reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

youtube The Reagan Obama debate [video] ......This video shows how Ronald Reagan blows away Barack Hussein Obama on Socialism, Healthcare, the Constitution and Liberty. The only change is loose change and all over the place,

March 3, 2010 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Moran is on the side of obstinately digging in and preventing any forward movement whatsoever because he too has been playing politics ever since President Obama was elected. Elected. That's elected

March 3, 2010 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Reagan is a VERY large part of the reason our national debt is where it is today:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

People hate to hear it but the truth is that Reagan has done far more to hinder this nation with his fiscal policy than Obama has, math is hard to argue.

It is also near impossible to even imagine that in one year Obama could change a decades long trend, he can try all he likes but until congress is on board it is a futile effort.

March 3, 2010 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Also I find using Moran as a barometer is also laughable at best, the guy is as partisian as it comes, just look at his voting record.

March 3, 2010 at 4:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

I'd take 1 Ronald Reagan over any number of Barry's any day of the week.
I find it really hard to beleive that anyone could blame Reagan for what's going on now.
But then this thread was about Moran wasn't it?

March 3, 2010 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

les_herschler (anonymous) says...

Chris: Hardly an original thought, and certainly not one that the people of Emporia had not already considered. How about focusing your attention on more pressing matters here at home. There are plenty.

March 3, 2010 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

tbluma,

Read the chart, speaks for itself, 1 more Ronald Reagan and there is no doubt this country WOULD be bankrupt. I don't care what side of the aisle you like, it's crystal clear who is responsible for our national debt.

March 3, 2010 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

The problems we face now would not be problems if the defecit was not what it was, we spend as much on the national debt as we do on defense, it has crippled us.

March 3, 2010 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

No one was authorized to talk about tax increases on Ronald Reagan’s watch, no matter what kind of tax, no matter how justified it was. Yet raising taxes is exactly what Reagan did.

Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike–the largest since World War II–was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn’t count as raising taxes.

Reagan raised taxes again in 1983 with a gasoline tax and once more in 1984, this time by $50 billion over three years.

Reagan said he would cut the budget but he expanded it. The deficit tripled from the time he took office until the time he left. significantly.

Neither did he reduce the size of government the number of federal workers rose 61,000 under Reagan, as opposed to Clinton who cut 373,000 jobs.

I understand that Republicans are responsible for the complete and utter failure of supply side economics and the damage that the unfettered implementation of their crackpot theories has wrought, and they’re struggling to rationalize why anyone should listen to them. But their continuing need to transmogrify Ronald Reagan in order to gin up an excuse only underscores how morally impoverished, intellectually bankrupt and justifiably discredited the conservative movement is right now. Regan's term was a complete disaster for America. Clinton finally started making things right but Bush Jr. stole the election in 2000 and the rest is history. The Republican party should be outlawed as an enemy of the Constitution of the United States IMO.

March 3, 2010 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

Wall Street Journal article by Michael Boskin Economics professor at Stanford U. said, "Former Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker famously called Raganonomics--with the defense buildup, tax cuts, and budget deficits--a "riverboat gamble." [Which, by the way worked] Mr. Obama's fiscal strategy is more a kin to the voyage of the Titanic. Let's hope he changes course soon enough to prevent disaster.

March 3, 2010 at 6:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

reddog,

Get your freaking head examined, look at the numbers, they know no political spin, you brought Reagan into this, present your case, so far you have none. NEWS FLASHl! The federal reserve dictates economic policy and impacts the economy far more than any President, except when matters of the national debt are concerned. Explain to me how our deficit grew so much during Reagan's tenure? Explain your logic if you have any. NO President has ever done things even close to perfect, else there would be a model to follow. Reaganomics and Bush Jr. following these principles ran up deficits that Obama could only dream of in regards to the national debt. Lets hear some fact and logic in an argument to disprove my statement.

But somehow I think all I will get is "google this" it's profound, good grief......

March 3, 2010 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Read the chart? I did.
The point is that we can sit or stand here and point fingers at the democrats, republicans, liberals and conservatives all we want but it isn't going to cure the problem. Hell you could blame Franklin Roosevelt for the demise of SS just because he initiated it. It's easy to blame anyone for anything. The real question is when is everyone going to quit pissing and moaning and do something about it?
Koalemos, Goodoleboy, Reddog it don't make any difference you always point the finger at somebody else instead of your man.
Back to your chart goodoleboy. We all know the president doesn't really run things so why blame it on Reagan? If the pres. really run things we'd already have national health care.
I will agree with the article under the chart on a couple of things. Mr. Stoft did say that consumer spending was down and business' were laying off people and you couldn't blame business for that. He also said that Barry should quit bailing out banks. AGREED
I will disagree with his analysis of the rest. He said the only way out is for the gov. to spend money, pay unemployment insurance and give tax breaks to the people who will spend (not the rich)
Forgive me if I remember incorrectly but I thought you and I agreed that you can't tax or spend ourselves into riches'
And if you don't give tax breaks to the rich, who in the hell has got the money to spend if not the rich?
I will repeat why don't everyone quit pointing a finger and pony up with a solution?

March 3, 2010 at 8:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mslater (Matt Slater) says...

"When President Barack Obama was campaigning for the Oval Office, he moved a nation to believe that he could transform and unite our country."

Translation:

He BS'd enough people to get elected president.

March 3, 2010 at 8:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

mslater
same response
quit pointing and come up with a solution

March 3, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

Health care reform has passed the house and it also passed the senate now it is back at the house so they can reconcile the differences so the president can sign it into law. It WILL happen with or without the republicans and I say Obama has done a great job. He has reduced taxes, stabilized the disaster economy that he inherited from six years of republican control, drawn down troop levels in Iraq, Increased pressure on the criminals responsible for the attacks on our country nine years ago and now he is going to sign a bill into law that will make it possible to lower to deficit and get out of debt. Americans can travel to Europe without telling the locals they are from Canada again too. The economy is getting better every month and the weather is getting better too.

March 3, 2010 at 8:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

All I can say is this koalemos
Is if the health care bill passes I hope you're as happy 10 yrs. from now.
And I hope I'm still around to tell you I TOLD YOU SO.
The gov. can't run anything now or never will be able to.
Hell they couldn't even make money on the whore house in Nev. that they took over back when. If they couldn't do that they sure as hell can't run health insurance.

March 3, 2010 at 9:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

tbluma, People like you complained and opposed the democrats when they tried to enact Occupational Safety Heath Act in 1968 and it died in congress. Then in 1969 a republican president introduced the same thing and signed it into law in 1970. Since 1970, more than 75,000 lives have been saved and millions of injuries and illnesses have been prevented through effective occupational safety and health management systems. Should we get rid of workplace safety law?

March 3, 2010 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

Koalemos you and your buddy the Oman must be sleeping in the same bed. Both having the same dream,
Also OSHA has no real power,They can levy a fine but the ofender doesnt have to pay

March 3, 2010 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MrCmonkeeDo (anonymous) says...

No Change?

No Change?

Are you high?

You what?

You asked a republican congressman his opinion about the opposition and you present it as fact in an editorial?

And you did this now, when the President needs our support just about as much as any president ever has?

Are you not aware that, 45,000 Americans will die this year because of a lack of healthcare?

How many is that in Emporians?

Pick a damn team Chris.

March 3, 2010 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

In the first place people like me didn't complain about OSHA.
So a democrat failed and a republican suceeded.What's you're point?
And what the hell does this have to do with health insurance or anything else in this thread?
Or are you going to tell me this is Reagns fault too?

March 3, 2010 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

They have to blame someone just as well as Reagan

March 3, 2010 at 10:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

After some thought maybe I might assume what koalemos is refering to.
I said the gov. shouldn't run anything.
Maybe he's/she's aluding to the fact that the gov. don't do to bad at running some things.
So I'll concede that OSHA might be an example of a good thing.
What he/she and many others don't get is that I'm talking about running things at a loss that should be run at a profit,
like the post office, health insurance, SS or hospitals. They need to run at a profit so that in lean times there is a rainy day fund to sustain them. But as long as I can remember there haven't been any rainy day funds mainly because the gov. consistantly opperates in the red.
So again, let's find a solution and quit pointing.

March 3, 2010 at 10:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Back to your chart goodoleboy. We all know the president doesn't really run things so why blame it on Reagan? If the pres. really run things we'd already have national health care."

Perhaps you did not read what I said, the national debt is almost exclusive to the President. I place blame on those responsible. The numbers do not lie.

"I will disagree with his analysis of the rest."

I don't care about the analysis, I never posted the chart for the analysis, just the raw factual data which you can find anywhere an will give you same result.

I am giving you a solution, my solution is that Reaganomics do NOT work and that they and the ones that follow will do more damage than the liberal loons. I don't want to hear anymore conservatives talking about Ronald Reagan and following his FISCAL policy. To take a word out of the conservative playbook, it is "generational theft" and should be acknowledged. Also, before some moron brands me a liberal realize I am condemning conservative fiscal policy, think about that one... Do you really believe Obama's budget would be what it was without inheriting the 2 wars? One of which should never have been fought? Or the worst financial fiasco in 80 years? Bush Jr. issued stimulus in a recession far less than this, yet nothing said. The hypocrisy on both sides makes me sick, and the real issue is that no one can put aside a party long enough to vote for the best candidate, or at least write in something they think better....

March 3, 2010 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodjoss (anonymous) says...

I have a friend who's a sophomore college student. He's an independent, because of Federal Financial Aid purposes (ie: no parent claims him on their taxes). Last month he had to have his appendix removed. His parents can't cover him on their insurance because he's not under their roof. He has no health insurance. He just got the bill this week:

$20,000.00

SRS has to decline him first, so he can then fill out the paper work and ask for help from the Jones Foundation. If he has to go into debt for this hospital bill it will affect his ability to acquire students loans to finish his education.

This will seriously affect his possibilities of completing his education, through no fault of his own. How can we sit by and let the potential of this boy's life wither and die because he's sacked with debt for a life-saving operation.

We are all one hospital stay from bankruptcy. Even with GOOD insurance.

The U.S.A. is the only first-world, industrialized country that this is allowed to happen.

I'm really curious - among those of you who don't seem to think the healthcare finance system is broken... who out there can give me an answer to this absurd situation. What would you have done. Would you care to walk in this young man's shoes? Are you even capable of empathy? Do you even know what empathy means without a dictionary?

I have excellent coverage (albeit expensive) and I'm not about to give it up. But I pray that I'll never have to make the choice to give up my coverage. And I pray everyday for those who find themselves less fortunate than I.

My young friend is on that list and if you pray too, please include him.

March 3, 2010 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

booker5m and tbluma, I don't know where you two have been in the past half century but the republicans and the democrats never agree on much so acting like the party of no is something that just started with Obama is as stupid as the tea party crying about tax relief after Obama drastically decreased taxes on people making less than 250K.
Obama is going to repair the damage caused by eight years of bush and be reelected and the dems will maintain control of the senate and the supreme court will favor people over corporations again. That makes you so called conservatives angry. I call you so called conservatives because you are only conservative when it comes to me. When it comes to you, your really really really liberal.

March 3, 2010 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"I said the gov. shouldn't run anything."

Our military is the mightiest force this world has ever seen, looks like one of our biggest government expenditures did pretty well thus far, and good thing at that.

March 3, 2010 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

In the first place you know as well as I that in today's world a write in canidate wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.
If the national debt is almost exclusive to the president, what does inheriting 2 wars have to do with it? If the debt is exclusive that means it's not his fault by your definition.
But the 2 wars you bring up have far more to do with the debt than Reagan. My God man Reagan was 30 yrs and 4 presidents ago.
As far as a solution
You haven't given me squat. You just pointed a finger again at what you claim is a failed program of 30 yrs. ago.
You placed the blame on Bush and Reagan and made another excuse for barry. Nothing new, just pointing the finger.

March 3, 2010 at 10:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

The US Post Office makes it possible to get a package anywhere in the United States without having the contents of your package looted by postal employees. You can't say that about any other country in the world. Sure, private carriers operate at a profit because they haven't existed long enough to have more retirees that employees and they never will. If you eliminate the USPS you lower the standards of the private carriers and their employees will start stealing your stuff and there will be nothing you can do about it except pay for insurance the next time.

BTW, Clinton amassed a three trillion dollar surplus but bush split it up between the millionaires. Enron executives got millions while the working class got 300 bucks and as a result of bush's energy policy, we also got a 200 dollar light bill, a 300 hundred dollar natural gas bill, and a 75 dollar charge for a tank of gasoline.

March 3, 2010 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Kaolemos
My taxes haven't been drastily reduced and I sure as hell don't make anything close to $250K
Barry aint going to fix sh$$t it takes a maority in the house and senate to do that.
And the only thing the supreme court is doing is rewriting the constitution to fit their liking. IE lets read terrorist their miranda rights on the battle field.

March 3, 2010 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

What is a terrorist?

March 3, 2010 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Yes the armed forces are the best in the world'
I contend that if they were privately run that the enlistees would be better paid and the whole thing would be run better.
Use the same Generals etc. but no politics.
We'd have been in Berlin first, might not have had a cold war with Russia, would probably have won Vietnam and would have kicked sadam's ass the first time instead of having to go back again.

March 3, 2010 at 10:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"But the 2 wars you bring up have far more to do with the debt than Reagan. My God man Reagan was 30 yrs and 4 presidents ago."

And we are still paying interest on his debt............what your failing to realize that long before the 2 wars, and Bush, we were in trouble with the deficit... my god man!

"In the first place you know as well as I that in today's world a write in candidate wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell."

I''l write my own in next election if I don't like what is offered, I am done being a sheep, feel free to follow the herd though.

"If the national debt is almost exclusive to the president, what does inheriting 2 wars have to do with it? "

Well uhm gee, according to what I hear lately the President is soft on terror. If he exercised some FISCAL CONSERVATISM and said, "listen here folks we can't afford this, I'm am bringing our troops home now and using half the money we spent on wars to turn our country into a freaking fortress"

I'll bet that would not go over well even though it makes sense........those 2 wars are inherited by Obama and he does have stake in them, but at least he has set exit dates and given us something in terms of an exit.

"You haven't given me squat. You just pointed a finger again at what you claim is a failed program of 30 yrs. ago.
You placed the blame on Bush and Reagan and made another excuse for barry. Nothing new, just pointing the finger."

No I have given you the reason this nation is broke, it's not hard, we cut taxes and borrowed to spend, now it is coming back to haunt us and the very people that caused the problem want to cut taxes and return to Reaganomics, the very thing that got us here, wake up, your smarter than this. I make no excuses for Barry, he has yet to screw up 1/10th as bad yet, NOTICE I said yet........

I call for conservatives to be...well.... conservative, and stop calling out liberals for their "excessive spending", over the last 30 years they have outspent the liberals.............

March 3, 2010 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

The citizens of Kuwait enjoyed 10 cent a gallon gasoline while Bush bent Americans over and broke it off in us. The president has the power to stop filling the strategic oil reserves and even open them up to keep prices from skyrocketing. Of course nobody ever accused bush of understanding strategy. Or maybe he did understand what he was doing to us and did it anyway.

March 3, 2010 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"And the only thing the supreme court is doing is rewriting the constitution to fit their liking. IE lets read terrorist their miranda rights on the battle field."

As a gun owner and advocate it is looking more and more like the Supreme Court might very be enforcing the constitution in such a way that our 2nd amendment rights will be enhanced significantly.

March 3, 2010 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Yes the armed forces are the best in the world'
I contend that if they were privately run that the enlistees would be better paid and the whole thing would be run better.
Use the same Generals etc. but no politics.
We'd have been in Berlin first, might not have had a cold war with Russia, would probably have won Vietnam and would have kicked sadam's ass the first time instead of having to go back again.'

The mere thought of our armed forces being run privately is enough to scare the living you know what out of me. Think about what you just said, they already use contractors extensively, the decisions are made by the government. If you want someone like Blackwater or XE protecting you, be my guest, let me know how that works out.

March 3, 2010 at 11:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

If the only reason the post office is lossing money is because of their many retirees that's just another example of mismanagement by the gov.
What happened to the money they paid in to their retirement plan? The gov. sure as hell didn't give it to SS.
Wait, was there a postal workers union?
If there was maybe they were given to many benitfits and now it's catching up just like UAW
If I worked for UPS or FedEx I'd consider sueing your ass for slander for insinuating that I'm a thief.
As for your light, natural gas and auto gas, you must have one hell of a big house and drive a hummer.
My bill's aren't that high. Maybe you ought to stimulate the local economy by installing a new furnace and insulation with some of barry's stimulus money available for that. But wait I seem to remember that on another thread you were bringing in all kind of people for a job at your workplace from out of town. Oh well you can stimulate someone's economy.
And once again all you did was blame somebody else.

March 3, 2010 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"I contend that if they were privately run that the enlistees would be better paid and the whole thing would be run better.
Use the same Generals etc. but no politics.
We'd have been in Berlin first, might not have had a cold war with Russia, would probably have won Vietnam and would have kicked sadam's ass the first time instead of having to go back again."

After reading this statement I just had to add and laugh that you have this so very wrong. I was always under the impression we fought for our way of life not for money. Besides if we were privately run we would have bought out of merged in the above situation, conflict would have been deemed too costly LOL!!!!!

March 3, 2010 at 11:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Goodoleboy
Is the fact that barry took a couple of billion out to Nevada last week your idea of fiscal conservatism?

March 3, 2010 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Wait, was there a postal workers union?
If there was maybe they were given to many benitfits and now it's catching up just like UAW
If I worked for UPS or FedEx I'd consider sueing your ass for slander for insinuating that I'm a thief.'

You realize that UPS workers are unionized right? Or is that massively successful company headed the way of the UAW and others with "too many benefits"? Just another FYI before it's over I'll wager FEDEX becomes a Union Company too, what does that say about the USPS, hmmmm...

March 3, 2010 at 11:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Goodoleboy
Is the fact that barry took a couple of billion out to Nevada last week your idea of fiscal conservatism?"

Few billion? Dang bud that is chump change compared to the debt Reagan and Bush ran up, did he bet the long shot in Vegas hoping to pay off our tab?

You keep focusing on Obama, you fail to see or acknowledge the root cause regardless of the facts, this alone makes you illogical and shows what master you serve. Obama has nothing on these guys, he might very well aspire to equal them, but to this point he is a small fry.

March 3, 2010 at 11:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Goodjoss
Sorry about your buddy. Did I say the health care system couldn't use some work? No I didn't. I just don't want the gov. to screw it up, and I sure as hell don't want them to run it.
Tort reform, yes, health savings account , yes, letting insurance companies sell across state lines, yes, portability, yes, paying my premiums to uncle NO

March 3, 2010 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

One more thing, least he spent it here instead of overseas!

March 3, 2010 at 11:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

I have three huge houses, seven gas hog vehicles, two boats, four motorcycles, and a big motor on a stand that doesn't do anything but I start it up and listen to it cause it pisses my neighbor off. I did one of those carbon footprint tests and found out that if every person on this planet lived like me we would need like fifty planets. So what? As long as companies like KBR and Blackwater continue to contract former soldiers I'll be able to make ends meet. :-)

March 3, 2010 at 11:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Sorry about your buddy. Did I say the health care system couldn't use some work? No I didn't. I just don't want the gov. to screw it up, and I sure as hell don't want them to run it.
Tort reform, yes, health savings account , yes, letting insurance companies sell across state lines, yes, portability, yes, paying my premiums to uncle NO

Aren't you already paying premiums in a round about way now? Did you scream as much when a Republican controlled Congress and President expanded medicare by a large margin in 2003? Also last I heard the "public option" died long ago. Interesting

March 3, 2010 at 11:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

gob
I focus on Barry because he's the only action in town now. NOT Bush 1 or 2, NOT Clinton or Reagan.A couple of billion may be chump change to you but not to me.
I try to focus on the here and now, what can we do to make it better, who can we elect next. Living in the past and blaming the past pres. aint going to change a damn thing. You are the illogical one my friend. Blaming everyone else for what's happening now (while they may deserve the blame) isn't fixing a thing.
I don't beleive I've blamed anyone but the gov. here myself.
And in the true aspect of bipartisanship I have in this thread always said the gov. Not once have I blamed it on a democrat, republican, conservative or liberal. (I think)
To my way of thinking there is plenty of blame to go around for the last 20 yrs. or so and every damn one of the 4 mentioned above are to blame. Not just a pres. it takes the congress and senate too.

March 3, 2010 at 11:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Yes I'm paying a premium to a insurance company.
I scream every time the gov. raises my taxes no matter who's in charge.
What's public option got to do with anything I said?

March 3, 2010 at 11:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Unless public option means I can tell uncle I don't wan this insurance and that I'll keep mine.

March 3, 2010 at 11:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

By the way gob wouldn't it be a lot faster for you and a lot less irritating to everyone else if you'd quit rewriting everything I do when you answer?

March 3, 2010 at 11:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"I try to focus on the here and now, what can we do to make it better, who can we elect next. Living in the past and blaming the past pres. aint going to change a damn thing. You are the illogical one my friend. Blaming everyone else for what's happening now (while they may deserve the blame) isn't fixing a thing."

No I see what failed in the past and I seek to prevent the same mistakes. I watch and read a lot of conservative media, and I hear a lot about going back to Reaganomics, I seek to educate people on the result of this fiscal policy and how it is not viable. We are in a situation now where we are mortgaged to our ears by those in power before us, so how can they not be blamed? And better yet why should return to those failed polices? Realize I am talking about FISCAL policies here......

"And in the true aspect of bipartisanship I have in this thread always said the gov. Not once have I blamed it on a democrat, republican, conservative or liberal. (I think)"

First thing you did was say you take Reagan over Obama, when you compare Presidents guess what, at this point both are almost identical, a lot of the same circumstances, same approval ratings, etc. Yet look at Reagan did in terms of spending? I hope like hell Obama does not go the way of Reagan, but he is already borrowing and spending and cutting taxes so its not looking good..

"Not just a pres. it takes the congress and senate too."

As I said earlier in terms om economics the Fed reserve is more accountable than the President, but the President and Congress can grow the National debt all on their own and it is clear at what times and where that happened in history thus far. Had we not leveraged ourselves to the teeth this crisis we are in now would not be one at all.

March 3, 2010 at 11:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

Ronald Reagan was the greatest President in the last 100 years. Nobody even comes close. He won the Cold War and got the economy going after decades of abuse. Sinse he left the White House in 1989, the U.S. has went downhill, so lets discover what he did. First, he had a vision that people want more freedom and less government. By the way, Ford for the first time in 50 years out sold GM, the government intervention GM. Reagan also put the Soviets out of business, took on unlawful unions and derugulated oil production. I think he was able to see the world differently from the way it was and had a plan to get there. The thing I will never forget was that he had character and like the Founding Fathers, character is necessary for greatness. Get this, even Sam Davidson and Ted Kennedy admitted that Reagan had changed the world and did so with cander and honesty. Third, he was teachable, he was ready to modify. He realized that no nation can spend itself into prosperity. He lived in the 20's and saw the prosperity of tax cuts and the depression of the 30's with tax hikes. He saw the price controls under Nixion and the restrictions on oil production under Carter as being a problem, not a solution. History Lession--Reagan told people that in 4 decades, we've tried to spend our way to prosperity and it hasn't worked. 2 times in the last 100 years, the 20's and the early 60's we cut taxes and the immediate effect stimulated the economy. Reagan brought tax rates down for all taxpayers and revenue to the government expanded. From 1982 to 2007, the U.S. economy doubled in economic growth, with low unemployment. During these memorable years, I give thanks for the freedom and prosperity that Americans enjoyed because of the vision, the character and let all future presidents never forget those teachable qualities which elevates a president to greatness. He was truely a good ole boy. He ought to be added to Mt. Rushmore. And I'm round'n third and head'n home.

March 4, 2010 at midnight ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Yes I said I'd take Reagan over Barry.
Don't make me any difference which party they were in that's my preference.
I happen to think Reagans way worked, you don't, guess we'll have to agree to disagree (again).

March 4, 2010 at 12:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"By the way gob wouldn't it be a lot faster for you and a lot less irritating to everyone else if you'd quit rewriting everything I do when you answer?"

Is quoted material that hard to decipher? I want to ensure clarity and communication in the points I wish to address, if this is a problem perhaps you should try for some stimulus.

March 4, 2010 at 12:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Reddog
Probably the best (no the best) post you've ever written. You ought to try that more often.

March 4, 2010 at 12:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"I happen to think Reagans way worked, you don't, guess we'll have to agree to disagree (again)."

Don't scream about taxes then, we still have to pay off his tab.

March 4, 2010 at 12:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

This post is for Reddog:

"Ronald Reagan was the greatest President in the last 100 years."

By what criteria?

"He won the Cold War and got the economy going after decades of abuse."

The Cold war was not a war and the economy was not suffering from decades of abuse.

"Sinse he left the White House in 1989, the U.S. has went downhill,"

Wrong again, the US prospered in the 90's but it was saddled by the huge burden of debt left by Reagan.

"Ford for the first time in 50 years out sold GM, the government intervention GM. "

First time since 1998, wrong again........

"From 1982 to 2007, the U.S. economy doubled in economic growth, with low unemployment."

LMAO, best one yet, love to see your source, remember the the 1994 election?

Seriously man, keep sipping the wine if that is what gets you by. I usually don't say much when you post, but facts are facts and frankly you are full of it, every town needs a village idiot, you can be the forum version. Keep running those bases.

March 4, 2010 at 12:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

It's not his but what the hell what ever you think.
I'd tell you to read reddog's post but it would run off you like water off a ducks back.
Reddog I decided to give you an A plus in history and facts for that post.

March 4, 2010 at 12:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Guess I didn't have to tell you to read it but the results of your reading it were exactly what I suspected.

March 4, 2010 at 12:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

Utube Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words.....Documentation on the true story of the mortgage crisis. How the Democrats brought down the American Economy in their own words, are Democrates covering up the Fannie May fiasco?

March 4, 2010 at 12:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Almost everything posted that was not opinion is easily disproved by fact, you like living in fantasy land be my guest, have fun! You realize also that he contradicted himself twice in that post? I'm done here, I need not say anything else to either of you. Fact and logic have 0 meaning to you apparently, keep up the good work though, it makes good entertainment.

March 4, 2010 at 12:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Got me interested. Where did he, in your opinion, contradict himself?

March 4, 2010 at 12:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"It's not his but what the hell what ever you think.
I'd tell you to read reddog's post but it would run off you like water off a ducks back."

So he is not the one making the posts? Not that hardly anyone takes him seriously anymore, even in person.

Just an FYI on the rules:

• Agree not to have multiple personalities on our boards. Each user may have only one username. If you would like to change your username, please email us. Use or possession of multiple usernames may result in our banning your user account or accounts.

• Agree to not impersonate anyone on this web site;

Should we start suggesting removal then?

March 4, 2010 at 12:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Got me interested. Where did he, in your opinion, contradict himself?'

Not wasting my time on you or him anymore, believe what you want OK? As I said, fact and logic are there for you. If you can't decipher for yourself you are too far gone for me to help you.

March 4, 2010 at 12:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Gee gob and I thought we were getting along so well.
Just because he made some sense it's not his post?
Multiple personalities?
Impersonating someone else.
I could name a couple of others on here that I think fall in to one of those brackets every day.
You need to get some sleep you're starting to confuse me also, instead of just yourself.
Have a good night and
god bless

March 4, 2010 at 1:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

Go to B-Cast Interview: Was Barack Obama a Marxist in college?

March 4, 2010 at 1:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

There is nothing in the world like a persuasive speech to fuddle the mental apparatus--Mark Twain

March 4, 2010 at 1:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

tbluma, thank you very much for your post.

March 4, 2010 at 1:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

I think I figured out part of your confusion gob and it might have been my fault.
I was refering to the post of your's,you said "don't scream about taxes then we still have to pay off his tab."
I meant it's not (Reagan's) his.

March 4, 2010 at 2:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...

News Flash: Wall Street Journal, Obama will raise the debt more in 15 months than Reagan did in 8 years. Moody's is warning of a downgrade on U.S. Treasury Bonds and this could be the end of the dollar being the global reserve currency. A really big problem is the number of baby boomers retiring.....Good night and God bless and enjoy tomorrow as everyday is a gift.

March 4, 2010 at 2:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Well at least by skipping over everything that reddog writes that starts with google this or you tube that, I can significantly reduce my reading time. That you tube shocking video things he keeps throwing out....one of the few I've ever actually looked at......was one of the most flagrant pieces of biased crap I have ever seen in my life. Anybody that would take that as unbiased factual information is a fool.

My guess is much of what he quotes or refers to is the same way.

March 4, 2010 at 6:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I do agree with reddog that much of the SS and Medicare problems we are seeing now is the result of the baby boomers now starting to flood the system. The baby boom could not have been predicted when Social Security was initiated, but was totally mismanaged by the system and the government under both political parties once it arose.

But the only really important question for us to argue about now is how to correct the problem.

March 4, 2010 at 6:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Term Limits, and until then voting Every Incumbent out of office.
But I think there is probably no fixing of the problem, shy of a quarantine of D.C. it's too late.

March 4, 2010 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

If it is too late Steve....and it may well be....what will our new world look like? Where do we go from here? And who will lead us there?

One thing for certain, anything that resembles anarchy is not the answer. All anarchy does is replace governments with war lords...and I would certainly rather have government. But even if we quarantine D.C., the people of the country are just as divided as it is. There is no guarantee that getting rid of D.C. would bring us any closer to agreement on how to run things.....and that starts to look like a collection of small armed camps....and that starts to sound like war lords.....and that gets close to anarchy.

March 4, 2010 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

Funny how reagan's staff became bush's cabinet and the world became a war zone where no one could agree with one another and even america's civil divisions grew larger than anytime since lincoln's civil war and our economy became worst than anytime since the great depression. Hmmm...let's see...Republican control of the house, senate, white house and the supreme court equals lincoln's civil war, hoover's great depression or bushes holy wars and world economic collapse. Again, I say outlaw the republican party because they are worse than Nazi's and Baath combined. Ov course we will never learn from history because people just ignore the facts and make up sh!+

March 4, 2010 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

When a criminal religious extremist gets hold of the former soviet unions suitcase bombs and detonates it will the regan lovers admit that that would be regans fault for destroying the soviet union with no plan to secure their weapons? We are paying hundreds of billions of dollars just to try to find all of that stuff regan left scattered across the world as a result of his cold war victory. That is why I say republicans are too stupid to lead me. They don't know where they are going and they refuse to stop and ask for directions.

March 4, 2010 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

genxer (anonymous) says...

The problem is that although everyone wants change they are not agreed on what that change should be. We are a divided country with half of us wanting a move in the liberal direction and the other half wanting a move to conservatism.

Nobody wants to meet in the middle. Obama promised change and he's trying to deliver but many are finding out that it isn't the kind of change they want or feel they can live with. This includes liberals and conservatives.

March 4, 2010 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Well biscuit, I hate to be so depressing on a sunny Thurs. morning in Emporia but here is what I see coming. Nothing like the America we grew up in, but a North American Union, (like Europe), with America descending into a 3rd world status.
I see our country and Canada standards of living regressing to that of many Latin American countries. And I see our grandchildren as being the first generation in our countries long history as not having a better life than the prior generation

I hate to be so gloomy, but if SOMETHING???????????????????????????
isn't done, and soon, that's what I see.
.

March 4, 2010 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

genxer is correct.

It is hard for two of us on here to agree with each other. Get a committee of 12 together if you really want gridlock. Then you go to our state and federal governments with a whole buttload of conflicting ideas of what the answers to our problems are.

And I notice that most of us on here don't have concrete ideas of solving the problems, they insist on debating who or what party created them.
And I think therein lies the problem.

March 4, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

dclyons1218 (anonymous) says...

I would love to comment on thsi article. Yes Obama did preach change and untiy and that is a process that takes time. Obama has not been in office for a year yet. He is being held to a higher standard then any other president. People that are commenting and writing these articles obviously voted for George Bush who is single handly responisble for starting a war for his own selfish gain and messed up the economy so bad that we are going through a recession, Give Obama a chance. Do me a favor put your self in his shoes and I bet you would do the same as George Bush and become the worst president in American History

March 4, 2010 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I agree one hundred percent with Steve and genxer....and our current political system does nothing to foster compromise and cooperation...only divisiveness.

But despite the claims of both parties, genxer is right in that both opposing camps seem to attract about half of the people of the country. I'm am not at all sure we are not heading towards the country splitting into either something like the United Red States of America and the United Blue States of America....or a weak confederation of regional countries controlled by regional interest and a me first mentality similar to Europe prior to the European Union.

When either of those scenarios come to pass we will all be wishing we had learned better how to cooperate......because then we will certainly be facing the future Steve envisions. The problem now is the parties...3rd parties included.....all represent pretty much the extreme edges of our collective vision. But unless a compromise middle group can somehow emerge to lead us out of the wilderness I too fear we are through.

Now...here is the kicker....I thought Obama was just such a centrist with a shot at making moderation occur. But he has not been given any chance to do so. And with that statement alone I have doomed everything else I just said to division and rejection. And therein lies the rub!

March 4, 2010 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wirewatt (Ken Bazil) says...

Goodjos your friends situation was probably set up to beat the system and he probably got caught in it. He probably could have had insurance on his folks insurance, but because they make to much money he would have to pay for his education. I feel if you want an education you should pay for it. We have a great military system where you can serve your county and get an education. I don't owe everyone a higher education, I paid for mine and I helped my family members pay for theirs. I don't think the country is ready to pay for the dreams of the president, which will break our country and our way of life.

March 4, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

wirewatt

I agree with your assessment of what happened.

As to your other point, seems to me like our country was already pretty much broke before Obama and his dream ever sat foot in the Oval Office.

March 4, 2010 at 6:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

Although I cannot change the world, I can make my world a better place by improving the curb appeal of my property and expanding my garden by double. It really doesn't matter what the two parties do because my flowers are going to be ever more brilliant this year as last and I can't wait till the first blooms of spring!!! By then we should have health care reform without the party of no.

March 4, 2010 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Whenever you have an efficient government you have a dictatorship.
- Harry S Truman

March 4, 2010 at 7:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"As to your other point, seems to me like our country was already pretty much broke before Obama and his dream ever sat foot in the Oval Office."

Careful, sense and reason don't seem to be the popular theme according to what I've seen so far here.

March 4, 2010 at 8:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hogan77 (anonymous) says...

Everyone always complains about Obama, and what he is doing, or the lack thereof. Well, my question to you all is simple. If you were president, in HIS shoes, what exactly would you do differently to ensure everything was fixed... and how would you do it without spending millions-trillions of dollars and/or pissing people off?

The point is, there isn't any way that you could accomplish anything without spending money or pissing people off. Obama is your president, and will be for 3 more years. Get over it already people. There have been far worse presidents in our history.

March 4, 2010 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Good grief, I read back through a few of reddog's posts, really man, do you lie this much to your customers? Your a moron.

March 4, 2010 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

koalemos (anonymous) says...

If I were in his shoes, I would have the entire previous administration including their secretaries and staffers arrested and handed over to the world court to be tried for war crimes. It might not fix the problems of the world but is would make half of the US and everyone else in the world smile without the expense of handing them a coke.

March 5, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hogan77 (anonymous) says...

You know, I am truly amazed. EVERY time I ask my previous question, everyone always shuts up instantly.

March 5, 2010 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

Better question would be, if the sitting president did not inherit a record deficit would his deficit be anywhere near what it is now? The guy was handed a maxed out credit card to deal with.

There are a lot of people out there with partisan blinders on, they see the discontent and think it is because of a certain party or a certain leader. Almost every poll I have seen shows high levels of discontent with GOVERNMENT, not a specific party. It's very hard for me sit by and watch wing nuts attack our sitting president after a year when a conservative(supposed to be fiscally responsible) president ran up unheard of deficits. It's an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp! Then I hear we need Reaganomics, I hear conservatives talk about the good ole' days, folks they were manufactured, Reagan spent more than he took in, and then borrowed to spend more, that is not conservatism, and certainly not fiscally responsible. We need to return to the 90's if anything, what was done then by Clinton and republican controlled congress worked. The numbers don't lie. Mind you I only speak of FISCAL matters which is the concern here.

March 5, 2010 at 6:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

sunshine (anonymous) says...

If you have any doubt that this country needs healthcare you should watch these two videos: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontli...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontli...
Take the time to view them. I don't know if Obama's plan is 100% what we need, but we need health care reform badly.

March 5, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

I would have to agree with what Warren Buffet had to say recently where he said faced with current reform or doing nothing, he would choose current reform, we cannot afford to do nothing.

March 5, 2010 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I saw a report on CNN the other day that said the Republicans had used reconciliation 19 times compared to the Democrats only using it six times. I say it's time we move a little closer to parity on that. Get er dun!

March 6, 2010 at 5:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

There's a whiff of the lynch mob or the lemming migration about any overlarge concentration of like-thinking individuals, no matter how virtuous their cause.
- P. J. O'Rourke

When I read that it made me think of the tea party convention....or any other political convention for that matter.

March 7, 2010 at 4:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

rabblerouser (anonymous) says...

If they would simply pass ONE law, it would fix probably 99% of our problems in this country. It would be call the "ANTI GREED LAW". Think about it. Insurance companies, oil companies, drug companies, all companies with lobbyist. Most all of our problems can be attributed to GREED!

March 7, 2010 at 5:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

rabblerouser

I agree at least for the most part. Lobbyist are the real enemy here. Without their undue influence on our elected officials...we would almost certainly see better decisions made by those officials. But then who are the lobbyist working for? Certainly not you and me.

The lobbyist represent the corporations and institutions and associations that have the necessary deep pockets and motivation to do so. And that motivation is almost always self-serving......to protect what they already have.....or to pave the way for them to get more. And now the Supreme Court has ruled that the same corporations can spend without limit when it comes to contributing money to these same elected officials.

What still amazes me is how easy it is for people to blame all of this on the elected officials without ever looking at the source of the money that makes it all possible. Why?

March 7, 2010 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

The problem with getting rid of or banning lobbying and lobbyists, will be the congressmen/women themselves.
Trying to convince them to shoot their cash cow will never, ever happen, as these congressmen/women are making way to much money from lobbying and lobbyists.
There is an old idiom that goes, " Money talks, Bull$hit walks ! " And this has never been more true than with elected public officials.

March 7, 2010 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Oh I certainly agree methusla. I am not trying to say that the elected officials have no guilt in this. They are as guilty as sin. And they certainly have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Even the high cost of getting elected and maintaining a second home in Washington while continuing to live in and represent the people of Kansas plays a role in it.

But it is the whole system that is broken....not just one part of it. That is the point that I keep hammering away at as I so often here people seemingly blaming all this mess just on the government. The government is certainly the problem....but it is only part of the problem. The undue amount influence we allow money to buy in these things is just as much of the problem. You can't correct half of the equation without correcting the rest of it.

March 7, 2010 at 9:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

solong (anonymous) says...

I would shudder to think that reddog could be asked to be an impartial jury member in a court of law when facts were presented and say he could, what a travesty that would be. I will give Reagan credit for one thing only, he built a military that was second to none. The only problem was he couldn't fund it and we have been paying for it ever since. He destroyed the unions and middle class and trickle down economics was an absolute joke, the tax breaks for the rich made them very happy while the rest of us do their bidding. I may not like everything Obama has done but I have far more confidence in him that I had in Bush, he at least recognizes we have huge problems everywhere and is trying to deal with them. Bush on the other hand lied us into a war and bankrupted us without getting anything accomplished, Obama is trying to deal with everything that has been put aside for way to many years by to many presidents before those issues destroy us. He may be trying to do to much but it's only because their is so much to do.

March 7, 2010 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )