case would put Lyon county in the place where it's like the frog slowly being boiled. Further, we would have no direct accountability link. Franklin county would become the home district. Any protests would have to go through them.

This isn't just a bad deal, it's a raw deal.

January 6, 2012 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

netloafer,

What with then of the year tax stuff I'm doing I cannot find a copy of the smoking ban petition.

go here for general rules:
http://www.kssos.org/forms/elections/...

I am almost certain that the petition has to be worded like what the question on the ballot will be. That is why Goodman needs to o.k. it

January 6, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

netloafer,

Depending on the lawyer you go with they should be able to fax back and forth with Goodman to get something acceptable for the county. Maybe something simple like;

"Should the Lyon county extension office join the frontier extension district?"

It would be specific to this issue, but would not cover any future effort by the county extesion office.

January 6, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

sorry for my spelling mistakes.

January 6, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Malique (anonymous) says...

Walters helped get rid of public smoking, so I think she deserves a free pass on this one. ☺
>>>----(^_^)---->

January 6, 2012 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sail (anonymous) says...

Netloafer or Steve, im in for support both financial and boots on the ground. Lets get this event on the road.

January 6, 2012 at 11:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I'm not biting, and hope no one else will.

January 6, 2012 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

So I call the police department today to have animal control come out and pick up a stray that has been around for a few hours, they tell me I will have to wait until tomorrow and to just leave it alone and hope it goes away.

What really chaps my ass is that I try to do the humane thing instead of just shooting it, and here were are, cannot even maintain basic services but we can sure give this office a blank check.

I am so fed up with this sh!t!

January 6, 2012 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Malique (anonymous) says...

Aw c'mon Steve! You're no fun! :)

January 6, 2012 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

I think it was waters that said they would abide by the vote. Why didnt they abide by those present when they were told no on this deal?

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January 6, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

I think it was waters that said they would abide by the vote. Why didnt they abide by those present when they were told no on this deal?

January 6, 2012 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

railroadhorn (anonymous) says...

I'm a registered voter and I'll sign so will a few family members.

January 6, 2012 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

It seems to me that there is a serious lack of " Thoughtful Thinkers, Planners and Studiers " on both the City and County Commissions . And plenty of " DO AS I WANT, WISH OR SAY PUPPETS " on both Commissions .

If I sound upset and angry, well it is probably because I am ! It would seem that the only thing, we the taxpayers of Emporia and Lyon County have to look forward to is " paying more taxes " and " Keeping Less of Our Earned Money " for our own personal needs !

Common sense tells me that an " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " also means an " UNLIMITED SPENDING AUTHORITY " ! Think about it

January 7, 2012 at 10:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Sounds to me like we will be paying more than the others and more will be going out to other counties of our money

January 7, 2012 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

I think we should give the RDA and the CVB unlimited taxing authority just to be fair. I can't imagine anything bad coming from that, can you? Rocks for everyone!

Matt

January 7, 2012 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

True Matt everyone deserves Rocks!

January 7, 2012 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I take mine "UP" with extra olives.

January 7, 2012 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Matt,

After some olives this comes to mind.

Would it be legal for you to run for and win a seat for county commissioner and you dad still be the controller?

Just a thought.

January 7, 2012 at 9:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

Steve,

Like I said earlier, I want NO part of what is about to happen to this city! (Hint- it starts with an "F" and ends with "ucking bankruptcy")

Evidently the powers that be want this to happen, what with giving unlimited taxing authority to a completely separate entity, and spending half a million dollars on rocks when the city is $55,000,000 in debt. I seriously believe that there are people in the city government who want to see a total capitulation of the city government so they might take charge of the aftermath. In my mind, that is the only explanation that makes sense any more.

The citizens (including me) of Emporia/ Lyon County should be ashamed for what they allowed to happen.

Matt

P.S.-- Hey Zimmerman, I'm not typing this on a government computer either! If anyone wants to hear a funny story, just ask ;-)

January 10, 2012 at 2:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Story must be about the Zimman sticking his nose where it dont belong

January 10, 2012 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Story time? By all means!

January 10, 2012 at 6:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Emporia is suffering from Rural Flight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_fl...

So, what are you going to do that will alter the ultimate course of history for eTown?

Perhaps it's not the best plan, but this Frontier project (a.k.a. combining forces) seems to be a reasonable approach to the problem. Unless someone else can share a better solution (I've yet to hear even one alternative), then give this one your sincerest consideration, please.

Otherwise, you'll continue to see the community lose population, a skilled workforce and more.

January 15, 2012 at 6:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

How is this going to help? Raise more taxes and more people move from town. Yea real great plan!

January 15, 2012 at 6:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Since there isn't a better option on the table, this could be downtown eTown in the near future. It's your choice. On a side note, this already looks like the teeny-tiny towns that surround eTown, already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pra...

The future is at hand.

January 15, 2012 at 6:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Right just keep taxing and I sure it will look like this. Stil havnt heard how this will help?

January 15, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Taxes, taxes, taxes. You people haven't a very wide vocabulary, do you? Keep your money, and "pray to Jesus" that eTown can stay afloat. Good luck to you!

As I stated in my comment on another page, I'm surprised Governor Brownback is cutting taxes for Kansans. How and why? Kansas already receives $1.12 for every dollar is gives to the Fed. (You all complain about welfare citizens, how is the State of Kansas any different? You ARE a welfare state.) So, if Sam is cutting taxes, are you ALSO going to tell the Fed you don't need your allowance anymore?

January 15, 2012 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Because, if those of you in the poor red-states don't need your taxes (or allowance from us blue-states), we are happy to hear it! PARTY!

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com...

We, in Blue America, are tired of paying for your backward ways! We've got cities, high-speed rail and the best universities in the world to pay for. If you don't appreciate our charity... well, good luck to you! We will void our checks as soon as the banks open! You ungrateful...

January 15, 2012 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Oh man we got another TROLL

January 15, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Troll? Me thinks not. I think you might be a victim of the "fair and balanced" FOX News. Buddy, you need us blue-states more than we need you. We will be more than happy to cut off the allowance. And, we will send to you our best wishes and prayers as the door closes.

January 15, 2012 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Still smell like a TROLL ! Going for some Raid

January 15, 2012 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Leech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech

This is the State of Kansas, and other red-states, on the U.S. economy. http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com...

Please learn to be self-sufficient. The rest of us have!

January 15, 2012 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

booker5m, Would you care to address my debate realistically? You, Kansas, need us, California, to pay for yourselves. Why is that? And, why should we?

For instance: You insist on keeping open schools with less than 20 pupils per classroom (actually, eight or less) in districts with declining enrollment, and to pay each teacher a fare wage. Hmmm, while I'm not a mathematician, I don't see how this is feasible.

As Ricky would say to Lucy, "You have lots of 'splainin to do!"

January 15, 2012 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Come on Richie,

Let me splain it to you.

You should help your homeboys out a little. It takes a village you know?

Actually, the real queston should be why does California or Kansas or any other state have to send money to the feds anyway? Oh it's all those social programs to help those less fortunate.

You have it pretty good out there with all the high falutin doodads and a great climate. What's the temp out there now?

Just think of us as that black sheep cousin on welfare. Why should we work and pay more taxes when our rich cousins out west can do it for us? Sarcasim aside,

What I know is that this government debt and spending is unsustainable and if something substantially doesn't change, and soon, the system will collapse. and oh boy, that will be something to see.

January 15, 2012 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Oh, it's 50 degrees and a little windy here.

January 15, 2012 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Steve, it's below 50 in Northern Cali. We don't wear shorts, here. :) As always, thank you for your words. You didn't used to be so nice. Are you getting old on me?

January 15, 2012 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Old and cranky, I am. But I could not find any fault with your words. We do need to make changes.

January 15, 2012 at 9:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Richie,

I really wasn' t going to comment on your insidious comments, but can' t stand by and let you continue to degrade Kansas, Kansans or Emporia any longer.

And I am not going to be quite as nice as Steve .

1. Please explain why you think the idea of Kansas recievieng $1.12 from the Fed., for every $1.00 Kansas, Kansans give the Fed., has anything to do with Lyon County joing the " Frontier Extension District " ?

2. Why do you, being a " staunch " Californian, think it is any of your business anyway ? Do you pay Kansas, Lyon County, Emporia taxes ?

3. Would you explain how and why California has gotten itself into the situatioin it is now in -- " That of being Broke and on the verge of Bankruptcy " ?

4. And don' t you think that California, and you being a Californian have enough to worry about and comment on in your own " Backyard " ?

6. Do you think that California is going to be able to bail it' s own " Arse " out of its current being " Broke " financial situation, without considerably raising taxes or a " handout " from the Fed., that will be paid for by each and every taxpayer and State in the U.S. ?

And practically everyone, via reporting by the news agencies, knows that California is in " Dire Straits " financially .

I say let each State and its people mind, take care of their own problems and don' t worry about someone elses .

January 15, 2012 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Good Evening Meth,

Let's focus upon your second question to me

"Why do you, being a " staunch " Californian, think it is any of your business anyway ? Do you pay Kansas, Lyon County, Emporia taxes ?"

YES, we do! Therefore, it is OUR business!

Did you not read my posts, meth? Dear bitter and angry person that you are, YOU (Kansas) take $1.12 from the Fed for every dollar you pay in. Hello, welfare state? California receives 78 cents for every dollar it spends. If we didn't have to pay for your backward ways, we would have a balanced budget out here on the Pacific Coast supporting legitimate, progressive and sustainable ideas!

http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com...

That said, we in California want to know when you can let us loose from paying your allowance? Aren't you a bit old to be getting allowance? If you taxes are too high, that isn't our fault. Cut your taxes? Great! But, FIRST, cut your dependency from states who could pay their own way if you were self-sufficient! Talk about milking!

Meth, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

January 15, 2012 at 9:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

As for your third question, Dr. Meth, I'd like to respond.

You asked, without the help of Hooked on Phonics, "Would you explain how and why California has gotten itself into the situatioin it is now in -- " That of being Broke and on the verge of Bankruptcy " ?

Gladly. Please, take notes. I'll wait for you to get paper, pencil, and aptitude.

Please understand, here on the Left Coast, we believe, that for the entire state to excel, we must contribute to the whole. In debt? Hell yes we are! I already posted, earlier, those figures how every Red State is milking from the profitable Blue States. (Hate the facts and figures? Sorry, but my independent figures don't come from FOX or The GOP.) Let's assume for a moment, you no longer required for us in California (whom you already hate for our progressive ways) any means of financial support. Wouldn't you s*** your pants? "AP: California cuts off nation. Kansas cries bloody mercy!"

So, let's do the math, METH! (Don't you want to change your online name, by the way?) No matter your resources (Walter Cronkite would mess himself if you referred to FOX News as a "resource"), you will always find that if California were allowed to keep 90% or more of its tax revenue, we could pay our own way! Sure, perhaps we would overspend (haha, we usually do), but with our fast-paced income growth (as the world's 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th largest independent "nation" - pick a number, any number), we far outreach you! (Where, again, do you place on that international income scale? Oh, that's right, you don't.) So, therefore, we invest in a sustainable infrastructure and don't worry about the expense, nor do we care what you have to say about it! BECAUSE, our economy is strong, thriving and, if we didn't have you milking our "you know what", it would all be paid for! But, hoping you will eventually succeed from the Union, we keep going as business as usual!

So, meth-farm, please remind me again about your rant against California? Personally I think you should be grateful.

January 15, 2012 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

So, meth-farm...

As a former Kansan, but now a proud Californian, I DO have an avid interest in your state's taxation policies. And, my points make it clear. (Google your heart out!) Kansas gets $1.12 from the government, while California gets 78 cents. (Kansans despise welfare recipients, right?) Until that number is even, you can thank me for working hard and paying MY taxes to support you! Now, back to work for me! It's late, but I have more work to do... for you!

Until then, your points are void, meth!

January 15, 2012 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

METH: "I say let each State and its people mind, take care of their own problems and don' t worry about someone elses ."

So, you're saying you/Kansas no longer needs the financial support of California and the blue states? Great! "Hey friends, Kansas is giving back to California enough to pay for the high-speed rail! Woo hoo! PARTY!"

Sorry Meth, you said it. Not me.

January 15, 2012 at 11:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Last, but not least...

My favorite question from meth-farm: "6. Do you think that California is going to be able to bail it' s own " Arse " out of its current being " Broke " financial situation, without considerably raising taxes or a " handout " from the Fed., that will be paid for by each and every taxpayer and State in the U.S. ?"

Again, I think Hooked on Phonics would assist Meth. But, to answer his/her question (such as Pat, from SNL?)...

Already, I've explained all this to you, meth-farm. Bailing ourselves out is not the option we are looking for, rather we are looking for Kansas to become self-sufficient. Repeat after me, "self-sufficient." I know, meth, it's more than two syllables. I guess as the beneficiary to Kansas' welfare state, California should take pride in trying to help the less fortunate. But, when the less fortunate no longer accept the generosity with gratitude, when should the giver cut off the funds?

My father, whom I adore, is a Republican. While I am a Democrat, one of his teachings sustains: take care of yourself! So, Kansas, when are you gonna do that? Come on, my father cut off my allowance when I graduated from high school. Kansas graduated in 1861. Hello?

January 15, 2012 at 11:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Oops/ Messed up the words at this late hour, didn't I? (Last post.) "I guess as the beneficiary to Kansas' welfare state, California should take pride in trying to help the less fortunate. But, when the less fortunate no longer accept the generosity with gratitude, when should the giver cut off the funds?" It should have read "California as the benefactor."

Good night, and good luck! Meth, please take a 'scrip and get some good, well-needed sleep.

January 16, 2012 at 12:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Richie

Although you have the touch of a blacksmith you do bring up some very valid points. Points that will probably elevate the blood pressure of more than a few individuals around here. Perhaps an editorial would be more in order appropriate at this point though.

January 16, 2012 at 5:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Richie,

First of all, my forum user name is " Methusla " , not Meth, Meth- farm, Dr. Meth, it is " METHUSLA " !

Therefore I will show you the same respect, courtesy you show me, Richidiot .

Now, that said, lets do a little math that you are so fond of.

2011 population of California = 35,484,453

2011 population of Kansas = 2,723,507

Which makes the population of California 13.071711 times more than the population of Kansas .

I think we can assume that means that there are approx. 13 times more working U.S. federal taxpayers in California than in Kansas .

Are you saying, Richidiot, you believe that California/Californians should be paying less or the same amount of federal taxes as Kansas/Kansans ?

That makes no sense at all, based on the figures.

Oh, and we Kansans are just as proud of Kansas, as you are of California and we are trying very hard to lessen our own tax burden and change the way our leaders do things . However with States with larger populations than Kansas, being broke and going bankrupt, by their own mismanagement . Therefore getting Kansas's taxes lowered or level may be very hard to do, if the Fed. decides to bail California and others out of the mess they created all by themselves !

So long , I don' t need a scrip, as I sleep as well as I am able .

January 16, 2012 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Yes, simpleton, we have a larger population. It's called "per capita." Refer to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

$$$/population = per capita spending.
$$$(less the $$$ going to pay for Kansas welfare)/population = short end of the stick.

January 16, 2012 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

"However with States with larger populations than Kansas, being broke and going bankrupt, by their own mismanagement . Therefore getting Kansas's taxes lowered or level may be very hard to do, if the Fed. decides to bail California and others out of the mess they created all by themselves !"

That is the most ignorant statement. Period.

Let's paint a picture, okay? I'm your rich uncle. You are my adult nephew. I've been generous, helping to put food on your family table because you are poor. You continue to buy things you don't need; Cheetos, beer and NASCAR tickets. I'm not happy to hear this, so I cut off your access to my checkbook.

YOU have to learn to economize, the hard way. I resume paying the mortgage on the mansion I bought before you began whining that you hadn't any money. All is right in the world.

January 16, 2012 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

I find both your arguments interesting and am willing to read them both. However, the name calling must stop. Richie, you started it by calling methusla "meth" etc. That wasn't necessary. I don't blame him for reciprocting in kind. But really, stop, okay. Ad hominem attacks lessen the impact of your argument.

January 16, 2012 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Let's all take a break, I know I am. Before I lay down for my "old man nap", wanted to let people know that the petitions are being printed and should be ready to go soon. Maybe as early as Friday. for those wanting to exercise their american rights in the political process, stay tuned to these forums.

January 16, 2012 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Here is a bit of imformation for everyone. Especially for Richie.

The largest welfare State in the U.S. is,
you guessed it, " CALIFORNIA " !!!

Nation's largest welfare state makes deep cuts
By SHEILA V KUMAR | Associated Press – Thu, Dec 29, 2011

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Advocates of welfare reform in California often cite one, eye-popping statistic as they have pressed for cuts and changes to the program in recent years: The state has one-eighth of the nation's population but one-third of all welfare recipients.

source,http://news.yahoo.com/nations-largest-welfare-state-makes-deep-cuts-142555180.html

I told you Richie, you need to look in and take care of your own back yard, before degrading and calling anyone else names !!

Makes me proud to be a Kansan, in Kansas and Emporia, Ks .which is quite a ways behind California, in being a welfare State.

January 16, 2012 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

He is just trying to get a stir out of everyone. ignore him

January 16, 2012 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Yeah, I know booker5m, I just can' t tolerate a smart mouth, know it all, who is still wet behind the ears as far as life and experiencing much of life goes.

JMO

January 16, 2012 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Steve,

Can I stop by the bar and sign ?

January 16, 2012 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Waiting on word from netloafer, and we HAVE to wait until at least the 19th before we start. Stay tuned on the forums, he will let us know.

January 16, 2012 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Richie has some valid points, just not a diplomatic way of making them. Kansas is on the take and has been for some time, it is very interesting to me how many government hating red states would be in trouble without Uncle Sam.

January 16, 2012 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I agree goodoleboy, but Richie, must also know that California and most other States have been on the take, but he makes no mention of that fact.

Valid points, maybe, but a smart mouth, know it all attitude and name calling convinces no one !

JMO

January 16, 2012 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Notice neither California nor Kansas is on this list, perhaps the anger should be directed at them first?

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2...

January 16, 2012 at 8:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

And the true fact is, most of the welfare money that Richie is bitching about leaving California is going to and being spent in the number one State on that list, " Nevada " .

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/...

State-issued aid cards have been used at hotels, shops, restaurants, ATMs and other places in 49 other states, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam, according to data obtained by The Times from the California Department of Social Services. Las Vegas drew $11.8 million of the cash benefits, far more than any other destination. The money was accessed from January 2007 through May 2010.

So Richie, needs to direct his mouth and frustrations at Nevada, primarely Las Vegas and those people from California that are spending their welfare in Las Vegas, Nevada .

JMO

January 16, 2012 at 9 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Meth, why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Or, is it that you just don't want to acknowledge the truth (a common symptom amongst regular viewers of FOX News)?

You're deferring from the topic at hand with your left-field posting about welfare recipients in California. That's not the point, but I am open to an intelligent debate on the topic in another forum.

Back on track... When I say Kansas (and other red-states) is a welfare state, it is because you require funding from profitable blue-states like California for your basic needs. Again, refer back to the stats I shared of blue-states receiving from the government less than what they pay in, while it is the exact opposite for red-states. Explain to me why Kansas cannot support itself and requires California to supplement it's funding to stay afloat. Don't! Do not bring back up your null argument that we have a larger population. That is the most laughable excuse, and certainly so mathematically inaccurate in so many ways.

If you want to be fair, then let's make it that every state receives for their contribution to the federal government; 90 cents on the dollar! (I realistically recognize we must continue to pay for the politicians salaries, the military, etc.) That said, California will be getting back much more than it currently does, which is enough for us to pay for our investments (even the welfare recipients). Kansas, on the other hand will have to learn to economize. $1.12 being reduced to 90 cents. How are you going to survive without the federal handout (unjustly milked from blue states)?

January 16, 2012 at 10:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

So you're saying the state that is doing the worst economically is the state that is most dependent on tourism?

Hmmmm.....

Matt

January 16, 2012 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Kind of a left-field comment, Matt. Don't you think? I don't know if "dependent" is the word you want to use. But, in regards to tourism, please let me know when those international flights increase with visitors destined to see the biggest ball of twine.

*fail*

January 16, 2012 at 11:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Richie (anonymous) says...

Wait, wait, wait. Matt, are you saying Topeka, Wichita, a NASCAR track, the Tallgrass Prairie, and the biggest ball of twine are now going to compete with California's Yosemite, Tahoe, Sierra Nevadas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Wine Country, Monterey, San Diego, Palm Springs and the like?

Bwah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Okay, let me know how that works out for you.

Bwah... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

January 16, 2012 at 11:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Clearly you fail at sarcasm, Matt's comment was a jab at the local idiots that think tourism will save Emporia.

January 17, 2012 at 5:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I would like to try and get back to the original argument.

Richie stated;

"Perhaps it's not the best plan, but this Frontier project (a.k.a. combining forces) seems to be a reasonable approach to the problem. Unless someone else can share a better solution ".
I can agree with that statement, because I think that is what we are doing now.
The article was about the commission passing this, right or wrong it passed.

There are some who feel it is not the best use of our tax dollars or resources.

There are some who feel strongly about the unlimited mill levy aspect of this district.

There are some that worry about local control and accountability.

There are even some, (according to the latest unscientific Gazette poll), who feel that we should not fund an extension office at all.

The reason given for the districts is to increase the number of agents in specialized fields to all of the counties in the district.

And yet do these extra specialized agents actually do anything to improve the business, social or standard of living for the people of the districts?

I would counter to Richie that this petition processs will bring forward the discussion of ideas on both sides, Maybe a different solution will be found.

Part of Richie's gripe is his states funding, (through federal tax dollars) of other states operations. He states:

"Kansas, on the other hand will have to learn to economize. $1.12 being reduced to 90 cents. How are you going to survive without the federal handout (unjustly milked from blue states)?"

I would reply to Richie that is exactly what this petition and the resulting vote will do. We are trying to become involved in the American political process, and by doing so if we decrease spending here, maybe that will cut the money from your state that goes to fund other states.

IT IS THE AVERAGE VOTER BECOMING INVOLVED IN THEIR GOVERNMENT.

As someone who now lives in California, (and I think it's a great state), YOU should know that is the way it should be done. Look at your own states history of propositions on your election ballots. That is all we are doing with this petition.

January 17, 2012 at 7:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Richie,

I know not all of those California props were probably not a good idea. But "the people" felt the need for them and that's how our system works.

January 17, 2012 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve

I'm going to ctc county again this morning to arrange for a meeting place. I like your idea of a Saturday a.m. meeting. Will let you know. As soon as we get word will get press releases cooking. We need to move as quickly as possible on that. If I don't hear back we need to consider alternate location. Will be looking into that as well.

Will be making copies of the petition today

I am also going to make copies of voter registration forms for those circulating petition. Will also make copies of your instructions.

Will be setting up a checking acct today for funds as we move further downstream in the persuasion process.

For those interested in signing. We have to wait till Friday to circulate the petition From that point on we'll be firing away on all possible cylinders. Maintain your enthusiasm

January 17, 2012 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

netloafer,

As I said, we can have the meeting at my business, it won't be open in the morning. Although some may be uneasy, meeting in a speakeasy.

January 17, 2012 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve

Got approval a few mins ago to use the county courthouse annext from 11 am to 1 pm.

Have contacted Gazette and KVOE with press releases.

The legwork begins!

January 17, 2012 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

great news! Thanks for all you running around.

January 17, 2012 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Steve

By the way. I doubt that mny people would have a problem with meeting at your business. Youre an honest man and you make an honest living.

January 17, 2012 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

giggles (anonymous) says...

Richie you should explain this away then.

http://247wallst.com/2011/11/28/best-...

Also, I am speculating as it would take a bit of research, but I would fathom that the gov't. subsidies to farmers plays a big part in our price gap between our state and yours. The price of our commodities are in most cases for political purposes for trading worldwide. I personally believe that we don't receive a fair share of the profit for the commodities we produce, but our government seems to want to give it away to other countries, I guess to make us look good. If we could or would levy a tax on the food we produce much like oil rich states like Texas, then we would probably be far less indebted than your state.
JMO

January 17, 2012 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

giggles (anonymous) says...

BTW, I am proud that we made the top ten. I am curious how you feel about yours...

January 17, 2012 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Richie,

You seem to forget the fact, that California also receives 74 cents in " Fed Prop Up money " , which by the way is also funded by Kansas taxpayers, as well as all of the other States taxpayers . Yet you don' t acknowledge that fact, do you.

FYI, 46 out of the 50 U.S. States are broke or going broke including California . How do you think the taxpayers of those 4 or so States that are not broke or going broke feel about " Proping Up " California to the tune of 74 cents per dollar of their taxpayer dollars they pay to the Fed , or the rest of the other 49 States, that are undoubtedly receiving Fed prop money, including Kansas ?

Yet again, you do not think about that, do you ?

Instead, you would rather degrade, insult, disrespect and bad mouth those taxpayers in States, particularly Kansas , who oppose excessive, unnecessary spending, borrowing to spend and our leaders who wish to join an entity that will have " UNLIMITED TAXING AUTHORITY " and relenquish their decision making authority to outsiders, because they just want to pass the " Buck " and not make the really tough decisions !

I have no problem with the points of your argument . Just how you singled out Kansas, especially Emporians and Lyon County and your bad mouthing and insults, lack of courtesy and degrading, disrespectful manor .

It is going to be up to the people of each respective State, County, City to see that their elected leaders reduce spending, to a level that the taxpayers can afford and most of all " Stop " unnecessary " Borrowing " in order to spend unnecessarily, which causes more unnecessary/higher taxation/taxes ! As well as demanding that the Federal Government do the same .

Fact is the U.S. Government' s and consequently the States are in debt/owe others countries, such as 1. China 2. Japan 3.Great Britain/England 4.Brazil 5. Canada 6. Russia 7. Russia 8. Switzerland and others to a lesser extent, most likely more money than the U.S. Government and States will ever be able to pay back . If you wish to thank anyone for propping up the U.S. Government and the States, you will need to thank those countries who have lent the money to do so !
So you see, California and you are not " propping up " Kansas or anyone else for that matter. The foreign countries are !

So, Richie, please let us Kansans, especially those in Emporia, work on trying to solve our own problems and you work on your own state' s financial and other severe problems and stop bitching who is receiving Fed assistance via foreign loans . And remember California is also " Broke " and receiving Fed/Foreign assistance.

Not only my opinion, but the real life world we are living in .

January 17, 2012 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Paccifier (anonymous) says...

Another way we could look at the welfare state comment from Richie (accepting his numbers) is that for every dollar we Kansans send to Washington, we get $1.12 back, and for every dollar California sends they get $0.78 back, so we are getting 12% return on our investment, and California is taking a loss of 22%. So who is the wiser, better represented state?

January 17, 2012 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Oh boy ! Paccifier, I have a feeling that you are about to incur the wrath ow Richie, on how he and other Californians are getting " screwed " by the rest of the States , especially Kansas, via the Fed.

Oh, and yes, your thinking could be another way to look at the welfare state . But, boy oh boy, Richie is going to go into a terminal " Boil " over your thinking, that Kansas is getting a return of 12% on their tax dollar and California is losing 22% on their tax dollar, especially if it is due , as you say, to Kansas being a " Wiser " and better " Represented " State !

Boy, I can hear the fireworks fuses being lit by Richie already !

We used to have our own local " Troll " known as " Henry VIII ", who was pretty much the same as Richie !

Hmmmm, now that I think about it, perhaps Richie is Henry VIII, now living in California !

Naaah, we couldn' t be that fortunate !

January 17, 2012 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Paccifier (anonymous) says...

Just another way of looking at things my friend. As long as I turn the other cheek, his burn will not be to bad. But, I like the idea that we turn in our dollars and get more back in kind. Perhaps we will meet at Steve's to sign the petition and toast our benefactor friend, Richie, in his absence.. After all, listening to him, it is his money we are getting back.

January 17, 2012 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pingeon (anonymous) says...

Paccifier - I was reading this forum and thinking to myself that it sounded like Kansas had smarter representatives. You beat me to it! Awesome comment...

Meth - Although Richie is annoying, I would encourage you to just ignore her and let it go. You are being baited and falling for it hook, line and sinker. If you quit responding, she will eventually go away....

January 17, 2012 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Pingeon you are right responding is what they feed on!

January 17, 2012 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )