Cathy Terrell took her Spanish class students back more than 40 years this spring as they studied — actively — the Chicano Movement in Los Angeles, and its protests and accomplishments.
On Tuesday, classes re-enacted a walkout that had taken place in 1968 in five high schools in the Los Angeles area.
The section was one of several movements Terrell introduced to classes to help them understand what she termed “those very turbulent times.”
At a pre-determined time during each class period, one student stood and requested that students walk out.
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tbluma (anonymous) says...
Our tax money at work
May 5, 2010 at 8:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Why is this sort of thing allowed in our public schools ? What does this teach ?
May 5, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wanderer (anonymous) says...
Well, it teaches history, communications, a bit of courage, and that the First Amendment isn't just a piece of paper. For some of them, it teaches their heritage and what their ancestors had to go through to be accepted as citizens. And it gives them hope that they can make a difference, just as the original Movement did. Frankly, I consider it time well-spent and a very useful lesson.
May 5, 2010 at 9:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Wanderer nailed it. It's a great lesson.
May 5, 2010 at 9:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
LESSON SMESSION.
It was a great day for the kids to get out of the classroom.
It didn't look like an angry group of protesters or kids even learning about protesting.
It looked like smiling kids outside enjoying a beautiful day in Emporia.
May 5, 2010 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
I certain children in Selma, AL have similar history lessons. Just as relevant.
May 5, 2010 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
*darn the quick fingers* That should have read "I'm certain..."
Good for you, Ms. Terrell.
May 5, 2010 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
Good Job! teach them , Information is Power !
May 5, 2010 at 10:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joetraveler (anonymous) says...
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May 5, 2010 at 11:56 p.m. ( permalink )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
And what laws would that be Joe?
May 6, 2010 at 1 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jimbo (anonymous) says...
the laws in arizona are not racist. If you have to have a green card or a work card or be a legal immigrant to be in this country then they are not following the law making it illegal for them to be in our country. if they had the correct documentation then it would be okay. So this is how it should be. If you are here illegally then you get deported. Period
May 6, 2010 at 1:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
new film likely to be shown on HBO is circulating in California universities. Walkout claims to be the story of the late sixties school walkouts in LA, led by mostly Mexican youth activists. Coming along with the movie is the "real guy" who is portrayed as the teacher-activist who helped start the walkouts, Mr Sal Castro, who says he taught in the LA schools for 38 years, following his 60's outburst.
The strength of the movie, which should be underlined, is the clear portrayal of youth and others who courageously took direct action, massive walkouts from LA high schools, at great risk, in order to fight oppressive, racist, school conditions. Their walkouts, according to the film, mixed leadership with spontaneity, planning with critical analyses of conditions--and risky action-and swept across five LA high schools.
The youth made demands ranging from bi-lingual education and a halt to bans on speaking Spanish in schools, to involuntary transfers of racist teachers, to an end of paddling, unlocked rest rooms, and a halt to custodial work as a form of punishment. Initially, they made their demands to principals, who rejected them out of hand, urging caution on the part of youth who would "ruin your career," if they persisted. The kids pressed on, taking their demands to the school board which maneuvered for time, perhaps expecting the issues would die out as students graduated.
So, in evening meetings with Castro's leadership, the kids made a plan, collectively. Some first suggested a boycott, but following more discussion they chose a walkout---a better demonstration of organization and militancy, raising the ante.
The plan was for all schools to walk out on the same day, but one school jumped the gun, walking out early, spontaneously. That put pressure on the remaining schools to follow suit, quickly, and they did. Day one of the full walkouts went fairly smoothly, but when day two came, with walkouts planned at only a few target schools, the LA police department attacked. They locked down the schools and brutally beat those who sought to leave. Even so, masses of kids walked out, once again.
Following the police attack, 13 youth, and Castro, were arrested on felony charges---conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor by disrupting a school. The charges were dropped, years later.
However, masses of protesting students were joined by parents and community people, forging a powerful alliance in community-wide demonstrations portrayed in the film.
In the interim, the California University System opened its doors to Chicano youth after the walkouts, and especially, according to Castro, Chicano activists, many of them his friends.
May 6, 2010 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
When did this sort of lesson start ?
Before or after Arizona implemented a law that the Federal Government was afraid to enact ?
Exactly when did the laws of the this country or any country not apply to anyone either visiting, living or working in that country, legally or illegally ?
If you/we are not going to demand that everyone who visits or lives and works in the U.S., abide by the laws of the U.S.or any country, then what good are those laws in the first place ?
Go to any country and break the laws of that country and see what happens and it will not matter whether you are a citizen of that country, are there legally or illegally, you will be punished, in one way or another.
Finally, is this what my/our education tax dollars are meant to be used for, to teach the children, anarchy, disrespect for a countrys laws and above all, a countrys laws don' t apply to everyone ?
There are a lot of people in this country that had better wake up and stop living in a euphoric dream world and realize that this country is under attack, both from within the country and outside the borders of this country and the attacks are not necessarily of a military or terrorist nature and our children are even being taught, in subtle ways and means, that the laws of a country, especially this country mean absolutely nothing and that a countrys constitution and amendments are something to be exploited taken advantage of .
If I sound angry, I am . It angers and pains me to see what has and is happening in and to this once great country over the years. And the sad thing is, noone seems to care, even one little bit, least of all those who are and have been taking advantage of those who pay taxes and those who either don' t care or are unwilling to do anything about it.
The way I see it, Arizona finally got fed up with the Feds lack of action and acted to protect itself from an invasion of sorts . And if I am understanding correctly, according to the Constitution, each and every state has the right and power to protect itself from aggression, invassion or invaders when and if the Federal Government cannot or is unwilling to do so.
I appologize for the long angry rant, but, my fellow Americans had better wake up to whats happening to this country .
May 6, 2010 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
Some times the Laws of this country are and were unjust ! And they just just stood up for what they believe. When you do not know your history you become lost and sometimes history will repeat itself .
May 6, 2010 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kseyetie (anonymous) says...
Good job, teach! Learning in the real world? What a concept.
May 6, 2010 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
77flint (anonymous) says...
Great Job Ms. Terrell, the system is not always correct and this shows how the students in the past addressed it.
May 6, 2010 at 9:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
My question is what does this have to do with the mechanics of speaking Spanish? It is fine to teach something like this in history class or even civics. I read the rest of the story and one of the students they interviewed indicated that they had spent a few weeks on this. Weeks? Really? If they are still teaching Castilian Spanish then the origins, history and context associated with the language needs to emanate from Spain, not Mexico and certainly not greater Los Angeles. I can see why people have concerns about indoctrination and being inappropriate. Turning a relatively recent footnote of civil disobedience into the primary focus of a section in a middle school Spanish language course? Wow. Amazing.
May 6, 2010 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lets_get_reasonable (anonymous) says...
I never took a foreign language in middle school, but I took French for three years in high school - part of being in ANY foreign language class is learning about the culture and history. The classes are meant to teach you anything and everything about the countries/cities that the language is spoken in. For instance, in French we didn't just learn about France. We learned about Belgium, Haiti, Louisiana, the Ivory Coast - places all over the world where French is a prominent language. We also learned French history which taught us to fully understand and respect the culture, and fulfill our desire to learn the language in the first place. To say that a language class should ONLY teach the language is ignorant.
May 6, 2010 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Meth
You're right on top of this one.
I beleive the word they need to teach is ASSIMILATE.
My ansector's did as did many many others until now.
While the lesson may have been history and to the point, staging fake walkouts seems to be a perfect waste of time.
May 6, 2010 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Nice try LGR. I said you should cover origins, history AND context but just focusing on one of the many endpoints of the language and discarding the heavy influence of the country of Spain in favor of spending 2 to 3 weeks on an example of civil disobedience is the ignorance you speak of. Its relevant because the people that walked out spoke Spanish? Its tangential at best.
May 6, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
That is perfect Farm Raised. That is what I am talking about. I think I might know the woman from Peru that spoke to her class. :)
May 6, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
We are a nation of immigrants, unparalleled diversity, and of oppressed groups who have fought, and continue to fight, for citizenship and equal rights.
This is American History. The students of Ms. Terrell will remember this very important lesson.
May 6, 2010 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
check this out, if it works.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-...
May 6, 2010 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Tbluma,
Is that the story about kids getting kicked out of school for wearing American flag tshirts on the 5th of May?
May 6, 2010 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Yep it works
You have to scroll down and click on the Students wearing American tees article on the right.
May 6, 2010 at noon ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Un-bloody-believable! Well I guess I do believe it.
May 6, 2010 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
This legacy is every bit as historical as the Boston Tea Party. Our country has a long history of deciding that the reigning laws are unjust and rebelling against them. We celebrate Rosa Parks' rebellion too. Rebellion is the American way from our heritage to our legacy. The number one byproduct of that is our arrogance. I love my country, but I have to admit that this rebellious nature that began it all will also be its downfall because the line can never be effectively drawn...there will always be more to rebel against.
I woke up on the wrong side of the bed on this great day in Emporia!
May 6, 2010 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
In America you can protest anything except taxes.
May 6, 2010 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
a-ha-ni, ge-sv-i, he-a, ga-wo-ni-hi-s-di, v-hna-i, mi-e, tsu-ni-ga-yv-li-i-yv-(li)-s-ta-av.
Translation:
Here is the language of my ancestors.
May 6, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Isthay isway ethay anguagelay ofway ymay eoplepay.
May 6, 2010 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Is that gangsta slang?
May 6, 2010 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Happens to be the language of a people that were here in this country long before any Europeans, Spanish, etc., in otherwords a people native to this country. Native Americans. Particularly, " Cherokee " . Of which I, " Standing Buffalo " am proud to be a blood member of .
May 6, 2010 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I didn't mean to disrespect you or your people methusla. I was just makin' a funny. Sorry.
May 6, 2010 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tre_t (anonymous) says...
Some people just don't understand because they have never had anything to protest except a smoking ban. So they say we are trying to overthrow the government and break laws ect..when all we are trying to overthrow is simpe minded mentalities. Since when was teaching students about their Constitutional rights against the law..or a waste of tax money. Just because you dont agree with it-- THATS THE BEAUTY OF IT! I wonder how many of you posting crude and negative comments actually have a child in Mrs Terrell's class huh?
May 6, 2010 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Who is "we"?
May 6, 2010 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tre_t (anonymous) says...
"We" as in those who fight for their rights. Those who stand up against oppression and racism, ect.. Those who rebel against the norm. People like me. "We"
May 6, 2010 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Like the tea party.
May 6, 2010 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tre_t (anonymous) says...
If you say so..don't know much about the tea party but I know they have to right to assemble and protest and form their own views about whatever
May 6, 2010 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tre_t (anonymous) says...
that is if you want to call excessive taxation and goverment intrusion oppression but I was thinking more on the lines of Civil rights and stuff like that. And I doubt the tea party is standing up against racism..correct me if I'm wrong but they are defending claims of racism against them?
May 6, 2010 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
An African American gentleman prayed the opening prayer at the local tea party party. I'm guessing he is not racist.
I have met Latinos who are racists. I have met African Americans who are racist. I'm sure they were for civil rights as long as they benifited from it. There are racists and other naughty people in every "movement".
I'm still unclear as to who specifically "we" is.
May 6, 2010 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
seriously,
No offense taken, my friend . Just thought I would explain what the strange language was.
If you would like to take a look at Native American words of Wisdom. Go to the following site.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CHjX...
May 6, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tre_t (anonymous) says...
I never said that the tea party is racist. I said they are battling claims of racism..made by someone other than me. And you're right there are racists in every movement, every race. Just know that "We" obvioulsy dont include "You". And simple minded people like you think that oppressed people only fight because it benefits them. Oh what great benefit Dr. Martin Luther King Jr got..a bullet to the head
May 6, 2010 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
tre_t
Mrs.Terrell is probably a very fine teacher. Obviously DLC or couldn't teach a spanish class.
Spanish class is the key phrase.
History class is where they should learn about "those very turbulent times", or constitional law.
As far as constitional law or the laws of the UNITED STATES are concerned, if it or they were followed we very probably wouldn't be having this discussion. I see nothing simple minded or racist about wanting the law obeyed.
There was probably oppresion and racism (God I hate that word) that caused the 1968 deal, but I see more racism against natural born Americans than anyone else today.
FarmRaised
Sheriff Joe is by no means out of hand.It's time we quit coddling crooks.
Arizona finally got tired of letting the USCIS, as you called them, handle the rest because, point in fact it isn't being handled.
May 6, 2010 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
tre_t
PS
No I don't have a child in her class but if I did htere would be serious conversation about how much longer and just so you don't think I'm racist the same would happen if some teacher got in front of my kid and started preaching gun control.
I sent my kid to school to learn not to be indoctrinated.
May 6, 2010 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I still have a hard time figuring out how all the Arizona ruckus is racist. AMERICAN CITIZENS have nothing to fear, CRIMINALS do. How is that racist?
I really don't see naything wrong with what this teacher is doing, however if it is a precursor to the behavior posted in the article Tbluma linked earlier then, yeah, we are headed for problems.
May 6, 2010 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
FarmRaised
You certainly do have to carry around ID.
If you get stopped by the police driving you'd better have a DL, if you go to a bar you'd better have proof of age, last time I bought a license plate(after going through a metal detector) I had to show my DL.
Arizona is not just after hispanics there are other illeagals besides them.
Besides which when are you people going to figure out the meaning of the word ILLEAGAL?
May 6, 2010 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
FarmRaised
You certainly do have to carry around ID.
If you get stopped by the police driving you'd better have a DL, if you go to a bar you'd better have proof of age, last time I bought a license plate(after going through a metal detector) I had to show my DL.
Arizona is not just after hispanics there are other illeagals besides them.
Besides, which, when are you people going to figure out the meaning of the word ILLEAGAL?
May 6, 2010 at 3:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Darn I hate it when I post the same thing twice
May 6, 2010 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
What is verification of status but an ID. You're the one that said hispanics shouldn't have to show their ID. I just changed it to illeagals so I'd be politically correct.
May 6, 2010 at 3:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sloan (anonymous) says...
Well said, Wanderer. As usual, the Gazette posters turn this (and just about any article) into an argument. This is most likely the kind of discussion that leads outsiders to decide Emporians are negative.
May 6, 2010 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
If they have a DL it's good enough. They already had to prove verification of status to get it.
You ought to go read the Arizona law, maybe your knickers wouldn't be so bunched up.
Besides it's like Goodoleboy said; nothing to worry about if you're leagal
May 6, 2010 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Arguement equals debate.
Well I've been called a racist and now a bigot.
I guess if I think the law should be followed I can take it.
Have a good day.
May 6, 2010 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
What’s wrong with the Arizona Law ? Which brown skin person looks Illegal ! How will they distinguish from legal and illegal. They would have to stop everyone and ask to see their ID, and I mean everyone of all colors and races to make it fair .
May 6, 2010 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
That is rough Tbluma. Its getting really easy to be labeled a bigot and a racist these days if someone disagrees with you and can't argue on the merits. You even have the law on your side in this instance.
Well for what its worth, I don't think you are racist or a bigot. You are most likely a law abiding citizen and you respect the rule of law. If we could simply pick and choose the laws we wanted (or were politically influenced) to follow we would be a lot like the countries people flee from to find a better life here.
May 6, 2010 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
If Sweden replaced Mexico to the South and she was caught speeding you can bet she would have. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with common sense. People want to play the race card when in truth it does not matter what color the illegal immigrants are, is is the raw factual data that in the Southern United States %99 of all illegal immigrants are in fact hispanic.
If I was a hispanic in Arizona, I would get said proof, put in the glovebox of my car with vehicle registration and display it proudly when my citizenship was questioned, but hey thats me......
Good grief people, if we had an island of white people illegally coming here into a state and that state did the same as Arizona would that be racist? logic, common sense, and reason seem to be lost commodities in all this. As I stated earlier if you have done no wrong you have nothing to fear.
May 6, 2010 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
When an APB goes out for white/black/hispanic/ male is that racial profiling? It's an allegation after all.... geez
May 6, 2010 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Well, unless one is just plain ignorant, it's not rocket science that an overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in the American Southwest are in fact Hispanic. Common sense would dictate that if that were not case that people would be claim that Hispanics and OTHER ethnicities would be targeted, which is not the case.
But since you wish to question the obvious:
"According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, in 2005, 57% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico; 24% were from other Latin American countries, primarily from Central America; 9% were from Asia; 6% were from Europe; and 4% were from the rest of the world."
57+24+9= 90
Drill that down to the offenders along the Southwest border I'll bet they farm the offenders are %99.9 Hispanic.
No racial bias, just plain facts, maybe next up criminals should sue for being profiled against for previous offenses.
I'll say it again, if you have done no wrong, you have 0 to fear.
May 6, 2010 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
We will not all agree and that is a good thing. I think each one of us needs to be challenged. This issue is one that will continue to have 2 sides. But I do like that Cathy is using other things and motives to teach our students.
May 6, 2010 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dude (anonymous) says...
I wonder how many of the spanish students are anchor babies with one parent illegal and are worried about Ks following Arizona's suit and passing a similar law.If you aren't legal why do you continue to make babies that the rest of us have to support because you might be sent back to where you belong?
May 6, 2010 at 5:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Spreading Hate and Discontent!!
May 6, 2010 at 5:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
In the recent raid by ICE throughout the midwest the article I read stated that there were like 40 different nationalities. It was not restricted to hispanics and definitely not profiling. The Arizona Law could reflect the same. Something for thought.
May 6, 2010 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
If spreading hate and discontent is demanding that our laws be respected and our tax dollars restricted to services for our own citizens then shucks, guess a lot of us are a bunch o' darn hate mongers. Shame on us.
May 6, 2010 at 5:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
40 different nationalities yet according to the data we have %90 of them all share one thing in common, they have brown pigment in their dermis. If 9 out of 10 offenders are share this trait how is that "profiling". If they went the way of Michael Jackson and bleached their skin white would we be profiling white people?
This is not about race; it is about a free lunch ending for illegal immigrants and those that prey upon them. I'll go out on a limb and wager that in a year things are going to pick up in Arizona and more states will adopt similar policies, eventually maybe even the talking heads in DC will adopt it. Early adopters in every facet of life always pay the heaviest toll.
May 6, 2010 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
I agree. I was referring to the Walking Out and what it was teaching.
May 6, 2010 at 5:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Bill now in our Kansas House. This needs to be fast tracked. You can look up the entire bill at http://www.kslegislature.org/bills/20...
We need to contact our leaders to push this through ASAP.
HOUSE BILL No. 2202
By Representatives Kinzer and A. Brown, Crum, Donohoe, Huebert,
Kiegerl, Myers, Patton and Watkins
2-2
AN ACT concerning enforcement of laws pertaining to unlawful immi-
gration; amending K.S.A. 21-3830, 22-2802 and 25-2416 and repealing
the existing sections.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas:
New Section 1. (a) All state officials, agencies and personnel shall
fully comply with, and, to the full extent permitted by law, support the
enforcement of federal law prohibiting the entry into, presence or resi-
dence in the United States of aliens in violation of federal immigration
law.
(b) All state, county and city law enforcement officers shall inquire
into the citizenship and immigration status of any person arrested for a
violation of any state law or municipal ordinance, regardless of the per-
son’s national origin, ethnicity or race, where such inquiry does not sig-
nificantly expand the duration of the detention. In all such cases where a
person indicates that such person is not a citizen or national of the United
States, the law enforcement agent shall verify with the federal govern-
ment whether the alien is lawfully or unlawfully present in the United
States, pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373(c). If the alien is verified to be unlaw-
fully present in the United States, the law enforcement officer shall co-
operate with any request by federal immigration authorities to detain the
alien or transfer the alien to the custody of the federal government.
(c) Pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1373 and 1644, no official, personnel or
agent of a city, county or state law enforcement agency may be prohibited
or in any way restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining, infor-
mation regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any in-
dividual, or exchanging such information with any other federal, state or
local government entity. No city, county or state law enforcement agency
may by ordinance, resolution, official policy or informal policy, prevent
its officers from asking individuals their citizenship or immigration status.
May 6, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
This topic will hit 100 before Midnight!
May 6, 2010 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
FarmRaised
I'll make one more stab at this and then I'm done.
The very first 8 words of the Arizona law makes your arguement a mote point.
Read "FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT"
That eliminates racial profiling.
You will probably say how or why.
I will explain
Any lawful contact means there must be a reason to stop the person to begin with, no matter what they look like.
So pull your knickers down and get over it.
By the way I can't beleive you were farm raised. If you were a bull from the left coast must have jumped the fence. lol
May 6, 2010 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
tbluma (or anyone else), where did you find the definition of lawful contact? What happens if I (a white guy) gets stopped on the street because I happen to fit the description of a wanted suspect? Is that lawful contact? Could they then demand that I prove I am a U.S. citizen? How am I going to prove that? What if I'm not carrying any identification?
May 6, 2010 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
If a country, any country has laws in place that require any person entering, working or visiting said country, must do so " Legally " and in compliance with said countries immigrant, immigration or migrant worker or visitor laws , then those who enter said country/countries that have such laws in place are doing so " Illegally " and breaking the laws of those countries that have immigration,immigrant, migrant worker or visitor laws and those who chose to enter those countries " Illegally " can and should expect to be punished to the full extent of those countries laws, no matter what color their skin or nationality.
Its just that simple.
Except when it comes to the United States.
It would seem that the general attitudue of a lot of U.S. citizens is, The laws that every legal citizen of the U.S. must/should adhere to are not meant to be adhered to by " Illigal, Legal, immigrant " , migrant worker or visitor
It is a sad day indeed when some are required to adhere to the laws of a country and others are not required to do so..
May 6, 2010 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I will try and explain this one more time.
The Constitution of the United States, gives each State certain soverign powers.
Among these are the right to defend its borders and citizens from any and all acts of agression, invasion, etc., that the State feels is a threat to its economic well being, soverignty, its citizens, etc.. And this includes, if the Federal Government is unable or unwilling to do so.
So get over it people, States and their Legal citizens are fed up with Fed inaction, incapability and reluctance to do anything about " Illegal immigration " .
And I hope Kansas and all of the States take the iniciative that Arizona has had the " Nads " to do and the " Nadless Chicken Littles " in Washington D.C. refuse to.
May 6, 2010 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
irish
If you fit the description, I would presume it would be lawful, however I certainly am not a lawyer. So ask one.
What difference does it make anyway, if your legal or not a criminal, no problem.
Sure it irks me that I have to through a metal detector to get on an airplane but if we had better boarder protection maybe that wouldn't be necessary.
The thing that is to be lacking here is common sense.
Illegal is illegal and lawful contact is lawful contact.
At least it used to be until all the bleading heart, liberal, no common sense people took over the courts and the country.
May 6, 2010 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
By the way Irish
Your senerio is a perfect example of reverse descrimination.
Since you are a (white guy)
the ACLU or nobody else is going to give a sh##t. If you however happen to be "different" then we get this debate currently on this page.
May 6, 2010 at 8:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Go Meth
May 6, 2010 at 8:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mrsterrell1984 (anonymous) says...
The Walkout on Wednesday was taught as part of a 2 week unit in preparation for Cinco de Mayo. If you read the article in its entirity, you would also know that Wednesday's celebration, following Tuesday's walkout was to honor and recongize the accomplishments that we have all made in our American society since the 1960s. The state and national standards for the teaching of Spanish require culture to be included in the Spanish curriculum. In addition, effective teachers are diligent about teaching their content areas in ways that connect with other content areas. Teaching this unit provided a wonderful opportunity to connect the spanish language with american history, mexican american culture and social studies. The students learned a lot, as did many Gazette readers which is reflected by this wonderfully colorful dialogue.
May 6, 2010 at 8:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
mrsterrell
While I don't agree with your lesson plan, just my opinion, I do respect your point of veiw and your acceptance of what has transpired here.
Have a nice day tomorrow.
May 6, 2010 at 9:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
I thought Ms Terrell's lesson was a good one inasmuch as it gave her students hands-on experience, something that will drive home the message she was teaching about this day in history. Nothing wrong with hands-on since most young people learn best that way. What would they have learned by just reading about it? This way, the information she taught is driven even deeper into their brains. They will likely not forget this lesson or this day.That is how teaching hits its mark.
Right on, Ms Terrell. Bueno, bueno. Yes, I immediately began thinking of state standards when I first began to read this forum. I'm glad you brought it up. Way to go! As a retired teacher, I salute you! Unfortunately, so many today don't understand creative teaching methods.
May 6, 2010 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
Good Job , I am proud of you Cathy. Keep reaching the kids the best way you can
May 6, 2010 at 9:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Well create, all I can say is this, if her state assessments are good then the school will support it, if not.......
Still waiting for those explanations as to how the Arizona law is racist.......
May 6, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
mrsterrell1984
I agree, hands on experience, teaching is a good as it gets for making an impression on all ages.
One question, what sort of hands on experience is planned before the 4th of July, celebrating Americas' Independence from England .
May 6, 2010 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"The Chicano Movement of the 1960s, also called the Chicano Civil Rights Movement, also known as El Movimiento, is an extension of the Mexican American Civil Rights Movement which began in the 1940s with the stated goal of achieving "social destruction" and Mexican American empowerment."
"social destruction" ............. nice
"Many advocate taking this US soil by use of arms. " ............ nice
May 6, 2010 at 11:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/...
Again I wonder, follow the law you have nothing to fear, IMO we should just take Mexico and deal with the problem all at once. The Mexican government seems to be the minority over the drug cartels anyways.
May 7, 2010 at midnight ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, I would agree with you about the Mexican government having little control over the drug cartels. Unfortunately that government has been impotent for a long time, providing little for the people to hang on to. But I am simplifying a very complex problem, one the church has a hand in too. (Small war of words to follow).
However, that's no excuse for breaking the law. When I hear the mayor of Los Angeles use the term "Undocumented workers" as a euphemism for illegal immigrant, it irritates me because therein lies more complexity with regard to the old argument that these workers are doing jobs no one else wants to do. Regardless, the law is still being broken and if you are here illegally, you can't stay. It is unfair to the rest of the people who came here by using the regular legal channels, or who have work visas.
Still, I don't recognize this Arizona law to be racist as long as people are not stopped indiscriminately just for i.d. checks, or stopped simply because they are Hispanic. But that's where the controversy starts, doesn't it. However, as far as I.D. is concerned, shouldn't we start checking all crime suspects for citizenship?
BTW, I was wondering about this when all this news about Arizona surfaced. What do you have in your wallet right now that will give evidence of your citizenship? I don't carry my passport with me on a regular basis, so aside from that, I have nothing to prove I was born in the United States.
Then again, if I show my Hawaiian birth certificate dated 1943, will that start off a small war with the birthers? Oh good grief!
It's a lovely time in Emporia. We missed the storm last night, something to be thankful for. Now go water your lawns and gardens.
May 7, 2010 at 5:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy says, "Well create, all I can say is this, if her state assessments are good then the school will support it, if not..."
Actually, you can't point to any one lesson as being the bane of a failed assessment. It's a collection of lots of stuff. Nonetheless, if ms Terrell were doing these kinds of creative lessons every single day, not only would the lessons lose their punch, her credibility would suffer as well, and the school would quickly withdraw its support.
Having trained many student teachers over the years, I have seen many creative lessons crafted by students anxious to impress me. But I always told them that it was okay to begin a new unit with p'zazz, but you can't keep that up or your own fire burns out and before long, student attention wanes. Teaching is a balancing act, and we must use a variety of methods to keep students interested in the topic, and to address all the different learning styles kids have.
Ever sit in a straight lecture class day after day? I used to dread those. Lots of kids sleep in those classes.
May 7, 2010 at 5:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
wow, lot's of comments on this one.
How much of this so-called indoctrination will even be remembered by the kids after summer break?
It was stated that:
"At a pre-determined time during each class period, one student stood and requested that students walk out. " I hope they spoke Spanish to make the request.
Also, is there a Chinese language class in Emporia Schools? At the rate we are borrowing from them, they will end up owning the United States and we may all need to speak a Chinese dialect.
May 7, 2010 at 6:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
Times are Changing! Kids today want something different, the same old stuff is boring. We need to be doing more hands on stuff. Example , if you are teaching a Business class, let the kids start a little business, teach about taxes , gross versus net etc...
May 7, 2010 at 7:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Looks like Mrs. Terrell will be able to teach a section soon on oppression of Americans at the hands of Americans in America for the sake of the Mexican flag on a date that has no legitimate significance in the United States.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/...
Demanding respect? Must be a cultural difference. I always thought you earned that by being respectful. They could start by respecting the flag of the country they fled to by not praising the flag of the country they fled from.
Lunacy!
May 7, 2010 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I am sorry to say that I found no such required Standard for the teaching of World Languages in any of the following,
KSDE, NBPTS OR ACTFL.
Perhaps I was looking in the wrong places or just was not understanding what I was reading .
May 7, 2010 at 10:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
Joe Traveler, for the record, your post was deleted for your language not your opinion.
May 7, 2010 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I used to have a Ford Pinto and I knew that if I got rear ended the car would blow up because of poor engineering by Ford. I couldn't afford a better car so I stole a Mercedes but I wanted to "keep it real" so I tore the Mercedes emblems off the car and replaced them with Ford emblems.
This is what I just don't understand and have asked many times without recieving a good answer. Why hold allegiance to a place that you risked life and limb to leave? Why not pledge allegiance to and respect the place(and the laws) that you are running to? It obviously offers something better or you wouldn't have come to it. There must be reasons that our country(United States) is successful and others are apparently not. Perhaps that is what should be taught.
May 7, 2010 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
allintogether
America stopped being America long ago when the elected representatives of the " Legal " citizens of America stopped carring about the immigrant problem, that is overwhelming America and flung wide the doors of Americas' borders to every immigrant, regardless of their intentions, willingness or lack of willingness to obey and abide by the laws that were put in place to protect the law-abiding citizens of America. And now you are see the results and I believe the beginning of the beginning of the end of the United States/America as we once knew it. And you may blame not only the immigrants, Legal and Illegal, but we are all to blame to allow it to happen. And the sad thing is, this is also taking place with help of some of our educators. Anymore you are not considered an American unless you are able to speak an immigrant language or learn an immigrants culture.
Fortunately for me, I am at/in the twilight of my life and thankfully I will not live to see the end of the Country I have so dearly loved. Fairwell, Adios, Auf Wiedersehen, America.
May 7, 2010 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
methusla, cultural requirements are included in the extended benchmarks of world languages. I found this information on the KSDE website for world languages.
Kansas World Language Curricular Standards
Extended Benchmarks
KSDE 3 Approved July 2008
Standard 5.1 Communities - Application. The student applies language skills and cultural knowledge both within and beyond the school setting.
Extended Benchmark 5.1. The student shares skills or knowledge with family, friends, and classroom guests.
Standard 5.2 Communities - Exploration. The student becomes a life-long learner for personal enjoyment and enrichment.
Extended Benchmark 5.2 The student locates sources of target language and culture related to personal interests.
May 7, 2010 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
I am sorry everyone, I am very pro education, but how in the wide, wide world of sports do they measure Standard 5.2? Its a nice sentiment but these are standards and requirements. Which I read as success criteria. You can't manage anything unless you can measure it. I wouldn't want my performance evaluated on a sentiment.
May 7, 2010 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Farmraised--
Got to give you props for eating crow. I am glad you did some research and realized that all that is really needed to have an ID. And BTW, I believe any government issued ID is acceptable, including a drivers license. So if you are pulled over for a minor traffic violation and don't have your driver's license, then yes, you may have to be held for a while. However, who is to blame? The cop or the person who broke not one but 2 laws?
May 7, 2010 at 11:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
In Kansas, when you go to get a drivers license, you must have your birth certificate and social security card in order to obtain a license. Therefore having your license should be all you need to prove citizenship.
Perhaps, however, since not everyone drives, the U.S. should create a card that U.S. citizens would carry, much like a license, proving their citizenship.
Honestly, if I were questioned about my citizenship, and needed to provide a card or other documentation to do so, I would do it. Why is that so hard? I guess people don't like to be inconvenienced.
Even if you are shopping or whatever else you may be doing, even if you aren't in a vehicle, if a police officer has to ask you for identification for whatever purpose you are supposed to have some form on you.
May 7, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create
I also read the extended bench marks and still do not see anything about " Walking Out " to learn or teach about someones culture.
I mean, after all there are cultures that teach, women are inferior to men, cultures that teach that terrorism is the accepted way of getting what you want, etc., etc. . I certainly don' t want this taught to our children, no matter how " reveloutionary " , no pun intended, it may be . I am not against teaching a child a foreign language, if that is what the child or parent wants. But to have a foreign language and a culture forced upon a child as a requirement of education I am not so keen on. I also feel that if the national language of a country is English, German, French or whatever, those who are going to live and work in a country other than their own, should at least respect that countrys laws and at least attempt to learn that countrys' nationally accepted language, instead of the other way round.
I also believe that children are smart enough to learn the culture of their classmates and friends without being forced to. Afterall children are naturally inquisitive to begin with.
Part of my cultural heritage is that of Cherokee Indian, so I will give you my real English birth name, in Cherokee, "Witsake Genisoni ". And Siliua Wagis, is my Native American Cherokee tribal name.
I see or hear of no teaching of true Native American culture or language in the public schools. And yet Native Americans, there culture, language, etc., has been forgotten and in some cases even banned. The native peoples of this country were even exterminated in large numbers, for their lands and the wea;th that their land contained. The Native Americans have been and are treated much worse than any immigrant would ever hope to be treated.
I am sorry, but I get a little upset when I hear how badly the immigrants, especially the Illegal immigrants are so misunderstood and mistreated. What a bunch of Bull . They never had it so good.
May 7, 2010 at 12:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Here is a look into the Cherokee culture, in the form of a Cherokee prayer.
Great Spirit Prayer
"Oh, Great Spirit, whose voice I hear in the wind,
Whose breath gives life to all the world.
Hear me; I need your strength and wisdom.
Let me walk in beauty, and make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset.
Make my hands respect the things you have made and my ears sharp to hear your voice
Make me wise so that I may understand the things you have taught my people.
Help me to remain calm and strong in the face of all that comes towards me.
Let me learn the lessons you have hidden in every leaf and rock.
Help me seek pure thoughts and act with the intention of helping others.
Help me find compassion without empathy overwhelming me.
I seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy
Myself.
May 7, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Here is another prayer I like,
O' GREAT SPIRIT
help me always
to speak the truth quietly,
to listen with an open mind
when others speak,
and to remember the peace
that may be found in silence.
Have a great day in Emporia everyone.
Witsake Genisoni
May 7, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
That was very cool methusla! Thanks for sharing.
I did a report in school about Kansa Indians ...... sadly I don't remember much about it. Perhaps I'll do a little research as a refresher.
May 7, 2010 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Oh i wish I were a fly on the wall at the daily Gazette staff meetings.
Let's pretend.
Chris- "There is not enough controversy in the news. The negative bloggers are winding down."
"What have you got people?"
Bobbi Mylnar- " I can do a story on the negative bloggers, that will get people stirred up"
Chris- "Yeah, Yeah, but we need something better, more controversial."
Bobbi- " How about a story on a Spanish teacher teaching something controversial?"
Chris-"Thats good, Scoop, it may bring out some discussion of racism and patriotism ." Ashley, honey, what have you got?"
Ashley- "I can do a editorial on National prayer day." That will bring out the religious bloggers debating HenryVIII who is against everything, because he cant buy his beer on Sundays."
Chris- "Good Good that will work. And I'll do one on allowing fireworks in the city this year." That will probably bring the grumpy old fart, Corbin into the fray."
Chris-" What do you have Gwen?"
Gwen- (nodding off by now), "Me ? How about a nice positive story about someones kid doing something nice, or silly?"
Chris- I'm trying to sell papers here woman! I want controversy."
Gwen- "Well Chris, it's only money, and positive news is good news and vice versa"
Ashley- I did that story on vice!"
to be continued by your comments?
May 7, 2010 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
/\ /\ /\ /\
That was funny, I tell ya what. :-)
May 7, 2010 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Steve,
You kill me man. I am going to patronize your establishment this weekend to thank you.
May 7, 2010 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
I am a student of Mrs.Terrell and I think she did a wonderful job! I respect her descion of doing this and I'm dissappointed that people would say such hurtful things about Mrs.Terrell and her decions about learning different cultures. She is a very good teacher and she is wonderful about her teaching.
May 7, 2010 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
I also agree with her saying if you are going to speak a lauguage you must learn about the culture it makes a lot more sense.
May 7, 2010 at 12:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
Honestly, I think that Mrs. Terrell did a great job teaching us this lesson. I am a student in her class and I agree that when you learn a language that you should also learn their culture. We were just learning how the Hispanics were treated in the 1960s. I think that it was a great learning experience, and it was a nice way to put something fun in the lesson.
May 7, 2010 at 12:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LeightonHainline (anonymous) says...
I am a student in Ms.Terrell's class and i feel that what she taught is important. In order to learn a new launguage you also need to know some of the background. Really why do we learn spanish? It is to talk to them. Why would we talk to someone we dont know anything about. I am glad to have her as a teacher who teaches me the importance of there culture.
May 7, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kelleykid26 (anonymous) says...
I am a student of Mrs. Terrell's spanish class. I thought the walkout was VERY fun and i learned alot about spanish culture and language!! GO MRS. TERRELL!!!! ☺
May 7, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alexwill (anonymous) says...
I am Alexandria. I am a student of Mrs.Terrell. I thought the walkout was a great idea to show us what the chicano students had to go through! I enjoyed learning about this subject! We need to know the culture behind something before we learn the language. I hope i can do it again sometime:) I love Mrs.Terrell and she is a great teacher!
May 7, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ash10scheller (anonymous) says...
I am also a student from Mrs. Terrell's Spanish class, and enjoyed taking part in the enlightening and fun experience. I am very pleased to be in Mrs. Terrell's class and to be learning things about other cultures that otherwise I would not. Learning the culture of the origin of a language has helped me tremendously to understand the language. Thank you Mrs. Terrell!
-Ashten Scheller
May 7, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
What sort of culture lessons are kids being taught in English class these days?
May 7, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Just an FYI...
The US does not recognize an "official language", however 80% of the population speaks English.
May 7, 2010 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
English isn't a foreign language. And, when you read literature in English, that's culture isn't it?
May 7, 2010 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Looks like Mrs. Terrell is now teaching kids about comment sections in newspaper forums.
May 7, 2010 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
Agreed with Meg.
May 7, 2010 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Seana_E_Herron (anonymous) says...
We spent a couple weeks learning a very useful leason.....I think that Mrs Terrell did a fantastic job. we did that walk out to show us what the mexicans were going through in the 1960`S....GREAT JOB Mrs Terrell!! and thank you..
May 7, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
This was our students choice and what happened to freedom of speech?
May 7, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
It was our idea. This is the first time we have been able to express our right to freedom of speech.
May 7, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alexwill (anonymous) says...
I agree with meg
May 7, 2010 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LeightonHainline (anonymous) says...
WE chose to post a comment. we feel it is unfair for people to talk about her when she is teaching what she is suppost to.
May 7, 2010 at 12:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
We don't appreciate it when people are saying rude things about OUR Spanish teacher.
May 7, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
And maybe we dont appreceate it when people that dont even know what she is teaching say mean things about her.
May 7, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ash10scheller (anonymous) says...
yev_kassem:
The idea of posting comments about our experience was ours. It is our right to have the freedom of speech. Connecting and conversing with others is also a fantastic learning experience. We do not appreciate it when our teacher is 'blamed' for doing her job!
May 7, 2010 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alexwill (anonymous) says...
We chose to post our feelings about this! She didnt make us! We have a right to post what we feel
May 7, 2010 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
You are getting school by me a 7th grader!
May 7, 2010 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Carmen131997 (anonymous) says...
Hello local Emporians. I am a formal student at Emporia Middle school and Mrs. Tarrell class one of the best Teacher here! the only reason she tought this is to show us how much curage the student of 1968 had. this was a great impact. THATNK YOU MRS. TARRELL!!!!!
May 7, 2010 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Was there any background taught about the Chicano Movement and it's "stated goal of achieving 'social destruction' and Mexican American empowerment." ? How was this idea of "social destruction" presented, if at all?
I honestly don't mean any disrespect to this teacher but as I looked into this movement I am disturbed by it.
Any insight into what exactly was taught about this movement would be greatly appreciated as I have children that will be entering the middle school in the near future.
May 7, 2010 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjL...
Anyone?
May 7, 2010 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
A desire to have equal rights is social destruction? I believe you are seriously mistaken, seriouslyfolks. Your high school diploma should be revoked.
May 7, 2010 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
peanuts40 (anonymous) says...
When learning a language it is a great idea to have lessons throughout the year in the history and culture of the people & the countries where it is spoken. This is not new; in the 1950s we learned about Rome in Latin Class & my granddaughter recently learned about French cuisine (for fun) in French class.
Saying that, I still cannot help feeling an uneasiness about a WALKOUT. The Chicano Movement could have been studied without it. The kids LOVE to get out of the classroom; a better excuse would have been for a Cinco de Mayo Festival.
I attended schools in Long Beach. My best friends' surnames were Calderon, Aguilar, & Arroyo. We went on to college at CSU at Long Beach, this in 1958. WHO wasn't allowing Latinos into college?
I must be incredibly naive, not knowing what was going on in Los Angeles.
May 7, 2010 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The Chicano Movement of the 1960s, also called the Chicano Civil Rights Movement, also known as El Movimiento, is an extension of the Mexican American Civil Rights Movement which began in the 1940s with the stated goal of achieving "social destruction" and Mexican American empowerment.
May 7, 2010 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
methusla, Here is where that "walkout" is applied. "The student applies language skills and cultural knowledge both within and beyond the school setting."
While no, it does not contain the language "walkout," it does refer to "cultural knowledge" and ms Terrell was teaching her students about the Chicano movement in Los Angeles 40 years ago as it related to protests. The pretend "walkout" at Emporia High demonstrated a small part of that movement. That's pop culture, and it fits Standard 5.1 for communities.
May 7, 2010 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
seriously folks asks, "What sort of culture lessons are kids being taught in English class these days?"
I almost can't believe your post, seriously. English is not just grammar. English literature is taught in English class, and literature is nothing but culture. It's a cultural reflection of the time in which the piece is written.
BTW methusla, when I taught early American literature, I also brought in some Native American literature, much of it was poetic. That is culture. Does that make me some kind of heretic?
I give up! I gotta get out of here.
May 7, 2010 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Kids--
Did not mean to imply that you are not self motivated. I applaud you for posting your opinions. I was just trying to crack a joke...maybe in bad taste and I apologize.
What do you students think of the law in AZ?
May 7, 2010 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
English courses taught me not only proper usage of its grammar, I also learned the many facets of literature, The Canterbury Tales, the History of England and the Anglican Church, etc. Having learned other languages (Spanish, French and some Cantonese), I have a better understanding of my primary language of English (sentence structure, conjugation), not to mention Anglo history, interaction and perception in the world.
Because of the many languages I speak, I see the world differently, more beautifully.
May 7, 2010 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? American.
May 7, 2010 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Thanks, create for the info.
And to all of those students who take Mrs. Terrells' class, I and others appreciate your learning and schooling . And we are not thinking ill of Ms. Terrell. I for one was wondering why such a thing was being allowed in a public school.
Since part of my ancestory and culture is that of Native American, It upsets me to know and see that the Native American culture has been all but forgotten forgotten by just about everone. Swept under the rug so to speak, as if the Native American people of this Country never existed.
Afterall these Native American peoples were and are a large part of this Countrys' culture, heritage and legacy.
May I ask, you students, have any of you ever been taught about the Native American peoples, their trials, tribulations, culture, beliefs, struggles, languages , etc..
And yet the importance of immigrant culture, rights and languages supercedes that of the peoples, who were native to this Country long before the english speaking Europeans, Spaniards, Mexicans, Germans, French, etc., etc., etc..
Have any of you students, ever been told of how the Native Americans were treated much worse than the foreign immigrants that came to and are still comming to this Country. While many of the Native Americans did struggle and are still struggling to survive in this, their native country. Because they are still considered a forgotten people.
Have any of you students been taught how many different Native American tribes/clans existed in America before the time of the Immigrants and how a large number of those tribes/Nations were wiped out or lost their native lands to those Immigrants or how many Native American tribes/Nations are left in America ?
I for one will not forget my fathers teaching, my grandfathers teachings and my great grand fathers teaching about my Native American culture and heritage. And I will make every effort to keep my cultural heritage as a Native American alive, by passing these teachings onto my son, my grandchildren and great grandchildren. But I will not force my cultural heritage upon anyone who does not care to know or learn anything about it.
" oh ha ah osdv e jah ", which means have a nice day in my Native American language.
May 7, 2010 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ReganHastert (anonymous) says...
I think the law in Arizona is ridiculous. I think anyone could be an immigrant like German, French etc, just not Hispanics. You just cant tell if someone is an immigretn by looking at them. And its wrong
May 7, 2010 at 3:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
I totally agree with Regan. You can't tell if someone is an immigrant by looking at them. It doesn't even make sense.
May 7, 2010 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Fluent? (laugh) That's subjective. But, I can carry on a conversation when I speak with international colleagues or when I travel. Four years, perhaps?
In terms of languages, there is a double-edged sword of the American education system. While foreign languages are provided, they are introduced rather late in the formative process, namely high school. Yet, not too late.
Globally, most societies introduce language studies during the elementary years; pre-pubescent, when the brain has yet to be concrete in the manner it processes information. Thus, such a striking contrast exists between the mutlilingual abilities of American and someone educated elsewhere in the world.
May 7, 2010 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
I am glad to see that some EMS students have joined the discussion. I think the apprehension folks like myself have when teaching something like walkouts to students in middle school is they rarely get the full picture because so much is lost to romanticism and subjective indicators of success for the particular brand of protest or act of civil disobedience. I am including a link to a story in the LA Times by Raoul Lowery Contreras (March 12, 2008) that I think sums up the flip side and long term effects of what has been characterized as a great exercise of civil disobedience, free speech and triumphing over what is perceived as an oppressive establishment.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/l...
This discussion has been a wonderful exercise of our freedom of speech we enjoy as Americans.
May 7, 2010 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MegDetwiler (anonymous) says...
methusla,
We have been learning about Kansas history in Social Studies, and you're right. The Native Americans were treated horrible. They were sent to mission schools,and had their land taken away from them so many times. It's really embarrassing to even think that someone would do that.
May 7, 2010 at 3:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
methusla, I hope you get a chance to look over the literature textbooks in the Middle School and High School. If they are arranged chronologically, as many lit texts are, check out the early American section. You will find Native American poetry and prose. No, They have not been forgotten. Most literature textbooks have lengthy discussions of the Trail of Tears and also offer some of the early newspapers of the Native Americans. As Meg details above, many discussions are offered about how Native Americans, were forced to attend mission schools where their names were changed to English ones.
Earlier, someone asked about the Ku Klux Klan. When I taught "To Kill a Mockingbird," I covered the activities of the Klan and the Night Riders, and I showed pictures of men who were hanged. Then I played the jazz piece "Strange Fruit" by Billy Holiday so my students could understand what those lyrics were all about. I also taught "Hiroshima," and I showed those pictures too. It's not your mother's English class anymore when all they did was parse sentences. Thank goodness.
In all my years of teaching those two pieces of literature, only one complaint was lodged against me by a mother who held me responsible for giving her 16-year old daughter nightmares about "bombing people." She claimed I had no right to offer such "stories."
Nuff said.
May 7, 2010 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
MegDetwiler
Thank you so much, for the words of understanding . My heart is pleased that there is some semblance of teaching about the Native Americans in our public schools. I would hope that there would be more learning about Native American culture, languages, beliefs, etc. in Americas public schools.
Again, to Ms. Terrell and her students, have a pleasant day and an even more pleasant tommorrow.
May 7, 2010 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
If you are interested in learning more about Native American peoples, might I suggest you look into attending the 2010 Washunga Days, held in Council Grove, Kansas. The Voices Of The Wind People will perform their peoples native dances, music and songs, dressed in their native attire. These people are of the Kanza Native American tribe/nation.
You may find information about this, dates, etc. at the following site.
http://www.councilgrove.com/index.php...
May you be blessed and may the Great Spirit find favor in you.
May 7, 2010 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yev_kassem (anonymous) says...
Regan and Meg--
Do you realize that the AZ law focuses on illegal immigrants and not all immigrants?
If you read the law, the person in question, has to be breaking the law in the first place, ie a traffic violation or breaking and entering etc etc. Then and only then can the police question the person's legal status in the United States. It is at that time that the police can ask the person to provide a government issued ID to prove that they are a citizen of the US. Most legal citizens have their drivers license on them and all legal aliens are required to carry their green card or visa on them at all times. So, I personally think the law is great. If you are here, illegally, then you are committing a crime in itself. Furthermore, if you are here illegally and committing another crime then you can be deported. Bottom line is be here legally. There are plenty of people who go through the proper channels every year and are here legally. The people who don't should be punished.
May 7, 2010 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create
My great great grandfather and great great grand mother as well as a great aunt, endured " The Trail of Tears " and from what my great aunt had told me I would liken it to the " Bataan " death march.
I used to have some tin type photos of my great great grandfather, great great grand mother and my great aunt. But, alas I do not know what happened to them.
And I thank you, create and Meg for putting some semblance of sunshine and happiness into an old mans heart.
Thank you and have a great and blessed day and many more .
May 7, 2010 at 4:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
You are very welcome, methusla. We have come a long way in the teaching of our children. Once educators understood the meaning of "multi-cultural," and once textbook companies began to realize that they needed to offer a greater variety of reading material, our kids began to grow more than ever as they were able to obtain a deeper understanding about what has happened along the way in our culture.
FarmRaised, I hope your daughter gets to read To Kill a Mockingbird too. By the time she is 13 or 14 I hope you offer her the book and why not read it with her. Don't let her get caught up in all the Finch family history stuff in the early chapters. A lot of kids get turned off by that. Muddle through. I have read that book several times over my years of teaching it, and it never fails, I always find something new, some new theme that relates to our lives, even today. I wish all kids could have a dad like Atticus Finch.
May 7, 2010 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabecca (anonymous) says...
Is this all you guys do. you guys need to get a life becuase this is none of your conserin so get over it and stop because we dont care what you have to say if you have nothin nice so say go suck it because we dont care she is a grate teacher and you have no right jugin a person you dont even know so why dont you all shut youre mouth and cry to someone eles becuase you dont even know her so stop hating and stop jugin
May 7, 2010 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kelleykid26 (anonymous) says...
Honestly! do some of you people sit around all day and hate on anything foriegn?!?! really, get a life!
P.S.- i may not be hispanic, but i think the chicano movement made our world change HUGELY for the better
P.S.S.- (for haters only!) get your head out of your buttdont be so hateful, open up to the world around you!
May 7, 2010 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I'm all for immigrants, just not illegal ones, 90% of all illegal immigrants are in fact Hispanic, it is not "hating" to suspect people when the odds are that high, happens all the time in law enforcement.
May 7, 2010 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
To the students, detractors, whatever, these words are all that matter.
IF YOU HAVE DONE NO WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR.
Very simple concept.......
May 7, 2010 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sunshine (anonymous) says...
Great Job Mrs. Terrell! I applaud any teacher that will make learning an experience that includes more than sitting at a desk and reading from a textbook. So the kids look like their having fun? Well good grief, whats so wrong with kids enjoying learning? Maybe those who are making negative comments here ought to go to the school and ask the kids what they learned. It takes something interesting to get the kids interested in learning. When teachers will take the time to teach outside the box my kids actually come home and tell me about their day. When they are not interested in what they are learning they come home and I ask them what the did in school and every day I get the same "Nothing". I try to drag something out of them and they can't even think of anything, its because they are not interested, they are bored. So maybe you don't like or don't see the value in the particular lesson, but its about more than learning this one lesson, its about getting the kids interested in learing.
May 7, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Maybe those who are making negative comments here ought to go to the school and ask the kids what they learned."
I tried to ask about what exactly was taught concerning this lesson and what culture lessons are being taught in English classes but the questions were apparently taken the wrong way or maybe as a parent with kids in the district I am not supposed to ask those type of questions. Parent, tax payer, veteran, who am I to ask about the schools I paid/pay for and send my kids too. I thought they wanted parents to be interested in what their kids are learning. I guess they only want input if it's 100% positive, sounds familiar. Perhaps it a trend.
May 7, 2010 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Take away the education for a month and put them in a sweat shop instead, barefoot and dressed in rags. Education will suddenly become fascinating and valuable to them.
May 7, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LeightonHainline (anonymous) says...
I would like to know what we did that was so wrong. All we did was be rewarded for all of our classroom work. We did not now the emporia gazette was going to show up. We were just doing a classroom project. So I would like to see someone come up with a reason why a FUN classroom project is so wrong. Mabye its actually better this way I mean the fun part. We actually listen and go home with something to tell our parents.
May 7, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
To all of the " Kids " who believe that those on these threads hate you or your teacher, you could not be further misguided than you already are.
After reading some of the Emglish grammer and spelling that is being used by " You " who are supposed to be learning, my thinking is, some of you need to do more English grammer and spelling learning, instead of " Walk Out " learning/ Here is a small news flash for you " Kids " . Learning and studies of any kind can be fun and rewarding . It is made so by the willingness and thirst of the individual to learn, no matter the method of teaching .
After all school, learning and education is not supposed to be a playground .
If the only reason you attend school is to have fun and play, then you and your teachers just may be wasting your time and taxpayers money .
Oh, I forgot you as children are not required to work for a living and pay taxes . But some day you will and then you may see things from an entirely different perspective.
Again I would like to make it perfectly clear I nor anyone else hates you or Ms. Terrel, as you so wrongly suggest . However some of us do think you or Ms. Terrell made a bad choice in doing what was done and everyone makes bad choices .
May 7, 2010 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Here is a little experiment you " Kids " can do at home concerning what you learned about " Walk Outs and Protests " . Assuming that you all have chores or things your parents have made you responsible for. Do this instead of doing your chores or what your parents ask you to do. 1. Throw a clenched fist into the air. 2. Carry signs protesting your being made to do your assigned chores, etc. 3. March around outside your house ( Walk Out ) while pumping your clenched fist in the air and carrying your protest sign and shout " NO MORE UNFAIR CHORES AND RESPONSIBILITIES " or " I REFUSE TO DO MY UNFAIR CHORES " or " MY PARENTS ARE UNFAIR TO ME ".
Just how do you suppose your parents would react to such a thing ?
May 8, 2010 at 12:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
allintogether (anonymous) says...
Well done Methusla!
May 8, 2010 at 12:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
"I tried to ask about what exactly was taught concerning this lesson and what culture lessons are being taught in English classes but the questions were apparently taken the wrong way..."
seriously, I tried to answer your question. Perhaps you weren't interested in the answer or I was too caustic. To repeat in a nutshell: Literature is taught in English classes and all literature is a reflection of the culture of the time in which the piece was written. Most English teachers use the piece to provide information about the period. Does that help?
May 8, 2010 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Good points, methusla, particularly about all the poor spelling and English grammar used by the kids who are responding. I too found it appalling.
May 8, 2010 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
This thread has been interesting to say the least.
Especially the student responses.
While some of the spelling and grammar is wrong, we all make those mistakes and these kids are still learning, (hopefully).
Some of the students have mentioned freedom of speech and in this country they have that right.
Is free speech a right, that is so jealously protected in Mexico or other Spanish speaking countries?
Freedom of speech is a right that is given to you by countless veterans that have fought and died protecting all of our rights. Speech does however have consequences. What you say and do can help or hurt people.
So when a student mentions freedom of speech, please don't turn around and tell the posters on here if we don't agree with your speech we must stifle our speech. It doesn't work that way.
Like it or not as long as your teachers are getting paid to teach with your mom and dads money, (taxes), they have the right to question what is being taught.
It sounds like you have a good and caring teacher in Ms. Terrell.
Some on here question, (rightly so), her lesson choice of such a controversial part of our history for such a young group of students.
Perhaps a better lesson plan, (and certainly one more topical to local Hispanic history) would be the effect of the railroad industry in the Emporia area and the influx of immigrants it brought and how they lived, worked, and assimilated to living in Emporia. Have any of you been told the story of Las Casitas?
JMO
And keep on being engaged in the discussion
May 8, 2010 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
create
Literature is about as vague an answer as one can give. Do they read the puritan writers? That would be a great cultural lesson for English class. I doubt they do. So what are they reading? If they are learning about a militant group in Spanish class I think it's appropriate that I as a parent ask about other classes. I understand you getting defensive because you were a teacher and "team" mentality and all that but shouldn't parents be a little concerned about what their kids are learning? As an ex teacher don't you ever question what is taught or do you just assume since the state licensed them they are infallible? I didn't believe that when I was a student nor do I believe it as a parent. As a parent I'm going to question what my kids are being taught. I'm the concerned parent teachers always wish they had more of, or at least say they do.
May 8, 2010 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Great post Steve.
signed
a veteran
May 8, 2010 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
What a great post, Steve, and what a great idea about studying the influx of Mexican immigrants to the Lyon County and Chase County areas via the railroad. Many of those students' great grandparents came here to work on the rails. A trip to Chase County to see the tiny section houses where many used to live would be a valuable lesson too. I have some irises from the family of irises that were planted there by some immigrant person many, many years ago. Again, great post.
May 8, 2010 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
It just seems to me that given the close proximity of the middle school to the Gazette building, a teacher would allow such an event to take place, not once but during each class period throughout the day and not realize that all anyone at the Gazette had to do was look out a window and see a bunch of people/kids marching around the school with clenched fists thrust in the air, carring signs and undoubtedly shouting something and think their actions were not going to draw some kind of attention, possibly good or bad attention.
I wonder what the people who were driving or walking by the school thought .
This was, in my opinion a bad choice/decision by whomever decided to do it.
Talk about projecting a negative image of Emporia, its schools, school system and what is being taught in the Emporia school system. My opinion is this is/was a very negative image. More so than anyone discussing or griping, on a public forum about high taxes, raising taxes, government over spending . I am not against hands on teaching, but teachers must think about their choice of methods, actions and the possibility that such actions may draw unwanted or adverse attention to them, their students, their school, the school system and the City itself. I have learned throughout life, that good choices, usually have good results. Bad choices usually have bad results. Of course this is just my opinion .
Have a wonderful day in Emporia.
May 8, 2010 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Yes Steve, you are exactly right about the building of the Nations railroads. I know this first hand as my Father worked for the Santa Fe railroad, right here in Emporia and I went to school with the children, who's parents worked along side my Father. Whose names were, Rodriguez, Solis, Rangel, Lopez, Madriguel, Sosa, Cisneros, etc., etc. and whom were good and respected friends. I appologize if some of the spelling of the names are not correct .
It is a good day in Emporia/
May 8, 2010 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
Her main thought was how the kids had a voice in how they were being treated by the school system there at that time and how their actions help improve the school treatment of Hispanic students..
May 8, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
I did read up on the information and after that walkout they had the largest increase in kids graduating and attending college. But since then it has gotten a lot worse. What kills me, is that we have a teacher going out of her way to try something different and new to encourage our youth to learn and we are complaining. I know for a fact that there are some teachers out there that do not give a hoot about educating our kids and they are getting by with doing a little of nothing.(except being on the internet all day)
May 8, 2010 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Farmraised,
Yes I tossed the 9% of Asians in there with the rest in haste, but it does not belittle my point any further in that almost every illegal immigrant in the Southwest is in fact Hispanic in origin, and because of that fact being suspect of Hispanics displaying questionable characteristics is not racist in the least. That is all I set out to prove.
There are however a lot of racial connotations involved with issues such as this and I feel a lot of the American resentment comes from Hispanics that refuse to assimilate as everyone else here did. It is fine to celebrate your heritage and roots, but when people disrespect this country in manners such as:
http://www.phpbbplanet.com/damessageb...
or sending kids home in American flag attire during Cinco de Mayo are part of the reasons resentment is growing. I would love to find out what would happen in other countries if you disrespected the flag in such a manner, I would wager it would be much much worse. I guess I just don't understand it, why is it that the Hispanic culture must forsake this country for their old one? Is it any wonder incidents like this will become more prevalent?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?A...
This should not even be an issue IMO.
May 8, 2010 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ToxicPink (anonymous) says...
Education comes in all shapes and sizes, its sad that a lesson that happened in an alternate form than staring at a book or blackboard all day is upsetting to people.
We should cherish the idea that children are learning and that they were excited to do so.
May 8, 2010 at 12:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Sorry about that. I presumed the middle school was the two downtown.
So if the middle school is out by the high school, how did a reporter, photographer find out about the " Walk Out " exercise and just happened to be there at the time of the " mock " demonstrations ?
Something seems mighty " fishy" as the old saying goes.
Farmraised, I guess I got my point across, to at least one parent anyway .
I don' t know whether the kids or teachers got it or not. Or for that matter whether the parents of the other students got it or not.
As I see it, I did not put any ideas into anyones head that the school teacher had not already planted in their minds with their choice of hands on learning . So, it is my opinion that the teachers' choice of the type of hands on teaching lesson that was chosen had already planted an idea in impressionable young minds in the first place.
May 8, 2010 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
UsayULoveGod & ToxicPink
I guess when I was growing up and going to school I looked at going to school, learning and getting an education much differently than the young people of today.
When I was going to school my thirst for knowledge, willingness to learn and respect for my teachers was what made going to school exciting and fun for me.
I actually looked forward, with exitement, to going to school everday, and could not wait to get to school. I didn' t need any special teacher quirks to make me want to learn nor did my teachers have to use any special quirks, etc., to teach me and I did have fun at school, it was called " Recess " , thats when we had fun. Class time was the time to learn and to me that was fun and adventuresome in its own way.
And people wonder why the U.S. is lagging behind much of the rest of the world when it comes to education and learning. School kids in the U.S. today only want to have " FUN, FUN, FUN " when they are in school.
Have a great day in the FUN CITY OF EMPORIA .
May 8, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ToxicPink (anonymous) says...
But kids aren't like that anymore for lots of reasons.
You don't have to preach to me about why we lag, I'm a believer in having our school year lasting longer.
Its just that you have to expand to reach kids now and I think however teachers have to do it to get their lesson across and still keep kids engaged we should encourage it. Why should we keep things stagnant? Why should we keep teaching kids back like we did years ago? Times change, learning evolves and I think we should embrace it.
May 8, 2010 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy,
You are exactly right. Legal citizens and States of this country are simply " FED " up with the invasion of this country by those who do not give a hoot about this countrys' laws. Which everyone must, or should abide by and respect.
And make no mistake, there is an invasion of sorts going on , it may not be an outright military invasion, but it is an ivasion just the same and has been going on for some time . And this invasion, unless curtailed/stopped in its tracks, will eventually cause the downfall of America .
It would seem that the Federal Government and our elected officials do not have the stomach to stop this invasion and in fact are helping the illegal invaders, by allowing them to drain the govt. entitlements that were meant for legal citizens. So it is up to the States and the legal citizens of this country to stop this invasion and the invaders.
It is a great day in Emporia.
May 8, 2010 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Carlos O'Kelly's is a far fetch from true Mexican cuisine. That's fatty, sodium-packed American crap.
May 8, 2010 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
ToxicPink
I believe that the thirst for knowledge does not change over the years. After all these years I still have that thirst and it matters not, whether that thirst is quenched in a fun way or a not so fun way. However it would seem that, the thirst for knowledge has been pushed aside for the idea of learning must be made " FUN " .
The thirst for knowledge and learning resides within each and every individual.
And for those who have this thirst, it will make no difference whether the learning process is fun or difficult the thirst will be there just the same.
This is why some children excell in school and learning. They have the thirst for learning and knowledge and it does/will not matter the teaching method.
My opinion is, that today the kids are the ones dictating the methods of teaching and learning, not the schools, school boards, teachers, etc., as it should be. But the kids are basically the bosses, dictating what they can wear to school, how they are to be taught, wanting to have fun, whether they even have to attend school, instead of letting the teachers teach and the students/kids do the learning .
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May 8, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Mexico is a beautiful country; the people, the history, the architecture, the natural landscape.
May 8, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Not to mention all of the drug shipping warehouses.
May 8, 2010 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh, I forgot the indigenous wildlife, the drug " MULES " .
May 8, 2010 at 1:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Oh, ignorance. Once again, you rear your ugly head.
May 8, 2010 at 1:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ToxicPink (anonymous) says...
I guess I'm just not grasping why an interesting unconventional lesson is a bad thing still and why some lessons can't be fun at the same time as educational.
May 8, 2010 at 1:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Latin-American.
May 8, 2010 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
seriously,
Don't you dare accuse me of "team mentality." You think I'm defending Ms Terrell just because I too am a teacher? That is an insult and you owe me an apology.
When I explained that Literature is a part of study in an English class and that culture of the time periods are studied, I didn't think I had to give you specific eras because that would take forever. If you want a complete rundown, I suggest you go to the high school or middle school and ask to see their Lit textbooks so you can see for yourself. As a parent, you have a right to ask to see lesson plans too. Why not make that your business?
To answer the question you posed about Puritan literature, Yes. Most American Literature books contain Puritan pieces, and as far as I know, most English teachers cover that period early in the year.
Why would you say you doubt they do? How do you know? Did you check to make sure or are you just spouting off? And why did you only ask about Puritan literature? Might this have something to do with your verve for religious teachings? When I taught American literature only two years ago, the witch burnings by the Puritans of Salem were included in the discussions of the period. Also included were some of the Puritan writings, both poetry and prose. How about some Cotton Mather?
Just how specific do you want my answer to be on a public forum? Or were you trying to turn this to religion?
May 8, 2010 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Create
Sorry I didn't mean to insult you. You do get defensive of teachers quite often. It seems that the negative sides of the puritans is being taught, why can I not ask if the negative side of the Chicano Movement is being taught?
May 8, 2010 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Seriously,
Sorry if you think I am defensive when it comes to teachers. Perhaps it sounds as if I am; however, as an educator, and as someone deeply involved with education for many, many years, I have learned that the public does not often understand everything that is involved with schools and the teaching of their children. I have also learned that the public is quick to criticize the education establishment without knowing the entire picture, Often, no one takes the time to know it either, particularly when it comes to either school finance issues or the No Child Left Behind Act. Few people really understand all that.
Just today, for example, someone complained to me about a structure being built at a nearby school. "Where are they getting the money for that if they can't afford to blah, blah, blah..." See? When I explained that certain monies in certain funds have to be spent or it has to be returned to the state, the response I received was, "Well that's stupid."
So why did I bother explaining when that person really only wanted commisseration and nothing more?
Not only the negative side of the Puritans is in those textbooks, seriously. I did explain that the positive sides are contained as well when I mentioned some of the poetry and prose pieces of the Puritans. See? Both sides were offered. At least they were in my classes.
May 8, 2010 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Thanks for the explanation create. Again I apologize.
May 8, 2010 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thank you, seriously. I accept.
May 8, 2010 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
akamai
eucharistandcannabis has already expressed that he is better than us so I don't think he'll believe we are all the same. :-(
May 8, 2010 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
You're cruisin' seriously.
Mahalo akamai. I enjoyed that very much. It was due. Pace.
May 8, 2010 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"You're cruisin' seriously. "
For a bruisin'?
What did I do now?
Off topic, today I was at a local park watching the grass grow and what not and I met an elderly gentleman walking his two dogs, Biscuit and Jackie Girl. He is a very nice dude and he is doing well. Both dogs like having their tummies scratched.
They call me R.
May 8, 2010 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Nice to hear that biscuit is doing well. I do know that he had become disenchanted with the forums. Thanks for telling us he is doing okay, seriously.
May 9, 2010 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Thank you Farmraised, it just seems that whenever this topic comes up the people that have had enough of illegal immigration are all a bunch racists, when in fact I don't care what color their skin is, I just see it as a very costly problem that needs solved.
Appreciate that you are not among those that DO throw the racist term around, and that we can have a civil debate here about it.
Good to hear Biscuit is OK Seriously, thank you for the update.
May 9, 2010 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy,
Your are exactly right, when anyone who comments about " Illegal Immigration ", they are immediatly branded as racist and you don' t even have to mention color of skin, culture or nationality.
What those who do the " racist " branding, apparently do not understand or do not want to understand that when someone, anyone of any color, culture, nationality enters any country other than their, own and does so with going thru proper channels and acquiring the proper paperwork, identifications, work permits, visitors visas, etc, etc. and choose to ignore that countrys' immigration laws... are doing so " Illegally, a.e. against the law " , hence such immigrants are becomming " Illegal Immigrants " by their own " Volition " and therefore have noone to blame but themselves for becoming " Illegal Immigrants " .It is just that simple and not that hard to understand.
And my opinion is that any " Illegal Immigrant " should not be entileted to the same benefits, a.e. entitlements that a Legal citizan of a country is rightfully entitled to receive.
And here is another of my opinions, that will undoubtedly pi$$ some people off.
" If our Federal Government is not or will not fix the " Illegal Immigration/Immigrant " problem, then I certainly all of the rest of the States follow Arizonas' and their people do the same .
May 9, 2010 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Hi folks. Where the hell do I start? Took me over an hour to read all of this.
While I agree with the students and the teacher that learning the culture of a country helps you understand where the language comes from, I dont see why a walk out even a mock one is teaching you anything. When I lived in Italy i was in 6th grade. We had to learn the language as a requirement for the class. My father, an immigrant to the US, also took an extreme interest in my learning the language. Not because the school wanted us to know the "culture" of Italy but because WE were the immigrants there. I learned just so I could talk to people. Most countries hate us and see us as weak, small wonder with topics like this.
If you are an illegal immigrant in the United States, no matter what, you are wrong. In everything. Conversation, jobs, money, having children, everything because you should not be here.
Yes teach the students about what Hispanics had to go through to be respected in this country but teach them about all, ALL, immigrants that had to strive for acceptance. The Native Americans who are the reason we are still here, the Irish who were instrumental in building the railroads and the north winning the Civil War, the French that taught the colonies to fight the British. The Orientals that also were instrumental in the railroad industry. Teach about everyone.
I realize that is limited to one Spanish class. And the original argument had nothing to do with legal/illegal immigration but i think this should be brought up every single day in every form of topic until the state, and the government finally gets off their backsides and does something about it.
And to the students that posted on here: You as well as every single legal resident of this country, have a right to your opinion. But keep in mind every single working adult, or retired and has worked, IS paying taxes that provided you with the lesson that is the topic here. Some feel that the lesson was inappropriate, some dont, but all have every right to post their opinions irregardless of anyone else's personal beliefs. Thanks and sorry to rant.
May 10, 2010 at 1:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
And GoodOleBoy- Mark your calendar, you and I actually agreed on something. lol. I've often wondered if that would often be possible! Cheers!
May 10, 2010 at 1:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
I seem to remember a similar lesson in middle school back in the late 70's. We were all made to march around the school block, but were given the option whether or not to participate in the sign carrying, chanting and fist pumping etc. Very few students did participate as I recall, only the kids that were frequently in trouble and doing poorly in school seemed to enjoy it.
People who drop the racist card typically have weak constitutions IMO.
May 10, 2010 at 9:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
What does this have to do with this topic ?
May 10, 2010 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
I'm in favor of education, equality, tolerance, and walking.
'enry
May 10, 2010 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Farmraised: What did the Cap-Journal article have to do with Emporia? Did this guy practice his activity here?
May 10, 2010 at 9:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Yeah!b We want to pretend that doesn't really happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 10, 2010 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
That should have been "Yeah!d" not "Yeah!b".
May 10, 2010 at 9:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
The article says, Castro-Lopez was arrested in Kansas City, Ks. and used a computer to forge, print the documents. Which means he could also use the computer to sell these documents to just about anyone, including anyone in Emporia.
Figure it out, K.C. Ks., Lawrence, Topeka, Emporia, Wichita, and any and all points in between, located on two of the most used roads in Kansas, the turnpike, I-35 and all secondary roads to many towns located on these secondary roads, where " Illegal " immigrants can be found that are willing to pay for forged or counterfeited S.S. cards. D.L.'s and any other official looking documents they may be able to get their hands on.
Like I said figure it out. This whole " illegal Immigrant " mess is and will affect everyone in the U. S., including those who came here " Legally " with genuine papers, etc. no matter where they live and that includes Emporia as well.
May 10, 2010 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Whether anyone likes to hear it or discuss it. The problem of " Illegal Immigration and Illegal Immigrants " and the criminals and criminal activity that it brings is a very real and big problem in this Country and a costly one as well.
May 10, 2010 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks for the article, FarmRaised. It certainly reminds us how precious our ordinary documents are. Unfortunately, we can't even protect them from criminals like this.
Like you, I question the 10 months sentence to be rather short for such a crime. This is worse than bank robbery. Ten years should be more like it, then deportation.
While I can defend Ms Terrell's creative teaching idea, I can never defend any illegal immigrant's right to be in this country no matter where they come from. I would hope that was part of the lesson.
May 11, 2010 at 6:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Probably off topic but food for thought from the web, recommended to me by a doctor friend.
In the late 1700s, a Scottish history professor, Alexander Tyler, studied the democracies that had existed until that time. He had this to say about democracy in general, “A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simple cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”
Does this sound familiar? With almost one-third of all Americans feeding at the public trough, its only a matter of time before everyone receives some form of benefit and henceforth, the entire country will crash and burn with most likely a military dictatorship filling the void.
The professor went on to say: “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependency back into bondage.”
Does this not sound familiar! We’ve gone from being overtaxed slaves of King George of England, to a new republic that accepted any religious faith, to a wonderful new country with a brilliant constitution, to being the richest country in the world, to today over 50% of the voters are apathetic to politics, to where a major portion of Americans are literally demanding government benefits, to eventually losing all of our freedoms (just read some sections of the Patriot Act). Many people now believe that we are now at the “apathy to dependence” phase of the professor’s theory with over 30% of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.
May 11, 2010 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Good comment, Steve. Yes, this theory is interesting and does sound familiar. Whose to say another revolution won't take place however if bondage does become evident. We are a people quick to revolt after all. Look at the power wielded by the Tea Party as one small example.
BTW, it's not only Americans feeding at the public trough. Many non-citizens are collecting social security compensation for disabilities experienced at places where they have worked.
May 11, 2010 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
The following info is not exactly on topic either, but I found the information interesting.
By the Numbers
• By increasing the labor supply between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of U.S.-born men by an estimated $1,700, or roughly 4 percent.
• Among those born in the United States who did not graduate from high school -- roughly the poorest one-tenth of the work force -- the estimated impact was even larger, reducing wages by 7.4 percent.
• The negative effect on U.S.-born black and Hispanic workers is significantly larger than on whites, because a much larger share of minorities are in direct competition with immigrants.
• The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
Source: Jorge Borgas, Kennedy School of Government at Harvard
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/st...
May 11, 2010 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
OutsiderJ (anonymous) says...
Man I gotta agree with Meth....If you [the students] would like to defend your teacher and make an intelligent argument, try doing it without run-on sentences and awful spelling. I am revolted by what e-mail and text messaging have done to the written word. Especially from the victims of today's public education.
May 11, 2010 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Farmraised: Not offended, just curious. KC has plenty of criminal activities occurring within its borders. I figured this one was chosen bor publication here because of some tie to Emporia. Otherwise, what is the point?
May 11, 2010 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Heck, here is a story published in the Star about a rancher that murdered a nun. It happened in Brazil, but there must be some tie to Emporia, right?
Brazil: Rancher found guilty in killing of US nun
By BRADLEY BROOKS
Associated Press Writer
A jury convicted a Brazilian rancher early Saturday of orchestrating the murder of U.S. nun and Amazon defender Dorothy Stang.
Regivaldo Galvao - the last of five defendants to stand trial in the case - was sentenced to 30 years in prison, said Telma Lima, a spokeswoman with the federal court in the jungle city of Belem where the trial was held.
The verdict came two weeks after another rancher, Vitalmiro Moura, was sentenced to 30 years in prison after being found guilty of collaborating with Galvao.
Prosecutors say the pair offered to pay a gunman $25,000 to kill the 73-year-old Stang because she blocked their stealing a piece of land that the government had granted to a group of poor farmers supported by the nun.
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/04/30/...
May 11, 2010 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Those that feel that immigration laws should be abided by and enforced must realize that those breaking these laws feel just as passionately that the laws be ignored and not enforced. Who's right? Apparently, no one.
May 11, 2010 at 1:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Who's right? Say what?
We are expected to follow the rule of law in this country. Pretty heady stuff there. Who's right? The LAW is right. You don't get to break a law just because you feel "passionately" about having your own way. No one is above the law. No one.
How about if someone feels "passionately" against his neighbor and kills him. We have laws against murder just as we have laws against entering this country illegally.
May 11, 2010 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
It happened in Brazil. Distance from Emporia Ks. to Brazil, approx 3201 nautical miles, much further by land. Distance from K.C., Kansas to Emporia, Ks., approx. 100 land miles.
Not considering the computer and internet, which is the closer possible physical connection and physical threat ?
May 11, 2010 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
create
I totally agree with you but I also totally agree with them.
May 11, 2010 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I agree with methusla and irishemporia oh oh oh and farmraised also.
May 11, 2010 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
We want tacos? LOL! Nice sign, kid. I can't believe the teacher let that one slide. It's so racist it's funny! See pics below.
'enry
http://s3.amazonaws.com/image.instant...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/image.instant...
May 13, 2010 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Wow, so those links didn't work at all. Just go to the gallery and look through 'em.
http://www.instantimagegallery.com/ii...
'enry
May 13, 2010 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Great, now I DO want tacos.
May 13, 2010 at 12:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/1...
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/best...
May 13, 2010 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
I wonder if those kids ever got their tacos...
'enry
May 14, 2010 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I haven't yet. ;-(
May 14, 2010 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )