Already in trouble for serving alcohol to minors, Desperado’s odds of keeping their liquor license may have gotten worse Thursday.
Emporia police ticketed three underage drinkers for possession of alcohol at the west Emporia bar shortly after midnight Thursday. A fourth person was cited for disorderly conduct stemming from a fight at the bar.
The state issued an order to revoke Desperado’s liquor license earlier this month. Jeannine Koranda, public information officer for the Kansas Department of Revenue, said the license was revoked because of multiple underage drinking violations.
The bar is still open and can remain so if they appeal. They will have to decide soon whether to appeal the decision of the Kansas Alcohol Beverage Control.
If Desperado’s, 802 Graham St., decides not to appeal, the bar will have to close in late July. A message to ABC asking whether an appeal has been filed was not immediately returned.
According to the police log and Municipal Court tickets, Leslie Calderon, Jonathan Spradlin and Ashley Marshall were cited for minor in possession of alcohol at Desperado’s between 12:02 and 12:36 a.m. Thursday. Calderon and Spradlin had Emporia addresses while Marshall is from El Dorado. All three are 20 years old with Calderon and Spradlin turning 21 soon.
At 12:55 a.m., there was a police report of disorderly conduct at the bar. Tanner Banks, 1005 Lakeview St., was cited for fighting. Banks is 21.
create (anonymous) says...
Sure sounds like Desperado's wasn't checking ID's. Either that or those kids had fake ID's. These kids know the law, they just don't give a damn. I say they should also pay Desperado's fine. Hit those kids so hard they may never have a spare buck to buy another drink again, ever again. Rotten. inconsiderate selfish little s o b's.
July 14, 2011 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scarlett01_98 (anonymous) says...
again??? geesshhh get better door people
July 14, 2011 at 6:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tourguide (anonymous) says...
Go ahead SHUT IT DOWN ! No big loss, Desperate Hoe's has been a hole for years. You can catch under age kids ( and other things ) anytime you want there We need a good Country Bar in town...
July 14, 2011 at 8:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
I remember being a college student at ESU. When under the age of 21, it was very easy to drink at the bars. If you didn't have a good relationship with the bartender, you simply found the nearest of-age person to buy your beverage. Also, all the students knew who the undercover ABC agents were. As soon as one of the agents walked in the front door, you would slide your drink in front of the nearest 21 year-old, and turn the other way. Perhaps the bars should be have an age requirement?
July 14, 2011 at 8:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
That said, I feel sorry for the bar owners in Emporia who have to put up with the fisfits. (i.e. Steve)
July 14, 2011 at 8:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slimbolen99 (anonymous) says...
This is nothing new. I have no idea why it's an issue now. Are the police finally not turning a blind eye to the issue? Because I can GUARANTEE underage drinking has been occurring at this, and other bars around town, for MANY MANY years.
They will end up changing ownership, but not management. I think if they get busted x amount of times, the LOCATION should be condemned as having a liquor license...not just the ownership. That would solve the problem pretty quickly.
July 14, 2011 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
I agree with slimbolen99. As I said, it's been going on for years. Why, now, the media? (And, I was a college student in the 90s.)
July 14, 2011 at 10:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
I have been an advocate of the "bucky beaver" law for years now .If our are taller than bucky you can ride this ride.An American man or woman can die for their country at the age of 18 and yet cannot have a drink legally until age 21. WHAT UP WITH THAT? get off your butt's kids and send a message to the old farts who think they are in charge. If you don't do it now, we are going to screw you. Until you do something about this, you are a bunch of lazy ingrates who do NOT deserve the rights of the country you were born in.
July 14, 2011 at 10:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Steve, I've lived in more than one city where you must be 21 years of age to enter the bar. I know, I know, it costs more for the ID-checker at the door. But, as a safety-net to you, would this be of benefit?
July 14, 2011 at 10:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Richie, you are right on the money as far as minors and bars in Emporia. The thing is if those minors organized as a voting block of 18+ voters, in one year they could change the drinking laws in the U.S. But I guess it is easier to just pay 10 dollars for a fake I.D. and go for it. Back in my day college students had a voice and the politicians listened. Now days you have no idea what fighting for your rights means. If what i am saying pi$$es you off, do something about it.
Put some effort into fighting for your rights. It's up to you.
July 14, 2011 at 10:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Richie (anonymous) says...
Oh, BTW Steve, I never entered your bar to drink as a minor. ;) Just Bruffs. :)
July 14, 2011 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Richie,
Until these young adults start acting like adults and fight for their rights as adults I will do everything I can to fight underage drinking. I may get stung once in a while by some 19-20 year old caught drinking in my bar. I'll be mad about it, and an employee will get fired for it, but as far as I am concerned, I feel really sorry for the dumb ass who found it easier to break a unjust law than to change it.
July 14, 2011 at 10:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Thank you to the Gazette for posting the names of these gnats. Please continue to post the names of every minor caught drinking underage in every liquor establishment in Emporia. Maybe they'll get the clue eventually. Steve I have had the same question popping into my head for years now. Army at 18, drinking at 21. Huh? When I went to Job Corps it was legal for me to smoke at 16 as per the Dept of Labors' policy there. I know many men and women in the armed forces that drink all the time because their commanders turn a blind eye. Who in their right mind can possibly ask someone to die for them, but not ask them to have a beer with them? oh right, politicians that never served our country, and never will along with all their children.
July 15, 2011 at 1:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Richie, Are you sure I never served you a shot or two, when you were a minor? Everyone slips up now and then, even this old man.
If bars only allowed 21 and older to enter, ESU and Emporia would suffer even more than now. Students and other young people need these social outlets.
I blame my fellow progressive thinkers like Teresa Walters and those mad mothers who feel the need to protect our 18-21 year old children from themselves.
In the last presidential election primary, there was only 1 candidate from both parties that had the gumption to state that 18 year olds were adults and could vote and die for their country and should be able to legally drink.
July 15, 2011 at 7:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Create,
Let me try to explain the bar business here in town. These bars that cater to the college age crowd actually make the most money at the door. Most charge 21year olds a buck or two cover charge but under 21 pay up to five bucks to get in. It can be pretty lucrative. Of course when a bar does this they are taking the chance that underage drinking may happen. And we were all that age once so we know it does happen.
Over the years the powers that be showed just enough enforcement of the age laws to show some effort. At the same time they were careful not to be overly aggressive in enforcing it. If they did, even more ESU students would load up and leave on the weekends for the greener pastures of Manhattan and Lawrence.
It is still my belief that if these young adults would exercise their voting rights, this drinking age problem would disappear over night.
July 15, 2011 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Good name for the place. Desperado or desesperado, is spanish for lawbreaker/outlaw . Desperado' s is just the plural, more than one outlaw/lawbreaker.
This particular bar has had several names over the years, but the reputation has always been pretty much the same, no matter what name it has been given.
As I said, the name suits the place, well.
July 15, 2011 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Well, well, perhaps we are finally getting down to the real root cause of Emporia' s problem.
That being, the " powers that be " are so money, cash, booty, samolian, greenback, no matter how you say it, oriented and greedy they are willing to turn a blind eye, when it suits them, to not fully enforcing the laws that are and have been laws for many years.
I may be wrong, but isn' t the drinking age law, a State law, not a City or County law ?
And if the legal drinking age were to be lowered, just how " low do you go " , 20, 19, 18, 17, 16 ?
And if the legal drinking age were lowered, how will that stop underage drinking in bars, etc., if the law is/will not be strictly enforced and very stiff/high fines are not imposed on both the bar owner and the law breakers/drinkers or their parents/guardians ?
If laws are not going to be enforced, to the letter of the law then, either get rid of the law, no matter if it will cost someone some money to do so.
July 15, 2011 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks for the explanation, Steve.
Who owns Desperado's anyway? I'm thinking of this one guy who used to own most of the coin operated pool tables and juke boxes in town. Never did like him.
July 15, 2011 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Glitterbird (anonymous) says...
I agree - either change the fighting age to 21 or the drinking age to 18.
If the kids had fake ID's how is the bar to know? I remember having some really good ones. :)
July 15, 2011 at 8:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lovemylittletown (anonymous) says...
I guess I don't agree with putting 100% of the blame with the bartenders or bar owners. I have frequented many of the drinking establishments in emporia for almost 20 years now. On a weekend night (or when I was in college Wed-Sat) some of these places are packed....it takes one person over 21 to purchase drinks and hand them around with the bartenders not having a clue it has even happend. It's been this way since I was 19 and I am sure well before then. You can pay extra bouncers yes, but when they are contstantly checking ID's you start running off customers. You can make your bar age 21 to enter but again, most college kids are getting close to graduating by the time they are 21-22! ESU would suffer. Let's be realistic here, for the majority of kids going to college this is part of the experience. You don't have to agree with or like it but that is reality. If you continue to punish the kids that are breaking the law word will get around and they will 1.) stop going to the bars to drink or 2.) get sneakier about doing it and maybe buy a quick shot instead of walking around with a beer! But lay more blame on the ones breaking the law and not the underpaid bartender/bar owner who probably never sold them that drink in the first place. JMO!!!! =)
July 15, 2011 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
methusla, in answer to your question about how far to drop the drinking age, I would suggest the following model:
Germany has three drinking ages.
At 14 - minors are allowed to consume and possess undistilled (fermented) alcoholic beverages, such as beer and wine, as long as they are in the company of their parents.
At 16 - undistilled drinks are allowed without a parent.
At 18 - having become adults, people are allowed access to distilled liquor.
Because of moral panic involving alcohol abuse among minors (a 16-year-old boy died after having consumed 52 shots of tequila in a bar in early 2007), some Germans began to demand that the drinking age be raised. Most politicians, however, spoke against that notion, pointing out instead that such abuse already was forbidden according to current laws, which simply needed to be enforced.
In Germany and the rest of Europe, unlike the United States, alcohol consumption by adolescents is traditional and generally accepted.
While in Europe years ago I never saw any visibly intoxicated kids. But I did see a lot of them drinking beer and wine. If we didn't treat drinking as a problem it probably wouldn't be.
July 15, 2011 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Create, I don't want to publicly mention any names on here for that. It is listed as
Desparados Inc. on the states data base.
Try this link for all Drinking Establishments in Lyon County.
https://www.kdor.org/abc/licensee/Sea...
July 15, 2011 at 10:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Use the drop downs for Drinking Establishment.
July 15, 2011 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
booker5m (anonymous) says...
I have always felt the old farts should fight and die. If you are not atleast 40 you cant enter the service. Like it has been said old the people start wars and the young have to die. Wonder how many wars there would be if an old dude had to fight them?
July 15, 2011 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fedupwithcomments (anonymous) says...
ahh...the trials and tribulations of being underage. At what point does the term "underage" stop applying? I see signs in convenient stores that say if you look under 30 you will be carded...for cigarettes! Just 20 short years ago...in many towns all over Kansas...I was 16...could buy cigs, alcohol and get wasted at almost every bar I walked in to...the laws were still the same then as they are now...18 to buy cigs, 21 to buy alcohol...did not stop me from voting at 18 OR from getting a DUI at 21...OR getting and staying sober at 24! Point is...just because there is the law and people get busted for it...does NOT stop it from occurring unless the people selling have big enough fines to be responsible and the youth are educated about HOW to be RESPONSIBLE instead of ABSTINENCE only programs. I am the mother of an 18yo...I do not condone breaking the law, however, I have to remember where I came from and share that openly....I am certain there are no saints in Emporia!
July 15, 2011 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hometownkid (anonymous) says...
So how many 911 calls have been placed from this place since 2005 ?? And how in the world does the city keep renewing the liquor license here but not at the dugout??
Maybe it's time for desperado's ( same owner as cowboy palace that got shut down for underage drinking by the way ) to be closed for good. No more liquor licenses at this location I say.
July 15, 2011 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tourguide (anonymous) says...
Well Im trying to think of a state that allows an 18yr. old to drink legal. I grew up in CA. and I have an office in Chicago, Nashville, Santa Fe Springs, CA.&. Carlisle, Pa. A nation wide limit should be set a followed. Just because you are a student doesn't mean get drunk on weekends.
July 15, 2011 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Steve,
I know that much younger people are allowed to drink in most of the European Countries. But not many know that this was actually started or allowed during the latter stages of WW I . The amount of carnage, both human and animal that took place during WW I and WW II actually destroyed and poluted so much of the natural water supply that beer, wine and spirits were just about the only safe thing to drink in most European country for years. And therefore it did become somewhat of a tradition to drink Beer, wine and other spirits .
However, as you said, these " children " were only allowed to consume as you said Beer, wine at a certain age, etc., but only in the company of a parent, both parents. So one would assume the responsibility of child drinking therefore effectively rested with the parent/parents and they would therefore be the ones held liable by law for the consequences of letting a child drink until they were drunk. But, if the parent is an alcoholic, then that situation would also be a problemsome one .
So where to you draw the proverbial drinking age line.
July 15, 2011 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks, Steve. I found it.
July 15, 2011 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wyankee49 (anonymous) says...
Hey!! Booker5m, What the hell are you trying to say I'm a old dude and I didn't start anything, I'm so old that I can't understand what your're trying to say. Explain Please!!!!!
July 15, 2011 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
pnkgurl06 (anonymous) says...
I have to say that I hope that they close it down. As for the drinking age/voting age/going into service age, it has always been a debate for years. Just because you turn 18 and get the right to vote or joint he military does not mean you should be able to drink. I have talked to older generations about this, including my own parents, and the law was changed for a good reason. I honestly agree that the place should be shut down as well as any other bar that presents liquor to any minors.
In fact when I was underage, I went into the bar, the guy at the door, "checked my idea" but was dumb enough to say that I could drink. I was 2 years from turning 21. Now that was a problem. I did not drink, but the bar did get shut down there in Emporia. Maybe more bars should be shut down and more places opened so that college students as well as citizens of Emporia can go somewhere without always having a beer in hand.
July 16, 2011 at 2:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Steve, I firmly believe that when it comes to sex and alcohol, America is the laughing stock of the world.
July 16, 2011 at 3:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
pnkgurl06,
I respect your right to your opinion. It would seem that you are a non-drinker type of person, that's all and good. But I must disagree with you. At 18 you are LEGALLY an adult in all respects except this one. If not 18 than what? 21? How about 35?
Your other point of shutting down more bars and opening "other places" so college students and others don't have to have a beer in hand is a false premise.
The majority want to be able to have a drink if they want to. Non drinkers and minors still have the choice to go into MOST bars in Emporia and NOT drink. There are several coffee places to gather if you are not a drinker. There are things to do in Emporia without the beer in hand.
My bar serves lot's of non-alcoholic drinks, we just don't allow under 21 in. It's my business choice because I know the hassles involved.
Let's put the "blame" if that's what you want to call it squarely on the shoulders of who deserves it, the underage drinkers.
If young adults want the right to attend these venues and experience the "right of passage into adulthood", I would suggest the first right they exercise, is the right to vote. Vote and change the law. If every 18-21 year old in the country demanded it, it would happen.
Matt,
agree with you 100%. There seems to be a growing perception in this town that "bars" are just problems, not businesses. Some businesses may have problems, all of them are just trying to get by.
July 16, 2011 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Getting ready to send off an old friend and ex-bar owner this morning. I would tell people I always looked up to him, but he was too short.
He really knew how to run a bar.
Rest In Peace GUNDY.
July 16, 2011 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Yes, he did. That little rascal really knew his stuff and I fully believe it was his terrific personality that did it. I don't think he ever had one enemy, not one. He knew what people wanted and he was able to provide it, way back during the heyday of the railroaders with lots of bucks to spend.
Yeah, you're right, Steve, he was a little guy. But man could he hold his booze and he had clout too. I remember one time when a fight had erupted. He got right up on top of that bar and stood there pumping his fists and yelling at the guy who usually started every bar fight in town back then. ******, you get outta here, right now! Get out!!! GD you you stupid sunnofa***.
He's up there right now with Al and Big John the Baker discussing the day and telling jokes.
July 16, 2011 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Didn't know about Gundy, sorry to hear that, he was a heck of a nice guy.
July 16, 2011 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
create, i am surprised you knew him, but I know, like me, You were better for it. He taught me a lot about the biz. it was kind of a,amazing listening to some of the younger people tell stories about the Gundy they knew , verses the one we old timers knew, If we were to combine them all, It would probably be a best selling book.
July 16, 2011 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
booker5m (anonymous) says...
Very nice guy! Was sorry to hear of his passing
July 16, 2011 at 9:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
speaking of booze and stuff related, try this:
Make two Margaritas with one extra lime
Dump it into a marinade bowl and add
1/2 cup olive oil
2-3 cloves minced garlic
one or two minced green onions
1 Tab chili powder
1 Tab minced cilantro
1 tsp. cumin
About a teaspoon salt. I use coarse salt because I just like it.
Pour over 6 boneless chicken breast. Marinate for 2-3 hours then grill.
Discard the marinade afterwards. For goodness sakes don't drink it. Just make two new Margaritas for yourself and best bud.
Really good.
July 17, 2011 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hottopics (anonymous) says...
I remember when I turned 18 and was allowed to drink in a bar. Then they changed it to 19 by July 1st. I didn't make the cut and had to wait till 21 while my husband at the time could and did drink.
If they can die for this country, they deserve a drink. But if they drink and drive.....then they should pay. Heh we survived the 80's. Next thing they will move the age up to 25, then 30. They are still the same at 18 as they are at 21 in my opinion.
July 18, 2011 at 12:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Adolescent brains do not stop growing until age 22 or 23. This is one of the reasons why teens make such horrendous choices and give little thought to consequences. Yes, they fight for their country at 18, but military men and women that age are taught to respond, respond, respond. They don't lead and they don't ordinarily make big important decisions that affect others.
July 18, 2011 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
create,
from the Oxford Companion to the Body:
adolescence
The period of transition from childhood to adulthood. Although sometimes described as beginning in parallel with fertility or puberty and ending with maturity and independence, adolescence has a very variable and imprecise duration. The onset of adolescence cannot be pinpointed in physiological terms, although it is influenced by the same sex hormones and refers to the same general period as physical sexual development. It represents a complex and sometimes disturbing psychological transition, accompanying the requirement for the accepted social behaviour of the particular adult culture.
— Stuart Judge
I would put to you, that it is not the fact that brains don't stop growing until age 22 or 23 that drives the drinking age debate. It is the societal behaviour of others who feel that if the brain is not fully grown, the owner of that brain cannot make rational judgments. I would say that the biggest development of the brain comes from experiences of that individual adolescent. A HUGE part of that, is the active social scene for "kids" from 15 through 23.
I would also like to say that 18 year old active duty service members whether in training or fighting make everyday decisions that affect the lives of their whole unit and those in it.
It is people like Teresa Walters and her buddies that have helped dumb down a childs decision making process by protecting them from it.
You can only tell an infant reaching for that candle "NO, HOT", so many times.
At some time they have to get burned to really learn it.
Again JMO
July 18, 2011 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Boom (anonymous) says...
When im 18 you can put a gun in my hand and send me across seas... But when im 18 you can put a shot in my hand and tell me to drink?
July 18, 2011 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Boom (anonymous) says...
you can't i meant
July 18, 2011 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scarlett01_98 (anonymous) says...
boom.
when it was allowed, way back when, at 18 you could drink 3.2 beer. not liquor. that has always been 21
and this debate was going on in the 60's
July 18, 2011 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
scarlett01_98 (anonymous) says...
actually, this was the exact debate in the late 60's or early 70's. the vietnam war .
July 18, 2011 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
I say if we are so for "protecting the children" then the age for drivers should be thrown up to 18. I know at 16 my friends and i had one train of thought regarding vehicles, louder, more power, and FASTER! As i drive down the street i know that mindset was not unique to just my friends and I. Twice this week i've almost been run off the street by racing kids or texters. This is in a vehicle folks, we worry about their drinking? How many accidents a day are there involving vehicles? I'll bet a paycheck that most of those accidents per day involve children 15-17 years old that are not mentally capable of caution. I think drinking age is in the same boat as vehicle age. 18. The politicians worry about the few and far between issues involving 18-20 year olds drinking, i worry about the daily issue of 15-17 year olds driving!
July 19, 2011 at 12:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
This debate will never end. My own opinion regarding the still growing young brain is based on my reading of many scientific studies because of requirements in my position as a high school teacher.
As someone who has taught teen agers for many years, I wanted to understand why they think the way they do. I have also taken classes in how the young brain learns. The drinking age debate certainly did enter into the published journal writings of many psychologists and psychiatrists.
Years ago, I had to attend several workshops relative to frontal brain injury of a teenager because a teen who had sustained frontal brain injury in a car wreck was going to be in one of my classes. I learned so much about how the brain works, how the young teen brain works, and how the young INJURED brain works. It's quite amazing how little we know until we start to look at specifics.
I am coming from my own practical experience in working with teens and all that I learned and read about, not just a definition.
I don't mean to come across as being so pragmatic, but I have learned a great deal, enough to even question why we allow teens to drive a car. Romano, you are right about that.
July 19, 2011 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
If I owned a newspaper, I would have one of my reporters write an in-depth article about the subject of teen drinking. I would have that reporter interview psychologists and psychiatrists as well as the counselors of every high school in the area.
Would it change people's minds? Maybe a few, but overall, No. Every study I have ever read, and many have been published in regular newspapers and magazines. Yet people still pose the question, "If we can send them to war at 18, why can't we let them drink?"
July 19, 2011 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
I found this article very interesting. BTW, I do love a margarita now and then, but I don't drink to excess and always with food.
"Your body on a Margarita"
http://fitbie.msn.com/eat-right/your-...
July 19, 2011 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
create,
You are correct that this debate will never end. In the meantime there will be thousands of 18-21 year olds arrested for underage drinking nationwide. Arrested, ticketed, not much difference, it goes on their record. (Forever).
No answer will satisfy everyone. We'll just have to keep going with our hypocritical ways of doing things as always. At least until those 18-21 year olds exercise their voting rights and change the laws. It's up to them, not we old timers.
July 20, 2011 at 6:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
create,
This doesn't have much to do with this story, but I would like to ask you a hypothetical question.
If you owned a bar in Emporia and Mslater came in with a couple of his buddies from his unit, (back here on leave), that were under 21, would you serve them a drink?
July 20, 2011 at 6:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EmporiaRocks (anonymous) says...
Steve,
Would you?
July 20, 2011 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
2 or 3
July 20, 2011 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )