Malique (anonymous) says...

"The vehicle cross the fog line several times." What is a fog line? Should it be "crossed" instead of "cross"? I are confused...

Also, it's the PIT maneuver (not "pit"). PIT stands for something like "Pursuit Intercept Tactic" or "Precision Immobilization Technique"... or something like that. It has nothing to do with a BBQ pit, a hole in the ground, or the area under your shoulder/arm. Most acronyms should be capitalized.

October 28, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

marko (anonymous) says...

ah so glad to know 'pit' is an acronym, I was thinking something in the order of NASCAR.

October 28, 2011 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wyankee49 (anonymous) says...

What the hell is the difference it was explained by the Sherriff anyway. Oh by the way the spelling is wrong in this comment was made on purpose. So There.

October 28, 2011 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seeya32 (anonymous) says...

ya otta release the little shits name

October 28, 2011 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

BigRed (anonymous) says...

The fog line is the white line on the edge of the road. I'm 48 years old and only learned it about a month ago.

October 28, 2011 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

EmporiaRocks (anonymous) says...

Try her as an adult!

October 28, 2011 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tourguide (anonymous) says...

Most Truckers know about the " fog line". When foggy most of the 4 wheelers( autos) get scarred and drive slow in the right lane. Alot of truckers will take the left lane and drive like hell. Same thing on ice, listen for the rumble strip. THIS IS NOT SAFE or WISE ! Yea I have done it ,but have been lucky the last 6 million miles (43yrs.) as far as this child- NO comment...

October 28, 2011 at 3:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

madpoet (anonymous) says...

Why was she not in school? And where did she get the truck? It's a good thing no one was seriously hurt. If it were my kid, she'd be lucky to be locked up for a while!

October 28, 2011 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Boom (anonymous) says...

i have tried to tell you kids in Emporia are the worst, yall never learn.

October 28, 2011 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

truelovecharlie (anonymous) says...

madpoet---last I knew they didn't have school at 11:15p.m.

October 28, 2011 at 6:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

scarlett01_98 (anonymous) says...

boom!
hi, long time no see. you are preaching to the choir here. i just have to shake my head.

October 28, 2011 at 6:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

disgusted1 (anonymous) says...

I learned what a fog line was in drivers ed 12 years ago....

October 28, 2011 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Boom,
Glad to hear from you again . I believe that you are a young person that has evidently been taught some good real life values and I commend your parents and whoever taught you these values .

Now, my next comment(s) may seem a little snyde to some .
There seems to be an attitude in Emporia that , no matter what happens, " It's all for the Kids " ! Well it has been my experience that, if the Kids are allowed to do whatever they want, without any fear of having to suffer the consequences or punishment for thier actions, most of the " Kids " who commit crimes that are adult in nature will eventually grow up to be " Adult Criminals " and commit even more serious crimes !

But, afterall, ITS ALL FOR THE KIDS !

Yeah what a Crock !!!

JMO

October 29, 2011 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Problems with kids today is the result of permissive parenting. Too many kids are allowed to do exactly as they please with no consequences for bad behavior. Parenting is easy when all you do is let them run wild. Having rules and assigning consequences takes time and effort, and hey, the kid might get downright disagreeable and say things like, "I hate you" or worse. Heaven forbid if a parent grounds a kid. That parent might have to stay at home to see to make sure the rules are followed.

This 13 year old didn't learn consequences when she was 2 years old or any of the years since. Kids don't just up and decide to steal a car when they're 13. Those kind of decisions develop over time.

This little girl needs to be incarcerated for a couple of years where she will also be attending school.

I don't feel sorry for parents of kids like this or the kids themselves. At 13, no matter how she's been raised, she should know the difference between right and wrong.

What about me? What about some innocent party who may have been on the road at the time and been hurt or killed.

By golly in the good old days, she'd have been beaten. I don't agree with beating a kid, but chaining them to the basement floor until they turn 25 seems okay.

October 29, 2011 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

madpoet (anonymous) says...

I thought it was 11am not pm. My bad. So now my question is, why wasn't she in bed and where were her parents when she snuck out. I have gotten dirty looks for discipling my child in public. It does take a village to raise a child. That means allow parents to parent!

October 29, 2011 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create,

In my good ole days, it was not considered a beating, but rather, a " Spanking, a Paddling or a Switching " , and believe you me, I have felt the sting of a Willow switch in the hand of my mother, Ahem, numerous times . All my father had to do was give me that look that he could give, none of the above was necessary with him, just the look and a word or two and the threat of him having to take his belt off !!!!

And you know, I never, ever thought any less of them for the disciplining or punishment, as I really had it coming most of the time, and even if I didn' t I still never thought any less of them or lost my love for my mother and father .

You know a lot of the kids of today seem to have no sense of " Right " or " Wrong ", respect of others, their property or the Law .

Makes me wonder, if the future is truly in good hands !

October 30, 2011 at 7:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I also firmly believe that if a " Crime " is commited by anyone, regardless of age, their name should be made public .
After all do societies laws not apply to everyone or are kids exempt from Law and the accompanying punishment and humiliation that goes with violating/breaking the Law. I also believe that in the case of a juvenile " Law Breaker ", the parents names should also be made public, they should be made to stand at 6th and Commercial hold a sign saying that MY CHILD/CHILDREN BROKE THE LAW and have their lawbreaking child/children handcuffed to them, also holding a sign, explaining why they did what they did !!

If anyone has a valid defense/excuse for a child/children breaking the law, I would like to hear it, because I can think of no appropriate excuse for anyone, let alone a child to commit a serious crime and steal or destroy someone' s property or hurt or kill anyone .
It is my opinion, committing a Crime is a learned trait, learned either from family, friends or aquaintences .
I don' t believe children/people are born as criminals/lawbreakers .

JMO

October 30, 2011 at 7:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

I agree with your sensible thoughts, methusla. And yes, kids are not born already groomed to commit crime, but since youngsters are such blank slates, it doesn't take much for them to learn all kinds of habits, bad ones and good ones.

My 2-year-old great grandson has some bad bedtime habits because they don't put him down to sleep at night at a regular time. Children need standards and regular practices with regard to meal times and bed times and all sorts of regularly occuring things. Of course, since I've made my opinion known, I am now the enemy. Oh well...

October 30, 2011 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

You know I listened to this "chase" on the scanner. It was almost humorous, (if not for the dangers put to others). i don't know the particulars of this kid or her parents. Don't know how she was raised and such.

But back in the stone age, (before all the touchy feely do gooders took over), all the pertinent information would have been made public knowledge. And it at least seemed there was less of this going on.

I think in our societies zeal to protect children from end result of their bad choices, we have created more children who think there are no consequences to their actions.

JMO

October 30, 2011 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

At the very least a fine should be levied to pay for the costs incurred by both counties in these crimes. and they ARE crimes.

October 30, 2011 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create, Steve C.,

My friends, it is heartening to know that there are still those of us who believe that Law Breakers/Crime Committers should still be punished and made to pay and take personal responsibility for their " Criminal " actions, even if it means a juveniles " parents " must be made to pay also, right along with their kids/children .

I have come to the concluslion, that the only reason a man and a woman of today even contemplate having children, ever since the " child tax credit " has increased to $1000 per qualifying child, is because it has become nothing more than a way to make money or " Fleece " the government and the rest of us to the tune of " billions of dollars ", by having kids/children.
What a money making idea, " Have kids and get Paid " for doing so !
And then after the " Birthing Fee " is collected each year for a few years, relinquish all responsibility of/or for the child to the rest of society, regardless of what the kid/child does and then bitch like hell, if society or a parent, teacher, , public business, family member or guardian, with values feels the child/kid should be disciplined or punished for any wrong doing or law breaking, their hands have been effectively been tied from doing anything with to an unruly kid/child and again, as a parent or guardian, deny any responsibility for the childs actions and bitch and moan about anyone else dealing out discipline or punishment, of any kind .

Boy, what a set up . And all you here is our/your future is in good hands !!

Yeah, Right !!

Create, Steve C. and anyone who believes as we do, you know, those of us who were raised with some semblance of respect for others, the law and " Values ", I will say this, " We Are not the Enemies of Youth Children " what we do feel is " Fear " for the children, what they may become, unless they are taught respect and values and fear for the Future of us all ! If changes don' t occur/take place .

AAJMO

October 30, 2011 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Wow methusla,

I am not quite as jaded as you are on all of today's youth. And I don't believe that anyone would have children for the tax exemption. If there are parents like that they are in for a rude awaking.

We don't know the reasons for this kids criminal actions, probably will never know. But we should not give a pass to her or her parents for the trouble she caused.

For this one kid to do this on a late Thursday night, there were thousands more locally, that were at home with a loving family, studying, maybe sleeping, or at a job.

I have seen what I consider bad attitudes of younger folks and wonder how they will end up in life. I have also observed many, who in my mind, leave no doubt they will be huge contributors to society and lead good productive lives.

Let's just hope that all parents quit making excuses for their childrens behavior and teach those kids that all of our actions have consequences.

October 30, 2011 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Jaded, I really don't think so Steve !
You and I both know for a fact, that with todays prices and declining job market, that these young people, including those that are illegal that are popping out kids at a rate that may just rival a " rabbit " and knowing that there is no way that they could be able to support them all, unless the government were not paying them $1000 per head for having them and most likely giving the public assistance, besides. There is no such thing as responsible family planning anymore, because the government or should I say those of us who have already had our 1 or 2 children, raised them and paid for their needs, without a $1000 dollar handout from the government for having them.
No the incentive of $1000 per child is just too much money to turn down to not have 5,6 or more kids.
Just think in todays U.S., the more kids you have the more money you either get or get to keep.
Take for instance the couple that 19 kids and counting . Exactly what kind of job does the father have that can support and pay for 19 kids at todays prices.

Does this family recieve public assistance, besides receiving a possible 10 to 20 thousand dollar tax credit or possibly or most likely not paying any income tax at all, if they have an income.

Jaded !!! Nah, Just realistic !

AAJMO

October 30, 2011 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Methusla,

The numbers you are tossing around are not realistic, if you have actual sources please cite them.

"Exactly what kind of job does the father have that can support and pay for 19 kids at todays prices."

Well they have a TV show to pay the bills, they live conservatively and actually "raise" their kids, I have no problem with that.

October 30, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

goodoleboy,

Which numbers would lyou like me to cite,

1. Ten Facts about the Child Tax Credit

IRS Tax Tip 2011-29, February 10, 2011

The Child Tax Credit is an important tax credit that may be worth as much as $1,000 per qualifying child depending upon your income. Here are 10 important facts from the IRS about this credit and how it may benefit your family.

Amount - With the Child Tax Credit, you may be able to reduce your federal income tax by up to $1,000 for each qualifying child under the age of 17.

Qualification - A qualifying child for this credit is someone who meets the qualifying criteria of six tests: age, relationship, support, dependent, citizenship, and residence.

Age Test - To qualify, a child must have been under age 17 – age 16 or younger – at the end of 2010.

Relationship Test - To claim a child for purposes of the Child Tax Credit, they must either be your son, daughter, stepchild, foster child, brother, sister, stepbrother, stepsister or a descendant of any of these individuals, which includes your grandchild, niece or nephew. An adopted child is always treated as your own child. An adopted child includes a child lawfully placed with you for legal adoption.

Support Test - In order to claim a child for this credit, the child must not have provided more than half of their own support.

Dependent Test - You must claim the child as a dependent on your federal tax return.

Citizenship Test - To meet the citizenship test, the child must be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or U.S. resident alien.

continued

October 30, 2011 at 7:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

continued

Residence Test - The child must have lived with you for more than half of 2010. There are some exceptions to the residence test, which can be found in IRS Publication 972, Child Tax Credit.

Limitations - The credit is limited if your modified adjusted gross income is above a certain amount. The amount at which this phase-out begins varies depending on your filing status. For married taxpayers filing a joint return, the phase-out begins at $110,000. For married taxpayers filing a separate return, it begins at $55,000. For all other taxpayers, the phase-out begins at $75,000. In addition, the Child Tax Credit is generally limited by the amount of the income tax you owe as well as any alternative minimum tax you owe.

Additional Child Tax Credit - If the amount of your Child Tax Credit is greater than the amount of income tax you owe, you may be able to claim the Additional Child Tax Credit.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0...

I am assuming that these are the numbers you were referring to !

And as you can see in Item 9, " For married taxpayers filing a joint return, the phase-out begins at $110,000. For married taxpayers filing a separate return, it begins at $55,000. For all other taxpayers, the phase-out begins at $75,000. In addition, the Child Tax Credit is generally limited by the amount of the income tax you owe as well as any alternative minimum tax you owe.

Therefore it would seem to me that there would be a lot of people that would be able to claim and receive a $1,000 per child tax credit, I would not think that there are not many husbands/wives that have a joint filing of $ 110,000 or a single filing wife or husband that would have a $55,000 income, what with the economy and shrinking job base in the U.S. !

I am assuming that these are the numbers you were referring to.

However I may be totally off my bean and totally wrong .

AAJMO

October 30, 2011 at 7:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

goodoleboy,

I also, have no problem with them raising 19 kids, if their is no public assistance, etc. involved .

However, I would like to ask this couple one thing, Why have 19 children and want more and if were not for the noteriety and money being made from that noteriety as well as the possible tax credit, would they still plan to have 19 kids and counting on more ?

JMO

October 30, 2011 at 7:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

americus1987 (anonymous) says...

I'd say the problem with kids is the shift in the home from parent-centered to child-centered. I believe the argument that spanking is now considered "child-abuse" represents that trend. My parents set limits and if I crossed the line, I knew I had it coming. Of course I hated it as a kid, but I'm glad my parents did it. I think it's the clearest way of getting the point across to a kid that there are consequences for your actions. And I'm glad they did it then so I wouldn't have to be dealing with the system spanking my ass now!

October 30, 2011 at 7:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Meth,

You were talking about a 10-20k tax credit, I have never heard of it being near that high, nor can I see how it could be based on my experience with taxes, and I am a pretty creative account.

the child tax credit depreciates after the first child, at least it always has for me. Bottom line is that those making more see less from the credits, those making less see more, BUT they don't make near as much either so it's not like they are getting a wad back.

In regards to the Duggars(sp) I think that is who you are referring too? I have no problem with what they are doing, their choice, they make money off it and raise productive children power to them, I think they are the positive example, with the negative examples being the Jon and Kate, Octomom ordeals. The latter I take definite issue with, as do most.

October 30, 2011 at 8:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

goodoleboy,

I am not going to labor this any further, after I make this last statement/observation.

In the list of 10 Facts About the Child Tax Credit, straight from the IRS, I did not read any where in this, where the amount of child tax credit is reduced after the first child ! Of course I am not a tax account and I have not been able to claim a child tax credit for over 30 years so I definately would not know for certain. I am only going by what I read !

If I am totally wrong, then I will appologize to every one with children or who is prolifically having children !

Good discussion though goodoleboy and have a good evening and a better tomorrow .

October 30, 2011 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Oh I was not trying to denigrate your point Methusla, if I have offended you I apologize. I just had a hard time seeing how the numbers you had posted were achievable based on my experiences and information.

I agree with your points on people proliferating for money, there is no doubt it is done or factors into the decision making. People need to be responsible for their children, and be able to raise and provide for them, I won't lie but it bothers me seeing a single parents on welfare with many children, some fall on hardships but many could definitely improve their situations by actually planning a family instead of exacerbating the situation.

The children of illegal immigrants also bothers me, I don't feel I should be responsible for someone did not respect our laws, if I had it my way I would like to see the Constitution amended so only children of citizens are granted automatic citizenship, some people might think that extreme but I feel it is the only way to make citizenship mean something.

October 30, 2011 at 11:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

EmporiaRocks (anonymous) says...

methusla,

The SRS would now arrest your mother and put you in foster care.

Disciplining your child is now a punishable offense.

We have the responsibility to raise them; we just don't have the authority to do so. Trust me...it makes the job much tougher.

October 31, 2011 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...

I think you're on to something Steve. Charging the parents for the expenses incurred in stopping this accident waiting to happen should be mandatory. Money talks, maybe the parents of this "child" will "wake up" and show a little responsibility. We have 6 kids (and not because of the tax credit, Meth) and it's been a chore ensuring our values are upheld. We've gone as far as taking away their cell phone for a week or more (I think they would have preferred the ole fashioned "whipping") and or taking away many or their "privileges". We also try to instill respect and courtesy (I'm amazed at how many of their friends don't ever say please or thank you when we pick them up, give them a ride somewhere, invite them for dinner or a family outing). You can definitely tell the difference between those children that have been brought up with a sense of the traditional values and those that have parents that don't give a sh##.

October 31, 2011 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Please don' t misunderstand me or take me the wrong way and my intention was not to offend anyone who has children and take the responsibility of teaching them what is right and wrong and instill/teach them everyday, courtesies, common decency/respect, values and above that there will be consequences for their/your actions, either good or bad and that one must accept those consequences as a result of their actions .. Good or Bad .

And I do admire and respect anyone who takes on the responsibility of having and raising a family/children .

But one must admit, there are those who are having numerous children, strictly, for the " Monetary " reward that may and is involved in doing so.

I know what a job it is to raise a child/children, as I raised two children of my own, pretty much on my own, by myself, with some help from my great and loving parents . And " Man " let me tell you parenting is dificult and a full time job . But, it is even more difficult when you are a single parent, as I became, approx., 6 years into my " so called " marriage !

Let me say, I admire, commend and congratulate all those who have taken on the task of having children and sincerely hope you continue to do a good job, because it is a " REAL LIFE'S JOB " and sincerely hope that you are not one of those who are doing so because of the money, but are doing so because of the " LOVE " in doing so !

Again I appologize if I have offended those loving/responsible parents families with my comments and wish you, your children and family/families nothing but Love and all the best !

Have a great day and a wonderful Life !

October 31, 2011 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...

Wasn't offended at all, Meth. Matter of fact I was reminded of the time, when I was in college, working one of those small convenience type stores in Wisconsin, when this woman comes strolling in (very over-weight, with 3 children, bare-footed). I immediately informed the woman that the children aren't allowed in the store without any footwear (explaining the risks involved), she gave me some crap back & continued on. She comes back to the register with a 6-pack of Old Milwaukee and a bunch of junk food and tries to pay for it with food stamps. In Wisconsin, food stamps can only be used for non-taxable items (beer & junk food is taxable). She gives me more crap, goes back and gets a quart of milk and gives me a $20 food stamp (and a dirty look) (and hoping to get about $18 in change). You should have heard her when I gave her change in food stamps (they'd probably pull my comment if I posted the words she used). Needless to say she stomped out the door with her milk, dragging the kids with her (probably to head to a store that doesn't enforce the Food stamp rules as closely).

Y'all have a great day too :D
Dave R.

October 31, 2011 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

romano1784 (anonymous) says...

We have only one child. That was our decision. In today economy we didn't want our household to suffer due to a lack of money to clothe, feed, and house our family. Meth the $1k tax credit does little when you take in the yearly cost it takes to raise a child, though I do agree about the distaste in illegals or anyone that lives off the welfare of everyone simply because they can, not because they have too.

Being a parent is tough today. I'm not that old but I'm old enough that when my father told me we were going "outside" I knew there was no witnesses and it would not be an enjoyable experience. Now that is not possible due to the "protect the children" mind frame gripping the nation. I saw a woman at walmart smack her child for blatantly punching his sister. Another woman immediately started chastising this woman for child abuse and torture. I thanked the mother for having the guts to punish her child. And I am not talking a two or three year old kid that did this, he was at least 13 so he definitely knew better. While working at a business I saw one of these kids stealing cd's. When I confronted him he wasn't scared in the slightest. "What are they gonna do, spank me? I'll have them all in jail while I listen to more music!" Those were the exact words he used, he was arrested, and released the same day. No charges filed, no punishments administered, years later he's in jail for grand theft auto. Signs of the times right?

November 2, 2011 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Another sign of the times are the recently released scores of high school students all over the world. Shanghai students scored highest and came in #1. U.S. students placed 14th in Reading, 17th in Science, and 25th in Math.

While Shanghai students have excellent attitudes about learning and high respect for teachers, U.S. students have great regard for cell phones, video games, and music.

Those of us who can see results can see our futures on the backs of today's children.

November 3, 2011 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

romano1784 (anonymous) says...

Blame advertising for telling every child that they are useless, dirty, poor, and a reject for not having the latest in technology. My son can have a cell phone when he can pay the bill himself!

November 3, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )