JustWondering (anonymous) says...

Speaking about FACTS
The fact is that the violence in Arizona you speak of (the shooting of Rep. Giffords and others) has not been linked with anything to do with politics. The shooter was mentally ill and did not have links to any political party or issue, except for the speculation of the main stream media who also should stick to the facts rather than their leftist agenda. Perhaps you should also stick to the facts, or is this only required of "government officials"?

Do you realize that there is $105 Billion hidden in the Obamacare bill for "start-up costs"? I wish that the politicians had actually read the bill BEFORE they passed it rather than listening to Nancy Pelosi when she urged "we need to pass this bill so we can find out what is in it". They should have known what was in it before the vote was taken!!!!!!

March 8, 2011 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jamesbordonaro (James Bordonaro) says...

I believe former Rep. Bart Stupak (D. Michigan) had withheld his initial support for the bill until additional language was added to address concerns over federal funding of abortions.

March 8, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Neither side is ever completely factual, but I have observed one trend, the party out of power tends to lie the most, with the exception of the Bush Administration.

March 8, 2011 at 6:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

The Oman is using the same accountants as Enron.Sebelius amitted to double dip savings

March 8, 2011 at 6:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

OMG First off, we don't really know if there was or wasn't any political motivation from the Arizona shooting? While he hasn't out and said anything since being arrested, he had various post on Youtube that were politically motivated. Plus, there is the fact he shot a Democratic politician.
Secondly, how is it that I freaking knew what was in the bill before it was passed, but the Congress didn't? It was on the internet before it was voted on. Sure it was over 1000 pages, but the margins were freaking huge, and it was readable in one night (if you didn't fall asleep from boredom) That quote everyone on the Right keeps repeating was her basically saying "once we pass the bill you will see the benefits." Here is the entire statement:
"You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." Again you could read the darn thing yourself at the time she made this statement.

March 8, 2011 at 8:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

Mr. Mitchell........Koch............

Jeremy,
Please see the op-ed by Mr. Karr. It is very relevant to whether or not our government should provide health care to its citizens.
http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...

March 8, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Please 4theluv that article is a joke. He is trying to bring back the red scare.

March 8, 2011 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cyberspace (anonymous) says...

You're correct, Jeremy. I have received the same type of response. It has the feel that you are dealing with a talk show host more than you are a respresentative of the people. Facts are elusive in this day and age and some Republicans and probably some Democrats are guilty of using them. The majority of the evidence seems to show the Republicans being the main offenders.
http://www.truth-out.org/what-happens...
The media is being purchased and the message is being manipulated. This is fact.

March 9, 2011 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

neighbor (anonymous) says...

Huelskamp will only vote the way the top funded lobbying groups want him to vote.

March 9, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

All I know is that in the last 12 months, my health insurance premiums have gone from $165 a month to $345 a month starting in April. I will not be able to afford my insurance next month so I will have to drop it and join the uninsured. Nothing good has come to pass for me. I was priced out by greedy insurance companies by the actions of government that didn't read the damn bill or think about the consequences for people like me before they passed it.

The bill amounts to an expansion of Medicaid for people who didn't have insurance before the bill's passage. The bill doesn't secure access at all for the patients Medicaid claims to cover. First of all, doctors are under no duty to accept any insurance plan, private or CMS backed. If a doctor charges $100 for an office visit and gets $65 - $70 from a private, third party payer and $10 - $15 from a Medicaid patient which plan do you think the doctor will drop first? Do you want a schedule full of $65 - $70 or $10 - $15 when your costs of doing business (e.g. malpractice insurance, complying with regulation, etc.) continues to go up exponentially?

The President clearly did not consider the suppliers of healthcare at all, refused to touch tort reform and refused to bolster fraud and abuse enforcement where CMS is concerned so I don't really think he was serious about comprehensive healthcare reform. It is looking more and more like another area the government can take over and make more of us dependent on them and further the government's power and ability to influence our lives.

March 9, 2011 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

allintogether,

I remember the prediction that insurance companies would raise the rates to get in front of the health care bill. Wow, your increase is huge! I wonder if they banked on cancellations? Sorry yours went up so high.

Fortunately, fraud and abuse enforcement is continuing despite having fewer and fewer people to investigate because of budget cuts. Everytime I hear of a medical practice bilking Medicare for millions at a time, I want to see their heads on a pike. There was another one just this morning. We never get to see them arrested or in court, and I wish we could. They are no different than that New York guy who bilked all those people with his Ponzi scheme.

March 9, 2011 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

I don't appreciate your "thoughts". It sounds like your so called "thoughts" were hand fed you by Madcow on MSNBC.

As a result of this op-ed I decided to write Huelskamp to remind him that the reason that the Majority of Americans put them in power for this very purpose and if they don't do it we will remove them and find someone that will.

P.S. The killer in Arizona was a self-proclaimed liberal who joked about aborting babies. If you are so inclined to link him with a political party you might start with the D's.

March 9, 2011 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

I anticipated an increase Create. Just not over 100% in a year. I never use it, I have no serious conditions, non smoker, safe driver, etc. I am most likely going to be caught in the middle. I will make too much money to qualify for whatever it is the government has in store but I won't make enough money to afford insurance.

The insurance companies are charging more and covering less. They have been doing it for years. If the government regulated insurance companies before they passed this legislation then I would think their heart was in the right place. As it is, government is as stupid and clumsy as insurance companies are greedy.

I will do the best I can to prevent disease or illness and if I get sick I will go to the public health department like I have for years and hope I can afford the care. I'll be damned if I let the government take care of me.

March 9, 2011 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

I can understand your points allin. That was the one thing that freaked me out about the bill. The restrictions on premium hikes don't kick in until 2014. They should have seen the gouging that would go on until then. They should have made all of the benefits take effect asap. But the insurance companies can still deny adults for preexisting conditions until 2014. They can still raise the price all they want until then. I would have loved to see Medicare for all, and just be done with the bs.

March 9, 2011 at 7:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

P.S. tend the only place I ever heard of the shooter being a "liberal" was from right wing blow hards. Sounds like you are listening to too much Fox and not enough real news. I have seen his youtube videos when they were coherent they were anything but "liberal."

March 9, 2011 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nannergirl (anonymous) says...

This law is a nightmare. Our health care system is flawed, but it's the best the world has got. A few problems with this bill:

1. Americans are FORCED to buy a product by the federal government. It's similar to what they did in Massachusetts. That's fine that Massachusetts wants to do that because that is their right as a state. You might want to brush up on reading the constitution. The tenth amendment clearly states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

2. Increases our already enormous deficit against the will of the majority of Americans.

3. Includes a government takeover of the student loan industry. As a college student, this thoroughly ticks me off. I never had any problems with sallie mae, and I don't want Uncle Sam sticking his grubby little fingers in my pockets anymore than he already has.

Tim Huelskamp did the right thing and accurately represented the majority of Kansans.

March 9, 2011 at 8:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nannergirl (anonymous) says...

Oh, and I almost forgot. Letting young adults stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26? What kind of bologna is that? I'm 22, and although my parents oppose the bill, they offered to let me hop on their insurance. I refused out of principle. Talk about a debasement of young people. What next, I can't vote until I'm 26? Not to mention it's an unnecessary burden on the economy to force companies to abide by this and the other pie in the sky legislation.

March 9, 2011 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Nanner, you might want to brush up on either
A. what is in the Act or
B. What is in the Constitution.
The bill does not "force you to purchase health insurance. It applies a tax penalty to those who do not have insurance. This is not a "mandate" everyone on the right-wing calls it. You are perfectly able to forgo purchasing insurance. The Constitution allows the Federal Government taxation right. They can tax whatever the heck they want. So, yeah, they are not breaking any Constitutional laws.
P.S. There is a "loophole" written into the law that strictly prevents any further action from being taken by the government for failure to pay the tax penalty. It specifically says they cannot apply any interest, or impose prison time, for failure to pay.
Oh, I almost forgot. Letting you stay on your parents health insurance was to HELP you. I can not understand anger toward that part of the act. Seriously, how is that a bad thing? They aren't forcing you to be on their insurance, just giving the option.

BTW Why are they getting rid of preexisting conditions?!?! My insurance company was going to cover me, but I refused strictly out of principal!

March 9, 2011 at 9:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

P.S. the CBO has stated the act will reduce the deficit. Frankly, I will listen to them before i listen to Limbaugh or whatever wack job said it increases the deficit.

March 9, 2011 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nannergirl (anonymous) says...

Sure, sure, I can do anything I want, I just can't pick the consequences. Lets quit being metaphorical and face the music. If I am fined money for not doing something, I consider it a mandate. Since I believe in honoring the law of the land, and since as a citizen I supposedly have a say in what the law of the land is, I don't want to be forced to either buy health insurance or pay a fine. I believe in paying my debts so I don't want to just "not pay" and hope that the loophole will cover my hide.

And forcing companies to allow young adults up to 26 is a degradation of our adulthood. It's a really popular part of the law because there are a whole lot of lazy, spoon-fed, welfare imbibing people who want something for nothing. Let's throw the dogs a bone to popularize our government power grab. I don't want to be bribed into subservience.

March 9, 2011 at 10:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

OK Nannergirl, choose not to buy car insurance, then let me know how that works out for you when you have an accident. You also might want to brush up on a few of your facts. I would suggest:

http://www.politifact.com/
http://www.factcheck.org/

And one last thing, doctors,lawyers, and grad students are all about 26 when they leave school, might want to factor them into the equation.

March 9, 2011 at 11:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Nannergirl said:

"Talk about a debasement of young people. What next, I can't vote until I'm 26?"

If some in the GOP have their way 22 year olds like you might not be able to

http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20110...

Also, since your into chastising, you might want to apply some of your criticism to your parents since they "against the bill" but are happy to set that aside when it affects them.

I admire your passion, but you really need to do a little homework and make some logical assertions before hitting the comment button.

March 10, 2011 at 3:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

If they are forcing health insurance companies to provide health insurance to people with pre-existing conditions it really isn't insurance any more is it?

That's like telling a homeowners insurance company they have to provide insurance to someone AFTER their house burned down.

The only reason the health insurance companines are on board with this plan is that it FORCES people to buy their health insurance thus increasing their customer base. How does that create competition to drive down prices? There is no opening up of the markets here.

Now, some of you may argue that it doesn't force people on it, it just punishes them financially for not doing so, but that is not being intellectually honest. And anyone who thinks the constitution guarantees people health care should perhaps brush up on it themselves.

Most people tend to look out for their own interests. Some people stand on principle and when they do, I don't think they should be bashed for it. Of course, liberals and principles go together like oil and water so some of the comments on here are understandable.

I just got my taxes done recently so yes, I'm a little cranky. It irks the hell out of me that I have to pay so much to the government and get so little in return except for people pissing and moaning that I should be paying more so they don't have to work as hard as I've had to.

March 10, 2011 at 6:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

LOL! The first comment I have ever seen actually saying preexisting conditions are a good thing. Insurance companies use those to get out of doing what they are paid to do. When you get sick, they hire people to look through your medical history and if you had a freaking cold they will call your lung cancer a preexisting condition.
I love the fantasy world conservatives live in. It is a world where they are the only one who have principals, rights, and morals. They might have principled stances but when it comes down to upholding them, that is where they fall short.

March 10, 2011 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

"When you get sick, they hire people to look through your medical history and if you had a freaking cold they will call your lung cancer a preexisting condition."

Exaggerate much?

Preexisting conditions are a good thing when you're trying to run a business called and INSURANCE company. Do you even understand how insurance works?

March 10, 2011 at 7:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Yes I understand how it works I used to work with one. And you are right, they are out to make money. So when your health problem effects their bottom line they will drop you. But, that is ok with you since they are a company?

March 10, 2011 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

The Health Care Bill is 1990 pages long. If you read one page a day it would take you 5 years 5 months and 10 days to read it. It's 490 pages LONGER than War and Peace. Tell me you read it in its entirety, and I'll tell you that you are completely full of sh!t.

That being said, Oograh you said "They can tax whatever the heck they want." The British Government tried that, and I think it worked pretty well for them, don't you??

Matt

March 10, 2011 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

Insurance companies have never been able to LEGALLY drop someone who became sick after they obtained the health insurance. Have there been instances when that happened, I'm sure there have. In that case I would recommend legal action against that company and I would support stiffer penalties for those breaking the law.

But lets don't sit here and pretend that happens all of the time.

Obamacare went too far with the mandates and not far enough with the fixes. Which is why the health insurance companies were lobbying for his health care plan.

Remember, the original problem we were trying to fix was to make health care more affordable and, in turn, available to more people who wanted it but could not otherwise afford it. Preventive health care that is, because emergency health care was already available to everyone.

March 10, 2011 at 9:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

REWBA (anonymous) says...

mslater, It's not the health care bill. It's a law. Didn't you ever skip school and watch public funded television?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55...

Or are you too young for that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2q66...

March 10, 2011 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Uh, the grievance was taxation without representation. We were mad over being taxed at the same rate, but without parlamentary representation.

March 10, 2011 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

REWBA, haha, not too young at all! Ok, let me rephrase that then: The Health Care LAW is 1,990 pages. My bad! Haha.

Matt

March 10, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

oograh, you're missing the point. The Government can't pass taxes on whatever they want. They can only pass taxes on what we the people want them to pass taxes on. Unfortunately, the government has long ignored the people and taxed whatever the heck it wanted.

Now, not to be the one to state a grievance with no solution, my proposal is thus:

*Do away completely with the existing tax code.
*Impose a 20% nationwide sales tax with 10% going to the Federal Government and 5% going to each the state government and the local Government.
*Impose a 25% import tax. (You want to take 25% off the cost of your product, make it here)
*Impose a $2/gallon sales tax on gasoline (to get people to stop using the crap to fund despot middle east governments)(yes I'm guilty)
*Make it illegal under constitutional law to institute any sort of income or property tax.
*An immediate return to the gold standard
*Make it unconstitutional to have a budget deficit except during times of war or national emergency.
*Make it unconstitutional to have a national debt (once it's finally paid off)
*Eliminate the fed. Immediately.

There you have it. Problem solved.

March 10, 2011 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

You can go to the forums and click on reader topics to comment on any new story. If it is kept under control. I'll try.

March 10, 2011 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

Well?

March 10, 2011 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

..... I am assuming the "well" is for me? If so I am at work. I will respond afterwards. Uncle sam wants his money! ;-)

March 10, 2011 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Ok,
Genx It does happen quite a bit more than it should (which should be never). No, it is not illegal. That is what part of the Act was about, getting rid of the loophole that allowed insurers to discontinue coverage, or flat out deny coverage. If this wasn't being practiced, there wouldn't have been such a push for this to get done.
I stated before, I agree not enough was done to curb the skyrocketing price. That was a stupid move. I (believe it or not) do NOT like the "mandate" part of the Act either. But, I have no love for companies who have raked us over the coals for years. I actually would like to see a repeal of the "mandate" part of it, and let the insurance companies get a taste of the BS they put the American people through. But, it is not unconstitutional. It just isn't.
Matt, Firstly the constitution states this: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States" which basically says "congress can tax whatever the hell they want."
I do not disagree with your proposal though. Those sound like pretty logical ideas. It is too bad that the powers that be have become so entrenched that those proposals will probably never see the light of day. That gas tax would push me over the edge on getting a Chevy Volt though..... Man, I want one of those babies!

March 10, 2011 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Just curious, what does the length of a bill have to do with anything?

March 10, 2011 at 10:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Goodoleboy,

I think Democratic Congressman John Conyers from Michigan explains why the length of a bill matters. "I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill, what good is reading the bill if it’s thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

This is the point. They don't read them when they get that long. A lobbyist writes them, their leadership tells them to vote for them and they vote on them. No careful consideration of what they are doing, they just join hands and walk in lock step into the abyss.

March 11, 2011 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

Oh. My. God. I read the damn thing last summer when the tea party was throwing a fit over the bill that THEY did not read. I was not that long. It was boring as hell though. I read it because I was debating it so much with the uninformed that I figured I should read the whole damn thing instead of just looking up the pertinent parts.
If anything the righties were the ones walking lock step with what the tea party told them about the bill. Death panels? Funding for abortion? Coverage for illegal aliens? All lies to get the ignorant lock steppers ruled up. Please...

March 11, 2011 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Oh I get it now Oog. You are not just a liberal. You are a raging super, ultra, mega liberal. No point in debating anything with you because you appear to deal in the absolutes of your ideology.

Death panels, perhaps an inappropriate term for limiting or rationing of Medicare reimbursement for care given to people in the last 18 months of life because Medicare is spending .46 of every dollar they had on those folks. Funding for abortion, was going to be taken out of the original draft with the Stupak amendment (later replaced with a flimsy, revocable Presidential order) right before its passage. Coverage for illegal aliens was specifically targeted and clarified because of vague language in the first draft. So how can you say these were lies? Because someone brings these points up and demands clarification they are lying? Although, you may have a point since everyone in the process is a politician (No matter their stripes) there will be some lying in the proceedings. I am sure they will avoid calling it lying and use a more innocuous term like "terminological inexactitude" (Thank you Mr. Churchill) to excuse their behavior.

Because we see eye to eye on the Westboro cult I will try to find some middle ground. Right now (9:30am), we have $14,228,697,888,802 in national debt and $112,905,176,934,873 in unfunded liabilities. No amount of debate or ideological hubris can change this fact. I don't care if healthcare reform ultimately costs $5, we don't have the money to fund any of this because we fund, or say we fund every thing under the sun for an increasingly government dependent populace just to get their votes. They should have regulated health insurance companies first with levers for non-compliance that would pile on additional restrictions for various unfair practices.

There is a fair amount of ignorance out there on either side of the political spectrum. Your willingness to lob all of the ignorance at "righties" and tea party fit throwers when nobody (except you) claimed to read it in its entirety is pretty ignorant in itself.

It is my sincerest wish that you and my fellow posters have a great weekend. Enjoy!

March 11, 2011 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

allintogether

I think you got your data from www.usdebtclock.org.

It's scary stuff, especially when you do some comparisons (the tab going back to 2000, when there was a surplus). What's even more frightening is to see where we could wind up in 2015 if the spending at all levels (federal, state, and local) keep going up. The local debt has nearly doubled since 2000 and it will increase by another 400 billion by 2015 if we don't stop it. Local debt is basically bond issues for local projects (courthouses, the possibility we get a bond issed for rainwater runoff, etc.)

March 11, 2011 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Exactly netloafer. That is the reality. No conspiracy theories, no accounting or finance degree required to understand it, no amount of denial will affect those numbers in a positive way. We just keep printing money and promising the stars to get votes.

March 11, 2011 at 10:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

allintogether

It looks like a doomsday machine, with gears spinning so fast they can make you sick at your stomach. One of the trends that probably doesn't get much notice is the possible impact this has on personal spending. On that side, mortgage debt decreases and personal savings go down significantly as people flee the burden of mortgages and the government taxes increase, leaving less money for people to save. If these trends continue, and a lot of economists say they will, it could be that the age of consumerism is over and we'll be ushering in another era of government expansion.

March 11, 2011 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Netloafer,

It certainly does look like a doomsday machine. If we continue to print more money and keep up our lack of production of goods we can export to bolster the currency then we won't have to worry about saving money because it will be worthless or worth significantly less. It all falls apart if the rest of the world votes to get rid of the dollar as the world's reserve currency.

March 11, 2011 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I agree with you both, and have known that this once great Country was headed for ruin, the likes of which has never been seen in history and the U.S. will have noone to blame but the avaris of the wealthy individuals and corporations that are in complete control of governments and the complacency of people to accept what is handed to them, instead of demanding what is best and beneficial for the country and all of the people of the States and local governments and peoples !!

And local and State govt. leaders have morphed into a " Monkey See, Monkey Do " type of leadership, by following what the Federal Govt. and it puppet masters order them to do !

The people who " Monetarily ", with large sums of money, support ( Buy ) the Political Parties and Politicians are also the ones who Control the destiny of Countries, States, Counties, Cities and ultimately the lives of the people !

And if the U.S. keeps borrowing money from China, we had better all learn to speak 汉语, which means chinese !

March 11, 2011 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

My next comment is certainly off this threads particular topic, but since the thread religated to the topic of the RDA donation to the passanger rail service apparently does not allow comments, I will try and make my comment on this thread and hope this thread does not get censored ! So here goes !

The RDA donated a paultry $ 250 to the effort of getting Emporia on a list of passanger rail service stops of the proposed pasanger rail service from Kanas City to Oklahoma City !

Now, I know I am going to sound a bit negative toward the RDA, but why give only $250 dollars to a cause that could potentially be more beneficial to Emporia than $ 100, 000 " Rocks, Monuments, Memorials, Tombstones or what ever you wish to call them and the members of the RDA, CVB, EBF, MAINSTREET, etc., vehemently defended the decision to purchase the " Rocks " !

Now I would like to know how many private citizens of Emporia would be willing to donate ( invest ) $ 5.00 to the effort to bring R.R. passanger service, once again to Emporia !

After all the
+ Rail Road passanger service helped to build Emporia, bring people to Emporia and just may be crucial in rebuilding Emporia, again !!

I' ve got my $ 5.00 ready to donate !

The population of Lyon County is 33,601 and if everyone donated $5.00, the total would amount to $168,005 ! Of course if some one, wanted to give more or businesses wanted to donate more, that would work also !

JMO

March 11, 2011 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oograh (anonymous) says...

To respond to the statements made after mine. I agree something needs to be done about the debt/deficit. It would be nice if both the Democrats and the Republicans could pull their respective heads out of their butts and take the freaking chips off their sholders to get something beneficial done. So far, neither side is doing that. They both sit and point fingers or make up stupid bills that will go nowhere or fix nothing. I completely agree with you guys in that respect.
Meth, great statements! Both sides of the isle are so drunk with special interest monies that they can't stand up. Let alone stand up for the American people!
I for one would be willing to chip in $5.00 for something like your request. That would be a great way to put this city back on the map. Let's see if it gets anywhere.

March 11, 2011 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

oograh,

Thanks, if I get enough people interested in donating ! I will see what I can do about getting some sort of deposit into a savings or some sort of fund started or opened at one of the local banks, so people may make donations directly to some sort of R.R. passanger fund or such !

Does anyone know how to setup a pledge site on line, so I can get an idea as to how many people would be willing to donate to such a cause !!

Steve, how about you, my friend, do you feel like getting involved ? Seeing as you know me, give me a call or email me ? Or if you would like to spearhead such an effort, that would be fine with me ! I will help in any way I can !!

I have also found over the years, that if you ask people, instead of forcing people to either spend or donate money for something that will possibly benefit all Emporians, the people of Emporia will most likely respond quicker and happier than being forced to do so for something that is Wanted by a few people !

March 11, 2011 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Great idea, methusla. What a worthwhile cause, our own town.

I'm ready with my $5. Might even make it twice that. Keep me posted on where I can send it.

Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve....

March 11, 2011 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

If anyone would like to learn more about NFA, Northern Flyer Alliance, go to the following site,

http://northernflyeralliance.org/link...

and then click on nfa-final-presentation121709 and then on the next page click on nfa-final-presentation121709 ! And then on the page that opens, click OPEN and then on the next page, click Allow, this will cause the documents page to open , when you are done reading / studying the document, click esc to close the document page !

March 11, 2011 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create,

Thanks, I will keep you in mind and heart ! I just thought of this idea after reading about the pittance the RDA was willing to donate and the comments made by , you know who, and I quote " RDA chairman, said it looked like a longshot, but “if you don’t work at, it doesn’t have any chance.”

Hrrrrrumph, as if $ 100,000 worth of " Rocks " is not a loooong Shot !

As I said I just thought of the idea of the citizens of Emporia investing in their and the Citys future without the handouts of tax moneies to the various committees, boards, etc.

But I will make contact the Bank I do business with to see what needs to be done and what help they may offer ! After all I am a former stock holder of the Bank and have done businesses with them for quite a number of years !!

I will do my best to keep you and others informed !

I am tired of being forced to pay for things that, in my opinion are true " Long Shots " !!

March 11, 2011 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Oh, and I forgot to mention that on the http://northernflyeralliance.org/link...

one can click on any of the rescorces & links sites to learn more !

March 11, 2011 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Thanks methusla. I appreciate your efforts.

Yeah, I saw that quote too and thought pretty much the same thing you did. Such a pittance in one place and such a glut in the other. You'd think they would go farther and invite someone from Northern Flyer Alliance to Emporia to speak. I shrug my shoulders. It's as nice as I can be.

March 11, 2011 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )