Sound Off - Repeal in-state tuition for illegal immigrants?
Thursday, February 10, 2011
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Do you think the Kansas Legislature should repeal the law allowing children of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at state colleges?
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- No
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Sound Off - Post your comments below
Do you think the Kansas Legislature should repeal the law allowing illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at state colleges?
Background
Critics seek repeal of Kan. immigrant tuition law
Opponents of a law allowing some illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition at Kansas colleges and universities renewed their push Tuesday to end the policy, encouraged by a political shift in the state House and support from a new secretary of state.
But doubts remained about whether a bill repealing the state's 2004 immigrant tuition law can clear the Senate, and new Gov. Sam Brownback hasn't taken a position.
The House Federal and State Affairs Committee began considering a repeal bill on Tuesday, hearing from Kansans who argue the state policy violates federal law, encourages illegal immigration and is unfair to out-of-state and foreign students at Kansas colleges and universities.
Witnesses included Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Kansas City-area law professor on leave who once unsuccessfully challenged the state law in federal court. He helped draft a law enacted in Arizona last year, empowering police to question anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally and has become a national figure for advising city officials and legislators in other states wanting to crack down on illegal immigration.
Kobach, a Republican, received 59 percent of the vote in last year's election. Also, Republicans increased their majority in the House, and many of the 33 new GOP members are sympathetic to the tea party movement. The freshmen include Rep. Caryn Tyson, of Parker, the leading sponsor of the bill to repeal the immigrant tuition law.
"It was a major issue in my campaign," Tyson said, adding that other GOP freshmen he's spoken with also are "on board."
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
" illegal immigrants " The key word here is "ILLEGAL". Shouldn't even be a question of in state or out of state tuition! They shouldn't be there in the first place! It should only be In State or Out of State Deportation!
February 10, 2011 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble
good one!
February 10, 2011 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Applause, Applause, rabblerouser !
Brownback is going to be the major problem in the repeal of this bill !!
February 10, 2011 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
booker5m (anonymous) says...
So will one of our local state reps.
February 10, 2011 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gg (anonymous) says...
Our great country has enough problems without taking on rejects of other countrys when they arrive within our borders ILLEGALLY! If here legally that is a whole different ball of wax.
Do we as a nation now decide which laws to enforce? A law is a law, if we would enforce our immigaration laws currently on the books we would not even be having this conversation.
February 10, 2011 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Might as well take their money while they're here, right? Take all their money before deporting them! Don't you have to have a SSN to apply for college?
'enry
February 10, 2011 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
railroadhorn (anonymous) says...
I support in-state tuition for students living here illegally. I believe a college education is an incentive to gaining legal residency. Sometimes it might just be a student visa problem. With the push for more foreign students at ESU, I think we should keep our options open.
February 10, 2011 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
Illegal means just that, illegal. I wish they would deport everyone here illegally, not make it more convienent and comfortable for them.
February 10, 2011 at 11:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
If they are illegal then they are illegal. Why is this even an issue? Illegal means prohibited by law. Why the heck would this be allowed now? If we know they are illegal....ship them out and make them go through the process to become legal and then we can discuss what to do with their tuition.
February 10, 2011 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
photobuggy2 (anonymous) says...
Whats the use of becoming legal if everything is given to them while they are still illegal?
If your not here legally then go HOME!
February 10, 2011 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
railroadhorn:
Even if a student visa expires, a student can stay in the U.S. and study; as long as they are a full time student.
A student visa problem (after a visa has been approved by the DHS and Department of State and the student is approved and admitted to a US school) sounds a lot like a student who did not attend school full time or took 5+ months away from school and remained in the country.
In that case, they should go back to their home country and reapply for another student visa.
I don't think a college education is an "incentive to gaining legal residency." You're not giving them an incentive to gain legal residency. You're giving them an incentive to break more laws (working illegally after college graduation).
And, it certainly isn't fair to students who follow the law, get the proper visa and have to pay above-and-beyond the cost of in-state tuition.
If a person can attend college and afford to pay tuition, they are also smart enough and have enough money to obtain the necessary legal documents to attend school legally.
February 10, 2011 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...
Let me see if I understand this. If a tax-paying, LEGAL, US Citizen is from out of state, he/she has to pay out-of-state tuition. If a non-tax-paying, ILLEGAL, non-US citizen is from out-of-state (country), he/she pays in-state tuition. What's wrong with this picture?
We're supposed to be working on removing the incentives that are attracting these ILLEGAL immigrants, not creating more reasons for them to come.
February 10, 2011 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
newtoemporia
Not sure that I understand your statement.
"And it certainly isn't fair to students who follow the law, get the proper visa and have to pay above and beyond the cost of in-state tuition"
Case in point
Residents of the state pay taxes which are suppsed to pay for education in this state, therefore we in-state tax payers should not have to pay the same as out of state.
10/12 yrs. ago we lived in Okla. Our daughter was born here and we owned property and paid taxes here, yet she couldn't attend a Ks. college without paying out of state tuition.
An illegel getting in-state tuition or anything else but jail time or deportment is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us that have, and continue to pay our dues.
February 10, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
Correct. Some universities will charge a US citizen, who lives in another state, standard tuition. (A higher cost than in-state tuition).
Some universities will also charge an international student (who's here legally, with a student visa) standard tuition.
So, it's completely wrong for a university to allow someone who is here illegally:
a. the ability to attend the university
b. the ability to pay in-state tuition
February 10, 2011 at 12:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
newtoemporia
a. correct
They are illegal
b. correct
They are illegal
February 10, 2011 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
b3bill (anonymous) says...
tbluma wrote "An illegel getting in-state tuition or anything else but jail time or deportment is nothing but a slap in the face to those of us that have, and continue to pay our dues."
AMEN!!!!
Why should I pay tax money that helps support universities here in Kansas, and then have some illegal even have the opportunity to attend there?
There are already established methods for obtaining proper authorization to go to school in the US, or obtaining citizenship. If that is refused, the individual refusing is in violation of our laws and is deserving of jail time or deportation.
February 10, 2011 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
It all boils down to the term "illegal." They should not be allowed to attend, period.
I agree with Henry. How did they obtain a required social security number? Perhaps at a time when number crunching and dollars are so important, are colleges and universities looking the other way?
I'm surprised this legislation doesn't attract the feds with the Patriot Act. I seem to remember that a couple of those 9-11 terrorists were here on student visas.
February 10, 2011 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
tbluma -
I was responding to another member and just saw your comment to me.
What I was trying to say, it isn't fair for an international student to pay higher tuition, when they are here legally and have the proper documentation.
And, it certainly isn't fair for a US citizen to pay out-of-state tuition. All the while, an illegal is able to attend college at a reduced rate.
I totally agree with you.
February 10, 2011 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
We let illegal immigrants go to college?
February 10, 2011 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodjoss (anonymous) says...
You people (I hate saying that, but the vitriol in this conversation is overwhelming) simply don't get it.
If it's so important to get rid of non-us citizen children, then kick them out of the elementary and secondary schools - Oh, Wait - THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The Kansas constitution says if they have 2 feet on the ground in the borders of Kansas, they get to go to school. Period. Like a doctor, we will not turn anyone away.
These aren't people with expired visas... They are the children of illegals and literally - they have no country. They speak english - and since they will have no memory of the country they were born in they are as American as anyone here.
They can't help their situation. It's not their fault. Their parents only want a better life for them.
PLUS (and this is a BIG Plus) - They have to have documentation that they ARE PURSUING CITIZENSHIP BEFORE THE LAW APPLIES.
It's not a case of "oh, you have so social security number, no birth certificate - hey! you get in-state tuition!"
They have to COMPLETE 3 YEARS in a Kansas High School. They have to PROVE they are pursuing citizenship.
They are more Kansan than many who pride themselves with that title.
Go ahead - keep showing your ignorance... or find out the real ramifications of your 'sound-bite' philosophy.
February 10, 2011 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
Who wrote the article for The Gazette?
Omit facts and then ask someone for their opinion.
Thanks for the additional information, goodjoos. You can't blame the kids, but what about the parents?
Here's an article in the Feb. 08th online edition of the KC star ... with a little more information on the topic.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/08/...
February 10, 2011 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Gosh, where was everybody when they passed this law in 2004?
In state tuition?
out of state tuition?
It's all too high !
Go to votech and become a welder, plumber or electrician. That's where the money is.
February 10, 2011 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
goodjoss--
You're absolutely right. It is not their fault that they are illegal. It is their parents that made that choice for them. Unfortunately for them, they are still....illegal. They need to go through the proper channels to become citizens.
If they were born here, then they are legal citizens and would qualify, regardless of whether their parents are legal.
There are lots of parents who make poor choices for their kids, some out of love, some out of need, some out of want. Regardless of the reason, it doesn't make it legal.
I don't understand what you don't comprehend about the term "illegal". Why they are illegal is of no relevance.
February 10, 2011 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Goodjoss, you're right, it is not their fault if they are illegal. However, just because their parents brought them here makes no difference. Illegal is illegal. We are a country of laws.
Now they must join the great numbers of people from countries all over the world who want to come here to become citizens. But those people are making applications as they are expected to do. Why should those who are here illegally cut in line? Seems grossly unfair.
What would happen if everyone came here illegally and brought their children with them?
I question why you would defend something that is illegal.
And please don't patronize those who post here as "you people." And don't call us stupid again.
February 10, 2011 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
newtoemporia,
That was a good article. Thanks for posting the link. What the KS Sec. of State says makes the most sense:
"Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, one of the law’s loudest opponents, noted that foreign students living in the U.S. on a student visa aren’t eligible for the tuition break, but undocumented residents are.
“If you’re breaking federal law, you’re eligible for in-state tuition, but if you follow federal law, too bad, you don’t get the benefit,” he said. “To me that’s shocking.”
It's shocking to me too.
February 10, 2011 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
Exactly, create. That was the point I was trying to make earlier, but I couldn't get my fingers and my brain to work together to make a logical point!!
On the flip side: Upon learning more about the law, the students are required to work towards citizenship, in order to attend college. I'm okay with that section of the law. The kids aren't to blame and they are working towards their citizenship.
However, the parents should return to their home country and re-enter the US legally.
And, in my opinion, in-state tuition should be for US citizens only. There's a reason why international students pay higher tuition. So, if we allow the other students (who are here illegally because of their parents, but are working towards citizenship) to attend college, they should also pay higher tuition.
February 10, 2011 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
apierich (anonymous) says...
I do understand that if they fit in the guidelines set forth that their family has been paying taxes, even if just sales taxes and not yearly taxes or payroll taxes, which may pay for part of the difference between the in-state, out-of-state, and out-of-coutry tuitions. Here is my question though, where does all the money that is going into the colleges come from? Is it all from state sales tax? If the answer is no then they should pay more than those whose parents are in this state legally and pay the taxes that go into the state funding of the university. The reason that the out-of-state tuition and out-of-country tuition are different is because even if you are from out-of-state some of your family's federal tax dollars are sent to the public universities to pay for the upkeep but if you are not even from this country and don't pay in U.S. taxes you have to pay your share if you want to use the university.
Another question, is this law applicable to privately funded Universities that don't take federal or state money? I don't know if there are any that are truly autonomous in this state as I have always been a state university girl myself, but if it's the case it just doesn't seem fair to them at all.
February 10, 2011 at 7:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
booker5m (anonymous) says...
Seal both borders north and south. Have those that are here pay fine and apply for citizenship within 3 years and if no criminal records other than being here illegal. Most of the problems will be solved. I sure there are those who wont like this but no way you can deport all that are here. And by sealing I mean take whatever measures needed
February 10, 2011 at 7:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodjoss (anonymous) says...
It seems to me that most people posting in this thread have an issue with the 'illegal' part of the immigration issue. It also seems to me that most people posting in this thread are OK with immigration if it's 'legal" immigration.
Ask yourself that right now... it that a correct assumption? Is that the way you feel? Will you welcome immigrants to this country if they 'follow the rules' to gain citizenship?
Then why, I ask, do you want to take away one of the avenues for undocumented immigrants to gain productive citizenship and contribute positively to our society?
You say: GET A VISA! COME HERE WITH DOCUMENTS!
Well, THIS is ONE of the LAWS that ALLOWS them to GET DOCUMENTATION AND BE A LEGAL CITIZEN! (I wish I could italicize)
AND get a college education, to boot!
And you want to TAKE IT AWAY?!?
W.T.F.!?!
OK - Mom & Dad made a mistake risking their lives to illegally cross the border in search of a better life... But they want to make it right and applied for and now hold worker visas (aren't they called 'green cards'?) Junior, on the other hand, is too young to work so can't get the card. Junior is an excellent student and is pushed to the college track in HS.
Are we really suggesting that the moment these kids turn 18 we send I.N.S. knocking on their door and DEPORT THEM?!?
That sound like some kind of gestapo state that, frankly, I'm not interested in participating in. Please don't get me wrong - if illegals aren't interested in pursuing citizenship and only want to bleed our society, then kick them out.
But if they want to be AMERICANS... LEGAL AMERICANS. Let them, I say!
The only thing this law does is create FEWER illegal aliens and MORE productive American citizens! Isn't that what we want?
This is a GOOD LAW, and I would encourage all of you to call Senator Longbine, Representative Hill and Representative Mast and voice your support for encouraging avenues to LEGAL CITIZENSHIP.
February 11, 2011 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
goodjoss--
The point I was trying to make is that regardless of why, they are still illegal. If they go through the proper channels to become legal, then I have no problem with them.
However, I do have a problem with a law that allows them to pay less than the already legal citizens of the U.S. Why do they get a bonus for their parents wrong doing and why do the legal people get penalized for doing it right in the first place? Common sense tells you that is a backwards way of thinking.
You can make arguments that they system to become legal is flawed and I would agree. However, we aren't talking about that. We are talking about already ILLEGAL people getting preferential treatment over LEGAL people. If you think that is right, then I don't want you participating with us either.
February 11, 2011 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
yev_kassem: Amen. Beside you 110%
goodjoos-
"Mom & Dad made a mistake risking their lives to illegally cross the border in search of a better life... But they want to make it right and applied for and now hold worker visas (aren't they called 'green cards'?)"
My ancestors also risked their lives (crossing an ocean) in search of a better life. The only difference: They stood in line at Ellis Island to become citizens. They followed the law to make a better life.
If these kids are allowed to attend college b/c they have applied for citizenship: Fine.
But, I still have a HUGE problem with their parents crossing a border illegally. "But if they want to be AMERICANS... LEGAL AMERICAN" ...
take the legal steps before you cross the border.
And, don't given them a tuition break. They aren't (yet) legal residents of the State of Kansas.
February 11, 2011 at 9:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Goodjoss, Typically, posters who meet with opposition immediately start using terms like gestapo. Name calling violates the rules of the Gazette web site.
What don't you understand about living in a country that honors the rule of law?
It can't be any more simple than the fact that these people arrived here illegally. Now they want to decide to make things right after they've been here all these years. What were these people doing all this time?
Why should someone who is breaking a federal law be given a lower rate of tuition? Why should they be allowed to cut in line when others who want to bring their children here from other countries must wait? Why should they be given this privilege when students who are here LEGALLY on student visas must pay out-of-state tuition?
Sorry goodjoss, you support breaking the law. You are wrong. If you don't like living in a gestapo state, leave.
This is a BAD law because it is unfair to people who wish to go to school legally. I encourage everyone to contact Senator Longbine, Representative Hill and Representative Mast. Voice your opinions, I did.
http://www.repdonhill.org/dd-formmail...
peggy.mast@house.ks.gov
jlongbine@longbineauto.com
February 11, 2011 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
One more thing ...
"if illegals aren't interested in pursuing citizenship and only want to bleed our society, then kick them out."
Forget about bleeding our society. If illegals aren't interested in pursuing citizenship before they cross the US border, then deport them.
And, for someone who knows so much about immigration: INS isn't going to knock on someone's door. INS dissolved in 2003. It's DHS (Department of Homeland Security).
February 11, 2011 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EmporiaRocks (anonymous) says...
I thought it was USCIS?
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
February 11, 2011 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newtoemporia (anonymous) says...
USCIS is an agency within the DHS. When INS was abolished in 2003, the DHS was created. There are three agencies within the DHS - USCIS, ICE and CBP.
THe USCIS processes citizenship, residency and aslyum requests.
ICE - investigates immigration violations and enforces deportation.
CBP - protects our borders.
February 11, 2011 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodjoss (anonymous) says...
I get it... I understand the difference in opinion, and I'll admit - I should probably take a softer tone in my post.
I guess I want us to not make laws in order to make a perfect (an IMO unatainable perfection) society. We cannot seal the border and no amount of money can (think drug war, etc.)
I like the laws to fix the problems we have as we experience our society.
People will cross the border regardless of our laws. Penalize them.
Not the kids. Many speak only english and have only known life in Kansas. I think penalizing them in that way is cruel.
I don't feel like I'm supporting breaking the law any more than Boston Harbor in 1773 (Tea Act).
Can we blame the driver for Toyota's defective brakes?
In that way, I cannot blame the children, either. In my view, they've lived their whole lives in Kansas - They're just as "resident" as anyone. The paperwork is a detail (a critical detail, I realize - but they are trying to fix that detail and make it right)
The rest is just semantic.
February 11, 2011 at 11:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Exactly who are these illegal people anyway? Maybe the decedents of illegal, murderous, thieving Europeans should be provided a history lesson for FREE.
A Spanish expedition accidentally discovered the new world as they were looking for a better route to exploit Asia. Once discovered, all of Europe began to fight over this new world and it's spoils with a total disregard for the indigenous people or their rights. Europeans killed the men, raped the women and enslaved the children as they hauled the treasures of the new world back to their perspective homelands. Each established colonies in the new world and continued to exploit the people and resources here. The European conquistadors cared not for immigration law or what is right. They considered their actions to be divine providence or manifest destiny. The Europeans were stealing anything of value in the new world and routing it to the European market. While they were fighting and killing each other over their loot, the indigenous people of the new world continued to practice their religious beliefs and follow ancient trade routes of North, Central and South America. Today, the European colonists are still fighting among themselves over imaginary lines draw an their maps and believe that the indigenous peoples are somehow violating their modern laws. But, it is the white man who is in violation of the laws of the new world and so a great cleansing is coming and the land will rid itself of your map lines, laws and unsustainable way of life.
February 11, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justaflushaway (anonymous) says...
goodjoss,, how about shipping them all back, kids and all. time to take America back and get in control of laws, and crossing the border can be stopped, you just may not like it... you will next be whining about the poor children going to school hungry, well that is the beginning of all this, SHIP THEM BACK IF THEY ARE HERE ILLEGAL, no matter where they are from, japan, asia, mexico, where ever, these is a correct way to come to the United States, and you know how it is, and YES before you give me your little winnie crap about how did my family get here, they did it the RIGHT WAY,
And for the kids speaking English GOOD!, when they go back to mexico they will be able to get jobs teaching English to those who WANT to come to America the correct way...WE DO SPEAK ENGLISH IN THE UNITED STATES, and WE FLY THE AMERICAN FLAG...I encourage everyone to contact Senator Longbine, Representative Hill and Representative Mast. tell them to repeal this law and start enforcing all the laws on the books regarding illegals, and then get rid of the law giving their kids who are born here citizenship, This country is the only one in the world that does that, what idiot came up with that one!
February 11, 2011 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodjoss (anonymous) says...
Wow - REWBA - I read your posts and almost never agree with you, but I'm w/ you 100% on that one.
kudos!
I dunno - I can't seem to shake this one off. A few years ago, my accountant left town. Next year my new accountant asked for my last few years' tax returns so that he could see the deductions that were taken, etc. I provided them and a couple of weeks later get a call asking for a meeting. Apparently my previous accountant had me delinquent to the tune of $20K.
HOLY $ _ _ _ !!!
To the standard of the Black and White mode of thinking here in this forum - My new accountant would have been obligated to notify the IRS of my lawlessness and I'd have been hauled off to the pokey. Fortunately, there are accommodations in the structure of laws that allowed me to make my situation right and make up for the error of those I trusted.
I see this law as the same issue. Unfortunately, I'm banging my 'shades of gray' head against the 'black and white' wall.
I guess the bottom line is that I'm asking for a bit of empathy. Is that even possible in our sound-bite world? We never seem to think about the 'rest of the story'.
I dunno - my spiritual exemplar showed love and compassion and helped those in need. I'm just trying to express that. Apologies to those who are offended by that expression.
I see love and compassion as a better approach than more absolutism and hate.
February 11, 2011 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
The flip side of the coin regarding not penalizing children for the illegal actions of their parents is that children get to benefit from the illegal actions of their parents.
In other words.... if my parents steal the furniture from your house & embezzle all the money from your account, they go to jail, but I, as a child, of course, should not be penalized & have to do jail time. But should I get to keep all your furniture & money that my parents obtained illegally?
The answer to this dilemma is obvious, folks. If you are a law-abiding American citizen, and you want to send your kids to an out-of-state university but can't afford the tuition, renounce your American citizenship and then start the process to re-attain it. That way your kids can get lower tuition.
I imagine the above approach should work for alot of other things one may not be able to afford....
February 11, 2011 at 4:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
goodjoss, did your accountant break the law using the "accommodations in the structure of laws that allowed me to make my situation right"? Or was that action something that was legal?
February 11, 2011 at 4:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Buffalo_Breath (anonymous) says...
Too many long posts up there to read ... but I have a question.
How can you get admitted to college when you are in the country and state illegally?
Seems bizarre.
February 11, 2011 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Yes, it does seem bizarre, Buffalo. I made the point earlier that colleges and universities require a social security number for admittance. How did they obtain that document?
Or are colleges and universities looking the other way since they have their own share of economic woes?
Welcome back, open_eyes.
February 11, 2011 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I know an American Soldier who was born in Mexico but his parents were hired by IBP who brought him to Emporia KS. He was raised here, went to school here and enlisted in the military at the recruiting station by the theater in the mall. He deployed to Iraq to fight the war on terror and returned Emporia to attend ESU with his G.I. Bill. He really had to jump through hoops to get in state tuition because even though he had applied for citizenship upon enlisting in the Army and served his country honorably, technically, he was still just another Illegal Alien.
There are allot of American Citizens who believe that this Honorably Discharged American Combat Veteran and the thousands of others just like him should automatically be a Citizen of the Untied States but because of the Party of NO, my friend is still in the waiting line.
February 11, 2011 at 5:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
thx, create. Really busy these days, so prob won't post that often for awhile.
But I have the same ?? regarding getting into universities.....
February 11, 2011 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I think those who serve in the military should get fast-tracked to citizenship. And have their vote count 2 for 1. And lots of other perks.
February 11, 2011 at 5:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisterO (anonymous) says...
The answer to the question of the "children of illegals being penalized" is simple:
If a social security number is required for admittance to college....
....and these children are providing false social security numbers for admittance and/or financial aid...
Isn't that fraud? Isn't that a crime in itself?
The "children of illegal immigrants" wouldn't be penalized for the crimes of their parents, they would be penalized for their own crimes - namely fraud.
Now, if the children of illegal immigrants are provided valid social security numbers by the Federal government, then that's a completely different story.
February 11, 2011 at 5:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
What if they're 35 years old and their parents supply them with a fake SSN? LOL
I'm sure it won't be long before the law changes to where you can stay on your parents health insurance until you're 35...... (and can't retire/draw SS until you're 75 or 80)....... Anyway..... so I'm just curious about what qualifies as "children", and when a person is old enough to be held responsible for their own actions. College age? Old enough to vote? Old enough to join the military? Old enough to know better? Old enough to go to Planned Parenthood without your parents being notified?
Sometimes I think America is turning into the Land of Perpetual Childhood..... LOL
February 11, 2011 at 6:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
BTW.... I see where the gov of Arizona has countersued the federal government, in large part over re-imbursement of costs for jailed illegal immigrants. Interesting that now-Homeland Security-chief Janet Napolitano regularly sent the Justice Department invoices seeking such reimbursements when she was AZ governor. Wonder how she'll treat it now?
"Brewer's filing noted Arizona's latest annual reimbursement from the federal government totaled nearly $10 million and the state had to eat an additional $125 million."
Anyway, will be interesting to see how it all turns out......
February 11, 2011 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Nothing like a good illegal alien story to get the locals riled up and take the heat off the rock fiasco. lol
February 11, 2011 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Wouldn't it be alot cheaper to just put up a sign the same size that looks exactly like the rocks? The parts of the sign surrounding the rock could be transparent, so it would appear like the rock was standing there alone. Or like one of those signs that change as your point of view moves, so people driving by it would see it change. Surely we could put up a sign for less that 100 Grand....
February 11, 2011 at 6:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
We have too many signs already. We need jobs. Not temporary sign carving jobs but permanent career opportunities. For the children of the natives and the illegals alike.
It is just wrong to allow two buddies attend Emporia's K-12 public education system and when they go over to ESU, one will be charged in state and the other charged out of state. People who don't understand U.S. Immigration Law should have no say in the repeal of this law unless they are also willing to punish the corporations who caused the problem in the first place. There is a difference between coming here illegally and being brought here illegally. Learn Spanish and go to Mexico and read the billboards and listen to the radio ads where Tyson, IBP and others spend a small fortune recruiting new workers. A sign on bonus and all moving expenses paid.
February 11, 2011 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Please don't worry my brother, in this world we're all the same. We must find peace. We must find it together. Please start following from the heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAjFnJ...
February 12, 2011 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
http://www.kansascw.com/kscw/news/kwc...
Sounds like it might not matter.
February 16, 2011 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )