Reverend Grover
Peggy Mast, District 76 State Representative
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
What is actually happening here? A recent article you penned basically excoriated people for judging and labeling an entire group of people. Are you sure you want to step out in the public square to engage in the same “vulgar” behavior?
Quite frankly, Reverend, this is the first time I have ever seen the label “conservative” on John Dean. The psychologist’s descriptive analysis you quoted in your last article could easily be applied to any plethora of ideologues whether academic, media or bureaucratic. Can anyone honestly say they have not met an individual with a very authoritarian attitude that was a liberal? But such is often the mistake of the unwitting “authoritarian” in denial.
My perception of a person who bears the title of “minister” has always been one who invite’s everyone to come to understanding of their “higher power.” A Christian minister usually focuses on the Lord being an answer to conflict. Psalms 85:10 states “Love and faithfulness meet together; righteousness and peace kiss each other.” Where is the love, Reverend?
It would seem your articles have an intention outside this scope. You seem determined to create malice and intolerance while you point the finger at others and label them as “self-righteous, authoritarian and various other negative labels. Perhaps your playbook is not the same one I thought pastors were supposed to read and lead by.
Or perhaps, you are working more from the handbook that has been affecting a lot of activity in our nation lately. “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky, is a book that appears to be having quite a bit of influence right now.
“Rules for Revolution” is a shorter version and you can pick it up for $1 to $3 just by a quick internet search. It helps one to understand some of the unrest in our nation and exactly why it is being fueled. I might suggest people order it and see for themselves if the articles accusing others of “intolerance” are really a diversion for a movement that is afoot to bring about “CHANGE with little HOPE. I, for one, became very disenchanted when I found out people were being paid to stir up the masses. True, it is a capitalistic society, but to make a living by creating chaos and fueling dissention somehow takes a lot of the nobility out of the entire concept. If individuals in our nation were watching closely the results of the “Arab Spring” they might be less willing to attempt to encourage that activity in our nation. Many people have died and will continue to lose their lives with little certainty of a more positive future.
I think a more positive approach would be the concept of “United we Stand, Divided we Fall” especially at a time of war wouldn’t you Reverend Grover?
sail (anonymous) says...
WOW......
October 25, 2011 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I would expect nothing less from a die hard conservative, Bob must have hit a nerve
Feel free to view Mast's positions here:
http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=...
interesting she refused to take the courage test a second time around, not like she has anything to worry about in a red state.
October 25, 2011 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
netloafer (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy
I'd be interested in what your solution would be to our "conservative problem."
October 25, 2011 at 9:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Very good article and I don't go along with the reverend's line of thought but, I like the idea that he is not afraid of the state to preach his political views. Please review this article.
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/...
October 25, 2011 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Food for thought from the perspective of another pastor.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/bald...
October 25, 2011 at 9:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
I recently saw a posting that tickles me. It reads:
The Numbers:
Republicans have introduced...
44 bills on Abortion.
99 on Religion.
71 on Family Relationships.
36 on Marriage.
67 on Firearms/Gun Control.
522 on Taxation.
445 on "Government Investigations."
ZERO on Job Creation.
Where are the jobs?
October 25, 2011 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
From the left and right, there is "spiritual wickedness in high places."
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2010...
October 25, 2011 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
RICHIE, where are the jobs? Since Obama has become President people on food stamps has gone from 33 million to 45 million. The only thing he is stimulating is the national debt.
October 25, 2011 at 10:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
The Obama JOB's Bill Hoax.
http://lewrockwell.com/armentano-d/ar...
October 25, 2011 at 10:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Reddog - President Obama deserves an E for Effort in terms of trying to bring both ends of the political spectrum together, more than any recent president. Did he succeed? No. So, now he needs to put up his fists and fight since that's what the GOP wants to do. One must give credit to "No Drama Obama," but now we Democrats and Indies want him to fight. Our President is putting forth a jobs bill, but the GOP has not. The GOP is fighting within, the old school vs. the Tea Party.
I'm proud of my President, and he will have my support in 2012.
October 25, 2011 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
BTW, Obama inherited from Dubya and the GOP Congress the worst financial mess since the Great Depression. You cannot undue eight years of evil in less than four years.
Let's start this topic in terms of the GOP's deregulation of the financial industry. Your turn!
October 25, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
On a side note, reddog, please quit posting these ridiculous quotes from the conspirator Lew Rockwell. I don't know how much he pays you for each posting, but I can say that we (the TEG bloggers) are tired of them. Makes me think you are a Christian Scientist.
October 25, 2011 at 10:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Obama is pretending we are not in a depression.
http://www.infowars.com/pretending-we...
October 25, 2011 at 10:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
MAYBE You ought to do a background check.
http://www.breitbart.tv/the-b-cast-in...
October 25, 2011 at 10:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Oh, K.B., there you go again. *giggle* You like conspiracy theories, don't you? On that note, we'd love to hear about your JFK assassination theory. And, any others you might have. BTW, where can we find the corpse of Jimmy Hoffa? The Enquirer wants to know. Did you know The Enquirer will pay for your input?
October 25, 2011 at 10:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
K.B. = Cliff Clavin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Cl...
October 25, 2011 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Let's talk about sound money and your dinner bucket. The problem is 100% governmental. Listen to Doug Casey.
http://lewrockwell.com/casey/casey98....
October 25, 2011 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Louie, Louie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cec1JI...
October 25, 2011 at 11:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
The Wall Street Shuffle. This is profound.
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot....
October 25, 2011 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Sorry, K.B. We are of two different generations and mindsets. I like to think of myself as progressive, forward-thinking, humane and realistic about the world around me. The 1950's are extinct. And, I believe America can be gold again; I'm optimistic. But, when I get excited about a strong America, I also hope for a strong world community. The past is just that, the past. We're in the 21st Century, now. We are a global community who must learn to live together in unity.
October 25, 2011 at 11:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
wall street--William Black. Please review the wisdom of this former regulator of the S&L Crisis.http://warincontext.org/2011/10/21/former-financial-regulator-william-black-occupy-wall-street-a-counter-to-white-collar-fraud/
October 25, 2011 at 11:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Richie, you made a good point and I understand the education you have been subject to which was all planned by the elite of the world. The only thing new in this world is the history you don't know. Review the Rockefeller Fihttp://educate-yourself.org/ga/RFcontents.shtmlle.
October 26, 2011 at 12:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
http://educate-yourself.org/ga/RFcont...
October 26, 2011 at 12:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
THEN go to Non Dare Calll it Conspiracy.
http://www.whale.to/b/allen_b1.html
October 26, 2011 at 12:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
TRAGEDY AND HOPE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRkCvu...
October 26, 2011 at 12:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
YOU can earn extra credit by watching these films. Take what you like and leave the rest, that's what I do and sometimes I say this is not happening in America and then I discover some of these things are really takinhttp://alexjonesconspiracy.com/alex-jones-documentaries.htmlg place.
October 26, 2011 at 12:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
CURRENT UP TO THE MINUTE NEWS. THE 5 MINUTE FORCAST.
http://5minforecast.agorafinancial.co...
October 26, 2011 at 12:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
netloafer,
There is no solution needed for the "conservative problem" given time they will hang themselves, problem I see is that the current crop of GOP is heading so far to the right I don't think they can push much further without totally abandoning all but the far right.
As a registered independent I would vote for Ron Paul if he attained the nomination, but if he does not Obama gets my vote, he is a centrist in my opinion since both the right and left are not really thrilled with him.
People are not stupid, the current congress has the lowest approval rating since they started tracking it.
"The survey, conducted Aug. 18-22, found that approval of Congress has dropped to its lowest level in AP-GfK polling – 12 percent. That's down from 21 percent in June, before the debt deal reached fever pitch."
What bothers me is that the GOP is more concerned with making Obama a one term president than they are righting this country, Mitch McConnell has publicly stated this is a goal of the party. There are many people hurting out there and there are actions that could be taken to help but it is clear nothing will happen because they want the guy out. I don't care what side you sit on, that is just plain wrong in my book. What concerns me most is how long this crap will go on, because I seriously doubt we can get Ron Paul the nomination, and none of the others have a chance.
October 26, 2011 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
I enjoyed reading k.b.'s and richie's little back and forth. then the spam links started. I would agree that we are a global community now, and we must live together in unity, as Richie says.
BUT,
Has anyone noticed that the MORE we become a global community, the LESS our (Americas) standard of living becomes?
October 26, 2011 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
netloafer (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy
Thanks.
One of the things that tends to happen in these discussions is (1) Those outside a particular movement define the members of the target movement with a broad brush (2) They treat the movement like a monolith (3) They tend to defeine themselves as caring, compassionate, reasonable as opposed to their target.
The most common term used today is "greedy." Greed, as it is so often defined, isolates the other guy. It's the other guy who is greedy, not me. Of course they're not greedy. There's nothing wrong with wanting what someone else has and claiming you have a right to it based on some nation of "fairness."
One of the reasons I hold conservative views is that I much prefer looking after my own interests rather than trusting someone who claims he is more compassionate, caring, and less greedy than me.
I'm also skeptical when the part is used for the whole. Conservatives are not a monolith.
October 26, 2011 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
What are the people angry about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7WYUI...
October 26, 2011 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
So Peggy, your comments seem to have resulted in a slew of reddog spam and only a few creditable discussions.
So Peggy, you have quite a lot to say, but I dare say that the voice doesn't sound like yours. Oh well, more importantly, what are you doing for bringing jobs to Kansas?
Republicans on the national scene are doing nothing at all with regard to Jobs except trying to get rid of the job in the Whitehouse which I see as dirty politics and a shame when this country is suffering as it is. But of course you Kansas Republicans have your jobs secure with living in a red state.
How's that for labeling!
October 26, 2011 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
marko (anonymous) says...
thank you Peggy Mast for increasing my vocabulary "excoriated". Now that's a ten dollar word.
October 26, 2011 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
CAT FIGHT !
October 26, 2011 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
BUT SERIOUSLY CREATE,
Just what do you want the government to do to create jobs? Spend another trillion dollars and create more government workers?
Another million teachers "for the Kids" so when they grow up they can be smart and get good jobs to pay the governmental debt their parents saddled them with.
And the president who is running for office tells them "it's not your fault that you have student loans, don't worry about paying them."
When are people going to realize ?
OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER, OUR GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM !
October 26, 2011 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
But then again, I agree with you about Peggy.
October 26, 2011 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
americus1987 (anonymous) says...
K.B. your spam makes me feel like I walk into a house that hasn't been frequented in 50 years and get cobwebs all in my face. PLEASE stop.
October 26, 2011 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Steve,
The government is only the problem to a point. I'd love to point to the people entirely for being at fault, but that would be naive. In so many cases, they are pawns, especially when it comes to the economic problems of this country.
The people did not decide to outsource their own jobs. Unfortunately, the people are partially at fault for that outsourcing because they kept wanting more money and wouldn't settle for less. Ford and GM are examples of how a man can keep his job and still put out a good product.
No, Steve, millions of government jobs are not the answer; however, perhaps it is time to give industry a tax break and they will begin to hire again.
There are a ton of reasons why the private sector is not hiring, and has not been hiring for several years. We all know one reason why -- they can pay dirt wages overseas and the people there are happy to get the pennies a day because they don't live in houses, they live in hovels with extended families. An Indian man working for an American bank credit card section makes $6K a year and is rich doing it.
Thank goodness the feds are vigorously investigating Wall Street and have been for the past two years. I am very happy to see this. THIS is our government at work for those of you who believe we need less government. Less government is what caused the likes of insider trading. They don't think anyone is watching. BS. Not now!
Only yesterday they arrested yet another one for insider trading, the second one in less than a month. These two are big fish. Up to now, the fish have been small. It takes time to investigate this kind of stuff. And THAT is what the government can continue to do because we have all been screwed by Wall Street and Real Estate.
But this president that the GOP spends all its time trying to get out of office is at the helm. What the hell did George do about Wall Street? I'm only sorry these protests didn't take place on his watch. No, he kept the people's attention riveted in Iraq while he wagged the dog.
Wall Street fraud is what caused all of us to lose bundles of bucks from our 401 K's. Now we get practically nothing for our savings accounts. It's a huge cause and effect scenario and housing is just a small part of it.
If the government were not investigating Wall Street and Banking fraud, who the hell would? Who even has the necessary equipment and access?
Sorry Steve, you're wrong in this case. Be careful of making sweeping generalizations or you'll sound like reddog.
Eeeeek.
October 26, 2011 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
netloafer,
I too hold conservative views, many of which are based in fiscal matters. The problem that I and many of my generation have with present day conservatives is that
1. Recently the conservatives have not conservative at all, which begs the question why are they even called conservative.
2. Conservatives tend to be conservative on all social issues, why can we not get a fiscal conservative that is not an extreme social conservative?
There is nothing wrong with being conservative and looking out for your interests, but I don't believe in enacting polices which pigeon hole others into a particular belief system and way of life.
October 26, 2011 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
That wasn't nice.
i think if Peggy were to answer you, it would be her boy brownback's standard line. Kansas is going to do away with it's state income tax, (to help the Koch bros.), and it is giving tax breaks to industry locating in Kansas.
It is the indecision, political wrangling and stalemates in Washington D.C. that most effects our economy right now. Not the rich Wall street types.
October 26, 2011 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
hmmm,while we ,including me, banter back and forth for our team,are we watching who is moving the ball.
October 26, 2011 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
On a local level, one ball being moved is Westar's ball/ They want a $90.8 million rate increase. This means 5.85% for you and me.
Why? Operations and maintenance expenses incurred PLUS, wait for it...MEETING FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR FUNDING EMPLOYEE PENSION FUNDS AND COMPLYING WITH NEW REGULATIONS.
There you have it. It's the government's fault that you and I have to pay nearly 6% more on our Westar bills.
Crappity doo dah day!
October 26, 2011 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
marko (anonymous) says...
wondering how many dividends and huge bonuses were paid while they were underfunding pensions
October 26, 2011 at 3:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cyberspace (anonymous) says...
Peggy, it looks like the truth hurts. Bob's reasoned, well-researched article was an explanation, not an excoriation.
Your rebuttle is one based more on emotion, than reason.
And you had to whip out the war card! Give us a break, Peggy. If the best you can do is try to stand behind 2 needless, financially draining wars that we have no further business in, than please retire. Term limits, anyone?
October 26, 2011 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
Well, I like Peggy, she is for freedom, less gov. and is fiscal responsible. I guess that kind of sums it up.
October 26, 2011 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
take a look at her voting record, you might want to rephrase that statement.
October 26, 2011 at 7:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
VOTE NO ON COUNTY SALES TAX !
October 28, 2011 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )