The uproar over Arizona’s new immigration does not seem to be quieting down.
Arizona passed a law that allows police to check citizens’ documents. Critics say the law could lead to racial profiling of Latinos. On Monday, civil rights groups filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the law.
Illegal immigration is a tremendous problem for Arizona, and this new law will help law enforcement fight this battle. We fail to see the harm in giving law enforcement the right to ask people for verification of citizenship.
Let’s look at a similar situation that happens in every town in America.
A police officer goes into a bar and checks IDs to make sure everyone is of age to be in the establishment. Obviously, law enforcement is going to look for people who look underage.
After police check patrons’ IDs, they are free to go if everything is in order. If not, then the patrons will face the legal system for breaking the law.
This scenario happens in every town in America and yet there is no outcry of civil liberties being violated.
America spends billions of dollars on fighting illegal immigration. We need to support our law enforcement by giving them laws, like the one in Arizona, that help them do their job.
Chris Walker
Editor & Publisher
photobuggy2 (anonymous) says...
Illegal imigration isn't just a problem for Arizona. Something needs to be done about it.
May 19, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
yea Chris
May 19, 2010 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Louise (anonymous) says...
Totally agree with Arizona. People that are here legally probably won't have a problem showing their ID when asked
May 19, 2010 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Chris,
Your comparison is ridiculous! It's illegal to be underage and drinking. Therefore, if the cops see someone drinking who appears to be underage, it gives them "reasonable suspicion" that the person is breaking the law. It's perfectly legal for the cops to investigate people based on reasonable suspicion of a law being broken.
It's not illegal to be of Hispanic descent in the United States. You cannot tell by looking at someone if they are or aren't a citizen of this country. You might be able to tell if they are of Hispanic descent, but there is no way to tell by appearance alone if they are legal citizens or not.
The underage drinking law works because we don't allow ANY underage persons to drink alcohol. Since we already have lots of Hispanic citizens, there is no way the Arizona law will work. It ain't right.
'enry
May 19, 2010 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The Barr Code
Illegal immigrant student is not a hero
6:00 am May 19, 2010, by Bob Barr
I was in New York City the other day (being photographed no doubt dozens of times by Mayor Bloomberg’s mass of surveilllance cameras), and while walking by Time Square, noticed a scrolling headline billboard for CNN blaring to the world that the case of Jessica Colotl, the illegal alien student at Kennesaw State Universtiy in Georgia, was being labeled a “civil rights disaster.” Say what? A “civil rights disaster?” In what sense? Because a case is pending regarding the legal status of one single person unquestionably in this country unlawfully, and who apparently violated at least a few state laws while she was at it (driving without a license, driving illegally, and giving false information to the police)? Where are the “civil rights” here and what is the crisis?
Even more troubling than these ridiculous headlines building this case into an international incident of epic proportions, is the fact that many people are intent on making this young woman into a martyr of the civil rights movement. For what — driving without a license? That’s all it takes to be a hero nowadays? In so doing, civil rights advocates are cheapening the currency of true civil rights problems in this country (and there are very real civil rights and civil liberties problems in the country). They lose credibility for their real battles in making this non-issue into a major test of principles and laws.
Sillier still is the notion that this college student – labeled one of the “best and brightest” by one pundit, yet who was not even bright enough to realize that when you’re in the country illegally it’s probably not a good idea to drive on public streets without a drivers license – is now being quoted as an expert on immigration laws. In one of her news conferences, Colotl labeled the currrent immigration system in this country a “mess” (it may very well be; if for no reason other than it allowed her to remain here for years and to benefit from taxpayer-subsidized tuition at a state university). Colotl also called for “reform” of the system. I will not be surprised if she is brought before a congressional committee and applauded as a “victim” and an “expert.” Perhaps the next immigration “reform” act will be named ”Jessica Colotl’s Law” in her honor.
There are a number of legitimate questions surrounding the case of illegal alien Jessica Colotl – including whether or not the charges pending against her are legitimate, and whether the federal government and the university acted properly in deferring her deportation for a year — and they need to be resolved. But let’s not get carried away; Jessica Colotl is no hero.
May 19, 2010 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Henry, Paaalease, why would anyone elses comparisons be any more ridiculous than all/most of your lame A$$ comparisons, Give us a break, will ya.
May 19, 2010 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
enry
It's not illegal for me to be of German decent either, butttt, the last time I checked I can be asked for my ID for a simple thing as vagrancy. The Arizona law states that it must be a lawful stop to begin the process. So why don't you go get some booze before Sunday and get right with yourself?
May 19, 2010 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
methusla,
That's right. Attack me instead of considering my point... Whatever, dude.
tbluma,
So what you're saying is the police could already ask citizens to show their ID. Why, then, did Arizona need a law targeting a particular race? Enforce the law; not racial stereotypes! Last I knew, racial profiling was frowned upon. I guess not in good ol' Arizona! Do they stop black people to make sure they're not illegal immigrants from Africa or something? Better stop all the white folks too to make sure they aren't from Canada or Finland or something...
Oh... and leave my precious booze out of this! (speaking to booze: don't worry, baby. I won't let them hurt you... gulp, swig, guzzle...ahhhh)
'enry
May 19, 2010 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Enry
They can stop any one they want to, as long as it's a lawful contact, it DOES NOT single out any particular ethnic group. Go read the law.
The reason for making a law in their mind was simply that the Uniteds States Gov. isn't doing their job so in my understanding they made a state law that they themselves could go by and enforce. Simple as that. And yes your right (gee that hurt) they probably need to stop a few others but then as you said racial profiling is against the law. They have to have a reason to stop them first.
Anyway what's the big deal if you're not illegal who gives a rat's behind if you have to show your ID.
May 19, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
In Emporia Kansas city code makes it illegal to be in a bar without a valid ID or drivers license. ANY AGE!
If I'm driving down the street and pulled over by the police, because I fit the description of a overweight balding fat man that just robbed a bank, I had better have a DL or some form of id to prove who I am. If not I can be detained until identity is established.
If I am visiting Mexico or Canada I had better have my U.S. passport.
Traveling in Europe you are required to surrender your passport at hotels to spend the night. If asked for passport and you don't have one you are screwed.
and you know what, that is for every race, white, black, brown, yellow and all the hues in between.
Is the Arizona law targeting a certain race?
I don't think so, but am going to find it and read it before I respond to henry's claim of targeting a race.
May 19, 2010 at 4:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Every time you discriminate against an illegal immigrant, God kills a baby HenryVIII.
May 19, 2010 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
FarmRaised,
You can buy booze in Mexico on Sunday! Hey, I thought the USA was supposed to be the "land of the free"... What gives?
Steve_Corbin,
The law doesn't specifically state a certain race will be targeted, but it's common knowledge that their concern is over all the Mexican-looking folks they have running around down there. You can see why Hispanic citizens might feel a little targeted by the law.
'enry
May 19, 2010 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Arizona SB1070 is online and totals 16 pages. Nowhere in the bill does it mention The Hispanic race.
After comparing the Arizona law to the Federal governments laws on immigration they are almost mirror image dead on the same.
It seems to me the new state law is really rough on businesses that hire ILLEGAL immigrants. Maybe that's who is raising the most ruckus. Those rich greedy business owners who want cheap labor.
May 19, 2010 at 4:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Give it a year, when the bleeding of the Arizona taxpayers stops watch and see more states follow.
May 19, 2010 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Well Henry, I know several Hispanic people that have blond hair and blue eyes. Some don't, but it would be awfully hard to tell by looks what race someone is. And the law does require a lawful contact for another reason before requesting ANY persons immigration status.
Instead of all this hubub, now dividing people, why not wait until someone does screw up and profiles a person, then the law can be challenged in court. You know it will happen. Until then everyone should carry some form of ID, in Arizona and in Kansas.
May 19, 2010 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dml (anonymous) says...
Arizona Law: http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.a...
Basically, since the federal government is not enforcing federal law, they forced Arizona to adopt part of the federal law as state law so they could protect their citizens. I hope 49 more states adopt this law as well.
May 19, 2010 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100519/a...
"In asking anew for an immigration overhaul, Obama showed solidarity with his guest of honor, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, who called Arizona's law discriminatory and warned Mexico would reject any effort to "criminalize migration."
My question is why does the President of the United States care what the President of Mexico thinks about a law of a state of the US? And why is Obama listening to him?
The people are pissed. The only people who are against this law are the illegal immigrants and big corporations. Ohh, and California, but they really don't count anymore. This law isn't racist, it's common sense.
Matt
May 19, 2010 at 4:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Hey Matt,
I saw small bits of the press conference and didn't hear all of it but one comment made by our president mentioned North America. I think he meant the United States but slipped up.
You would think with our unemployment rate being what it is there would be no need for ILLEGAL immigrants to work here.
Oh wait, we have become too educated fat and lazy to do manual labor. And no-one wants to pay $12.00 for a head of lettuce.
May 19, 2010 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dalelinn (Dale Linn) says...
Thank you, Chris. Arizona's law simply allows them to check the identification of people they are already involved with because of another situation. There is a federal law that requires all aliens to carry paperwork with them. Arizona is simply enforcing laws that our federal government has refused to enforce for the last several administrations. Why won't our federal government enforce our border laws. That is the question. Is it because our president is being told to allow the border to remain open. That's what I believe. Who has developed the power to do that? Who has the ability to "print" money at will? Follow the Money. We might also take notice that the "wars" will not be ended either. hmmm......, two untouchables.
May 19, 2010 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
imgone (anonymous) says...
Felipe Calderon is in our country bitching about our imigration laws. Maybe we should pattern our illegal imigration laws just like Mexicos. Their laws include arrest,fines,jail and deportion. We have the laws,let's have the ba@#s to enforce them.
May 19, 2010 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
So I am Irish-American. What happens if I am in Arizona, and I can't prove to law enforcement that I am a citizen?
May 19, 2010 at 6:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JustWondering (anonymous) says...
irishemporia> the same thing that should happen anywhere in the U.S.
imgone> don't forget that in Mexico illegal aliens are subject to two years imprisonment and returning after deportation will get you ten years. Also, Immigrants to Mexico are barred if they "upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?
To everyone> Every police officer (and member of the military) are required to enforce immigration laws in Mexico--how is that different than Arizona? Remember the protest at the Arizona State Capital? Try that in Mexico where under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.
Read more here: http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/28/...
May 19, 2010 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
JustWondering: I guess I still don't understand what's going to happen.
May 19, 2010 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
What papers should I be carrying to prove I am a U.S. citizen?
May 19, 2010 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Irish,
I think a drivers license should do it. Didn't you have to at one time show your birth certificate when getting a drivers license? I did.
How do you feel about a national biometric I.D. card?
May 19, 2010 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Irish, if you ever are detained in Arizona or anywhere else in this good ole country because you can't prove your citizenship, call your relatives, they should always have a copy of your birth certificate for just such an emergency.
May 19, 2010 at 7:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
"Your comparison is ridiculous! It's illegal to be underage and drinking."
It's illegal to be an illegal in the US also Einstein.
May 19, 2010 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Great idea, Steve, as long as you have relatives. Not sure about the national ID, but what about having everyone's DNA on file? Would that work?
May 19, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I guess if I get stopped by authorities, all I will have to do is flip out my card, that designates me as a bonafied member of a Native American tribe, along with my DL.
May 19, 2010 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Henry,
I wasn' t attacking you, just asking why you think your comparisons are any more valid or less rediculous than, anyone elses.
May 19, 2010 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Good morning Emporia!
Papers Please?
Irish,
It seems you are in a pickle?
You're in Arizona with no D.L. or birth certificate, or even a federal Green Card which is required by the feds for all legal foreign workers. You have no family to call to prove you are a citizen. You are pulled over for failure to stop at a stop sign. Welcome to Arizona, you are screwed..
Our country is a country of laws, I hope we can agree on that. Without enforcement of those laws our country is in trouble. Do you really think the United States should have open boarders and no laws on immigration? That is what we have now. The federal government is not enforcing the laws on the books now, that is why Arizona had the need to pass a state law to deal with the problem.
As far as DNA samples for everyone on file why not implanted computer chips like we use on our pets? Or the government could go low tech and just tattoo a number on everyone's forearm?
May 20, 2010 at 7:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wirewatt (Ken Bazil) says...
What don't these people understand about being illegal? They are finding korans in the desert and people from other countries beside Mexico coming across the Border. We must all carry id when we are out and about, Drivers L. or some other form if you are stopped or checked. We are blackmailed by the Fed's if we don't have age limits or the right seat belt laws, they withhold tax money for Highways. Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong, it must go both ways.
May 20, 2010 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Hiya folks. I posted it before and I'll post it again. If you are in this country illegally, YOU ARE WRONG! No matter what the situation. If someone breaks into your place of residence and steals everything, well your not suppossed to be here anyway so your wrong. You are driving a car, get pulled over and have no DL, you are wrong because you arent suppossed to be here. The simple fact is that its hard as hell for immigrants to get here legally because so many are here illegally. Blame the ones who arent supossed to be here. Again I lived in Italy for three years and was required BY LAW to carry my military ID to prove my identity. I was also required by the school, the military (my father was in the Air Force at the time), and my father to learn the language as quickly as possible. By my father's own reasoning, and he was born in Italy and immigrated to the US legally, I was an immigrant and needed to speak as others in the country. Just a question. Has anyone looked up the laws in other countries and seen the punishments for being an illegal? Deportation in many countries is the least of your worries!
Anthony Romano
May 20, 2010 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Gotta add one more thing. I have been told over and over that most illegals do the jobs that the "overpaid and lazy Americans" refuse to do. I find this a gigantic load of BS. When it comes right down to it, I think Americans will work anywhere. Yeah we expect to get paid decent for our time and effort but in the end we have to feed our families, pay our rent, utilities ect. The unemployment solution would be to give all the jobs illegals are doing to people claiming unemployment checks. I would rather do ANY job and get paid than watch some illegal get paid just cause they'll work for a dollar less. I heard a line in the movie Gangs of New York last night and I think its time we take it to heart. "America for Americans!"
Anthony Romano
May 20, 2010 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
probably not farm raised. that will probably fall into the loopholes. but how many can you catch that dont have documents vs those that have forged documents?
May 20, 2010 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Good movie, Romano, and it certainly serves to illustrate the illegal immigrant problem.
The Arizona law is simple, and no, it does not specifiy any races or ethnic groups. It simply states that police officers have the right to ask for your proof of citizenship if you are stopped for another violation such as speeding or seat belts, etc. Why? Because it is against the law to be in this country without proper papers. How simple.
Yes, we are a nation of laws. That is one reason why we are as strong as we are. We are not like Mexico where drug kingpins make all the rules.
Illegal immigration is a huge problem in border states and places like Atlanta, Georgia and many areas of South Carolina where large numbers of "undocumented workers" have gathered and are clogging the employment system.
Look at the problem involving stolen identification. All too often, the crime of stolen id's run rampant because they are used to document illegal immigrants who are willing to pay. Arizona is merely doing what the feds should have done years ago and still have not.
As I understand it, Obama is asking Eric Holder to look into the constitutionality of the Arizona law. Yeah, we can wait and see, but states can make their own laws.
May 20, 2010 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
One caveat here. Let's say you want to drive through the state of Arizona and you're using your car with Kansas plates. Odds are that they will stop you for some reason, no matter what you look like.
Road trip!
May 20, 2010 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
"Welcome to Arizona, you are screwed..."
Steve, I think that is a reason to be concerned about this law. Seems to me that the attempt to catch illegals might result in the wrongful prosecution of legals, too. It's interesting that the police chief organization and some law enforcement officers are against this law, or so I have been told. Is it true that the federal government has hinted that it will challenge the law?
May 20, 2010 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
If you do no wrong you have nothing to fear.
May 20, 2010 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
If you are driving through arizona and you have no credentials... There is enough information you can give the officer, such as your drivers license number, that they can determine your identity. How about your employer? Could they not fax a copy of your info to the police station you are detained at? Just think though for every one person that is stopped and has problems proving they are legally able to be here, five people could be caught here illegaly. I would rather be stopped everyday and have to prove i am a citizen that to have even one person here illegaly abusing that which you and I have to pay for everyday!
May 20, 2010 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Meanwhile, across the pond...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/ma...
"We are moving towards the US culture,...where it's absolutely common to be asked for ID wherever you go..."
'enry
May 20, 2010 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Irish and others,
Sure some in Washington, including our president have said they are "looking" at the law.
When pressed however,3 cabinet members who had declared the law unconstitutional and possibly raciest , had to admit they hadn't even read the 16 page document.
I think a lot of us grow weary of the partisan political plays and sound bites being spouted in our nations capital.
May 20, 2010 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
railroadhorn (anonymous) says...
I'm disappointed that Chris Walker would editorialize in favor of the Arizona law. I agree with others that his comparison to underage drinking is totally wrong-headed. As an editorialist he falls short once again. I have many reasons why the Arizona law isn't right and I'm not going to go into them except to say I'll fight like heck if Kansas attempts anything similar. Tim Wright
May 20, 2010 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
By The Capital-Journal
May 20, 2010 - 9:48am
A Mexican citizen faces up to 22 years in prison after being charged with crimes including entering the United States after being deported five previous times.
The U.S. attorney's office in Wichita said Emigdio Villegas-Cortez, 23, was arrested in March on suspicion of possessing cocaine with intent to distribute. Further investigation found Villegas-Cortez was in the country illegally and had already been deported five times since 2005.
Another Mexican citizen — Elida Guadalupe Herrera-Morales, 33 — was also arrested in connection with cocaine possession with intent to sell and with being in the country illegally.
The crimes are alleged to have occurred on March 19 of this year.
May 20, 2010 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I will say this only one more time and this will be the last time .
The United States Constitution, gives each and every State, Soverign powers.
Among which are,
1 State powers and privileges
1.1 Sovereignty
1.1.1
Each state is independent and sovereign.
1.1.2
It retains all such freedoms, powers, jurisdictions, rights and privileges not expressly delegated to the Confederation.
1.2 Defense
1.2.1
Each state has the right to maintain its own defense forces and the right to defend itself against actual invasion.
1.2.2
No state's military forces may enter another state without that state's consent.
1.3 Secession
Each state has the right to secede from the Confederation on the direct vote of its citizens.
1.4 Superior law
Subject to part one (the compact) of this constitution and each state's jurisdiction, state laws and treaties are superior to confederate laws and treaties.
1.5 State assumption of a confederate service
1.5.1
Each state has the right to take over or discontinue the provision of a confederate task or service within its jurisdiction.
Source, http://www.basiclaw.net/Constitution/...
Therefore, each and every State has the absolute " Right and Power " to " take over a confederate ( U.S. federal government ) task or service within it jurisdiction.
Which means, Arizona or any other State that feels that the " confederation ", ( Federal Government ) either is not or will not act in the best interests of the independently soverign States best interests, the State has the right and power to do so itself and is guaranted this right by the Constitution of the United States of America.
I cannot explain it any better than that.
May 20, 2010 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
And furthermore I for one will praise Kansas and each and every State that takes it upon themselves to do what the Federal Government and the politicians are either unwilling or unable to do as far as implementing and enforcing their own illegal immigration laws. If the Federal Government is just going to set on its collective Asses and allow the U.S. to be invaded by illigal immigrants, then the States have no recourse, other than to do the job themselves/ourselves and try and save what is left of the States and the Country, while there may still be time to do so.
May 20, 2010 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thank you, Steve for that article. I don't want to overstate this, but all too often, criminals are found to be illegals as well. That posting was a perfect example. However, we deport them and they return in nothing flat to go right back to what they were doing. For some reason, they aren't being punished in their own country for breaking the law in our country. Perhaps we need to get with Mexico about a change in their laws.
And thank you too methusla for that posting on state jurisdictions. We need to remind ourselves of this.
May 20, 2010 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Terrible editorial and comparison Chris. The law is not a profiling law. It is enforcing laws that are already on the books. If someone committs a crime or traffic violation or whatever and police intervene, that person has to provide government issued documentation. If you are a legal alien you are required to carry documentation on you at all times to prove your citizenship. It really isn't that hard to comply with the law.
May 20, 2010 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I like caso.
May 20, 2010 at 11:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai, like you I am wondering if anyone even bothered to check to see if
Felipe De Jesus Calderon Hinojosa, his wifes' and their entourages' papers were in order before allowing them to enter the U.S. .
" Diplomatic Immunity " , you say ! " Bull Sh_t " , I say .
May 21, 2010 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Furthermore, Felipe De Jesus Calderon Hinojosa can' t even control or run his own country and people, let alone try and tell someone else how to run theirs' .
Boy, this guy has some set of " nads " .
May 21, 2010 at 7:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Obama has already said that congress is tired from hcr and he doesn't see them doing anything this year about immigration reform. Is reform even needed? They could try to enforce the laws we already have. I wonder if they've thought of that. Oh yeah ... Arizona is going to try it but Obama wants to stop them.
May 21, 2010 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OutsiderJ (anonymous) says...
In case you haven't read it.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r...
seems pretty reasonable to me.
May 21, 2010 at 10:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
OutsiderJ,
It is a very reasonable immigration law . And it is almost word for word exactly like the Federal Immigration Law, that our Federal Government and Legislators refuse to enforce with the fervor that they should. And the reason they don' t eforce the " Immigration Laws " is because they are making tons of money from the " Immigrant Lobby " and those who illegally employ " Illegal Immigrants " .
Here is a little info about what is required for anyone who wishes to employ any immigrant and what the immigrants must do to seek employment or be employed in the U.S. .
Information for Employers and Employees
Employers must verify that an individual whom they plan to employ or continue to employ in the United States is authorized to accept employment in the United States. For more information about the employment authorization verification process, see the “About Form I-9 and E-Verify” link to the right.
As an employer, you may require the services of a foreign national to work at your company or business. If the individual is already a permanent resident (green card holder), you may hire that individual, but you must comply with the employment verification requirements.
If the alien is not already a permanent resident, you will need to file a petition so that the individual may obtain the appropriate immigrant or nonimmigrant classification. You may chose to file an immigrant petition (permanent) or a nonimmigrant petition (temporary) on behalf of that employee. The links to the left provide information on how to petition and the different eligibility categories.
Employees
No alien may accept employment in the United States unless they have been authorized to do so. Some aliens, such as those who have been admitted as permanent residents, granted asylum or refugee status, or admitted in work-related nonimmigrant classifications, may have employment authorization as a direct result of their immigration status. Other aliens may need to apply individually for employment authorization.
There are many ways in which a person may be able to work in the United States. You may seek an immigration classification that permits you to live and work in the United States permanently or temporarily. In most instances, your employer or potential employer must petition for you. In the links to your left, you will find more information about coming to the United States to work temporarily or permanently and the many different eligibility categories for working in the United States.
Source.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usci...
May 21, 2010 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
As you can see there are rules and laws that are supposed to be followed by both those who wish to employ immigrants and immigrants who wish to work in the U.S. . However, there are those immigrants who seem to believe they have the right to enter the U.S. or any country without having to do it following the laws of the country they wish to enter and the most unrespectful thing is that a certain countrys' president believes that his people have the right to enter the U.S., at will, unlawfully, and has the out right gaul to chastize the U.S. and its legal citizens for trying to stem the " Illegal Immigrant " invasion of their country and States .
Makes me wonder if the President of this certain Country is as lawless as the people entering the U.S. from his Country.
May 21, 2010 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Seriously, you said:
"congress is tired from hcr"
I say:
"I'm tired of Congress."
I do agree with you about the immigration laws. Before we start fixing the ship, maybe we should plug the hole in the bottom first.
Matt
May 21, 2010 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Whether the " Legal " citizens and the U.S. Federal Government and the Feds Legislators wish to believe it or not, America is at " War " on three fronts, Iraq, Afghanistan and right here in the America. The war I speak of in America is the war that is being fought to stem the massive invasion of " Illegal Immigrants " flooding into America along its' South Western border. And the Country that shares the South Western border with the U.S., has not, does not and will not help the U.S. to stop this " Illegal Invasion ", that is draining the economy of the U.S. to the point of eventual, total collapse. I also believe that this " Illegal Immigrant Invasion " is a much bigger threat to the continued existance and well being of the U.S. and its legal citizens than any of the other two wars that are being fought militarily, in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is also my opinion that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a lost cause and are only continuing to serve to drain the economy and taxpayers of the U.S. .
May 21, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
FYI, Link to Kansas House Bill 2202 on immigration:
http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/20...
We need to get this bill moving and on the fast track asap if Kansas doesn't want to be the last State to do so .
May 21, 2010 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
I agree, that it should not be necessary for the States or the people to pass laws that the Federal Government already has, but is not enforcing.
But here is the quandry. Is it costing the legal taxpayers more to continue to fund government entitlement programs, that the illegal aliens are continuing to use/abuse and have no legal right to use/abuse or take advantage of and who illegally work here and a majority of whom do not pay income tax,or would it be more prudent to arrest and deport them and stop the drain on taxpayer funded entitlement programs and the drain on the legal taxpayers ?
The Federal Government is becoming like a pimple on the peoples a$$es, " it serves no useful purpose, except to be a pain in the peoples A$$es .
I see this " Rebellion " of the States as a wake up call to our Legislators and Government in D.C., " Either do your job and enforce the laws, you have passed, with conviction and fervor or We the States and people will do it for you and then kick your beaurocratic, greedy, corrupt a$$es out and govern outselves.
May 22, 2010 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bloomsbury (SC DIXON) says...
From an economic standpoint Mexican illegals send back approximately ONE BILLION DOLLARS to México annually, making illegals the second biggest sourec of income, after oil sales, in the Mexican economy.
From a historical standpoint since the last Spanish viceroy sailed back to Spain México has been either unable or unwilling to govern itself. It has forever been a din of corruption and political intrigue. There is no reason to believe it will not be forever thus.
Annex México.
May 22, 2010 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
akamai, So what do you suggest the States do if the Federal Government will not enforce the laws? Would you have us roll over and play dead and become a Safe Haven for all illegal immigrants or pass this law as a deterrent to such an invasion. It worked in Oklahoma. The illegals did a mass exit of Oklahoma literally over night. No enforcement or additional cost needed. They are also now leaving Arizona like rats leaving a sinking ship. Just passing their State Laws did the trick!
May 23, 2010 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
You say that " everyone should look at how illegal immigration and illegal immigrants impact our god given rights "
I ask that you read the following info, and ask yourself, " how illegal immigration and illegal immigrants are impacting your god given rights and your future .
Economic costs of illegal immigration
Issues
Between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the in-migration of low-skilled workers. Many American workers lose their jobs through unfair competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration and the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year - FAIR research.
Immigration is a net drain on the economy; corporate interests reap the benefits of cheap labor, while taxpayers pay the infrastructural cost. FAIR research shows "the net annual cost of immigration has been estimated at between $67 and $87 billion a year. The National Academy of Sciences found that the net fiscal drain on American taxpayers is between $166 and $226 a year per native household. Even studies claiming some modest overall gain for the economy from immigration ($1 to $10 billion a year) have found that it is outweighed by the fiscal cost ($15 to $20 billion a year) to native taxpayers."
$60 billion dollars are earned by illegal aliens in the U.S. each year. One of Mexico's largest revenue streams (after exports and oil sales) consists of money sent home by legal immigrants and illegal aliens working in the U.S. Economists say this will help Mexico reduce its $17.8 billion defecit and may bolster the peso. $10 billion dollars are sent back to Mexico annually, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, reported in an Associated Press article, up $800 million from the previous year. ($9 billion dollars were previously sent back annually, according to a September 25, 2002 NPR report). That figure equals what Mexico earns annually from tourism. This massive transfer of wealth from America - essentially from America's displaced working poor - goes directly to Mexico.
Source, http://www.theamericanresistance.com/...
Oh, illegal immigration and illegal immigrants are impacting each and every legal citizens, god given rights as well as their lawfully earned, U.S. citizens rights. That, by the way are guaranteed to each lawful U.S. citizen by established " U.S. Immigration Laws and GuideLines " .
May 24, 2010 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State's "cheap labor" costs average household $1,183 a year
Source, http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigra...
It would seem to me, it is pretty obvious why California is apparently " BROKE ", as is most of the rest of the country .
Here is two more sites that provide some interesting info on the costs of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants to the lawful and legal U.S. taxpayers.
Here is another source of info,
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...
Read and contemplate the facts and impact of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants on you god given rights and your pocket book or possibly even your future survival.
May 24, 2010 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
P.S.
And California has the audacity to chastize or even boycott Arizona for at least trying to rectify a growing problem.
Way to go Arnold ! Thank God you are not President.
May 24, 2010 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The guy that is president doesn't support Arizona either.
May 24, 2010 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Akami you need to make up your mind.
Your last 2 posts almost completely contradict others you have made, or maybe you're just trying to stir the pot.
May 24, 2010 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
How is it racist when to persecute the guilty? 99% of all illegal aliens in the American southwest are Hispanic in origin. If they want freedom they should fight for for it like we did instead of burdening the citizens of this nation. Or immigrate legally, whether you want to believe or not this is and will continue to affect you in the form of increased taxes to pay for these people who in many cases are not even grateful for being here, they feel entitled.
Why don't we make it fair and press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, 3 for German, 4 for Chinese, etc.
The problem I see with all of this is assimilation, no other nationality had this much trouble doing so, enough of coddling. It is not too much to ask for these people to do as we did and do things the right way and assimilate as all of our ancestors did.
Go Arizona!
May 24, 2010 at 4:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
The president of Mexico would be proud of USD 253! They are getting rid of non-tenured, non-ESL certified teachers. On the surface, locally, it's probably a money decision because of the extra funding they get for ESL students in classes of ESL certified teachers. That's stomach-turning enough for me, but underneath the surface is the government that financially rewards the schools who cater to a very specific minority. How are we to fight this encouragement to break our laws and use up resources when it comes from the entity that is supposed to protect us and our resources from lawbreakers?
I am sick to my stomach and angry about it all.
Go Arizona!!!!
May 24, 2010 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
The Arizona immigration law is almost an exact clone of the Federal Government immigration law, except for a few words.
So, I guess that means that you believe that the Federal Immigration Law is also racist and the U.S. is also a racist country, and a Nazi country to boot, which makes you a racist, since you say you are an " American " .
And how did you come to the determination that you are an American ?
I can say and prove without a doubt that I am an American by right of having Native American ancestory and by believing that one cannot enter a Country illegally, against the laws of that country and claim to be a citizen of that country, only because some bleeding heart says that any person may enter a country illegally and is entitled to all the benefits of that country or does not have to obey and abide by the laws of that country, even if there are laws that they must abide by to legally enter, work and live in that country !
Just try to go to any other country, " Illegally ", without the proper papers and try and assimilate into that countrys citizenery, receive their citizens benefits, and not abide by their laws, and at least learn some working knowledge of that countrys native/official language and see what happens to you. Most every country has entrance/immigration laws that everyone must/should follow and are required to abide by those countries laws.
Are all of these countries also " Racist/Nazi " countrys' ?
There are countries that if you are there illegally and break their laws, they may deport you or they may imprison you for life, or they may even execute you without so much as a trial .
The person that illegally immigrates to the U.S. has got it pretty soft and cozey, having to face only deportation and the problem deportation does not even work as a deterrent to stem the tide of illegal immigration.
I too do not like government interferring in my private life. However I believe government I believe that government intrussion into our lives is a far less problem and threat to the legal citizens of the U.S. than the uncontrolled invasion of the U.S. of millions of illegal, life blood sucking, immigrants. And believe me these illegal immigrants are sucking the " economic life blood " out of America and its legal citizens at an alarming rate and will eventually cause the " Death of the United States of America . " And the sooner the bleeding hearts of this country wake up to that fact, the sooner this country will recover and prosper.
May 24, 2010 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
Did you even visit the sites I provided and see just how much " economic life blood " the illegal immigrants are sucking out of the U.S. and its legal taxpayers and limmigrants who lawfully/ legally imigrated to the U.S.?
If not, why, are you afraid to learn the truth or facts about what illegal immigration is costing you, me and every lawful/legal citizen taxpayer of this country ?
May 24, 2010 at 5:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Also, let me make it perfectly clear. I am not against anyone immigrating to the U.S., by doing so lawfully and legally.
But I am vehemently against anyone who immigrates to the U.S. unlawfully or illegally .
And if our Federal Government is not going to enforce the immigration laws and protect our borders from illegal immigrant imvasion then, the individual States have the Soverign power to do so themselves .
I say " CUDOS " to Arizona and any other State who is contemplating passing and enforcing their own immigration laws.
May 24, 2010 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Thank Arizona is bad? Try Mexico! And they had the nerve to criticize us?
• Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
• Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
• Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
• The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
• Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
• A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
• A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
• Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
• Foreigners who sign government
documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Gotta love that 3rd one, no racism there at all!
May 24, 2010 at 5:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
No lie on that 3rd one, goodoleboy. Wow, the Mexican president needs to publicly explain each and every one of these to the American people. Unbelievable!
That national Catalog of Foreigners tracking tourists and immigrants is ridiculous.
May 24, 2010 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
this link indicates that in addition to what goodoleboy listed above, foreigners to Mexico can "prove they can provide their own health care."
http://www.creators.com/conservative/...
May 24, 2010 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof
You are absolutelyy correct.
253 is getting rid of non tenured teachers who aren't dual language. I know one personally.
While I haven't been a student of said teacher or had a child under said teacher I have a hard time believing this teacher is not a good one. I know there are going to people come on here and say proved it, but my point is this.
In the Emporia, in the state of Kansas, in the USA, unless the teacher is teaching a foreign language class to ENGLISH speaking AMERICAN citizens, said teacher should not have to be able to speak anything but ENGLISH to qualify for the job.
The day that we let American CITIZENS lose their job because they can't speak a foreign language is a very, very sad day for the nation.
Secondly
Yes our schools do cater to specific minorities but it isn't just the immigrant that refuses to asimilate as our forefathers did, but also to the bullies that are being discussed in another venue, to the no child left behind etc,etc.
I like you am pissed and think it is a travesty of monumental proportions.
The good thing is that I probably won't live to see the inevitable demise of this country but the bad thing is that my daughter, son in law and grandchild probably will.
It simply makes me want to puke.
May 24, 2010 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
How do illegal immigrants get into our military, unless they broke the law by using a forged birth certificate and other bogus i.ds" ? Perhaps the military is so hard up now a days they will allow/take anyone into the military, whether they are a legal citizen of this country or not.
If it were up to me, illegal immigrants would not be able to serve in the U.S. military, no way, no how .
Why don' t these illegal immigrants stay in the country of their birth and natural language and fight to make their birth country a better place. But no they do not want to have to fight for their rights and freedoms and betterment of the country of their birth. They would rather enter another country, illegally, and bleed that country and its liegal citizens completely dry of that countrys life blood and economy, like the blood sucking leeches they are, now you talk about being Nazis, there you have it.
May 24, 2010 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Wow, akamai...you change your tune and now we're all haters?? I don't think so. There are some kids in my life who are VERY dear to my heart whose parents came here illegally. I wish they hadn't because of the complications that have arisen in these US-born kids' lives that resulted from avoiding law enforcement. If they hadn't been here illegally, they would've been able to freely report the crimes against the children by a relative to the authorities....whether here or in Mexico. That isn't an extreme scenario. I don't hate the family, but I do hate what has happened as a result of their law-breaking.
And while I love them, the family is very dependent on social services of all types...always has been.
tbluma,
Thank you. It's good to know that this firing of qualified teachers because of wrong priorities is on someone else's radar too. I've heard there are 12 of them being "let go" district wide, but so far, I only know of personally knowing one, and he is an excellent teacher....the kind I want teaching our town's kids.
May 24, 2010 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof
Akami kind of reminds me of another poster who was kicked off, and then another who just disappeared (who resembled the one kicked off)
Yes I heard the same # 12.
Wonder if we know the same teacher?
May 24, 2010 at 10:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"I can only imagine how bad things would have to get in my home town to cause me to migrate a thousand miles or more, where I don't know anyone and have only heard rumors that jobs are available to people who want to work. "
I totally understand why they want to come here. I have always understood that part. It makes total sense. The U.S. is far superior to Mexico. This is the land of opportunity for everyone regardless of race, creed, or religion(for a little bit longer anyway). What I don't understand is why when they come here do they stay loyal to the country that they fled? It's not smart for one and it is also not good for this country. If we truly are the great melting pot, the people coming here need to be willing to melt(not literally you understand). This means being willing to let go of past allegiances and do what's best for this country. Since this is the country that is being run to, this shouldn't be too dificult but apparently it is. So what's up with all the loyalty to a country that so many people risk life and limb to leave? Yo no comprendo. /:-(
May 24, 2010 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Couldn't have said it any better Seriously
May 24, 2010 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
tbluma
Yes, akamai is a previously kicked off poster, plus at least four more names that are currently authorized, but that I haven't seen in awhile. I suspect he's actually two kicked off posters, but my memory of the first one is not great, so I may be remembering him wrong.
We may well know the same teacher, it's hard to tell. It seems likely that you could be a friend of the family's. You'll probably know by the end of next week because I'm not letting this go. I am too angry about it and the town will know!
May 24, 2010 at 11:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof
Let me take a wild guess here and guess that Akamai is the former poster known as, initials only, (c.i.s.) or an infamous king of England, that is or has been posting until recently ?
I have had my suspicions about Akamai and the poster using the sign on of a former, infamous king of england for a while now. As they both seem to have a somewhat prevailant, helter skelter type of logic, in their posts.
May 25, 2010 at 8:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof
The link that you provided and what goodoleboy listed only proves that the president of Mexico is a double dealing, two faced, hypocrite, that encourages the people of his country to immigrate to the U.S. in any manor that they can . Whether it be legally or illegally.
And the links I recently provided show in facts, just how much the illegal immigrants from Mexico and the Mexican government itself are profiting from the illegal immigration and what it is costing legal U.S. taxpayers, that President Calderon and his government encourages and supports, with his own words and actions or inaction .
NAFTA, did not mean uncontrolled illegal immigration into the U.S. !
May 25, 2010 at 8:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
methusla,
While I have no doubts that the two posters you listed above are one and the same, I don't think that akamai is. I think he is his own breed of animal. However, when he thought he was "too wise for" all of us, he was the same breed as akamai. The other one that I suspect but don't remember as clearly claimed a military ranking of 1st sgt. in his user name.
I am with you on the twisting of legalities to aid and abet criminals. I don't know what the answer is....I know that I want the Mexican nationals to be able to come here freely, but I do expect that anyone from any country who comes here to want to be a part of us. I don't mean they need to give up their own heritage, but they should be willing to renounce their actual country of origin's government. It's really hard to do that, though, when so much of our own government is encouraging illegal behavior and non-assimilation.....like the extra funding for ESL. A lot of the ESL numbers are fabricated through loose definitions, too. Like the children I referred to above who were born here and speak perfect English....but get the schools ESL funding on a technicality.....but only if their teacher is ESL certified or bilingual. Forget the fact that they are highly intelligent and can learn from him/her just fine or that he/she is a phenomenal teacher...education is far less important than money.
I've heard that the history textbooks in Mexico tell how the US stole California, Arizona and New Mexico from them and that the US owes each Mexican national a large amount because that land was valuable and Mexico wouldn't be poor now if they had that land. I've heard that they are encouraged........even made to believe it is their duty to come take back what we stole from them. What validation of that mindset is it when they come here and get catered to as long as they are sneaky with local level law enforcement? The higher-ups are welcoming them with open arms through the public education and the welfare systems and they know it.....making the local law into the bad guy. This is a recipe for exactly what we are getting....chaotic disaster.
Sorry for the rambling, but I am mystified by how screwed up this all is and am trying to sort it out in my head. I don't think I will, though.
May 25, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
Being as my lineage and heritage is that of Native American, I can say yes I have experienced racism in the worst form, as my ancestors did in an even worse form than I, so don' t throw the pretense of being discriminated against because of racism in my face and expect me to just set back and take it . I have had many people call me and my ex-wife many things, that were racist, etc.
I too have noticed that when the discussion or debate is not going your particular way you revert back to your old ways of insulting and outright attacking people and in doing so you give yourself and your alter egos' away each time you do so. If my guessing the identy of your alter egos' is an insult, then aparently the truth and facts are also an insult to you . A persons inherent traits come forward, no matter what name they use or write by and your inherent traits are very recognizable and distinguishable and unique only to you, no matter what name you use. As is everyones. It is our unique indivuality and quite recognizable . I would venture to say that if I would post on this forum under a different poster sign in name, I would be recognized, immediatly as to who I really was. And if you have no concept of what the term " ILLEGAL " means as it pertains to most anything unlawful, then your world view is as " skewed " as anyones' . Laws, whether they be put forth by the people themselves or put forth by the " Peoples " elected representatives or whether by God, are what makes the people/man civilized and seperates man from the animals. Every Nation and people on Earth, even ancient peoples, have had certain laws that they and others are/were expected to abide by/observe and obey .
It is quite obvious that my view and your view of the world are quite different and that most of the time we will not agree on much of anything . However, that is your right as well as my right and everyones right .
And you are as guilty as anyone, when it comes to throwing insults as an argument/debate/discussion rebuttal as anyone, when the argument/debate/discussion is not going your way or someone does not agree with you . So your high and mighty attitude is not becoming to you.
If I am too straight forward and honest for you, then that is too bad, as I was taught by my people, that being straight forward, honest, sincere, and truthful is always best and to hide nothing, because eventually, that which you have hidden will some day, be found .
May 25, 2010 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"I say enforce the laws already on the books"
Essentially that is what Arizona wants to do. They feel like they need to because the federal government has failed as they often do.
"The employers of illegals are the root of the illegal migration. "
I must disagree. The root of the problem is the fact that the countries these folks are fleeing suck and the U.S. ,while flawed in many ways, is far superior. The fact that we allow ourselves to be walked all over is a major flaw, hopefully we can correct this and correct it without walking all over ourselves and our rights. If the feds don't like what Arizona is doing, I suggest they do something and do it fast.
May 25, 2010 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
I am not against the idea of checking their documentation, (If) an officer has reason to stop said person, but I am against the racial profiling of the new law in Arizona. I speak first hand on this matter. My husband and I were visiting family in Phoenix a few weeks ago (my husband is a legal hispanic citizen by the way)...We stopped at McDonalds in Phoenix and then drove to a nearby park to relax and eat lunch. Minding our own business and sitting at a picnic table enjoying our lunch, 15 minutes later out of no where came a police officer and asked my husband for documentation. When did it become illegal to sit in a park and enjoy lunch quietly? Seems to me that was the only reason an officer approached us (My husband being Latino). After showing his documentation the officer left. Was I asked to show documentation, of course not, I'm not dark skinned. So needless to say, YES this new law is being used in Arizona as racial profiling.
May 25, 2010 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
My bad, akamai. Some of your more extreme moments have reminded me of his mediocre ones, but like I said, I don't clearly remember many of his posts. I also didn't remember if there was an overlap...not that that's always a good indicator ;-)
At any rate, glad to know you are not the same as that "rank" one (pun intended) and I'm very confident you aren't that "Brit-in-a-sack" one. While you and I often agree to a point and then part ways, I do find you entertaining.
May 25, 2010 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
inawe:
Sometimes, in life, when wrong has gained too much of a foothold, some innocent people have to be inconvenienced in order to find the guilty who are hiding among them. I am sorry that this affects you and your husband but that is a price of responsibility he must pay as a free citizen (freedom isn't free, remember?). Sadly, part of that price he is now paying is from years of not only apathy, but of encouragement to break US laws by both the Mexican and the US governments. If we had been enforcing these laws all along, your husband wouldn't have had to take the 30 seconds out of his life to show his ID to the police officer who is now doing the INS's job for them at increased risk to his own life. Also, I'm sorry the officer didn't automatically suspect you of being a Canadian illegal.....he must be (gasp) human and thus, using human logic based on the location and criminal demographic of his geographical location.
May 25, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OutsiderJ (anonymous) says...
The bottom line is, if you are here as an immigrant, then carry your damn visa/green card....If you are an American citizen, carry your government issured i.d. (Drivers License, State I.D. etc.)...If you are here illegally you have several choices. Achieve legal status, don't make waves or commit crimes, hide, or go home. I just don't see this as a way to profile. You have nothing to fear, legal or illegal if the law has no cause to talk to you.
May 25, 2010 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
inawe
Sure there are going to be officers who misuse the law, always have been always will be. That doesn't make the law wrong.
I would think that your husband should be glad he could prove he is an American citizen and be able to tell the officer up yours.
The law doesn't allow for profiling you guys should have asked for the officers badge # and turned him in.
May 25, 2010 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Isn' t it a bit ludicrous to say that an immigration law of the U.S. or any of its " Soverign " States of the U.S. is racial profiling, when the State of Mexico does the exact same thing to anyone who is light skinned or suspected of being a " Norte Americano " or from the " Estados Unidos " and lets not forget their immigration are as strict or more strict than the U.S.s' . After all you have to prove that you will not be a drain on the Mexican economy or can add to or benefit the Mexican economy as well as some other pretty strict immigration requirements.
Tell me, which illegal immigrant nationality, or race has the larges numbers in the U.S. ? That by means of being here " Illegally " are the highest number of immigrants breaking the law .
The following site has a video of illegal immigrant activity in Arizona.
http://www.cis.org/Arizona-SB1070
May 25, 2010 at 4:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
FYI, About three-quarters (76%) of the nation's unauthorized immigrants are Hispanic. The majority of undocumented immigrants (59%) are from Mexico. Significant regional sources of unauthorized immigrants include Asia (11%), Central America (11%), South America (7%), the Caribbean (4%) and the Middle East (less than 2%).
Source,
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report...
Now, where exactly is the illegal immigration and illegal immigrant problem comming from ?
So, which illegal immigrant population is and would be the biggest drain on the economy of the U.S., because of their over abuse of the Government, taxpayer funded entitlement programs?
Therefore which population of illegal immigrants actually need to be looked at the hardest ? And it is not racial profiling to look at the largest and biggest problem first.
And remember we are talking about illegal immigrants that have broken the law, first and foremost by entering the U.S. illegally in the first place.
And please notice the source of the information.
May 25, 2010 at 4:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Darn near 8 out of 10 are Hispanic, but questioning Hispanics is profiling eh? I wish they would just make up a statistic and profile me, I would be proud to prove my citizenship.
May 26, 2010 at 12:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
akamai,
Be careful when feeding that squirrel !
After a while all it's friends and family will hear about his easy life and you will be overrun by squirrels. they will squat in your attic and eat the insulation off your wires and then poop inside. There is nothing worse than a bunch of entitled feeling varmits taking over your property and demanding a free lunch.
May 26, 2010 at 6:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
lol Steve.
inawe, I'm glad that police officer asked your husband for documentation. He was doing his job. On the day our family arrived in Emporia in 1975, we had gone to Soden's Grove to enjoy a fast food lunch in the shade. It didn't take long before an Emporia Police officer stopped to ask us for ID. My husband had spotted him following us across town from McDonald's. We had Hawaii plates on our car. I'm sure that is what did it. None of us is dark skinned. So, were we profiled?
Did he have a right to stop us for ID? We all had military ID with us, even the children, but we also had Hawaii drivers' licenses. Poor officer, I don't know what gears were being stripped in his brain. Was he trying to remember whether or not Hawaii was really a state? Whether we may have come across the Pacific on some new bridge?
He did ask. "How'd you get your car here?" Ummmmmmm, on...a...big...boat.
May 26, 2010 at 9:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai
You have made reference to your military rank. Therefore I am assuming that your are in the military now or have been in the military. And I assume you took the military oath .
Did you not in taking the oath, swear to defend the U.S., the Constitution, its laws and its citizens from all threats, both foreign and domestic, with your very life, if necessary ?
If, so, do you believe that the non-stop, uncontrolled " Illegal immigration and Illegal immigrants " amounts to an invasion of sorts of a foreign nature and that those same " foreign, illegal immigrants " are a threat to the " Legal citizens, the Constitution, the Laws of the U.S. and the U.S., itself " ?
As I see it, you are in quite a quandry/dilemma my friend. Either you believe in upholding the oath you took when you entered the military or you refuse to uphold the oath and turn your back on your Country, its government , and its " Legal citizens ", who, by the way pay you for protecting them, their country, the Constitution, their laws .
May 26, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
I also know the oath very well. I also understood and understand that the Constitution of the United States is " The People " of the United States as well as the Country, the U.S.A itself, and if you don' t or can' t understand that, then you are in the wrong military of the wrong Country and I am sure that Mexico would be glad to have you in there military. And now it is quite clear to me why this Country is in very deep trouble.
May 26, 2010 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai,
So you may understand what the Constitution is, here is the preamble to the Constitution,
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
So, as you can see, the Constitution of the United States is " We The People of the United States ", which happens to be the very first words of the Constititution of the United States.
Oh, yes and in case you don' t know what a " preamble " is, 1. A preliminary statement, especially the introduction to a formal document that serves to explain its purpose.
2. An introductory occurrence or fact; a preliminary.
I Clear now ?
May 26, 2010 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
And you sir, Akamai, are pissing me off with your lack of knowledge of supposedly your own countrys, laws, its Constitution and above all your stupid comment about the protection the Constitution gives to all " Citizens " and the key word being " Citizens", meaning " Legal Citizens " of the U.S.A. and by God, " Illegal Immigrants " are not " Legal Citizens " of the U.S.A. and therefore by your own words are not afforded the protection of the Constitution of the United States.
Its, absolutely amazing how many people who are or claim to be citizens of the U.S.A. and keep pointing to the Constitution and yet don' t really understand anything about the Constitution and supposedly have served in the military and still didn' t understand that the Constitution is " The People ", the legal citizens of the country . Man oh Man the U.S. is in really big trouble .
May 26, 2010 at 5:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh, Akamai, you really don' t understand anything.
The 14th amendment
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
A naturalized citizen is a foreign national who is granted citizenship in the United States after fulfilling certain requirements. In addition to the United States, many other nations offer naturalization to people who wish to apply for citizenship. The naturalization laws for various countries are typically available through their departments of immigration.
Therefore there are, as I see it only two ways to become a citizen of the U.S., as stated above. One cannot become a citizen of the U.S., simply by illegally entering a country. There are proceedures required by a countrys laws to become a legal citizen of a country.
And even if Illegal Immigrants have a child who is in the U.S., the child is the only one who will be a citizen of the U.S., the parents would still be considered, by law as being illegal immigrants.
Also common sense logic dictates, that if an immigrant could just enter the U.S. at any time, be a citizen automatically and reap the benefit and the protection of the Constitution and all of the U.S.s' laws and citizen benefits, then why would they have to go to the trouble of aquiring fake or forged citizens documents . And why would there be a need for Illegal Immigration/Immigrant laws. Doesn' t make much sense does it.
Sir, you can get pissed of at me all you want and think I and others are ganging up on all the brown skinned people . But I really think you know that is not the case. Illegal Immigration/Immigrants of all colors and nationalities must be stopped or controlled and Immigration laws must be enforced to the letter and better than it is or has been .
May 26, 2010 at 6:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai
It just happens to be a fact, that the highest number of Illegal Immigrants entering the U.S. illegally, just happens to be brown of skin and also seem to be the biggest problem. Those Sir, are the plain facts, so I guess you have reason to be pissed of at me and others.
May 26, 2010 at 6:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh, Akamai,
You still understand nothing. Each State has Soverign power, which means they have jurisdiction over any and all who enter, travel through or live in their State. Whether they are there legally or Illegally .
Go to Arizona or any State and break their speed law or any State law and see if they have jurisdiction over you, whether you are a Legal or Illegal citizen.
Please stop your insane. nonsensical, ramblings, before someone puts a straight jacket on you.
Holy cow, if there are only two ways for an immigrant to become or be recognized as a citizen and that being born here or a naturalized citizen. How can a State recognize them as a citizen ? Duuuuuuhhhh !
May 26, 2010 at 6:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Akamai, your stupidity and prejudice doesn' t deserve a respose.
May 26, 2010 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_...
I won't say all illegal immigrants are from Mexico, but I will say a majority of them are.
May 26, 2010 at 8:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Would, or could anyone but akamai, please explain to me, how in the blue blazes, anyone can say, with apparent conviction, that they are against illegal immigration and be against the enforcement of the illegal immigration laws, even if the " Soverign " individual States must do the job themselves, because the Federal Government will not or has failed to ?
And how any illegal immigration law can be enforced without there being an actual, check of a persons, i.d./papers, who breaks a law , such as speeding, dui, not wearing a seat belt, etc.etc..
Perhaps there are psychic's that could ride along with lawenforcement and tell which are illegal immigrants, before a stop, for breaking the law ?
akamai, please do not answer, as your rattlebrained nonsense is making me allmost as dizzy as you.
May 27, 2010 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Will, not read or post for a while, as this old illegal, non-citizen, Native American must get some things done around my illegally owned property.
May 27, 2010 at 8:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Hey interesting story, to me at least. I was pulled over the other night because of a slipped bulb in the headlight. Get this, the cop actually had the gall to ask for my ID and insurance information. The nerve of this guy right? I mean here I am just driving around minding my own business and he pulls me over to check my "citizenship". What is this country coming too? Did Kansas pass the immigration law like Arizona too? What the hell?
Ok you people should know that hurt a lot to type and not laugh at the same time. Arizona's law says you must be under suspicion of a crime to stop you and ask for ID. Simple as that. Kind of like my experience. I didnt know that the light was out, but I was still breaking the law.
Akamai, sorry but shhhh. breathe a little. Now that you are rested. What does an illegal immigrant look like? interesting question. well it looks like you, like me, like your neighbor. Imagine why police are so hard up to find them now. They masquerade as citizens, by citizens i mean born here ore went through the proper operations required by state and federal government. Do some help out the economy? Sure. Does that make it right that they still broke the law and are repeatedly breaking the law by being here? Hell no it doesnt. Illegal is illegal. whether you came here illegaly, or you just had a headlight out.
America for Americans
May 27, 2010 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Oh and I do have one small grudge against the officer that pulled me over. By the time he let me go on my way with a warning, thanks dude!, Quiznos was closed and I had to settle for McDonalds. Say all you want, sometimes your too lazy to cook to. But other than that the guy was polite, good natured, and he only gave me warning. hell of a nice guy, even for a cop. hahahaha.
America for Americans
May 27, 2010 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )