Excuse me folks
Jim Sells, Emporia
Thursday, July 1, 2010
Excuse me, please. What kind of a crisis are we brewing here in our country?
We don’t just have 12-million-plus illegal aliens running loose here and marching in our streets in defiance.
We have 12-million-plus FELONY-CRIMINAL ALIENS — plus their friends — telling us we are no longer a country built on constitutional law. We are now a country where law is a joke to those marching and near rioting in our streets simply because a state terribly criminalized by these illegal felony criminals has decided to try and stop it.
When their backs are against the wall with nowhere else to turn, what else is there to do but pass new state laws to enforce the already existing laws against felony-criminals. As a last resort, before outright arresting them which has always been legal — even while some of these felony criminal aliens are shooting and killing citizens of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.
Our president was talking to the wrong group of graduating people in Michigan about use of inflammatory words. He needs to address the illegal felony criminals by telling them to leave our country immediately, instead of marching in our streets and inciting race riots against our citizens, not to exclude some of our legal citizens who are also included in these felony criminal acts.
Please try to distance yourselves from whatever you are smoking, folks. This is serious business. We either are, or we are not, a nation of enforcing laws. It is a matter of law. Our Constitution requires the U.S. government to put a stop to this kind of behavior.
Jim Sells
Emporia
sail (anonymous) says...
I agree Jim, but the sad truth is these people are wanted as new voters. That is the cold hard truth.
July 1, 2010 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
arminius (anonymous) says...
Immigration law is necessary. But the law becomes a joke when it criminalizes normal human behaviors, like relocating for a job. Migration is as natural as eating a drinking... and our current rate of 5,000 low-skilled visas isn't going to cut it. We either need more visas or we need bigger penalties for the people who are hiring illegally.
Arizona's law is as ridiculous as it is reactive. How on earth are we going to pay to depopulate our country of 12 million people?
July 1, 2010 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Jim Sells,
You are exactly right about the illegal immigration problem and sail you are exactly right also about the voter side of the problem also.
Here is the problem, as long as you are going to have " bleeding hearts " such as arminius, and others, who say punish those who hire the illegal immigrants and not close the boarder to the illegals, drug smugglers, illegal immigrant smugglers, etc., the problem will continue to exist and even get worse.
Arizona and the 21 others states who are comtemplating taking care of the illegal immigrant problems themselves, because the double talking, spineless President and Congress are unwilling to do so, are absolutely on the right track in trying to protect the legal citizens of their respective States and Country.
In case you bleeding hearts are not aware, illegal immigrants recieve much more in public entitlements and assistance than they will ever pay as legal taxpayers. And this fact alone will break this country, unless something is done about it . And what ever is done to aleviate the problem will have to be soon and of a forceful nature .
July 1, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Jim says, "Please try to distance yourselves from whatever you are smoking, folks. This is serious business."
I agree! The dangers of smoking are very serious! Statistically speaking, smoking harms way more people in our nation than illegal immigrants do. If you insist on smoking, please distance yourself from others so you don't cause them any harm. Thanks!
On a more serious note, I must ask Jim the following: How, specifically, has your life been impacted by all these illegal aliens? I don't think they should be allowed to break the law, but I want to know where your sense of urgency and tone of desperation is coming from.
'enry
July 1, 2010 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
Its interesting ,but sad , that the rate of killing at the boarder exceeds that per year in Viet Nam, I think the # exceeds 17,000 the past two years.Where is CNN? Also recollect hearing the cap of AZ. is the 2nd highest kidnap area in the world , 2nd to MEX CITY.
July 1, 2010 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reality (anonymous) says...
arminius,
you asked how are we are going to pay to send 12 million people home, I would volunteer to pay for a few bus rides or plane tickets back and I imagine I am not the only one.
July 1, 2010 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Henry, I truly believe that "cigarette smoking" is all you can talk about. I don't believe Jim was speaking of "smoking cigarette" for it doesn't change you brainwaves!!!! Now that pile
of wood with your carcass on top of it, burning, would!!! Also, the coal mines, planes taking off day by day etc. changes the air we breath much worse then any cigarette burning. Get real!Let's take that car away from you and make you WALK!!! You are polluting my air and I don't like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, take YOUR car for that is what you have done with this ban, Selective!!!! for you had a choice with no thought or concern of anyone else. Imagration-YES! we need to handle or as was stated, will totally break the "backbone" of this nation, if it hasn't all ready.
July 1, 2010 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
They seemed to be able to get here without my help. They should be able to make it back by themselves too. Send Mexico the invoice for whatever it costs to return them and if Mexico refuses to pay we could foreclose and take possession of the real estate. If we put Mexico up for auction, would it bring a decent price? Maybe Communist China will bid on Mexico. They have lots of money because stupid Americans buy cheap Chinese Electronics. How much did you guys pay China for that computer your blogging with? I say Build American, Buy American and Hire American or go do business elsewhere! At least pay a fine or something. Duh!
July 1, 2010 at 6:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
arminius (anonymous) says...
I'm wondering, when did Ronald Reagan conservatism become "bleeding heart" liberalism?
Even President Bush supported a pathway to citizenship. But that was before Pat Buchanan became mainstream.
July 1, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Giving " amnesty " or instant citizenship to illegal aliens is not and will not be fair to those who are trying and have gone through the proper and " Legal " means to becomming U.S. citizens.
The path to U.S. citizenship must be within the bounds of the " LAW " and " ENFORCED " with a force and zeal and severe punishment, so as to make those who wish to even try to enter the U.S. " ILLEGALLY " think very hard about the consequences of even attempting to do so . Amnesty or instant citizenship for " Illegal immigrants/aliens " ? Not on your life.
July 1, 2010 at 9:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Those who wish to immigrate to the U.S. and become a U.S. citizen, have had a pathway to U.S. citizenship for years now. All they have to do is follow the steps set forth by the Immigration Laws and immigrate to the U.S. in a " LEGAL MANNER " . If they immigrate any other way then they are doing so " ILLEGALLY " and should be branded as Ilgal immigrants/aliens and classified as " CRIMINALS " for breaking the law of the U.S. and should be punished as such. And if you break the law, any law, you are considered a criminal and thats all there is to that .
July 1, 2010 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
While J walking the other day, I realized that I had just committed a crime. Of course there was no defined street crossing in sight so maybe I was just doing what everyone does. If that is the case then I'm not a criminal but an average Joe. Kind of like that "Joe the Plumber" dude who doesn't pay his taxes or that lady from Alaska who reminded me that people just love to piss on other peoples black kettles but refuse to look in the mirror to see their own black kettle sitting on the shelf behind them. America is a great place to live, work and raise a family. If the people on the outside looking in can see that then why can't we see it for ourselves? Relax, everything will be alright.
July 2, 2010 at 1:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
methusla..the truth of the matter is this. 180,000 individuals came to the US legally last tear from Mexico. They are on the path to US citizenship.
Today Obama said that we need to do something so these illegals are not taken advantage of in the workplace. Well, try this on for size. Come here legally, get a job and pay taxes.
In the state of AZ illegals get free health care in that they don't pay with the money they do earn.
It gets paid for by the taxpayer. They get food stamps. They get a free education. They don't pay property taxes and thats how education in the State of AZ is paid for. AZ has a 2 billion dollar deficit directly tied to the illegals. Can you imagine how much money we could save in AZ if we just bought them bus tickets to Kansas.
Tonight I see that Mexico has been granted permission to challenge SB 1070 in AZ. Can you believe that? A foreign Government can challenge a state law in AZ. Good luck guys, because your state might be next.
If the border in AZ is so safe, then can any of you tell me why Obamas speech was not in Nogales AZ. He thinks it safe for me. Why does he not bring his skinny little chicken ass down here and show us how safe it is.
Are you aware that there is a stretch of federal land that goes 30 miles deep into AZ that we as AZ citizens are advised not to enter for our own protection. Obama has posted signs on this property telling us not to enter. The Federal Gov (obama) says that this stretch of AZ is used by illegals and drug trafficers so beware.
Did you know that in this stretch of 30 miles, Mexican drug lords have look outs to inform the smugglers where the good guys are. This is a mildly mountainious region. The bad guys are on top of the mountains. Did you know that AZ law enforcement is not allowed to enter on federal land to pursue the bad guys. Now here is one you won't believe but it is true. Did you know that Obama does not allow the Border Patrol to enter into Federal land to pursue the bad guys. It is against the Obama law.
You know something dumb, Obama wants you to believe that it is OK for all of us to be against the Bush policies and big oil. Obama is a former drug addict and self confessed drug dealer. Is it any wonder that he might be open to allowing drugs to cross the border. Is it possible that he just might be profiting.
July 2, 2010 at 1:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Hey REWBA, whats your address, I'll be happy to send that first bus load right to your front door so that you can show them the all american way to enjoy the US of A. Tell it to the 5 12 & 13 year olds here in Chandler AZ that were reaped by an illegal that everything will be OK. Tell it to the Police officers Families that have been gunned down in Phoenix. George Bush put 6000 more agents on the border in AZ. This semi idiot we have as Pres is only sending 525.
I say lets send them all to Emporia and let REWBA enjoy their company. They are after all model citizens.
July 2, 2010 at 1:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
In 1969 Richard Nixon declared that we as a country had a war on drugs.
Right now today we have Mexican drug cartels bringing drugs across the Border into AZ for distribution to the rest of the US.
Now pardon me folks, but when I hear the word war certain things are brought to mind. First of all I should be allowed to defend myself against this armed invasion. And yes folks, these bad guys are heavily armed and they are invading the US of A most every day. Is the US gov not supposed to protect us from any type of armed invasion or is it only the ones the current Pres decides.
My personal belief is that we could fix all this. Let me throw out a few names that I believe would be of monumental help.
82nd Airborne
101 Airborne
75th Ranger Battalion
Any number of Marine groups, Semper Fi Guys
What do you think......sound like a plan.
July 2, 2010 at 1:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Tonight while I was driving home from work I heard on the radio that a gun battle had occurred 12 miles from the mexico/US border town of Nogales.
@21 people were killed in the shoot out between rival drug gangs.
12miles folks... from your great town of Emporia it is 12 miles to Wooster lake in Lyon County. But you all really know how close that is. These were the same Cartels that last week threatened the police force in Nogales with retaliation for a drug bust by off duty officers made on the US side of the border.
July 2, 2010 at 2:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Sorry, the 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne, 75th Ranger Regiment and most of the Marine's Few Good Men are all still trying to deal with Bush's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Maybe what your town should do is copy the citizens of Emporia Kansas when we were inundated with Somali Refugees. Just send their employer somewhere else. Want your cake and eat it too. Keep dreaming!
July 2, 2010 at 2:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Even when faced with facts you digress to something else. Factually though, Afghanistan is not Bushes war anymore. Remember Obama said that Bush had given up on Afghanistan. It is Obama's war. And trust me , the guys from those groups that I mentioned are not the one on active duty. I'm talking about the ones that might just want to volunteer.
And I also left out one very important group of "bad " guys. Navy seals would love this kind of duty. But all of that is for another post that I will do tomorrow.
July 2, 2010 at 2:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
" Factually though, Afghanistan is not Bushes war anymore. Remember Obama said that Bush had given up on Afghanistan. It is Obama's war."
No it is not, we have always had a presence in Afganistan, Bush was the one who ordered the troops there with no exit strat and consequently failed to commit the necessary manpower to even think about completing the task.
You really should fact check a bit more of what you say, not that I don't agree with you on some of your ideas but your posts look more like a conservative chain email.
July 2, 2010 at 9:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
geoffreym,
That sounds like a plan to me. Just end the never ending war in Afghanistan and Iraq and concentrate on fighting the real invasion of the U.S. that is and has been a growing problem .
July 2, 2010 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bloomsbury (SC DIXON) says...
I know that it is now cliché, but I’ve never understood what part of the concept of “illegal” some people don’t understand. A friend of mine was found guilty of DUI. He committed an illegal act. However, in return, his children did not get a free education (using the Spanish language), people did not go to his house and check on them regularly, he did not qualify for family wide health care; there was no free food and transportation.
He went to jail and served his time. You see, he was doing something ILLEGAL. Breaking the law used to have consequences. Apparently now there are only consequences for some. Others are apparently above the law. Too bad it’s not our citizens but people who CHOOSE to break the law, by the way with the help and encouragement of their own government.
Of course estimates vary but there are roughly 20 million American’s looking for jobs. There are somewhere between 15 and 30 million ILLEGALS in the country. Don’t give me that business about them doing jobs “American’s won’t do.” You see I could afford to work for 3 or 4 bucks an hour too if I lived on food stamps in government housing and had no medical bills.
Recently a teen age boy was shot by border patrol. Not once did I hear or read the headline “Mexican youth killed during the commission of a crime.” If indeed he was assaulting the patrol with rocks, as the security tape shows, that is a felony offence. He was a known human smuggler but the media painted him as an agelic honor student.
How does illegal immigration affect us in Emporia? You feel the effect every time you pay one penny in tax.
July 2, 2010 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
goodolboy, no exit strategy was Iraq. nice try...
bloomsbury, how dare you to inject facts into the conversation. you should be ashamed.
July 2, 2010 at 12:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUlhYk...
July 2, 2010 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I hate to say this but, geoffreym, I think you are r...ri...righ...correct. We need to hire our own ex-special forces to combat the Mexican drug lords. After all, that's what they do.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/worl...
July 2, 2010 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cepperly (anonymous) says...
Nicely put Jeff.
The drug war is non-winnable and anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool. We could nuke Mexico and eliminate it completely from the map and the would not stop drugs. Unfortunately, the Law of supply and demand added to profit margin will drive drugs into this country forever. Atleast two of those variables must be abolished before there can be an accomplishable mission for the war on drugs.
Right now, the mission is simply to "look" like we are doing ALL we can and to create numbers to show a declining drug problem.
Sadly, we are too busy fighting "the same team" and the net effect of that is it's not worth the fight.
Our society should focus on raising our children with Godly values so they won't get involved in drugs, pray that others do the same and forget about fighting the drug war until people start taking it seriously.
July 2, 2010 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cepperly (anonymous) says...
I never though it was winnable, I use to feel like what we were doing was making a difference, but now, I see the reality of it, and nobody can fathom the price my family had to pay for me to go out and do what I loved to do.
Hind sight is always 20/20 and your six is never clear even if somebody has your back. Sad, but true.
July 2, 2010 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
seriously, Thanks for that link to the abc news video, a real eye-opener. There's a real war going on along that border, and what we're doing now is just not enough to control anything. I really feel for those border guards. It must take everything they've got not to fire.
So much for the fence. I remember when many people kept insisting that a fence would do the job. More money down the drain.
July 3, 2010 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
When you watch those video's, don't you think that the Pres should send some real warriors down there. These agents are not trained to do combat.
They are trained to act with constraint. I applaud them for that. Think of this, if you or I were in a war zone and the enemy threw a molotov cocktail at you, the rules of engagement would allow you to return fire. Enough said....
July 3, 2010 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
A 500 yd. wide " dead/kill zone " along the South Western border of the U.S. may just do the job of discouraging illegal entry into the U.S.. But that may be a little too drastic for some . However sending our young people to fight and die fighting unjustified wars thousands of miles away, in countries that do not care about or what happens to or in the U.S. does not seem to be too drastic for some. And yes there is a " War " raging right here in the U.S. against illegal immigration/immigrants, of which some or most are criminals who care nothing about the laws in their own country, let alone the laws of the U.S..
And if people think that the immigration laws of the U.S. and the States who have already enacted or are about enact their own immigration laws, the immigration laws of Mexico are much more strict as are the penaltys for illegal immigration into Mexico . The U.S. immigration laws pale in comparison.
If you don' t think so, take a look at all or any of the following, http://www.newswithviews.com/Slagle/j...
http://newsblaze.com/story/2007082805...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/l...
http://www.humanevents.com/article.ph...
July 3, 2010 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Here is a ice link. Obama has time to sue AZ but not investigate his own appointed individuals selling access to the uS by drug dealers.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/...
July 3, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Sorry, one more link. You see, its been broken down to ideaology and by God we want them here and at no time do we want to embarrass the pres.
This Mayor is breaking federal immigration law. He is supposed to turn Criminals over to ICE. This is who Obama should be investigating.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/...
July 3, 2010 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Yeah, like Obama has time to appoint clerks. She just worked for the feds. She probably has been working for them for a long time, even during Bush's time. But let's not allow any info about how long she has worked for the feds. The Obama bashers need fuel.
July 3, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bloomsbury (SC DIXON) says...
"The Obama bashers need fuel. "
Sad to say, create, you're wrong. They don't need fuel. Obama and Plugs Biden are keeping them well supplied without outside help.
July 3, 2010 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Arizona has become a real peach of a state. I guess after watching their sheriff make an arse of himself until his name became nationally recognized, the state decided to get some national recognition too. All the Arizona population is competing with one another to become the biggest looser. In addition to the asinine anti-immigrant law, some are suggesting to cut off water, gas and electric to people who haven't proved themselves worthy of a drink of water.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio calls himself America's Toughest Sheriff but Arizona still has crime. Lots more that we have here in Kansas.
Arizona's tough new law brings them lots of publicity but it won't solve illegal immigration. I would be willing to bet that in the next ten years Arizona will still have more illegals than Kansas.
I say cut off Arizona's water rights to the Colorado River and give that extra water to California and Vegas.
http://www.azcentral.com/business/art...
July 3, 2010 at 2:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
I don't believe the Arizona law will solve any problems with illegals. I do believe it will create problems for legals who happen to be a color other than white.
What scares me is that the author of the Arizona law is running for Kansas Sec. of State. Even scarier is that Kansans are dumb enough to elect him.
July 3, 2010 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I think there are some people on this forum that should really take a look at the following,
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impact...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/17/...
Here is a little piece taken from, http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/0...
pub17
Posted July 13, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
This topic is the reason I started posting here in the first place. I’m an ex-IRS collections employee (thus ‘Pub17′). Nobody’s going to listen to this, but if this does p1ss you off, pass it on, because I’m done trying.
If you have fantasies about illegales at least paying taxes, read Pub 17, under ‘Dependents.’ Table 3-1 is one place. Legitimate dependents are those people you support who live in the U.S., Canada, AND MEXICO.
Get it? Not the kids who live in your house, ANY ONE IN THE COUNTRY OF MEXICO WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE SUPPORTING IS YOUR DEPENDENT. It’s in the book, brethren.
Worse. If IRS DOES catch you cheating and finally pops your wages, you can’t be forced to pay back more than an amount set by law depending on your filing status and, you guessed it, number of exemptions. That’s in Form 1494. Six exemptions, for example, the first $2658.33 per month of your wages is exempt from levy.
How many illegales do you think are paying income tax in this country AT ALL? How many illegales who get caught cheating on their taxes do you think we’re collecting back taxes from?
And koalemos, perhaps the reason Arizona has a higher crime rate than Kansas is because Arizona has twice the number of illegal immigrants, that are breaking laws, than Kansas has .
What scares me is all of the above and those who want to do absolutely nothing to aleviate the growing problem.
July 3, 2010 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Good Lord, Meth. Do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just keep swiping from others?
July 3, 2010 at 8:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Perhaps if people would realize that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that there is an illegal immigration problem, meth and others could stop pointing it out repeatedly and often. Unfortunately there are too many people that would rather ignore the problem and use this opportunity to point out how greatly not racist they are and how anybody and everybody that is against illegal immigration is a racist. This issue is not about race though, it is about the law and how everyone should be required to obey the law. Look at the supposed Russian spys, nobody is raising a stink about them being picked on. I think pretty much everybody thinks they should be investigated and justice served. Why defend one groups illegal activity and not another?
July 3, 2010 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Few believe there is NOT a problem with illegal immigrants. Many believe the problem lies in the prosecution of illegals that ALSO allows the persecution of legals. I believe that the Constitution protects the legal, even if they are non-Caucasians. I believe in the Constitution and am not willing to give up that protection without a fight.
Deal with the illegals in a legitimate, legal manner AND protect the citizens.
July 3, 2010 at 9:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
We need to tighten the border...that's true. But...Take away the jobs and illegal workers will self deport.
Change the language of current law from "Any employer who knowingly hires an illegal" to "Any employer who hires an illegal."
Ignorance of the law is no excuse to break the law. That's what they always tell me when I unwittingly break a law.
July 3, 2010 at 10:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
If my employer gets punished for unknowingly hiring an illegal citizen it will no doubt end up hurting me. The company will have to pay fines which will surely come out of my future paychecks and that is less money I pay taxes on and pump back into the economy. We all lose. You see illegals don't make it easy for employers to know they are illegal. They are very good at getting fake papers and providing each other with fake papers. If companies aggressively check these documents and scrutinize them, you same people that are now advocating these employers not hire illegals will complain that the companies are "profiling" and being "racists" and "naughty". You will complain and cry racism no matter what is done. You really don't want anything done, just admit it.
July 3, 2010 at 11:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Unknowingly?
" Tyson managers would contact local smugglers and contract out for shipments of workers. The managers would get fake documents for the illegal aliens; as part of getting fake Social Security cards they would submit stolen Social Security numbers to the INS’s Basic Pilot Program for verification of employability to see which ones were rejected. The managers would also arrange payment via corporate checks given to the illegal aliens who would turn the money over to the smuggler.
As part of the investigation, undercover federal agents pretending to be smugglers contracted for a load of over 200 illegal aliens, negotiating with Tyson executives in several different states."
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...
July 3, 2010 at 11:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Yeah, like they don't know...
"Iowa’s meatpacking industry is dependent on foreign workers, many of whom are illegal aliens; without them it would have to raise wages and improve working conditions.48/ Meatpackers like IBP do direct recruiting in Mexico with radio ads, paying a private bus company to transport workers to its plants."
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...
July 4, 2010 at 12:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
It's like...I didn't know! They were Illegal? Here, have 11 million dollars to quit investigating us.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1...
July 4, 2010 at 12:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
For one, the meat packing industry is not the only industry to hire "could be" illegals and if hired through a temp service the company has very little way of knowing who is coming through the doors to work. For two, if these companies did crack down on illegal immigrants you folks would complain that they aren't being nice to those poor illegals and you'd get the ACLU to sue the companies for taking away the rights of the illegals. Third, it is not the job of companies to keep people from entering our borders illegally, that is the job of our government. When the Arizona government got tired of waiting for our federal government to do something they did something and people complained. I bet if the federal government did anything the same people would complain. I honestly believe these complainers would complain no matter what was done and they really just don't want anything done. That's fine you can have your opinion. We will have to agree to disagree. Just try for once to be honest about what your opinion actually is. I do agree that if companies are knowingly hiring illegals they should be investigated and punished accordingly but that in no way exonerates the individuals that knowingly entered this country illegally. Guilty is guilty.
July 4, 2010 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
irishemporia
Good Lord , yes I do have an origional thought, but the problem is everytime I post an origional or any other thought, there are those who don' t like my origional thoughts either, such as you.
So, any more, when I do post thoughts on some topics, I must also include " facts " gathered from informational sites in hopes of getting a factual, lagitimate, point across, from an expert, so to speak, to those who are too hard headed to understand a problem or just don' t like my comments or me personally. These/this problem is slapping them/us in face, every minute of every day. And yes I will " swipe " any and all informational material, I believe to be pertinent, to try and get a point across about a growing problem that will destroy this country . I suggest if you do not like or approve of my methods, don' t read my posts or any of the information I enclude in them. Its as simple as that .
Oh, and if you are referring to the comment by pub17 I posted. If you will or have read it, you will see that he/she asked everyone who reads his/her blog, to pass it on to others who may be interested . Besides, you, yourself have managed to " swipe " your share of not so entirely your own thoughts.
July 4, 2010 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
irishemporia
Good Lord , yes I do have an origional thought, but the problem is everytime I post an origional or any other thought, there are those who don' t like my origional thoughts either, such as you.
So, any more, when I do post thoughts on some topics, I must also include " facts " gathered from informational sites in hopes of getting a factual, lagitimate, point across, from an expert, so to speak, to those who are too hard headed to understand a problem or just don' t like my comments or me personally. These/this problem is slapping them/us in face, every minute of every day. And yes I will " swipe " any and all informational material, I believe to be pertinent, to try and get a point across about a growing problem that will destroy this country . I suggest if you do not like or approve of my methods, don' t read my posts or any of the information I enclude in them. Its as simple as that .
Oh, and if you are referring to the comment by pub17 I posted. If you will or have read it, you will see that he/she asked everyone who reads his/her blog, to pass it on to others who may be interested . Besides, you, yourself have managed to " swipe " your share of not so entirely your own thoughts.
I and almost everyone, knows/knew that illegal immigrants were/are not paying their fair share of income taxes, etc., I just finally came across someone, an ex IRS collections agent who could confirm the fact.
Does that make me the bad person you are trying to make me out to be ?
July 4, 2010 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Sorry folks, about the double post.
irish, your origional thoughts make absolutely no sense at all, such as your last post of, July 3, 2010 at 9:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal ) , this post of yours is a contradiction unto itself.
How can you believe in doing something about the illegal immigrant problem, especially when the biggest problem is illegal immigrants of a certain skin color and turn around and say that you believe that is not right ? With that type of logic, then that means that when anyone, no matter what their skin color may be, are being persecuted, whether they are legal, illegal or native .
Good lord, how many times has it been pointed out, that the legal immigrants, etc., shouldn' t or wouldn' t have a problem, if they broke the law, showing an officer of the law, their papers or I.D..
Do you believe you are being persecuted if and when an officer of the law stops you for an illegal turn, lane change, failure to stop at a traffic light or stop sign or an accident or a simple drivers license check lane and asks for some form of legitimate/legal form of Identification ?
July 4, 2010 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks,
Actually, I totally agree! Illegal is illegal and breaking the law is bad.
Of course every coin has two sides and it is wise to ensure there is both a heads and a tails before agreeing to the results of a coin toss.
That is the problem we have with the issue of illegal immigration today...Well, that is the problem with just about every issue we will ever face as a free society.
Politicians are cheating by having a two headed coin in one pocket and a two tailed coin in the other. The electorate (that's us) want to hear what we want to hear before giving up our precious vote. Since we are too stupid to read 1500 pages simply because it is 1500 pages and we are told by our politicians that that's too many pages to be forced to read (BTW they wrote it), the politicians make things simple for us by telling us what it says in 6 words or less. Kind of like flipping a coin. Heads they win, tails we loose and Vice Versa depending on what they want us to think.
Where do I begin? Government is not the solution, government is the problem. Well, that is unless it suits us as with the Arizona government solution. In that case we need more government solutions. But, when it comes to Obamacare or anything Obama related, we demand the government stay out of the business of protecting us. Of course we loved to allow government intrusion into our most private communications when Bush said he needed to listen in for our protection. I suppose nothing will ever make us safe because somewhere along the way, Americans drew a line in the sand and half of you ran to the left, the other half ran to the right and both sides brag that they have the majority. I prefer to maintain my freedom so I refuse to play that game. I think it is called Divide and Conquer where the pit left vs right, rich vs poor, strong vs weak, light vs dark...etc...
That is about as Fair and Balanced as I can get so please don't tell me that I'm taking one side or the other because I read all 1500 pages. Front and back. I see there is good in evil and evil in good depending on how you look at things. I'm glad to see you do too.
July 4, 2010 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I don't know if anyone noticed but the gazette has added a new icon to the forums called reader topics. If you click on it, you get to start your own discussion's. Happy 4th of July! I know it's not cinco de mayo or anything important like that but Happy 4th of July anyway. Hope you all keep your fuses dry.
July 4, 2010 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
And don't forget that those who screamed and yelled about less government are also the ones who screamed " drill baby drill." Now those same ones are demanding to know "What is the government doing about the gulf spill?" "What took the government so long to respond?" "Why can't we have ships from other nations help us?"
It's not only that they want help from their own government, they want help from everybody else's governments too.
BTW, REWBA, you got me on the 1500 page roofing contract. Now I know what you meant. Hell of a ruse.
July 4, 2010 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
4 FELIZ DE julio
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July 4, 2010 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Brochure - Welcome to the United States: A Guide for New Immigrants (English Version) (749KB PDF)
To become a citizen, you must be willing to swear your
loyalty to the United States. You must give up your allegiance
to any other country. You must agree to support
and defend the U.S. Constitution. When you become a
citizen, you accept all of the responsibilities of being an
American. In return, you get certain rights and privileges
of citizenship.
Why Become a U.S. Citizen?
Permanent residents have most of the rights of U.S. citizens.
But there are many important reasons to consider
becoming a U.S. citizen. Here are some good reasons:
• Showing your patriotism. Becoming a citizen is a way
to demonstrate your commitment to your new country.
• Voting. Only citizens can vote in federal elections.
Most states also restrict the right to vote, in most
elections, to U.S. citizens.
• Serving on a jury. Only U.S. citizens can serve on a
federal jury. Most states also restrict jury service to
U.S. citizens. Serving on a jury is an important
responsibility for U.S. citizens.
Now, having read this, requirements for an immigrant to become a " U.S. CITIZEN " . How many of the illegal immigrants do you think really want to swear loyality to the U.S. and give up their allegiance to their country, becuse if they do, in doing so they will have to start paying their fair share of income tax, social security, medicare, etc., just like the rest of the legal U.S. citizens have to do . Why would they want to do that ? When they are now getting free education, free public health care, don' t have to pay income tax, because their pay is not reported by their employer, get food stamps, cash assistance, etc., etc.. And there are approx. 12 million of them that are getting a basically free ride, compliments of the U.S. government and legal taxpaying citizens, some of who don' t care to demand the govt. put a stop to the raping of the U.S. and its legal taxpaying citizens.
I salute and commend Arizona and any and all states who have the courage to step up and say, " enough is enough " and are willing to do something about a growing and festering problem .
July 4, 2010 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
As a side note. How many people, really believe that the largest retail company in the world didn' t know that they were hiring illegal immigrants ?
And how many people believe that an $11 million dollar fine is going to force this retail company to cease the practice of hiring illegal immigrants ?
July 4, 2010 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
C'mon Steve,
English please.
Happy 4th of July to you too.
July 4, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
President Obama want's to sign Immigration Reform into law. The problem he has is Congress doesn't want to send him a bill to sign until after the upcoming elections. The Republicans blame the Democrats claiming that they want the Hispanic vote. The Democrats blame the Republicans claiming that they want the Tea Party vote. The fact of the matter is neither the Republicans and the Democrats running for elected office will go on record stating exactly what they will or will not do regarding Immigration Reform. Both Parties use really vague language when speaking on this issue because both sides want to have their cake and eat it too.
When I was a kid, (about 8 years old), I screwed up and left the barn door open as I did my chores. When I returned there was about 50 sheep inside the barn eating the feed and about 70 more outside trying to get in the barn door. I tried to push the sheep out but as I would get 10 out, 10 more came right in. I shut the door but then I couldn't get any out. I tried tossing some feed outside to lure them out but that didn't work so well. I finally gave up and ignored the problem. The next day my grandpa was angry because there was a bunch of dead sheep in the barn. They couldn't force themselves to stop eating and just bloated up and died. I really don't know what can be learned from this lesson, but I'll never forget it.
July 4, 2010 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Meth, I really didn't expect you to understand it.
July 4, 2010 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Sure, I was partly to blame for leaving the door open. But, grandpa was the one who chose to have easy access to the grain by storing it in an uncontrolled location. Today, I keep the grain secured inside the barn and I keep the door shut. Yeah, sometimes a sheep will get in but when it discovers that it can't get to the feed, it just departs out the same way it got in.
Politicians want us to believe that if we just keep the door shut, all our illegal immigration problems will go away. Others believe that the solution is to secure the prize and the illegals will have no reason to come through the gate. I believe that the solution isn't that simple and that we must do a little of both. Keep the door as secure as practical and to keep the grain out of reach as best we can. Sheep might stray inside the barn but they will soon discover that there is nothing to be gained and go back to where they belong.
July 4, 2010 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
irishemporia,
I have re-read your post several times and still cannot understand why you would say something like, " I believe that the Constitution protects the legal, even if they are non-Caucasians." , and yet still believe that an illegal, undocumented alien/immigrant is afforded the same protections under the Constitution as a legal, naturalized citizen of the U.S.
Please read and try understand the following,
Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.h...
The key words in this Amendment are persons, born, naturalized, subject to the jurisdiction there of, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
There is no mention in the Constitution about whether an illegal immigrant/alien who is/was not born in the U.S. or a legally naturalized citizen of the U.S. is afforded the same protections under the Constitution or any of the Amendments as a " LEGAL CITIZEN " of the U.S. .
As I see it, if the FED is not going to satisfactorily enforce the illegal immigration/immigrant laws, then the States themselves have the obligation and Duty to do so .
July 4, 2010 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
All the sheep talk is a bunch of sheep droppings and it is very demeaning to the people who are choosing to use their free will to go to great lengths to break this country's laws. These are intelligent people who plan, sometimes for years, on how they can break our laws and not get caught. They are not dumb animals that just accidentally wondered into the wrong place because they smelled some good food. Nope, they know what they are doing is illegal and they just do not care. I honestly do understand why they want to come here as I have stated before but what is bothersome is what other laws will they be willing to break in order to pursue a better life for themselves? What if a group of them feels that gang raping my daughter would bring them much joy and thus a better life, is that cool? Is that cool with you? We certainly can't tell them that it is wrong because we've pretty much already told them that breaking the law is ok as long as it's in the name of pursuing a better life for yourself. Perhaps you people that blame the corporations that hire them would blame my daughter for being too pretty. Is that it? HUH?
July 4, 2010 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
The Statue of Liberty still stands today on an island in a harbor off the shores of New York. And graven on a tablet within the pedestal on which the statue stands is a poem written by Emma Lazarus entitled "The New Colossus" Read the words and tell me, does this resemble America today?
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
July 4, 2010 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
In recent years, what used to be called the Imigration and Naturalization Service has been reorganized. It is now U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. What used to be a bureau for immigration to the US is now the law enforcement agency designed to keep people out. In addition, several immigration bills currently under consideration in Congress would pour billions into sealing our borders, particularly the border with Mexico. It could not be clearer that the U.S. does not want anyone's "huddled masses," "wretched refuse," "homeless," or "tempest-tossed," no matter what they yearn for.
The Statue of Liberty is an anachronism in America today. We remain by far the world's most prosperous nation and, for a few more years, probably, the freeest nation. The cry of the French Revolution, "Liberté, égalité, fraternité," however, is now only history in the U.S., it is no longer official policy. Just as it took the populace of western nations to understand that we should not support repressive dictators throughout the Third World, you might want to take a look at what is going on in real US policy, law, and real American popular sentiment, lest you make the mistake of celebrating a repressive dictatorship in the New World.
July 4, 2010 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
So you believe that gangs should be free to gang rape my 5 year old daughter? Is that the kind of freedom you yearn for? A certain amount of laws are necessary to see to it that freedom survives and the country thrives. With no laws we wouldn't be free to travel very far from our homes and families because we would have to protect them from you and your lawless "free" friends from raping them and taking whatever you want from me and burning what is left. I don't want a dictatorship. I want a republic and to keep one there must be laws and enforcement.
http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/
July 4, 2010 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
All I've got is two cents and a plug nickel.
July 4, 2010 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
arminius, "How on earth are we going to pay to depopulate our country of 12 million people?"
What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.
I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.
Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the
deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American
citizens that desperately needed work..
Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans'.
And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
Mexican Nationals! The program was called
'Operation Wetback'. It was
done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.
It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
Now...if they could deport the illegal's back then - they could sure do it today.
lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself..
Reminder:
Don't forget to pay your taxes...
12 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!
And meanwhile 9.9% of (legal) Americans are out of work.
July 4, 2010 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
From:
"David LaBonte"
Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:
Dear Editor:
So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.
Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people
like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept
this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when
there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the
United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a
long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get
down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made
a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in
good and bad times. They made learning English a primary
rule in their new American households and some even changed
their names to blend in with their new home.
They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their
children a new life and did everything in their power to
help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was
handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws
to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.
Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out.
My father fought along side men whose parents had come
straight over from Germany , Italy , France and Japan . None
of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought
about what country their parents had come from. They were
Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of
Japan . They were defending the United States of America as
one people.
When we liberated France , no one in those villages were looking
for the French-American or the German American or the Irish
American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we
carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of
those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up
another country's flag and waving it to represent who they
were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had
sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew
what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting
pot into one red, white and blue bowl.
July 4, 2010 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
From:
"David LaBonte"
Con't.
And here we are with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same
rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by
playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the
entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their
mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American
is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on
Ellis Island in the early 1900's deserve better than that
for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future
generations to create a land that has become a beacon for
those legally searching for a better life. I think they
would be appalled that they are being used as an example by
those waving foreign country flags.
(signed)
Rosemary LaBonte
July 4, 2010 at 4:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA
One thing you forgot to add to your penney and plug nickel." Common Sense. "
As for the Statue of Liberty and the inscription on the Statue of Liberty which reads,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
This inscription says nothing about coming to the U.S. illegally or breaking any laws to enter or come to the U.S..
The inscription Does not say,
Give me your criminals,
Your huddled immigrant masses, who are welcome to come here " illegally ",
Send these the law breakers to me,
I lift my lamp by the golden door
July 4, 2010 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
rabblerouser
Thank you for that letter from David Labonte. It is to the very point being discussed here and very well authored.
Again, thank you for sharing it with us.
July 4, 2010 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
rabble rouser, thank you. That was worth reading. I've copied it too and will keep it on file. Very stirring.
July 4, 2010 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
"Sheep might stray inside the barn but they will soon discover that there is nothing to be gained and go back to where they belong"
I'm with seriously on this matter. Those sheep know damn well there is grain there and one way or another, they will figure out how to get it. They will not be satisfied with going back to where they belong once they know there is grain to be had.
Those sheep aren't stupid. Perhaps one of those "sheep" will learn how to make a fake identification card or driver's license or steal a social security card and he'll share it with the others who will band with him to make more. They will turn it into a business and charge other sheep for those secret ways to get more grain. Once that happens, and those cards are honored, nothing will stop them. For every sheep caught and slaughtered, ten others have learned how to cheat the farmer and his family. Why? Because the grain is that good. Going back to where they belong means eating scrub grass. Who wants that when there's prime grain?
July 4, 2010 at 5:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dalelinn (Dale Linn) says...
I am somewhat amazed that HenryVIII had to ask "Jim" how the illegals had impacted his life. There are numerouse fronts that could be addressed, but I am going to confront one. Health Care. Illegal immigration is a major cause of high health care costs.
"A study by the RAND Corporation found that $1.1 billion in public money went to providing non-elderly healthcare for illegal immigrants in 2000. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that border states incurred $190 million in emergency healthcare costs for illegal immigrants in 2000. But these figures are paltry compared to the $88 billion the government spent for non-elderly healthcare overall. It should be mentioned that FAIR publicly came out against the RAND findings with estimates of their own that put the costs to California alone at $1.5 billion."
"It is important to note that most services provided to illegal immigrants are funded by local and state governments, yet any taxes they pay will likely end up in the federal treasury - the Department of Education estimates that 90% of education costs will come from non-federal sources. For some states that means huge costs offset by very little revenue." These facts are just the tip of the iceburt.
Illegal alien health care is just one of the burderns borne by the taxpayer. There are 3 major reasons our country is headed for disaster: 1.steady economic drain of war. 2.transfer of our manufacturing out of our country 3. astronomical costs of illegal aliens
July 4, 2010 at 5:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Tell me about it create. I don't disagree with you at all.
You do open a can of worms though. If fake I.D.'s are so easy to get, and so hard to distinguish from real ones, what makes yours and mine so valid? Is it because ours is real or are ours just good forgeries? How can Obama prove his birth certificate is real to people who are convinced it's a fake? If we cannot trust the citizenship documents of the President of the United States then what good will it do for a Hispanic American to present his U.S. Birth Certificate to an Arizona State Trooper?
Immigration is a NATIONAL issue. Yes, some individual states are effected more than others but having all the illegals flee Arizona into other states is not much different than say...Emptying Kansas' Prisons by giving each inmate a one way ticket to Phoenix, Arizona so that Kansans can save some money and lower crime.
Like I said earlier, all I got is 2 cents and a plug nickle so congress won't listen to my ideas. They have their hands in deeper pockets and as long as companies who use illegal labor to increase profits contribute to campaigns, we will continue to see Mexican flags proudly displayed in towns like Emporia, Kansas.
This issue is really complex and will require at least 3,000 double sided pages, single spaced printed in small font to even come close to making everyone happy. As we all know, that's too many pages for anyone in America to read, let alone understand. So, I guess we can feel good that we will have a controversial subject to argue over for decades to come.
July 4, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
dalelinn, It's not just health care. Kansas passed legislation back in 2004 allowing illegal aliens to pay in state tuition at Kansas' public colleges and universities. Children of Kansas' native born citizens have to compete with illegal immigrants and the children of illegal immigrants for class seats, financial aid and private scholarships. U.S. Citizens even have to compete with children of illegal aliens for Federal Student Aid.
It is laws like this one that makes me really cynical about any immigration law that might be passed by any state or even the feds. I do know that privately owned and operated prisons throughout the united states really like tougher sentences for illegals. It's about the money. Colleges and universities push for laws allowing in state tuition and financial aid for illegals. It's about the money. Hospitals and health care providers fight any moves to deny health care to illegals. It's about the money. Social service providers fight any move to restrict services to illegals. It's about the money. Corporate employers fight any attempts to make it easier to prove they knowingly hire illegals to cut labor costs. It's about the money. Americans screamed at the top of their lungs and congress decided spend our money to build a fence along the border between Mexico and the US but that is about the money too. We will pay for it but I doubt we will ever get it.
July 4, 2010 at 7:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks, There is one sure fired way to ensure that ONLY American Citizens would be able to prove without a reason of a doubt that they are eligible for work, housing, health care, education, food etc...
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Is this how he will causeth that to happen?
July 4, 2010 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I'll be caught up before that happens but I'll come back with the guy who will get everything straightened out.
July 4, 2010 at 10:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
It will not take a 3000 page, double sided, single spaced document to resolve the illegal immigrant problem.
However what it will take is a person sitting in the highest seat in the land, the presidency and a Congress that has the courage and lack of greed and corruption to cause the full, to the letter, meaningful enforcement of the current immigration laws and the enforcement, meeting, following of the requirements to immigrate to the U.S., as well as the enforcement of all of the Employer requirements for the hiring of immigrants and if that requires allowing the States to do the job, then that should be all well and good. Even if it comes down to building a " Great Wall Of Southwestern America " to stop the invading hordes of illegal immigrants and believe me it is an invading horde .
Just a point of interest, see the following, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38093155/... .
Question is, is this the kind of thing what we want escalating into the U.S., that is if it is not already in the U.S. ? Remember when, not so long ago, there were a number of people murdered right here in Emporia and some of these murders were over drugs, drug money or who knows what and were carried out by people/citizens not from Emporia or possibly even the U.S. and some of the victims and the perpetrators may not have even been legal U.S. citizens, who knows for sure .
Wake up people, this is a real and dangerous problem to you, me and to the U.S. as a country and needs to be taken care of/brought under control, before it gets any worse.
I should think that the President and Congress would be thrilled to have the help of the individual States to help with the problem, instead of trying to stop/sue the States who are actually the first line of defense against the problem.
Kinda makes me wonder why the President is so stauncly against the States involking their right to State Soverignty and Jurisdiction, religated to the States by the Constitution and the States Rights and bill of rights.
July 5, 2010 at 8:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
dalelinn makes an excellent point about health care being a huge drain. Let me add, that it's not just the public welfare system that loses, but private enterprise suffers too when doctors and hospitals experience huge losses.
The drain on the public health system was primarily my point when the Somali people were here and I was so vociferous about that issue. But I was called a racist and a fear mongerer for my concerns.
Ours isn't the only country suffering the problems involved with illegal immigration. One example is In Germany where they have similar problems with people from Turkey.
Sorry seriously and REWBA, that mark of the beast business really doesn't solve our problem. Please, let's not make this about religion again.
Let me make my position clear and simple. People who are here illegally need to go back.
Rabblerouser made it clear in his post when he spoke about how Hoover and Truman and Eisenhower handled it.
Many people want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Many of those guys coming home are reserves. What about their jobs?
July 5, 2010 at 8:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nks (anonymous) says...
I just love standing in line behind non-english speaking people (assuming illegals) and see them swipe the food card that OUR govt has allowed them to have. Then to watch them pull out a baseball sized wad of bills from their pocket to pay for their beer. Then to follow these "poor" souls" outside and watch them get into their $30,000 SUV flying the Mexican flag colors, without buckling in their children who by law are supposed to be in car seats. In the meantime I paid my hard earned money for my generic groceries and stepped into my 10 year old truck.
And you wonder why people have resentment???
July 5, 2010 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks for that link, methusla. My gosh, 2600 murders in El Paso last year!
We need to remember that I-35 is just off our front porch and it is used by the smugglers all the time. Our sheriff's department has caught many, but how many others come into town for a break from driving to eat or shop for a thing or two or to just hang around for awhile?
July 5, 2010 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
And the bad thing about this create, is the fact that when a deputy/law enforcement officer makes a stop, they have no idea what kind of weaponry or how many armed people may be in a vehicle, as most of these drug smugglers/trafficers have their windows tinted so dark you can' t see what is going on inside the vehicle.
But the really sad thing is, the fact that there are people in Emporia, who believe that Emporia is immune to the problems of the rest of the world and that
all of us who live in Emporia are living in a place called " Shangri - La " .
July 5, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Yeah, just raise my taxes another percent or two so that government bureaucrats that do nothing now can take a pay raise to do nothing even better.
If Tyson spends the $400-$800 to bring in a temporary worker from Mexico, that temporary worker is not illegal. If that temporary worker pays the $1000-$2000 fee and applies for permanent residence, it could take up to three years for the government to decide his case. Between the time that his temporary status expires and his permanent status is decided he is undocumented but not illegal. There are millions of undocumented, yet legal people here who have paid thousands of dollars in fees waiting for our government to make a decision on their application packet.
Our police personnel are trained to enforce laws but they are not lawyers. They have very little training in immigration law. That is why we ask them to refer immigration law questions to the INS for assistance.
It's not unlike the local sheriff requesting assistance with the unexploded bomb shell they discovered recently.
Ignorance and fear should never be mixed because nothing good can come of it. JMO
July 5, 2010 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Speaking of ignorance and fear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06VGv8...
July 5, 2010 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh, REWBA, your statement about Tyson bringing in a temporary worker from not only Mexico, but any country and that temporary worker not being illegal is just flat incorrect.
If Tyson or any other worker doesn' t do the following,
Employers must verify that an individual whom they plan to employ or continue to employ in the United States is authorized to accept employment in the United States. For more information about the employment authorization verification process, see the “About Form I-9 and E-Verify” link to the right.
sorce, http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
So you see if Tyson or any employer pays money to bring an immigrant, temporary or permanent worker into the U.S. and does not do the above, then that business and immigrant worker are both guilty of breaking the law. And that is " Illegal on the part of both the business and the immigrant. "
No, I am not an immigration lawyer, but I can read and somewhat comprehend what I read .
July 5, 2010 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Also, the following may be a point of interest to some.
Green Card Through a Job
Many people become permanent residents through a job or offer of employment. Some categories require a certification from the U.S. Department of Labor to show that there are not enough U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified, and available in the geographic area where the immigrant is to be employed and that no American workers are displaced by foreign workers. In other cases, highly skilled workers, those with extraordinary ability in certain professions, and investors/entrepreneurs are given priority to immigrate through several immigrant categories. In all cases, the process involves several steps.
After a Green Card is Granted
A green card is issued to all permanent residents as proof that they are authorized to live and work in the United States. If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times. Current green cards are valid for 10 years, or 2 years in the case of a conditional resident, and must be renewed before the card expires.
A green card can be used to prove employment eligibility in the United States when completing the Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. It can also be used to apply for a Social Security Card and a state issued driver’s license. A green card is valid for readmission to the United States after a trip abroad if you do not leave for longer than 1 year. If your trip will last longer than 1 year, a reentry permit is needed.
You have certain rights and responsibilities as a permanent resident. This section will give you a general idea of what these are and provide you with some other useful information related to your immigration status.
You may also wish to read Welcome to the United States: A Guide for New Immigrants, a guide (in English and 10 other languages) containing practical information to help immigrants settle into everyday life in the United States, as well as basic civics information that introduces new immigrants to the U.S. system of government (see the links to the right).
source, http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
I could go on, but visit the site and see what the laws are regarding legal immigration into the U.S.
July 5, 2010 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
My point in all this is. There are millions of illegal immigrants in the U.S. that have not immigrated legally, nor do they have the right nor permission to get, have or hold a job in the U.S. or entitled to any of the other benefits of those who have immigrated to the U.S. " LEGALLY ", are paying imcome taxes, as a U.S. legal U.S. citizen, who have become a U.S. citizen by going through the proper " LEGAL " proceedure.
To those who have immigrated to the U.S. in a legal manner and become " LEGAL " U.S. citizens and are paying taxes as the rest of the U.S. citizens do, I say to you, contratulations and welcome .
July 5, 2010 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
methusla, Please don't post a web sight and tell me how easy all this is because you haven't done it and I have. The process is expensive, time consuming, and frustrating. It cost me more than $5,000. and three years to get my wife's resident alien card and I am a native born U.S. Citizen who at the time was a U.S. Soldier stationed overseas with a legal priority.
If the process was demeaning for me, imagine how it is for a peasant looking for a job.
I have read your postings on this subject and would be willing to bet that 90% of every person you think is illegal actually has a visa to be here.
July 5, 2010 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I seriously doubt the process for getting here legally is more demeaning than paying and servicing a coyote.
July 5, 2010 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Subject: FW: Bill Cosby ideas for solving problems in USA
Bill Cosby has DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN THE YEAR 2012.....maybe.
HERE IS HIS PLATFORM:
(1). Any use of the phrase: 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned... English is the official language; speak it or wait outside of our borders until you can.
(2). We will immediately go into a two year isolationist attitude in order to straighten out the greedy big business posture in this country.... America will allow NO imports, and we'll do no exports.. We will use the 'Wal-Mart 's policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.' We'll make it here and sell it here!
(3). When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it coming in here.
(4). All retired military personnel will be required to man one of the many observation towers located on the southern border of the United States (six month tour). They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5). Social Security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. Neither the President nor any other politician will be able to touch it.
(6). Welfare. -- Checks will be handed out on Fridays, at the end of the 40 hour school week, the successful completion of a urinalysis test for drugs, and passing grades.
(7). Professional Athletes -- Steroids? The FIRST time you check positive you're banned from sports ... for life.
(8). One export of ours will be allowed: wheat; because the world needs to eat. However, a bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
(9). All foreign aid, using American taxpayer money, will immediately cease and the saved money will help to pay off the national debt and, ultimately, lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask The American People if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision as to whether, or not, it's a worthy cause.
(10). The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(11). The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
My apology is offered if I've stepped on anyone's toes .... nevertheless....
GOD BLESS AMERICA !
Sincerely, Bill Cosby
July 5, 2010 at 7:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA
I never said or even insinuated that it was an easy or cheap process. But it is the Lawful, Legal, required process for coming to, entering into or working in the the U.S., legally. And if what you say is fact I commend you and your wife for taking the steps to do the right and legal thing . I certainly hope your wife was worth the effort and expense. But that is the way the system works or is supposed to work. I fully realize that the process is expensive, time consuming and frustating, but nothing, worth having in life is either quick, free or easy nor do I believe that it is demeaning.
Just think, how demeaning to all those it must be, who took the time, spent the money, to become legal U.S. citizens.
Not to mention how demeaning it is to those legal U.S. citizens who are out of work and can find no work, because an illegal immigrant has the job instead. Have you ever been without a job for any length of time and could not find one because persons who may be an illegal immigrant have them. Well I have and for quite a while at one juncture, in my life.
I personally have worked jobs that even an illegal immigrant would not do and they were hard, physically demanding jobs, that even big, strong, physically fit college football players tried to do, but either would not or could not do and these jobs were in some of the worst conditions going. So don' t preach to me about demeaning, or jobs only illegal immigrants would/will do, because that is a very large load of crap.
July 5, 2010 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
methusla, I once left a very large load of crap in a small hole I dug with my entrenching tool in the rain at night in a triple canopy jungle next to the one of the 200 streams that feed the Shagress River somewhere in the Republic of Panama. Ever try to keep your toilet paper dry while holding an M-16? Talk about your jobs that illegals won't do....So...What's your point?
July 5, 2010 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Ever try to keep your toilet paper dry while holding an M-16?"
Yep.
July 5, 2010 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
rabblerouser,
I think it's cute how some people will believe everything that is sent to them via email.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbo...
This means you and your email friends are very gullible and lack good judgement. I bet you're a conservative who goes to church too.
'enry
July 5, 2010 at 10:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks will tell you that it's really not that hard since the accessory packet in he c-ration contains: coffee, creamer, sugar, salt, matches, chewing gum, a plastic spoon, and toilet paper. It's all in a plastic bag that will fit in your top shirt pocket. I learned to carry five elastic cords that could used with my poncho to make a nice dry roof. All anyone needed was a small tree in all four directions and a branch overhead, but in a jungle there are trees everywhere. Trust me, I know about these things.
July 5, 2010 at 10:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA
Panama ? That is a cake walk compared to the La Drang valley Vietnam, nicknamed " the valley of Death " or Pleiku . Noone had time to even worry about toilet paper or keeping anything dry .
Now, REWBA, having a pissing contest with you is not exactly staying on topic and neither is trying to prove who is the better man.
July 5, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I get off topic sometimes. I don't know why. I guess when the topic of discussion starts to hurt my head I get all PTSD and have flashbacks. Maybe it was your talk about a very large load of crap combined with rainy weather and the wife's bitching about the old white people who live in front of us allowing their grandchildren to shoot off fireworks. Hey, I thought that was illegal today! Too bad we can't deport those yahoos. I don't think Mexico would take them though.
July 5, 2010 at 11:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...
Rabblerouser,
Nice. Ohhhhh if only it were true. Mr. Cosby has always been one of my favorite comedians. He's also a very wise one. Unfortunately, he'd have to deal with our useless legislators to get anything done (and if it conflicts with their special interest groups and/or lobbyists, it won't happen). To sum it up, this country "needs an enema" (Jack Nicholson, as the Joker). :)
July 6, 2010 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Really want to make your head hurt, REWBA or anyone who may be interested ?
Well then, I suggest you take a look at the following info sites, that deal with illegal immigrant numbers, unemployment, etc.
Amnesty and Joblessness
Today, more than 15.4 million Americans are without a job and are actively looking for work. At the same time, estimates conclude that 8.3 million illegal aliens are part of America’s workforce despite their employment being a violation of U.S. law.
http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page...
And I will bet that most or all of the 8.3 million illegal immigrants, mentioned above, that have U.S. jobs have no visas, green cards or any other legal documentation of U.S. citizenship . If they did they would not be considered as " ILLEGAL ALIENS ".
How Obama is Transforming America Through Immigration, http://cis.org/Books/Obama-Transformi...
Europe's Lessons for America, http://www.cis.org/articles/1987/pape...
Would you like to see just how much money is leaving the U.S. via illegal immigrants and the population of illegal immigrants ? Then visit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_...
When you go to the above web page, after reading the info available, scroll down to the external links and click on the first [6] site and read the report for even more info or click on any of the links provided in this section. Very interesting info here.
I hate to keep harping, but this is a very important issue, especially for the future of the country as a whole and knowing who should be our elected representatives in government.
July 6, 2010 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA
I would bet that most or all of the 8.3 million " illegal aliens/immigrants " that are holding jobs in the U.S. have no legal documentation or permission to even be in the U.S., let alone have a job.
Just think, if these 8.3 million illegal aliens/immigrants had not taken jobs from " legal " U.S. citizens, the unemployment rate would be much lower than 10.2%, it would be around 4.4 % to 5%.
July 6, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
HenryVIII........Bite me!!!!
July 6, 2010 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
HenryVIII....I could very easily make snap judgements about you too!
Uninformed, uneducationed, dirtbag that attacks other people's posts because of your pathetic boring uneventful sorry excuse for a living organism life!
Yea, I could, but I will reserve judgement and wait for you to simply open your mouth and confirm my suspicians!
July 6, 2010 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
CATCH AN ILLEGAL TODAY....
It's time to American citizens to rise up against the number one problem in this country by rounding up all illegal immigrants and repatriate them back to their home countries.
You can't depend on the government anymore. Obama is flushing the U.S.A. down the toilet and he is not being stopped.
If the government can't help us, WE WILL DO THE JOB.
It is YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY to call one of these numbers which correspond to your local jurisdiction.
If you see illegal immigrants in these areas, here are the phone numbers:
San Francisco Field Office
Area of Responsibility: Northern California, Hawaii, Guam
630 Sansome Street, Rm 590
San Francisco, CA 94111
Phone: (415) 844-5512
New York Field Office
Area of Responsibility: The five boroughs (counties of NYC)
26 Federal Plaza, Rm. 1105
New York, NY 10278
Phone: (212) 264-4213
Phoenix Field Office
Area of Responsibility: Arizona
2035 N. Central Avenue
Phoenix, AZ 85004
Phone: (602) 766-7030
Los Angeles Field Office
Area of Responsibility: Los Angeles Metropolitan Area
300 North Los Angeles St., Room 7631A
Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: (213) 830-7911
Chicago Field Office
Area of Responsibility: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, Kansas
101 West Congress Parkway, Suite 4000
Chicago, Illinois 60605
Phone: (312) 347-2400
The future of your country depends on you making these calls.
PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS MESSAGE TO LET ALL CITIZENS KNOW ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IN AMERICA.
Thank you and happy hunting.
July 6, 2010 at 6:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Rabble: If I see an illegal immigrant? How will I know they are an illegal immigrant? Will they be carrying a sign? What is the secret to spotting an illegal immigrant? Educate me, Rabble. Please?
July 6, 2010 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
By the way, for those of you fond of quoting fairus.org, you might want to take a look at their inner-workings and sources of funding...
July 6, 2010 at 9:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
The same for CIS...
July 6, 2010 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Is anyones funding legitimate and above reproach ? I kinda doubt it.
July 6, 2010 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
irishemporia,
Does where the CIS or Fairus.org or any organization get their funding make the information they put forth any less credible ? What about the PEW hispanic center, there info and numbers on illegal immigration almost exactly parallels that of the CIS and Fairus.org .
What about the CImonitor ( Christian Science Monitor ) almost identical info ?
What about US IMMIGRATION SUPPORT, is their info questionable because of funding ? Identical Info as the rest of the info mills.
How about the DHS ( Department of Homeland Security ? Their numbers and info are right in line with the rest of the info from various organizations.
I could list other agencies both government and private that have almost the same exact info and numbers . Is everyone wrong or suspect to you ?
Hell, even funding ( campaign contributions ) for elected officials, such as Presidents, Congressmen/women, etc., is not all above board and beyond reproach. So irish, what exactly is your point, other than not wanting to admit that someone else may be " Right " other than you ?
July 6, 2010 at 10:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
Come on people ,ask yourself ,why does Washington allow the invasion of our boarders, why does Washinton fight ARIZONA TRYING to protect its boarder.
July 6, 2010 at 11:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Meth, are you telling me that money doesn't buy allegiance?
July 6, 2010 at 11:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
The American indians had a bad imagration policy too.
July 6, 2010 at 11:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
By the way, Meth, considering your track record on this and other issues, I doubt anyone is buying your statements regarding YOUR comparison of the numbers. Try again. You've got a lot of work ahead of you to improve your credibility.
July 6, 2010 at 11:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
The American Indians WERE the first immigrants.
July 6, 2010 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
irishemporia...Two years ago my pickup was totaled by a person who did not speak english, had an interpreter to talk to the police, had a Mexico driver license, admitted to being here 3 years, was driving a vehicle titled to a legal resident, tagged by a legal resident, and insured by a legal resident for him because he couldn't. He was speeding through a 10 mph zone in a trailer park with children. My daughter was driving and because she was backing out of the trailer parking, she was issued the only ticket. The officer could not ask him if he was here legally and only tipped his hand to his mouth to ask him if he had been drinking, Did'nt give him a test to see if he had been drinking. My daughter was not seriously injured and was lucky. This person would have been a good subject for the officer to have the ability to ask for legal papers. He is still driving the same vehicle today, with an illegal license!
July 7, 2010 at 7:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
All human beings are related by blood and we all come from the same place. Planet earth is our home and it is the only one we have. Some people like to forget that fact and act as if they have some sort of divine right to treat a fellow human as inferior. Yes, they claim national pride, patriotic rights, nationalism and every other excuse they can think of to back their rhetoric but few will take an oath and endure the training to wear a uniform and take up arms in defense of this spot on our small planet.
We don't have an illegal immigrant problem. We just have too many big mouths with small brains decrying war from the safety of their living room. Armchair warriors is what I call them. Wussies with a capitol P.
July 7, 2010 at 7:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh my, irish, exactly what is your not so sterling track on these forums and posts. Let me see, could it be one of attacks, degradidation, insults, antagonism, little in the way of verifyable facts and truisms .
Keep up the good work irish, everone is beginning to see you, for what you really are .
July 7, 2010 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...
rabble,
I had a somewhat similar situation about 2 years ago. At that time I used to carpool from the Flint Hills Mall. We would leave our vehicle there and carpool to work. We returned one day, only to find my truck had been t-boned. Luckily, the culprit damaged his truck so bad he couldn't leave the scene. Unfortunately, however, he was Hispanic, uninsured, the truck he was driving wasn't registered in his name and it turned out the address he provided to the police was false. When he realized I was planning on pressing charges, he offered to pay for the damages to the truck, directly to Thurstons. I didn't press charges (regretfully now) and he stiffed Thurstons. I'm watching the news. I personally hope Arizona wins their case!
Nice bit of information above by the way, meth. I'm gathering as much info as I can on the incumbents (the crap they're putting out on television ads is just that-crap). More voters really need to know the truth about these "politicians" and "fire" the ones that have been sitting back and doing nothing but pointing fingers, keeping their special interest groups/lobbyists happy (and their pockets full in the process) and not supporting the American majority (working middle class, LEGAL American citizens) for the last 10 to 15 years (the time period that unemployment, the housing market and the economy has been declining).
July 7, 2010 at 8:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
I was rear-ended by a guy with no insurance once. He was light-skinned, spoke English, and the car was registered in his name. I still suspect he was an illegal immigrant, however, because he did me harm and he didn't have any auto insurance. Only illegals could get away with something like that; never a real citizen! I think we need to create a law that allows the cops to deport white guys with mullets because (from my one-time experience) they are all poor drivers with no insurance and therefore illegal immigrants.
You people are all racist buffoons. Get over yourselves, my cracker brethren. Whiteys are just as capable of wrongdoing as our brown brothers.
'enry
July 7, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Whiteys are just as capable of wrongdoing as our brown brothers."
True, but people don't get on here , other forums and, the really real world and defend their(whitey) illegal activity. People don't say"Oh you just don't like their illegal behavior because they are white. You must be racist." This doesn't happen when a honky commits a crime. When a cracka breaks the law everyone expects that they prosecuted and rightly so. I personally think that laws should be enforced equally across the board. No special treatment because of your race. Like those Russian "spys" that they found are here illegally and have fake identities, is any one defending them and their illegal activity? NO! I say, prosecute those melanin challenged individuals and send 'em packin' or worse.
Fair is fair.
FAIR IS FAIR!
July 7, 2010 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chrissylynn_2 (anonymous) says...
legend of billie jean? fair is fair.
July 7, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh, and by the way irish, money does buy allegiances ... that is the problem with America of today, but are you saying that allegiances ... whether bought by money or other means, that this absolutely makes the information of organizations, etc., without a doubt, less credible ? And if a number of different organizations have almost the same identical facts, information, etc., does that also make their information less credible, even if they are getting funds from anyone, even from those who may not have exactly sterling reputations?
July 7, 2010 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...
'entry, "my cracker brethren",
1.I have nothing against Hispanics. Matter of fact I know quite a few, that are LEGAL American citizens.
2.I happen to know that the individual that t-boned me was an ILLEGAL, because when I did a follow-up with the police, they told me so (most likely the reason he was uninsured, had no "official" address and the vehicle wasn't registered in his name). Stop reading between the lines. The problem is ILLEGAL immigration (not race).
July 7, 2010 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Too many people have turned this into a race war. It has nothing to do with race or country of origin or color. If a person is here in the U.S. and has no documentation to prove citizenship, then no matter what their color or nation of origin, they are breaking the law and should be deported.
Unfortunately, the human rights organizations are getting involved with this huge argument saying that hispanics contribute more to this country than they withdraw and should therefore not be hounded. Still, it all boils down to the law itself. Hispanics or any other racial/national extraction, if they are here illegally, they are breaking the law. Nothing complex about it.
July 7, 2010 at 11:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Race, Discrimination, Hatred, Bigotry, BULLSH**!!! Sorry for the blunt language, and feel free to post all the quotes from researchers around the globe, but the truth here is not complex in the slightest. If you are here illegaly, you have no say in any action you do, say, hear, touch, or even think about. You shouldnt be here, you shouldnt buy here. If I snuck into the Mexican border, I would be prosecuted to the full extent of Mexico law. If I snuck into France i would be prosecuted. If i snuck into China i would defenitely be prosecuted if not killed. Not a crack on China but they are that dedicated.
Im not a big fan of fear control when it comes to government but this is one case where they should definitely be the big, bad, boogeyman to ALL illegal immigrants. Now we get the whining comment, "They do the jobs that Americans wont do!" I answer again BS! They do the job because companies wont hire legals to do the job because we demand pay. I have worked manufacturing to fastfood, to retail, to steel work, to yard work. see the connection here? i worked for whoever would pay. Sad fact is ladies and gents, government wont do a thing without a contributor kissing their duff and offering them a "compaign contribution" for their "time and effort". Illegals are here because this country is so turned around that if a legal citizen tried to send them back, the whiners would form a comittee and label you a racist. The People are the ones that need to say enough is enough.
America for Americans!
July 7, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
Sorry create i kind of skipped over your comment by mistake are realized you are much nicer about it than i. lol
July 7, 2010 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
romano1784 (anonymous) says...
And you are right, too many commitees are saying that illegals being here does more harm than good. Even if it were true, which no statistic in the world can convince me that breaking the law is better than not, it wouldnt take much time for legal citizens to make up the difference. I have posted before that if you came here legally, then WELCOME! We are glad to have you. If you came here illegaly, WELCOME, we are glad to show you the DOOR!
America for Americans!
July 7, 2010 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
One question, REWBA, have you, did you or are you presently, putting on a uniform, taken up a weapon, placed your life on the line and defended this little spot in the world or any other little world spot, someone thought was worth definding, whether it actually was or not ?
If you have, are or did, then I thank you fellow defender. If not then quit blowing smoke up everyones' " Arse " !
July 7, 2010 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
You tell 'em, methusla! Only veterans matter in this country! Everyone else is worthless and nothing they say matters!
'enry
(for those who don't know me these are not really my beliefs)
July 7, 2010 at 3:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
One thing enry, if it were not for veterans, who have fought and died so your rights would still be your " Rights " and your " Freedom " , that you hold so dear, who knows what language, freedoms and rights you would have today. You may not be Free nor you may not be able to log onto a forum and sound off as you do. I did not say, that only veterans matter in this country, but veterans do and should recieve more respect than you show toward veterans and your disdain for veterans and what they have done for you and this country is totally uncalled for and asinine .
July 7, 2010 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh and enry, if the comments you make on this forum were really not your beliefs, then why make them, doing that is also asinine. Therefore I firmly believe that every comment you make on these forums is what you believe.
July 7, 2010 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
methusla, My DD214 says I was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge. Is that good enough for you my brother?
July 7, 2010 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
With that said, The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not provide for, and does not allow for, degrees of citizenship based on length of residence. It is equally clear that the Clause does not tolerate a hierarchy of 45 subclasses of similarly situated citizens based on the location of their prior residence. The protection afforded to the citizen by the Citizenship Clause of that Amendment is a limitation on the powers of the National Government as well as the States. A citizen should not have their rights diminished as their skin color darkens.
July 7, 2010 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Good enough bro.. My DD 214 says that I was awarded 2 galantry cross unit citations/w ribbon and a purple heart. For service at the battle of La Drang and Pleiku . And thanks again for your service and sacrifice and the same to all who have served this country and its people . And may all who are now serving and fighting in foreign lands return safely and proudly to America and their loved ones, God bless and watch over you all .
July 7, 2010 at 5:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
FarmRaised,
A DD 214 is a form issued to all service personal who are being discharged or seperated from military service. The form lists the veterans condition of discharge such as Honorable, Dishonorable, bad conduct, etc., as well as any medals, badges, citations, etc. the veteran may have recieved while in the service, as well as unit they served with, etc.. In short it is their discharge or seperation papers.
July 7, 2010 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Interesting turn the conversation took. My DD214 is registered with the county clerk like they told me to do when I got out. With all the talk about medals and such I was thinking about how U.S. citizenship is like the greatest honor one can receive on this rock. Most people on here seem to agree with 'enry that a person shouldn't be given any special gratitude or anything for their military service, I tend to disagree. His and perhaps your opinion on that does make it easier for me to understand why so many people think that being here illegally is A OK. Soon(this is my prediction) people that are here illegally will get "amnesty" and be rewarded with citizenship. They break the law and will get the highest honor for it. What about law abiding citizens? How will they be rewarded for their good behavior? Oh! They won't. That seems weird to a guy like me. See I think that if anyone is to be rewarded it probably ought to be the dudes and dudetttes that are doing the right thing. However to those that see absolutely no distinction between a crack dealer and decorated military veteran, I guess rewarding a criminal with the highest honor makes some sort of sense. I still just don't see the logic in it but there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. The criminals will get their pardon and reward. The border will remain very easy to get across illegally. We will forget about all this and in 20 years, if the U.S. remains, we will go through this again and a new set of criminals will get their pardon and reward. It all just makes me ponder why I even try to do the right thing and obey the laws ..... oh yeah ..... I have a conscience.
Seriously R. Folks- a loyal soldier with nothing to show for it.
July 8, 2010 at 12:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
a interesting link for those who like to use the race card.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfr...
July 8, 2010 at 6:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks,
I absolutely agree with your, good, heart felt comment. I sincerely hope you didn' t think I was agreeing with enry, about vets not deserving any thanks or gratitude for there service to the people or their country. As far as any " honors " bestowed upon me while serving, I did not want them, as I felt that those who paid the ultimate price, protecting me and their fellow combatants deserved the honors much more than I . I am also somewhat saddened that you think you, as a loyal soldier have nothing to show for it.
seriously, you do have something to show for it, you have the memories and experiences, both good and bad, not to mention the friends, buddies, comrades and brothers in arms that you made while serving as a loyal Soldier, Sailor, AirMan, Marine, Wave, Wac, whether man or woman, whatever you were called. So my friend and fellow warrior, hold your head high and always be proud of your service to the people and your country and above all, always be proud to be a " Legal " , upstanding, law abiding American citizen .
July 8, 2010 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Seriously, you have everything to show for having been a loyal soldier. Everything. You have me and your fellow citizens who owe you a debt of gratitude for their own freedoms and opportunities abound.
Then there's personal pride for having done the right thing. Just to name one of many, your children can go to school without fear.
Best of all, you're alive to benefit from your own service. My husband, Vietnam veteran and holder of the Distinguished Flying Cross, is dead. Semper Fidelis! You benefit from his service.
Please don't say you have nothing to show for it.
July 8, 2010 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Steve,
Excellent post and web site. Everyone could learn something from this.
July 8, 2010 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
Great post Steve, wish all those who follow laaaa raaaaazzzzza, and those who believe in the plan of San Diego felt the same. My outrage is that WASHINGTON will not address the problem,while letting communities become battlegrounds for hate.For what ,VOTES that the demmms will gain.
July 8, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I appologize to all for going off topic for a bit and will try to stay on topic .
July 8, 2010 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create
I was not a marine, but I would like to give you and your late, no doubt proud marine husband, a heart felt thanks, a " Semper Fi " and an " OOHRAH " .
July 8, 2010 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks methusla. Nuff said.
Now to get this back on topic, I would like to say that there are men serving in Iraq and Afghanistan now who did not start out as legal citizens. In exchange for their service in a theatre of war -- correct me if I'm wrong -- but I do believe they will receive citizenship. What makes this complex is if they have parents who are illegal, those people do not benefit.
July 8, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I wasn't necessarily saying I have nothing to show for my military service. I was saying that I'm a loyal soldier still, even though I am not in the service anymore, by doing the right thing for this country by obeying the laws and being a good citizen as I know most of you do as well. I thank you all for your service to this country in that regard. What upsets me is that this criminal element will get rewarded for their bad behavior and we will get nothing extra for our good behavior. No bonus for us. It is a slap in the face for us who get up everyday and decide to obey the law. A big ol' slap right in the face.
July 8, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
I understand now, seriously.
July 8, 2010 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
Reggie, same thing for those of us who work many hours, pay our bills on time, pay our taxes etc trying to support ourself, but are turned away when applying for financial aid, help to send our kids to college because we are the wrong color and actually work for a living. Know what you mean about no recognition or reward for doing the right thing.
Thank you and all veterans for your service.
July 8, 2010 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Take a look at the following info, http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/..., and ask yourself, after reading the story, if doing nothing about the illegal immigration problem is or will make this situation worse or better. Or for that matter if allowing illegal immigrants to recieve public health care or food stamps or government subsidized housing, will make this situation better ? I call it government subsidized housing, that the taxpayers are paying for because, didn' t the Banks and Big Mortgage companies make house loans on the cuff so to speak, even to illegal immigrants, who then eventually defaulted on the loans, and the Fed ended up bailing these greed mongers out ? What about the companies or businesses being allowed to hire illegal immigrants, without deducting income tax from their, mostly under the table pay, will make this situation better ? Will allowing the illegal immigrants, who hold and get paid for a job they have, illegally and are sending billions of dollars home to their country is making this situation better ? Read the news story and think about just how much the illegal immigrants, who are in this country illegally, have to do with the escalating Federal Government debt ! Also think about how the corrupt, incompetent, greedy, so called " peoples representatives " whom you/we elected, to look out for our interests and do what is best for all of us " legal " , taxpaying, American citizens also contributed to the escalating Government Debt, that we taxpayers will end up paying for.
Oh and did any one see the Presidents speech this afternoon ? What a crock of horse puckey . I am beginning to think the man, congress and all politicians are completely disassociated with the real problems of America and just don' t give a " flying rats arse " about any of it.
July 8, 2010 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
note:
In my comment, above, about the housing loan fiasco. I did not mean to lay the whole thing on illegal immigrants.
Yes, there are legal citizens who are just as much to blame, I realize that. Sorry, my thoughts and fingers were not totally in sync when I was typing the above comments. Sorry .
July 8, 2010 at 2:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
nutsaboutools (anonymous) says...
neighbor,
You are sooooooo right. When we applied for "assistance" to enter my first 2 children in college, they said "my income is too high to qualify".
We recently tried to refinance our house to pay off some major outstanding debt (I was unemployed for about a year and used up everything we had saved). They initially turned us down, why, because I "don't make enough" (something to do with a debt to income ratio being too high).
When we go to register the remaining children for the next school year, do you think I qualify to go in the line to get reduced fees, not! (I "make too much").
July 8, 2010 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
nutsaboutools,
Do you suppose that, if all of the illegal immigrants who are receiving taxpayer funded public assistance, would have to count the public assistance they receive as income as well as their illegal, under the table wages, they too may possibly make to much to get taxpayer funded public assistance, such as, free public health, education, etc., etc. ?
July 8, 2010 at 9:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I like lettuce. It goes great with salad and it adds a little texture and crunch to a sandwich. I grow my own lettuce during this time of year but when it gets cold out I just buy lettuce in the store. That lettuce comes from California and Arizona. The people who pick the lettuce are primarily illegal migrant workers. Once the harvest is completed in California, these workers usually travel to Arizona to begin the harvest there. This year, the migrant workers are worried about Arizona's new law and they are talking about just not going to Arizona to pick the lettuce there. If that happens there will be a lettuce shortage this winter. I suppose the price of lettuce will go as high as five dollars a head. Now you might not think that lettuce is important but people who work in salad dressing factories are watching these developments with worried eyes.
July 9, 2010 at 7:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA
If you factor in what those same illegal immigrants are costing the taxpayers in the way of increased taxes to pay for the taxpayer funded, government entitlements, such as public health, SRS benefits, free public education, government funded education grants, etc., what do you suppose that head of lettuce, that bunch of radishes, those cucumbers, watermelons , cantalope, etc. is costing or will cost you in the future ? You know REWBA, even cheap labor costs someone more in the long run and that cost is/will be more than you think.
I suppose, using your logic, if there were more low paid illegal immigrants working in the oil and refining industry or the auto industry or any industry the prices of that particular industrys' product would be cheaper ! You had better think again. For instance China has one of the lowest paid labor forces in the world and yet the products coming from China are some of the cheapest made products in the world and yet most of these products are not that much lower in price than any other product and if they are lower in price ... they usually end up being junk.
No, REWBA, plain old greed, fraud, lawlessness and lack of action in the way of enforcement of the laws, such as the immigration laws are the cause of this Nations problems .
July 9, 2010 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Another big problem, that can' t seem to be solved, is the disparity in the Balance of Trade. That is the U.S. is importing more goods than is being exported . And yet there is no interest in stopping the illegal immigrant from entering into the U.S., for the purpose of seeking a job, etc., that should be given to a " legal " U.S. citizen or defrauding the governments entitlement programs and not paying income tax, while being here illegally and exporting billions of dollars to their native countrys' .
This Nations' government and a lot of people in this Nation had better wake up and wake up quickly before it is too late to do anything about this nations serious problems.
You may call me " racist " a " bigot " , etc.. But as I have said before, if you or anyone is in the the U.S. " legally ", no matter your race, color of skin, etc., I say to you , welcome, but if you are here in this country illegally, don' t expect me to welcome you with open arms.
And when the U.S. government turns against its own States and people ... in favor of the illegal immigrants ! Well that is a " SAD " day in American and for Americans, indeed .
July 9, 2010 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Remember that many of those agricultural workers have green cards through their employers. Yes, I realize that many do not. Still, even though I believe firmly that people here illegally are breaking the law and should be deported, I also believe that it is inhumane to take advantage of these workers by paying them a lower wage just because they are here illegally. That is usury. IBP got into trouble for that years ago.
I found this site interesting with regard to who is eligible for green cards or visas.
http://www.visapro.com/green-cards.asp
July 9, 2010 at 8:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create,
If you want to find out the real " skinney " on what is required of Employers of foreign nationals/immigrants and the foreign nationals themselves to be able to hire or work lin the U.S. go to the following site. But be warned, it is a large site and has a ton of information . But it is well worth the time and effort if you or anyone wants to know the correct lawful procedure when it comes to legal immigration into the U.S. .
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
Have a nice day create and everyone.
July 9, 2010 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Here's a piece of news that may be of interest to some.
APNewsBreak: Thousands of donations total nearly $500K to help Arizona defend immigration law
Website contributions came from all 50 states, plus the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, including nearly 2,000 from Arizona. Donations ranged from $5 to $2,000, with the vast majority between $10 and $100.
source, http://www.startribune.com/nation/980...
July 9, 2010 at 12:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Must leave the forum for a while. Have to take my medication and get the yard mowed, before someone drives by and complains.
Have a good day in Emporia, everyone.
July 9, 2010 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Despite rhetoric, illegal immigration provides benefits to states.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/mark...
July 9, 2010 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA,
Here are several sites that are not connected to Texas or good old G.W. Bush.
Take a look at these independent sources, as to what illegal immigrants are really costing the U.S. and the legal U.S. taxpayer.
Staggering Cost Of Illegal
Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners ...
http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State's "cheap labor" costs average household $1,183 a year ...
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigra...
Illegal Immigration Costs Us Net $100 Billion ...
http://www.redstate.com/hogan/2010/07...
And heres one a little closer to home.
Study: Illegal Immigrants Cost Kansas Taxpayers $442 million
By Paul Soutar on July 8, 2010 ...
http://kansas.watchdog.org/4226/study...
July 9, 2010 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Questionable sites at best, but no doubt that illegal immigrants do cost Americans.
July 9, 2010 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Good Lord, what site isn' t questionable to some or most, especially those who don' t agree with a certain view or person.
July 9, 2010 at 8:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
methusla, The United Farm Workers have called on jobless citizens to replace immigrant farm workers. They will need about 40,000 jobless citizens to replace the illegal migrant workers. I think about four jobless citizens have applied to pick lettuce, strawberries, spinach, peppers, radishes etc. Take a trip out to Arizona this winter and pick hot peppers for less than minimum wage. That will show me how dedicated you are at solving the problem. Of course you could tell congress that you support the bipartisan AgJobs Bill http://action.ufw.org/page/s/agjobspl...
July 9, 2010 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA,
I have already worked over 40 years of my life and some of the work was for $1.50 an hour and was harder work, in working conditions that a migrant worker wouldn' t even consider . Hell, I have put up hay at the age of 14 and was paid 2 to 4 cents a bail, in 100+ degree weather and did it all day long from near sun up to sun set .
Ive, paid my dues and have to prove nothing to noone, least of all an illegal immigrant . I am worried about and fighting for the future generations of Legal American citizens and I don' t mean those born to illegal immigrants that just happen to be in the U.S., " Illegally ", either.
July 9, 2010 at 10:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Rewba, YY4U, Akamai, koalemos, or whatever your calling yourself these days,
You obvious believe that immigration laws should not apply to certain people. Is it just certain people or should we just not have immigration laws? Is it just immigration laws that should not apply to these people? Who gets to decide which laws apply to whom? Does the individual get to decide which laws apply to them? Do they get to decide after they get caught committing a crime that that law does not apply to them? That certainly would make prosecution difficult. And really, what about those Russians that got busted and are now going to be deported lickety split? Why is no one jumping to their defense? What makes them differ? Huh? I wonder.
July 9, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
seriously,
In case you haven' t heard REWBA, YY4U, Akamai, koalemos, aka, aka,aka is a bonafide expert in absolutely everything. Even immigration, immigration laws, etc. . But, what people like REWBA don' t realize is that these illegal immigrants don' t have the sand to try and make their own country a better place to live and work. No, they would rather go to some other country, illegally, where the citizens of that country have already made their country a better place, such as the U.S., and then want every thing handed to them by any means possible, mostly illegal means at that . The plain fact is, one cannot reason with the unreasonable. So, I am going to stop trying to reason with Rewba, YY4U, Akamai, koalemos, crackinsack or whatever they are or have called themselves.
July 9, 2010 at 11:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Latest news,
'Silent raids' sweep illegal workers from jobs ...
While the sweeps of the past commonly led to the deportation of such workers, the “silent raids,” as employers call the audits, usually result in the workers being fired, but in many cases they are not deported.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38176981/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times
I am wondering what the purpose of " firing " illegal immigrant workers and not deporting them as well.
Hell, all these " illegals " who are fired will do is just move on to some other job and remain in the U.S. " illegally " .
What is the underlying reason that Obama and his administration does not want to get " tough " about illegal immigration/immigrants, beside the special interest moneys being given to them ? Could it be that Obama' s father was also an illegal immigrant and that could possibly be the reason ? Just thinking out loud .
I know this country need a change, but I am beginning to believe that Obama and his administration is not the change, that was needed .
July 10, 2010 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Sorry, try this link, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38176981/...
July 10, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"What is the underlying reason that Obama and his administration does not want to get " tough " about illegal immigration/immigrants, beside the special interest moneys being given to them ?"
Because he is a liberal.
July 10, 2010 at 1:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
methusla, I am a Expert Infantryman, I qualified Expert on every light weapons system in the US Army inventory, and I am a Jungle Expert. That's all.
You seem to be an Ex Spurt in almost every subject known to man.
Ex = Has been
Spurt = Drip under preasure
July 10, 2010 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Rewba, YY4U, Akamai, koalemos, or whatever your calling yourself these days,
You obvious believe that immigration laws should not apply to certain people. Is it just certain people or should we just not have immigration laws? Is it just immigration laws that should not apply to these people? Who gets to decide which laws apply to whom? Does the individual get to decide which laws apply to them? Do they get to decide after they get caught committing a crime that that law does not apply to them? That certainly would make prosecution difficult. And really, what about those Russians that got busted and are now going to be deported lickety split? Why is no one jumping to their defense? What makes them differ? Huh? I wonder.
July 10, 2010 at 1:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks, You said it man. Immigration laws. Now there is the problem! We don't have good immigration laws. We have ignorant immigration laws. We need to change those immigration laws but we are too busy giving money to millionaires and billionaires to worry about what Americans need.
All of the hijackers who attacked America was here legally and they all had driver licenses and insurance.
Those Russian spies that you keep talking about were here legally. They too had tickets to the ball game and blended in well.
I know that some of the Mexicans who are here illegally commit crimes and I do not condone that at all. BUT, the people who come here to commit serious crimes do so legally. They don't want to be deported until after they earn seven virgins and a castle in the sky.
Fix the law! That's all I'm saying. Of course it is just my opinion and I am in no way trying to say that I'm an expert or and exspurt in this subject matter.
July 10, 2010 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Explain me this Mr. Expert REWBA . How can I be, as you say , an Ex = has been or Spurt = drip under pressure, when I do not claim to be an expert at anything and if you have read my posts, when have I ever, as you say, dripped under pressure
And I am beginning to believe that the only expertise you have, is putting yourself on your pedistal and at conning people into believing that you are someting you only purport to be.
Thats, all brother, I am done with you.
July 10, 2010 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Rewba,
Could you at least try to answer my questions?
July 10, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
You go looking on the world wide web for anything that supports your world view, copy and paste the contents into your post and tell the rest of us, "Look! I'm right! See! Fox News agrees with me!"
The reality here is you hate brown people and do not believe that they belong in your fancy society. All the while you eat meat and potatoes complaining about the people who steal America's jobs. American's don't want to pick potatoes and bag them under a hot sun. American's don't want to kill and slaughter cattle for minimum wage. American's want high paying jobs and cheap food. That's why we need cheap labor.
July 10, 2010 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
sorry seriouslyfolks, the above was for someone who is done with me. As if I gave him permission to start with me.
I thought I did answer the question that you posed. The Russians that you are talking about where here on visa's issued by the United States allowing them to be here. They were here legally but while they were here, they violated some law or another that makes it legal to deport them.
July 10, 2010 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Why is there no out cry to let them stay here like there is for certain other people that are violating the law in a way that makes it legal to deport them?
There are also quite a few other questions that I posed that remain to be answered such as, which other laws should not apply to this group that many feel immigration laws should not apply to? I actually have an appreciation for the laws of this country because I know that they protect me and my family and this brings me comfort when I am away at work. I would like to know if laws such as breaking and entering would apply to this special group that the immigration laws apparently shouldn't apply to? Recently we had a group of people bust into a few apartments here in town and they took some stuff. I don't know what group these people belong to but I assume it must have been one of the groups of people that the laws apply to because the police got involved and what not. What if it was the above the law group? Would the people that got there stuff stolen just be out of luck? Couldn't the people who took the stuff say "Hey, when you let us break the immigration laws we just assumed that that meant we can pick and choose which laws apply to us."? I'm really not comfortable knowing that there are people going around that are allowed to break the laws that are designed to protect my family. Perhaps if they made a list of which laws they would like to follow and which ones they don't feel like following, we could negotiate and I'd feel a little better. How pathetic is that when a law abiding upright citizen veteran has to follow the laws and we allow someone who is commiting a crime pick and choose which laws apply to them. I guarantee if I got caught committing a crime I'd be locked up quicker than something that is really really fast like a cheetah or something.
July 10, 2010 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Cheap, cheap, cheap ? How many people think or believe that anything is cheaper now than when there were less or fewer illegal immigrant cheap labor say, oh 10 or 15 years ago . Fox news or any other information outlet does not agree with me, I agree with them in some cases. And there are some people who would not believe the known, proven facts if it walked up slapped them in the face and kicked their arse or bloodied their nose, because they are an expert " ostrich " with their head in the sand . And those who accuse me of hating " Brown " people, are the ones who hate people, especially, it would seem legal, law abiding Americans and " law abiding people " who just happen to do the right and proper thing by doing things " legally " , such as entering a country " legally " and following the " legal and proper/lawful " proceedures to do so . If someone broke the law, by breaking into your house to steal from you ... regardless of skin color, ethnicity or nationality, would you simply say, welcome and take what you want . I know of one on these forums who probably would . Or if an illegal immigrant just happened to be hired for the same job you were seeking or wanting, would you just simply say, thats o.k. and walk away, with love in your heart. I know one on this forum that would probably do just that .
And how does anyone know for sure there are no Americans, who would not pick potatoes, celery, lettuce, cabbage, onions, bag or box them etc., in the hot sun , just exactly how do you know. Because you have read or heard someone or some news service or private agency say so, thats why . Boy, some people are so asinine, know it all or expert at everything, especially life, they are existing in a fantasy world of their own making.
July 10, 2010 at 5:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
If you are here in America and you commit a crime, you should be punished to the full extent that the law allows. If the law allows you to be deported, so be it. I'm all for enforcing laws. I'm for enforcing laws against people who try to enter our county in violation of the law. I'm also in favor of prosecuting the people who hire illegals. I'm in favor of deporting people who are not supposed to be here. I'm opposed to providing housing assistance, food stamps, low income heating assistance, social services including health care and education for illegals. That is my stance.
With that said, I'm also a realist. People get into our country in violation of our laws. People hire illegals and get away with it. Our government doesn't deport every illegal immigrant that they catch breaking other laws. illegals are provided taxpayer funded services and they depress wages for American citizens.
I'm for immigration reform! Let's make it happen!
July 10, 2010 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Come to the USA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOH...
July 10, 2010 at 10:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Excellent, excellent post rabblerouser.
Even though it is meant to be funny, there is a lot of truth in it.
July 10, 2010 at 10:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
As far as immigration reform goes . I am not really advocating immigration reform.
The present immigration laws are pretty straight forward, as is. Therefore, what I believe is needed, is, more forceful and aggressive enforcement of the present immigration laws and a much larger enforcement force itself, especially along the border and each and every entrance point into the U.S.. Using the National Guard or/and Army reserve to help with the enforcement of border watches, with the authority to detain, make arrests and even returning fire, if fired upon and the use of deadly force if necessary .
And aggressively showing all illegal immigrants, as well as those who hire illegal immigrants, already in the U.S. that they are not safe and will be hunted down, found out, arrested and deported, or prosecuted and punished, without prejudice and to the fullest extent of the law, no matter whether they are Brown, Black, Yellow, Green, Blue or Red or Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Mexican, Honduran, Saudi, French, German, Icelandic, Canadian or what ever country they are from or what business they are engaged in, no exceptions.
The immigration law of the U.S. is/should not be a law to be scourned, usurped, bypassed, sidestepped or disregarded by anyone who is thinking of or wants to immigrate to the U.S. and wishes or intends to legally become a citizen of the U.S. or any other country with immigration laws in place .
There is the right/legal way to do something/immigrate and the wrong/illegal way to do something/immigrate, is just one.
If this nation and some in this nation continue to molly coddle these illegal immigrants, as well as those who illegally hire illegal immigrants, they will continue to thumb their noses at the U.S./AMERICA , its laws and its people.
How many other countries in the world, do you think, molly coddle illegal immigrants if they break that countrys' immigration laws or any of that country's laws ... like the U.S. apparantely does and has done for years ?
What other country would allow immigrants, especially, illegal immigrants to force a countrys' government or its leader to turn a blind eye to that countrys' laws, just for the sake of popularity or votes as the U.S./America apparantely does and is doing ?
What other country or its people would allow its elected Leader/President to side with the illegal immigrants, who have broken and are breaking that countries laws, each and every day, against their/his own legal citizens or States, other than the U.S./America is now doing ?
U.S. legal citizens, you are losing your country, your jobs and yes, even your respect to the illegal immigrant/immigrants ... with the help of your President and Congress and that is something each and every legal citizen of the U.S. needs/should be ashamed of .
There, I got that off my chest and mind. Now, have at it.
July 11, 2010 at 12:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
I agree Methusla, I see nothing wrong in your posting. I firmly believe that we have terrorist in our country right now, planning who knows what, that have merely come across our porous borders as illegal immigrants. I was very shocked that within 12 hours after 911 our borders and ports were not locked down and immediately closed. We are no more secure now than we were before 911! Arizona is merely wanting to enforce the Laws already in existence that our Federal Government refuses to enforce. If the Federal Government doesn't get off their duffs and start doing something, I can see this thing going into the streets. Our last Civil War was over States Rights. Do they not learn anything from History? Nuff Said.
July 11, 2010 at 7:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Good points, methusla and rabble too.
At times like these, I can't help but think about those young Americans who accidentally stepped across the border into Iran and how quickly they were imprisoned. We all expected them to be put to death.
Our border with Mexico is so porous, even if they wanted to after 9-11, they couldn't have locked it up. But yes, rabblerouser, you're right about terrorists from any country in the world easily using that entry.
Your prediction about "this thing going into the streets" is chilling to say the least. Let's hope it doesn't go that far.
July 11, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
With no change to our immigration laws, there is little chance that our illegal immigrant problem will change.
Currently, anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a native born U.S. citizen. It really doesn't matter that one or both parents are illegal immigrants. I believe that should change.
People who enter the US with a tourist visa are "checked in" but there is no one ensuring that they "check out". Tourist visa's are good for 90 days. I know of an old dude who came from El Salvador to visit family in Emporia on his 90 day tourist visa. That was two years ago and he is still here.
The reason we have a certain number of border patrol agents is because of a law. If we want more border patrol agents, congress has to change the law to allow for more.
Our Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents have caught big corporations establishing temporary work agencies and using those agencies to provide themselves with cheap illegal labor. When it goes to court, the government cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the companies "knowingly" hired illegals. That word needs to be removed from the law. Companies who hire illegals "knowingly" or not should be fined and it's executives should be imprisoned for a few years.
There are so many loopholes to current immigration law that enforcement is futile. We do need immigration reform. IMHO
July 11, 2010 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
"I love my Country, but I fear my government!"
We need a clean sweep!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpw5e-...
July 11, 2010 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
A good start to a satisfactory immigration reform, if a complete reform is in fact necessary , is to start with a more aggressive enforcement of the current immigration laws, instead of the federal government sitting around with their thumbs up their arses and doing nothing.
As for the " goof " Obama trying to flex his muscles and suing any State for attempting to do his and the congress job as law makers and enforcers of the law they are succeeding in tearing this nation apart and bankrupting it and the legal taxpayers.
As for the President, any President thinking he has sole power over immigration, Obama needs to take a look at the following,
Congress has complete authority over immigration. Presidential power does not extend beyond refugee policy. Except for questions regarding aliens' constitutional rights, the courts have generally found the immigration issue as nonjusticiable.
source, http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/Imm...
Therefore an illegal immigrant does not fall under the classification of " Refugee " the President/Obama has no authority over immigration, legal or otherwise and congress is the only governing body that has the right to sue, any State over doing the job that the President or Congress seems willing to do. Also, since illegal immigrants are in the U.S. " Illegally " , they have no Constitutional rights, guaranteed to them by the U.S. Constitution . Only immigrants who are in the U.S. " LEGALLY " by legal means and procedure/requirements are afforded any rights, afforded to tem by the U.S. Constitution .
REWBA, as for children born to illegal immigrants automatically being afforded U.S. citizenship, that may soon change .
Therefore Arizona and any other State that wants to do the job that the President or Congress will not do and they, the President and Congressmen/women may take their chances in trying to hold onto their respective, States, Congrssional, Senate, White House seats by suing the very States and peoples of those States that are willing to do their job for them, with or without their help .
Also according to the following info, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/htm...
§ 1251. Original jurisdiction
(a) The Supreme Court shall have original and exclusive jurisdiction of all controversies between two or more States.
(b) The Supreme Court shall have original but not exclusive jurisdiction of:
(1) All actions or proceedings to which ambassadors, other public ministers, consuls, or vice consuls of foreign states are parties;
(2) All controversies between the United States and a State;
(3) All actions or proceedings by a State against the citizens of another State or against aliens.
I fully support Arizona and any other State who is fed up with the illegal immigrants/immigration and the drain they have caused on this Nation and its legal citizens.
CONTINUED
July 11, 2010 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Continued,
Therefore it would appear that congress is the ones who should be objecting to Arizona helping them do their job and congress should be the one to be bringing suit againt any State that wants to help the Fed enforce the law and protect its borders, economy, and its legal taxpayers by doing so. But, I guess Obama, evidenty considers himself " King of America " and can usurp the U.S. constitution, its laws and its legal citizens.
However I have not heard to many congressmen/women who have come out against Arizona or any State doing what they ( Congress ) or the President is unwilling or just plain does not want to do to rectify a growing problem.
July 11, 2010 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
Arizona is only one state. Arizona's solution to Arizona's problem is to run their problems out of Arizona into one of the other states. How is Arizona's law good for America?
I guess it is no different than Emporia running the Somali's out of Emporia, but Garden City is not happy with their new residents from Emporia. Funny, isn't it?
July 11, 2010 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Arizona is a start! I guess they will only have to be run out .............Oh say....... 50 states! Or you'd better make that 49. I doubt that any of them will be swimming to Hawaii! I just hope Kansas is not last in a long line of States protecting their citizens. Kansas - House bill 2202
July 11, 2010 at 2:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
In my last comment above, that part of the post that states the following,
the courts have generally found the immigration issue as nonjusticiable.
for those who do not know what the term, " nonjusticiable " means, please see the following,
Justiciability refers to the types of matters that the federal courts can adjudicate. If a case is "nonjusticiable." a federal court cannot hear it. To be justiciable, the court must not be offering an advisory opinion, the plaintiff must have standing, and the issues must be ripe but neither moot nor violative of the political question doctrine.
source, http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/jus...
If I am interpreting this correctly, that means that any immigration issue cannot be heard in a Federal Court, such as the Supreme Court, Federal Appelate Court, any Federal (Government ) Court.
And therefore " King Obamas' " attempt to sue the State of Arizona or any State that desires to enforce the Federal immigration laws or implement their own immigration laws to supplement the Federal immigration laws is, in itself illegal and at worst Un-American .
Because this is definately an immigration issue. And definately not a political doctrine issue.
Of course that is if I am interpreting this correctly.
July 11, 2010 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
They're in Hawaii too. Getting on an airliner is easy if you have fake id.
July 11, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
It would really suck to go all the way to Hawaii and get lei'd by a Mexican upon arrival.
July 12, 2010 at 1:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Maybe you could just sneak in and not let them see you!
July 12, 2010 at 6:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
I can guarantee you that if the Feds do not block the Arizona bill before it goes into affect on July 29th there will be a whole lot less illegals in Arizona on July 30th. Guaranteed!!! If the Federal Government would give all States the ability to enforce the laws already on our books, we would not have to deport near as many as one might think. Many would voluntarily leave. Just as they would if you took the cheap labor jobs away by slapping huge fines on the Employers who hire them. Years ago before we had this problem, the crops still got picked and the lawns got mowed and the unemployment rate was not near as high. Elliminate the cheese and the mice will leave!
July 12, 2010 at 10:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
The following post contains an old article, but Sunday's news reports an updated version of the large numbers of illegal immigrants leaving AZ and going elsewhere like Texas and other states that don't harangue them. For some reason, I couldn't copy the link so I posted the entire article.
After reading it, I must admit that I go back to the link from Fox News that REWBA posted about how illegal immigration proves beneficial to states.
So, let me pose this question: If Kansas were to follow Arizona's lead re: illegal immigrants, and since we know that the state supports schools according to a head count, how might that affect Emporia's schools? (You can plug in any other area beside schools that are supported by taxes, both property and payroll).
July 13, 2010 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Here's the article:
Illegal immigrants leaving AZ, Oklahoma; going to Texas
Associated Press
Feb. 3, 2008 03:22 PM
HOUSTON - Illegal immigrants are coming into Texas, but not from where one might think.
The rush is coming from Arizona, Oklahoma and other states - places that have recently passed tough new anti-illegal immigrant laws.
The two toughest measures are in Arizona and Oklahoma.
The Oklahoma statute, which took effect in November, makes it a crime to transport, harbor or hire illegal immigrants. Effective Jan. 1, the Arizona law suspends the business license of employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers. On a second offense, the license is revoked.
Anecdotal information seems to indicate that illegal immigrants are leaving these states in growing numbers.
"They're really tightening the screws," said Mario Ortiz, an undocumented Mexican worker who came to Houston after leaving Phoenix last year. "There have been a lot coming - it could be 100 a day."
In Tulsa, Okla., the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce has estimated that 15,000 to 25,000 illegal immigrants have left the area. One builder estimated that 30 percent of the Hispanic work force left Tulsa.
"There's been a tremendous impact in Oklahoma City," said David Castillo, the executive director of the Greater Oklahoma City Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. "We've had several companies close shop and leave the state. Banks have called us and say they're closing 30 accounts per week."
Enrique Hubbard, Mexico's consul general in Dallas, said a dozen Mexican families from Oklahoma have applied for consular documents listing their new homes in the Dallas area. He expects more to arrive because jobs are available in north Texas.
Texas' reputation as a welcoming destination has experts predicting more immigrants will come to Houston and other cities in the state. Texas has not passed any statewide law targeting the employment of undocumented workers.
"Texas is still very much an entrepreneurial place, where you can find your place in this economy," said James Hollifield, a Southern Methodist University professor and migration expert. "It's not an immigrant's paradise, but if you work hard and keep your head down you can get ahead."
Ortiz, a native of southern Mexican state of Tabasco, said he left Phoenix eight months ago working 60 to 70 hours a week as a nursery worker. While now he can only pick up two to three days a week of yardwork and barely earns enough to send back to his family, he prefers to be in Texas.
"Here, they let you work. Over there, they won't. There is a lot of racism, but here there isn't - it's better," Ortiz said of Houston.
July 13, 2010 at 6:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
By posing that question about school finance, I'm trying to put this into perspective by reducing it to a microcosm. I hope I haven't offended anyone.
July 13, 2010 at 6:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Well, create,
Even though, I myself no longer have any children in public school . I do have grandchildren and great grandchildren in the public school system and none of them get any " free " government taxpayer subsidised education . Why is that ? It is because my Son, Daughter and Granddaughters' families all make above the guideline to recieve education assistance . I have asked myself this question many, many times. Why shoud I, any of my family or anyone or their families, who are legal citizens of the U.S., have to pay for their childrens education, as well as pay for the education of an illegal immigrants child, even those children who are born to illegal immigrants living in the U.S., " illegally ', because they choose to " skirt " the laws of the U.S. and choose to remain an " illegal immigrant " in order to avoid paying the taxes that support the public education system in the U.S. and the States. ? And the answer I keep coming up with, is, because the Federal Government, State governments and our elected leaders in the Federal Government and State government do not want to or demand a more aggressive enforcement of the immigration laws of the U.S., for their own, greedy purposes .
I am sure that we all know what the term " upside down " means when referring to any of our personal fininacial situations. Well our governments, Federal, State and local, have put our school fininancial system in an " upside down " situation by putting the children of illegal immigrants on the list, to recieve, government subsidized, taxpayer funded, " free " education .
The overwhelming influx of " illegal immigrant " children into the public school system of the U.S. is biggest contributing reason for the predicament that public school finance is now experiencing . JMO
July 13, 2010 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
methusla, actually, the school finance I was referring to has nothing to do with subsidies. That is a separate matter regarding enrollment fees and school lunches which is based on income. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.
The state finances the public school system according to the head count at each school.
The cutoff date is September 20 of each year when schools must report their number enrolled to the state. The state then pays each school district approximately $4,000 per student. I don't know the exact amount without looking it up, but that's close.
If there is a lesser headcount at the schools due to an exodus of illegal immigrants, how will communities make up the deficit?
July 13, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Create,
Lesser headcount means
Fewer students= fewer teachers=less payroll.
Fewer students= fewer classrooms
Fewer students= fewer reduced or free meals.
A smaller headcount shouldn't mean raising everyones costs to keep financing things like there were more students.
Costs should go down.
July 13, 2010 at 10:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I agree Steve . Also if the illegal immigrant children head count goes down, that should mean that the legal citizen taxpayers of the city, county, school districts should not have to pay the same amount as they did, when illegal immigrant children were in the school system/district. And here is where I totally disagree with the policy of children born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. becoming citizens of the U.S. automatically . This policy is and has been a drain on the legal taxpayers of the U.S. for many decades now, and should be changed and the sooner the better. If the school district administrators or school administrators cannot or will not cut spending, because of a lower student head count and continue to demand the same amount of money/expenditures as before the lower student head count/enrollment, then it is/would be time for a thourough house cleaning at the school district/school administration level. JMO
July 13, 2010 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Sorry methusla, here is where you and I part ways. " The Supreme Court has never explicitly ruled on whether children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents are entitled to birthright citizenship via the 14th Amendment, although it has generally been assumed that they are. A birth certificate issued by a U.S. state or territorial government is evidence of citizenship, and is usually accepted as proof of citizenship."
That is the law and good citizens should respect the law until it is changed by congress or declared to be unlawful by the Supreme Court.
July 13, 2010 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
It's not like school closings and teacher layoffs would hurt the economy of a community or anything. Is it?
July 13, 2010 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create,
It is my opinion, that the 14th amendment which was ratified on July 9th, 1868, approx. 2 years and 3 months after the end of the Civil War. And the only reason that the 14th amendment to the Constitution was adopted and ratified was because noone at the time knew what to do with 4 million newly freed African Slaves.
I really don' t think, the leaders of the country at the time realized what a problem this amendment would become to the U.S. and its people. I also believe that part of the 14th. amendment that automatically gives citizenship to anyone born in the U.S. should either be repealed or re-written to exclude those born to illegal immigrants either one illegal immigrant parent or two illegal immigrant parents .
July 13, 2010 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Just in case anyone is interested, take a look at the following, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38245714/...
It looks as if the illegal immigrant debate/thing is heating up even more.
July 14, 2010 at 10:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sail (anonymous) says...
Do any of you know how REP. Don H ill , feels about our boarders being open to all who can swim or jump? Has he proposed any solution at the state level, such as OK or AZ has done. Has REP.Don Hill blocked any resolution to stop the invasion? I would be interested on his stance, is he part of the solution, or is he ......
July 15, 2010 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Methusia...Todays news is this. Two state workers are responsible for this list. They have been suspended pending an investigation that may or may not send them to jail for reporting the illegal activity of being in our country illegally. WOW.. we may send an American to jail but not someone who is really breaking the law. I think my Defence would be that I was entrapped. If these people were not here illegally, then I would not have been forced to report them.
By the way....the information that these two reported on came from the food stamp system in Utah. Thats the system in AZ that is called DES and supplies Food stamps, Healthcare and Financial aid to those who need it.
You know whats funny, I don't qualify for any of that help. You see, I'm white and I live here legally.
Oh yea, now tell me I just made a racist comment.
July 16, 2010 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Lesser headcount means
Fewer students= fewer teachers=less payroll.
Fewer students= fewer classrooms
Fewer students= fewer reduced or free meals.
A smaller headcount shouldn't mean raising everyones costs to keep financing things like there were more students.
Costs should go down.
Mr Corbin, everything you say is true. except that the Union will just decide that fewer students does not equate to lower cost, it merely means smaller class sizes so as to fill those now empty class rooms and keep those teachers employed. I just love Unions.
July 16, 2010 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Actually, you did make a racist statement even with your use of pronouns; however, you are not altogether honest about your statement saying that you don't qualify for help. Being white and living here legally is not the criteria. Your income is. You do not qualify because I'm guessing you have a job or some kind of savings to rely on.
If you were a single custodial parent without a job, or any other means of support, you would qualify. My friend's son who is white, qualified when he lost his job last year because he is the custodial parent of two children and receives no child support.
So geoffrey, you may not have mentioned particular races in your post, but you did make a racist statement. What is more, you are guilty of flawed reasoning because you made a hasty generalization.
Or to put it more succinctly, Oh boo hoo, I'm white so I don't qualify for welfare. Non Sequitur! You're full of it, geoffrey.
July 16, 2010 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Well, geoffreym, all I can say is. Apparantely some government employees are as fed up with the illegal immigration and fraud being perpetrated by illegal immigrants/aliens as nearly everyone else who is a " legal " citizen of the U.S. . It would seem that our Federal Government, President, Senate and House of Representatives are not too overly concerned about illegal immigration/immigrants/aliens . And if the Federal Government is going to do nothing agressivly about the illegal immigration/immigrant/alien problem then it is going to be up to the States and the " legal " U.S. citizens to take up the " cause " and do something about it them selves, even if they are government empolyees.
I also say that if this list of names was actually gotten from a food stamp benefit list and there are illegal immigrants on the list receiving taxpayer funded food stamps, funded by " legal " U.S. citizen taxpayers, then those who over see the food stamp benefit program and have allowed illegal immigrants to recieve food stamps should be punished for taking part in " Defrauding " the Government and the " legal " taxpaying citizens of the U.S. .
July 16, 2010 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
geoffreym (anonymous) says...
Create, I was being somewhat smart ass....you see I have my income reported. Illegals do not. They get benefits on top of the under the table pay they receive
Additionally, several of these names released had SS numbers associated with them. Maybe those SS numbers should be investigated also to see if they match the person who is using them.
July 16, 2010 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Yes, I would agree with you there, that those SSN's should be investigated.
On another note, but still to do with fraud against the government, I see reported today that the feds have made huge arrests of people who have been defrauding Medicare and Medicaid. Who are these people? DOCTORS AND NURSES. AMERICAN DOCTORS AND NURSES!!!
Go Feds. I'm cheering so hard that I can't think of the U.S. Attorney General's name. Help me, guys. Obama's nomination. Dang!
July 16, 2010 at 3:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create,
Eric Holder
July 16, 2010 at 5:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Oh thank you, methusla. I left the house to run an errand, and all the while I kept trying to think of his name.
Thank you, thank you.
July 16, 2010 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
There are a lot of U.S. Citizens who call themselves "single mothers" who receive taxpayer assistance for food, clothing, housing, medical cards, and other low income subsidies all the while allowing their "babies daddy" to live with them and not reporting his contributions to the household income. Maybe while we are going after cheats, we stick it to the single mothers too. Hey, what about all those wealthy Americans who liquidate grandmas assets so she can qualify for paupers rates at the nursing home? And while we are at it, we cannot forget the American land owners who strategically divide up their land into sections so that everyone in the extended family can receive farm subsidies. There are so many cheats in America but they will all tell you that what they are doing is totally legitimate.
July 16, 2010 at 5:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
REWBA,
Yes there are a lot of " legal " citizen cheats and perpetrators of fraud in the U.S. . The big difference is, they did not come/enter the U.S. " illegally " and then do their cheating, etc..
July 16, 2010 at 7:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
And some are the biggest cheats and frauds in the country and just happen to be the ones we elected to public office.
July 16, 2010 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
There are even more native born Americans who would not apply for a government give away even if we were starving in a snow bank. We would just make snowbank stew and work harder promising ourselves never to be in that situation ever again. We also realize that people shouldn't have to find themselves starving in a snowbank and so we establish assistance programs to help our fellow man. We all shake our heads in disrepair when our fellow man abuses our generosity. Legal or illegal, if you really need help, we will help. But, if you are confusing our kindness for weakness and taking advantage then you should be forced to repay. With interest. JMO
July 16, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
From Jerry Moran's newsletter I received this morning:
New Legislation Will Protect Local Immigration Laws
I introduced legislation today to protect state and local governments from federal lawsuits filed against local immigration laws. The federal government's failure to enforce immigration laws is leading state and local governments to enact their own laws to address the problem of illegal immigration. Yet, the high cost of defending against a federal lawsuit may discourage local governments from enacting laws to address illegal immigration.
The legislation I am introducing, the Respect for Local Laws Act, will require the federal government to pay for any legal costs incurred by state or local governments if a court upholds a federal challenge to a local immigration law. If the Obama Administration will not enforce our immigration laws, it should not stand in the way of state and local governments from doing so. We are a nation of laws and they must be enforced. Senator Mike Johanns of Nebraska introduced companion legislation in the Senate this week.
July 20, 2010 at 7:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I predict this State and local protection bill will be defeated by way of pressure from the special interest lobbys' of those who are making too much money from illegal immigration and illegal immigrants and by the " King " Obama administration itself, even though the Constitution itself limits Presidential Power to deciding " Refugee " status only and not immigration law . Besides as I see it a Federal lawsuit against the States " Soverignty " is a violation of the States Rights guaranteed to the States by the Constitution of the United States and the 10th Amendment. See the following.
The United States Constitution
Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
source, http://www.usconstitution.net/const.h...
3 Confederate powers and privileges
3.1 Sovereignty
The Confederation is co-sovereign with the several states.
3.2 The right of making proposals
3.2.1
The Confederation has the right of proposing new state laws or state treaties of any kind or changes to each state's existing laws, treaties and constitution.
3.2.1
If not approved by the state within 200 days, the Confederation may put the proposal to the direct vote of the citizens of the state for determination.
source, http://www.basiclaw.net/Constitution/...
Forced participation or commandeering
The Supreme Court rarely declares laws unconstitutional for violating the Tenth Amendment. In the modern era, the Court has only done so where the federal government compels the states to enforce federal statutes.
source, http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Tent...
July 20, 2010 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Meth, let's talk sales tax.
Click on " Readers topics" on the forums page.
July 20, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
solong (anonymous) says...
Everybody is worried about paying the illegals way home, look what's happening in Arizona. They are leaving in mass, just like they came there. Throw the employers of illegals in jail, make the employers pay their way back to wherever they came from, whether it be Mexico or China, and the situation improves. I would be glad to pay more for vegetables if I knew I wasn't having to pay for the illegals Food Stamps and whatever other benefits they receive, to me it would be a good deal to again be a law-abiding nation.
July 23, 2010 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fromaglance (anonymous) says...
What we have are a group of people who want to become citizens, but who have no pathway to citizenship.
A fence will only buy you time.
They want to be citizens, just like you and your ancestors.
Make it work.
August 2, 2010 at 10:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
fromaglance,
This group of people have always had a legal pathway to citizenship . All they have/had to do was follow the rules, regulations, requirements and immigration laws set forth by the government of the U.S.. Most all the worlds countries have immigration laws for immigrants to follow and abide by, and if they do so, they are on their way to becomming citizens of that Country.
But millions of immigrants choose not to try and become citizens " Legally " and choose to enter the U.S. by " Illegal " means be labled " Illegal immigrants/aliens by their own choosing and now they believe they are being racially profiled, discriminated against and are now trying to dictate law to the States, people and the very Country they entered " Illegally " . Those who are here, in the U.S. " Illegally " do not derserve an easy path to U.S. Citizanship. What they do deserve is an easy path to "Deportation", arrest, prison and/or fines and not necessarily in that order.
August 2, 2010 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fromaglance (anonymous) says...
methusla, are you a Christian?
August 2, 2010 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fromaglance (anonymous) says...
Because, you don't sound like it.
August 2, 2010 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Titus 3:1
Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, (NIV)
Remind the believers to submit to the government and its officers. They should be obedient, always ready to do what is good. (NLT)
REMIND PEOPLE to be submissive to [their] magistrates and authorities, to be obedient, to be prepared and willing to do any upright and honorable work, (Amplified)
Remind the people to respect the government and be law-abiding, always ready to lend a helping hand. (The Message)
Who doesn't sound like a Christian?
August 2, 2010 at 11:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fromaglance (anonymous) says...
A Christian, a decent humanitarian, would stop and consider all of the atrocities these people face day in and day out. They want to provide for a better future for their families, just like you.
They see your life as rich. I see your life as extravagant. Big house, big yard, SUVs, frequent trips to the corner fast-food joint. Safe. Wholesome. You can;t share that?
Put down your sword. If you are a Christian, as most red-state people say they are, be part of the solution.
Be the humanitarian.
August 2, 2010 at 11:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
I'm a democrat. Yeah, I know...I live in Kansas. So what? I'm hoping the tea party splits the republican vote and allows Kansas to go blue. GO TEA PARTY!
August 2, 2010 at 11:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
"Big house," nope, 900 sq. ft.
"big yard," again, not even close
"SUVs" try two cars, both over 15 yrs. old, one an entry model, the other a mid-line, both obtained used and now incredibly outdated.
The illegal immigrants in my neighborhood have nicer, bigger stuff than I do....because my earnings are paying so much of their bills before I even get to see it, that there is just enough left for us to have what I listed above. I'm not jealous...if I wanted more, I could sacrifice time with my family to get it. I won't. What I am is a believer in obeying the law. So if you come park in front of my house on the "no parking" side of the street, I will tell you to move, or call the police on you. Same if I find out you're residing here illegally. Illegal is illegal. Period.
If you are a legal resident (natural born or naturalized) and are in need, I will share anything and everything I can with you. You can borrow one of my cars and I will ride my bike. I will sleep on my couch or floor and you can sleep on my bed until we can get you set up more comfortably. This is NOT an issue of charitability.
August 3, 2010 at 12:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
"They want to be citizens, just like you and your ancestors."
No way, fromaglance. My ancestors came here legally through Ellis Island and other legal entry points.
If these people want so badly to be citizens of a good country, why aren't they staying at home and working to make their own country sound? Americans did that. Our history is rich with revolution and stories abound about the people who worked and gave their lives to liberate us from a crushing and greedy monarchy. Add to that the millions of legal immigrants who came afterwards, those who worked and slaved to develop what our founders established. Why do illegal aliens want to just skip over all that and take what we've worked for centuries to accomplish?
August 3, 2010 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
I can't help but think about my garden and the people up the street who used to steal my vegetables and apples. I finally caught them doing it. One of them was here illegally. Yes, I called the police, and they're gone now. When the one was deported, the rest followed him back to Mexico.
Those people had just as much space in their back yard as I did. Why didn't those thieving bastards grow their own fruit and vegetables? They had jobs. They lived there over a year, long enough to grow something from seed. Couldn't they buy seed like I did? Couldn't they dig up the ground like I did? I did much of it with hand tools, a little at a time, because I'm not strong enough to wrestle with a tiller. I would have been happy to lend them a pick and shovel. But no, they had to break into my yard in the dead of night and steal my tomatoes and peppers and cucumbers. They had to climb my apple tree and not only steal my apples, but they broke branches and left them on the ground! Damn them!!
Can you see the connection, fromaglance? Keep your illegal aliens out of my garden and out of my country because you are stealing the fruits of my labor. You didn't freaking ask, you just stole!!!
August 3, 2010 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
fromaglance ,
From a glance at your avatar I would say you are either a Californian or used to be a Californian . If you are a Californian, then I suggest you stick to and concentrate on the very serious problems facing California and solve those problems . Also what does anyone being a christian have to do with people breaking the law ? These people you have a specially affinity for were and are law breakers ( Criminals ) when they decided to become illegal immigrants, by breaking the immigration laws. You as a supposed Christian are supposed to follow and abide by Gods laws, are you not and when you break Gods laws you expect to be punished for doing so, do you not ? And what atrocities are these people facing every day, day in and day out. Except the atrocity of breaking the laws of the U.S. and then expecting to be rewarded for doing so .
I have seen plenty of human atrocities and mans inhumanity toward his fellowman man in my lifetime, so do not preach to me about being a christian, humanity and the like . And if the illegal immigrants had any humanity they would take the prescribed and legal path that is available to them to become legal U.S. citizenship they would not be hunted and disliked as " illegal immigrants ". But No, they just want to take the road that is quicker and seemingly easier to them, no matter who it may hurt or what it may cost someone else by doing so.
Therefore fromaglance my humanity and compassion lies with those immigrants who take the legal pathway afforded to them for legal U.S. citizenship.
August 3, 2010 at 9:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
create,
Your two posts are so right on and true.
You go girl, I commend and respect you . But it is very hard for me to commend and respect someone who wants something for nothing or has no respect for anyone else or their possessions .
August 3, 2010 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
REWBA (anonymous) says...
My illegal alien neighbors grow their own garden and are very nice. The only problem I had with them was that they would go pee in the alley and I was worried that they were peeing on my cucumbers. Every time I caught them out in the alley draining excess beer, I would tell them not to pee on my fence cause I have cucumbers growing there. They would deny urinating on my cucumbers and assure me that they would never do that. My instinct, intuition, gut feeling or whatever it's called caused me doubts so I installed an electric fence throughout the area of my cucumbers. It didn't take long to discover that they were not being honest to me when they said they wouldn't pee on my cucumbers. They were shocked! But, they don't pee in the alley any more. lol
August 3, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
What is it that has made it possible for this country to prosper? For hard working people to achieve their dreams? It is the laws that protect them and allow them to go to work and not have to worry too much about their "apple trees" getting stripped bare. The law is very important in this country.
Immigration is also an important part of this country. It always has been.
Remember those old Reese's peanut-butter cup commercials where one dude's chocolate got into the other dude's peanut-butter and the one dude said "Your chocolate got into my peanut-butter!" and the other dude said "Your peanut-butter is on my chocolate!"? Well long story short, they both tried it and liked it. That's how the law and immigration should be. Both mingled together. Legal immigration.
People say that these illegal immigrants just want to come here and obey the laws and become citizens. It is hard for a lot of us to believe this since the first act of these illegal immigrants is to break the law. You must admit that that is not really a good start. Another thing that confuses me about the whole just wanting to come here and be citizens is the loyalty many of them still have for the country they are fleeing from. If there is this love and desire for the U.S. and to be a citizen why do we see flags flying and flags stickers and flag license plates on cars etc. from these country's that have all these "atrocities" that these people are fleeing? These things do not add up.
I am not against immigration reform. If we need to look at and change our immigration policy so people who legitimately want to come here ,work hard, and obey the law that is ok. There must be some understanding on the part of the immigrants, though, that if you want to be a U.S. citizen your loyalty must be to the U.S. It is in the oath to become a citizen and ... well ... it's just common sense. If you have to flee from a place there is probably pretty good reason to do so. It just makes sense that the country you are fleeing to is superior in some way and more worthy of you allegiance than the "atrocity" filled country you came from. I just don't understand how someone could not see the obvious logic in that. The following is the oath one must take to become a citizen. I was born here but I have taken a similar oath and have sacrificed for this country so I understand the attraction this country has. I understand why people want to come here. I welcome them. I also understand the need for laws for this country's success. I welcome all immigrants who have the same loyalty to this country and it's laws. If our current laws are stopping some who are willing to come here and pledge allegiance to this country, forsake their old one, and follow our laws then we should seriously consider reforming them.
August 3, 2010 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Here's the oath:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
August 3, 2010 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
methusla (anonymous) says...
"fromaglance ,
From a glance at your avatar I would say you are either a Californian or used to be a Californian . "
Yes methusla. This is just the latest incarnation of the group from California that gets on here to put us down to make them selves feel better about themselves. cannabisandeucharist was one of there names. They change their name from time to time for whatever reason but it's obvious by the insults that it is the same group.
August 3, 2010 at 10:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
fromaglance, how dare they come here seeking a better life. Illegals should know better. Just because the process to become a legal resident takes an enormous amount of time, just because MOST of them want a better life for themselves and their families, just because they believe that America is the promise land is NO reason to come to this country. They should stay behind and live in squalor, just like we Americans would do if the roles were reversed. Just like our ancestors did when they didn't come to America.
Create, I feel your pain. When the bastard Honkies stole plants from my driveway, I, too, called the police. The thieves were also deported...back to the northeast side of town from where they came.
August 3, 2010 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Methusla, I see from your avatar that you are a figment of our imagination....'nuff said.
August 3, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I find it ironic that right after I comment about the importance of pledging allegiance to this country and the fact that it is right there in the oath, a poster comes on with the name "irishemporia".
August 3, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
At least I am a " figment " and damned proud of it.
August 3, 2010 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
And here is (apparently) fromaglance's oath:
1) You have it
2) I want it
3) Give it to me
4) If you don't, then you're not a Christian
August 3, 2010 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Yup, seriously, I am Irish AND American, and proud of both. I was born and raised here. So was my father, his father, and his father, back to the mid-1800s. Like everyone else in this county, including Native Americans, we all come from somewhere else. Doesn't mean I don't pledge allegiance and doesn't mean I'm not proud of who I am.
Take issue of it, if you feel you must. Deny your own heritage if that's what you want. I won't. It's who I am and I won't deny it for you, Methusla or anyone else.
August 3, 2010 at 2:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
At least I am a " figment " and damned proud of it.
You know Methusla, I'm actually beginning to like you. I don't agree with you on everything, but you are likable in a cuddly way.
August 3, 2010 at 2:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty "
August 3, 2010 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Interesting pledge, seriously. Here is mine:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
August 3, 2010 at 2:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
You can pledge whatever you want. I like mine better.
In case you missed it: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
August 3, 2010 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The oath I posted isn't something I just made up. It is the actual oath that people are required to take when they become citizens. I think it is implied that those of us that are born here should feel the same. I'm sorry you don't feel that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT_DlT...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_...
August 3, 2010 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Don't feel sorry for me just because I don't feel as you do, especially if it means denying who you are. I won't deny who I am. And I don't think anyone else should have to, either. I was born Irish-American. Not anyone, country or pledge -- not even God -- can change that.
August 3, 2010 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
So that this is not personally directed at you, seriously, please consider this change: especially if it means denying who one is.
August 3, 2010 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
For a little more in the way of music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbJx5...
August 3, 2010 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Awwww, irish, cut out the cuddly talk, your starting to make me " Grumpy " !
August 3, 2010 at 5:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Ya Big Lug!
August 3, 2010 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I think I was 20 or 21 when I found out "what I am" ancestry speaking. Had I known that information all those years it would not have made one difference in my life. How do I know this? Because it has not made one difference since. I just don't see the importance or the logic in being proud of the way we are born. It not a personal achievement. Being proud of where one is born when it is a horrible "atrocity" filled country makes even less sense to me. I totally understand being proud of coming here and becoming a citizen. That makes sense, you leave a not so good place and come to a better one. That is a good decision. I totally get that and encourage that (done in a legal manner of course). What I don't get is being proud of the place that one had to flee from. I have asked many times here and elsewhere if someone could explain it to me but have received no lucid answer. If someone could explain I would greatly appreciate it.
I will re re re type my position on immigration reform so people don't forget my position on it and just start calling me a racist. I am for immigration reform. I believe there is/are a need/needs for more ways for people to come here legally to work and or become citizens. I welcome all who want to come here legally and if many who want to but can not because we don't allow enough then we should look into changing that.
I think my position is reasonable. I try to have the utmost respect for the law while trying to understand and sympathize with those wanting to come here. Reform is needed but if the federal government doesn't enforce the reformed laws like they haven't enforced the current laws it will do little good. I have my doubts as to whether reform will even happen and if it does I don't think they will enforce it. Like most things they will use an issue that the people are passionate about and talk it up big so they will get some votes and then do very little about it.
August 4, 2010 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
bump
August 4, 2010 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thank you, Farm Raised. Good coverage.
Now I see that several senators are saying that the 14th amendment needs to be reviewed. That's the one that allows children born of immigrants to automatically become U.S. citizens. I can see where that will open a lot of discussion. I myself am only second generation American. My immigrant grandfather arrived as a bonded worker in the sugar plantations in Hawaii in 1882. My father was born in Honolulu in 1900 when the state was then a Territory.
August 4, 2010 at 4:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Ted Nugent....Great Humanitarian.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjFiHE...
August 9, 2010 at 6:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Seriously: I think that who we are and where we come from makes a big difference in what we are. I am a reflection of my parents, and by association a reflection of their parents, etc.
I'm proud to be American, Irish, Cherokee and I celebrate my ancestry.
August 9, 2010 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I too am proud of my heritage, Canadian and Cherokee my Cherokee Tribal name is " Standing Buffalo ", my sisters is " Silver Fox " , my sons is " Rolling Thunder " .
August 9, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
Obama and Holder taking on Arizona's SB1070
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xv...
August 14, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )