Sound off - about the State of Union speech
Thursday, January 28, 2010
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Obama urges nervous Dems to fight for his agenda
CHARLES BABINGTON,Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — Caught between disgruntled voters and a president urging them to press ahead on divisive issues such as health care, Democratic lawmakers must soon decide whether Barack Obama is leading them toward statesmanlike courage or political folly.
Obama used his first State of the Union speech Wednesday to try to hit the reset button on health care and to offer a hodgepodge of tax breaks and other incentives to create new jobs. He mixed overtures with digs toward Republicans. But he mainly addressed fellow Democrats, who still can enact his agenda if they overcome fears fueled by events such as last week's stunning GOP victory in the Massachusetts Senate race.
That setback may have cost Democrats their filibuster-proof Senate majority, Obama said, but "we still have the largest majority in decades, and the people expect us to solve some problems, not run for the hills."
He accepted partial blame for the deep troubles facing his health care push, but he implored lawmakers to finish the task rather than yield to public opposition.
"The longer it was debated, the more skeptical people became," Obama told the joint session of Congress and a nationwide TV audience. But health care problems will continue for millions, he said, and "I will not walk away from these Americans, and neither should the people in this chamber."
House and Senate Democratic leaders are scrambling to see if they can salvage the ambitious health care package, which Republicans almost universally oppose. Obama's pep talk was a call to arms, but he offered no new strategies for overcoming the steep parliamentary and political hurdles they face.
The president devoted most of his 65-minute speech to job-creation proposals, such as eliminating capital gains taxes on small business investment and extending tax breaks for businesses to invest in new plants and equipment. But those proposals also face uncertainty in Congress, where Senate Democrats say they may need a selective, piecemeal approach to win enough votes.
Obama said Republicans share a responsibility for governing, and he proposed meeting with their House and Senate leaders monthly. But his olive branch seemed brittle at times.
Without naming George W. Bush, he pointedly noted that the previous administration left him a big deficit and a deeply troubled economy. For good measure, Obama said the United States killed more al-Qaida terrorists in 2009 than in 2008.
Obama rebuked the Supreme Court for a recent decision that "reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests" and foreign corporations to make unlimited campaign contributions. At that, conservative Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito made a dismissive face, shook his head in disagreement and seemed to mouth the words "not true" as the president spoke.
Republicans in the House chamber generally greeted such remarks with stony gazes and smirks. The statements they issued as soon as Obama finished — or even before he finished, in some cases — were equally icy.
"We had hoped to hear a new commitment to keep his promises to govern from the center, change the tone in Washington, and work with both parties in a bipartisan way to help small businesses create jobs and get our economy moving again," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "Unfortunately, the president and the Democrats in charge of Congress still aren't listening to the American people."
Obama has the luxury of waiting until 2012 to seek re-election, while all 435 House seats and a third of the Senate seats are up for grabs this November. Some Democrats most nervous about the election are urging the administration to slow down, especially on the health care issue that has dominated Congress's attention for months.
Obama gave them no comfort. "Change has not come fast enough" for millions of Americans, he said. "We must answer history's call."
At the same time, however, the president tried to give Democrats some political cover on other sensitive issues, such as the bank bailouts that angered many voters.
"We all hated the bank bailout," he said. "I hated it. You hated it. It was about as popular as a root canal."
The president also tried to chip away at GOP talking points.
"Let me repeat, we cut taxes," he said, citing his administration's tax cuts "for 95 percent of working families."
Republicans are quick to note that the deficit has soared during Obama's year in office, and proposals such as the health care overhaul would impose new taxes on high-end medical insurance policies, among other things.
In their post-speech commentaries, several Democrats ignored nearly all of Obama's remarks except those aimed at creating jobs, the biggest issue on voters' minds.
"His focus was right where it belongs: on jobs and the economy, and on reforming the financial sector," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. "He acknowledged his own mistakes, and he avoided pointing partisan fingers."
Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, was less charitable.
If Obama is serious about improving the economy, Steele said, "he will give Republicans a seat at the table. If not, then we know that this is just more spin, arrogance and a refusal to listen to the American people."
blulitespecial (anonymous) says...
I didn't bother to watch.
January 28, 2010 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
just like blulitespecial, I didn't bother to watch.
I did however, listen this morning to msnbc reporting on it and then turned to fox news and listened to their report. Sounded to me like they covered two different speeches. :>{
the poll question at the beginning of this article should have had:
"THROW ALL THE BUMS OUT"
as a choice.
January 28, 2010 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Wasn't the guy who gave the speech a politician?
Yeah, I didn't watch.
I read a little about it on msnbc.com. They loved it of course.
Same ol' same ol', empty promises about jobs while in reality all the focus is on hrc.
January 28, 2010 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
According to the Republicans, they believe that they need or deserve a seat or more seats at the table . I ask the corrupt Political Parties and their stooges this. Just exactly how many seats at " The Table " do you need or have to occupy, to do whats right and equitable for all of the peoples of this Nation ? Instead, whomever has the seats at the " Table " only do and favor just those people, who pay those with the " Seats At The Table " for your resulting bias, that is skewed, in every aspect, to favor wealthy, influential individuals, corporations, special interests both Foreign and Domestic by continuing to give them an exceedingly, continued unfair advantage, over the rest of the Nations peoples. And it does not matter who has " Seats at the Table " , the partisan bickering continues, because of corruption in our Nations Politics and Government.
All of you political party stooges have had an advantage as to the number of seats at " The Table " , in one way or another for several decades and still have not, cannot or do not desire to do what is best for this Nation and all of its peoples. Hence the current predicament our Nation and its peoples and the world is currently experiencing. And the blame lies at the feet of noone but you the peoples elected representatives, who we, the people, were foolish and naive enough to place our trust in, to do what is right, and best for all of us/the people and the Nation.
It is a sad thing when " Greed " and " Corruption " governs a Nations' any Nations' Government .
January 28, 2010 at 2:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Did you vote for one of the two parties?
January 28, 2010 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I agree with the President, in the fact, that the recent Supreme Court ruling on repealing the cap on what corporations, etc. may spend on Political Advertising was wrong and the Supreme Court overstepped its authority and has actually changed the face of Politics and has gotten involved in Politics, which it is or at least was expressly forbidden to do.
Has the corruption, influence peddling and bias that has been prevailant in the Nations Politics, finally found its way into the Highest Court in the Nation or has the corruption, influence peddling and bias been in the Supreme Court all along and just now rising to show its ugly face ? Hmmmmmmmm !
With the recent Supreme Court rulling, National, State and local Politics will get even more corrupt and uglier .
January 28, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
no, I did not .
January 28, 2010 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
In fact, if I survive to the next election, what ever it may be, I believe that I will write in my own name and vote for myself !
January 28, 2010 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
After all could writing in and voting for myself be any worse choice than the possible choices ?
January 28, 2010 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
After all could writing in and voting for myself be any worse choice than the possible choices ?
January 28, 2010 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I mean, I have the ability to " screw " things up as well as anyone and get paid for doing it, besides .
January 28, 2010 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I'd vote for you.
January 28, 2010 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Thanks, seriously. Hey, how about you and me becoming candidates for President & Vice President, on Ummm, " The Peoples Party or the " Crochety Party ", what do you think !
I wonder if we could get any campaign financing, contributions, backing, etc..
January 28, 2010 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
It is against the Constitution to have the President and Vice-President from the same state. Unless one of you change your address to the ranch in Wyoming you can't do it. (=^_^=)
January 28, 2010 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bloomsbury (SC DIXON) says...
The State of the Union Speech, 2010: An increasingly desperate man, swaggering still, filling the air with promises he cannot keep. The sound you heard, midway through, was America rolling its eyes.
January 28, 2010 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spectator (anonymous) says...
Bullseye, bloomsbury ! Excellent !
January 28, 2010 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Bloomsbury,
Perhaps you should do some research about promises before you speak, so far he is doing pretty well at 91 promises kept to 15 broken. Everybody interprets things differently but your statement could just as easily apply to the last 4-5 SOTU addresses.
January 28, 2010 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
With a recovery like this, who needs enemies? Stocks are in trouble and get ready for the next plunge. An analysis done by the AP shows that stimulus spending had no effect on employment. Right now 39.1 million people are living in poverty...and 40 million on food stamps. This is how the Feds operate--they punish success and reward failure. The truth behind the green agenda and Obama's stimulus bill is that it's about creating a monoply profiteering machine for international bankers. A top German physicent has now stepped forward and debunked the entire AGW global warming theory using the known laws of physics. Cap and Trade, Health Care and all these other programs will devalue the dollar by 50%. The real truth is, we can't pay for what we have. There is a hidden agenda--MORE LATER.
January 28, 2010 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Always accusations, never any evidence provided......
January 28, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
The agenda of the large Tax exempt Foundations "Merging Capitalism with Communism."Go to Enemy Within: The Hidden Agenda of the Rockefellers, Carnegie & Ford Foundations....The President's Commission on Higher Education published in 1947 acknowledged that the foundations were working towards indoctrinating the American people psychologically, socially and politically, to the necessity of world government. Also go to "The Hidden Agenda" G. Edward Griffin's interview with Norman Dodd. And Dr. Stan Montieth's interview with Norman Dodd and like I always say when I send you to these sites--Make like your going through a buffet--Take what you want and leave the rest. Oh yes, check out None Dare Call it Conspiracy Gary Allen. Enjoy.
January 28, 2010 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
For eight years we watched George Bush bring this country nearly to ruin. No one, not even Obama, will be able to fix in one year what Bush broke in two terms. Not the economy, not war, not morale.
January 28, 2010 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
BRAVO irish! Thank you for stating what I have been trying to say to everyone who b*tches and complains about Obama. McCain wouldn't have done any better, given all that was handed to the new president a year ago. Everyone wants a fast fix, and they want it NOW. Thing is, you can't fix everything in a year people. From the way I see it, Obama is doing the best he can with the options he has. Plain and simple. Will everyone like what he does to try to fix things? No. And I would expect nothing less.
On a similar subject... has anyone seen the article on cnn.com about our government investing $8 billion on a new high-speed train system? Looks like he is trying to do what he can to get our economy growing. The only downside I see to it is that from west of KC to the western seaboard, there are no plans for railways. So if you want to go from Chicago to Denver, you are out of luck. Otherwise, I think it is a great deal... bound to bring new jobs in while they are rebuilding the train lines, laying new ones and even after it is all completed.
January 29, 2010 at 12:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Obama's light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming the wrong way. Were heading for the biggest train wreck in history. In the great depression half of the people at least lived on farms and could grow food. As long as the international bankers can keep the left fighting the right, they can laugh all the way to the bank. These Congress people get together after work and make fun of us. If your fed up you might want to join the Tea Party folks, they have the empire on the run.
January 29, 2010 at 1:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Go to Greater Depression Coming: Doug Casey. This shows you the whole ange a lotta.
January 29, 2010 at 1:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Go to Utube Is Limited Government an oxymoron? You will enjoy this one.
January 29, 2010 at 2:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Right on, Irishinemporia. Bravo hogan77.
Where were all these party of no people all these years when this ship very nearly sank. Then there are those who will bitch but didn't even watch the speech.
And what about those real estate agents who went on a selling spree all during the bubble, and not one was posting "go to" messages on any forum in any state.
The biggest train wreck in history was the real estate bubble, but everybody kept riding that train, agents, buyers, sellers, buying houses, flipping houses, trading stocks, sinking more money than ever into retirement funds, becoming day traders even on their jobs, making equity loans, charging their lives away, etc. etc. etc.
No one mucked out the barn for eight long years. Now you blame the neighbors for not getting all the crap raked up in one year?
January 29, 2010 at 6:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
BREAKING NEWS
In case anyone is interested, here's a sub headline and part of this morning's headline news story in the Washington Post:
US economy grew at 5.7% annual rate in the fourth quarter, the highest rate of gross domestic product growth since 2003 and up from 2.2% in the third quarter.
[Did you see that? That's SINCE 2003. I don't know about you complainers, but my portfolio has been growing quite nicely in the past few months. In fact, I've been surprised at the last report I received. Now I know why.]
More from the Washington Post story...
The U.S. economy roared ahead in the final months of 2009, growing at its fastest rate in six years, as corporate America stopped slashing its inventories and again started to invest for the future.
[FASTEST RATE IN SIX YEARS!!!]
Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, rose at a 5.7 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter, the Commerce Department said Friday. That is the highest pace of growth since 2003, and it constitutes strong proof that the recession reached its end earlier in 2009. It was also a surprisingly positive result, well above the 4.6 percent rate of GDP growth forecasters had expected.
Here's the link. Notice I'm not telling you to "go to" anything.
You won't see this on FOX, but I do wonder how they will misconstrue this one.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
January 29, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I absolutely agree with irishemporia and Hogan77 .
It most always takes longer to fix something that has been broken by someone, especially if you don' t get much help in achieving the FIX .
Question, what Party was it that Bush belonged to ? And what Party is it that is again positioning itself for a hard run at regaining power over the Government /Country and do any of the Political Partys' or their candidates really care about anything or anyone, other than themselves and their cronies ?
January 29, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I still think people are morons for blaming all the problems of the country on one man(Bush) and expecting one man(Obama) to "fix" it. Giving one man(Obama) all the credit for the signs of recovery is also stupid. The U.S. presidency is not magic.
January 29, 2010 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
GDP, ShmeeDP ! the total dollar value of all goods and services produced over a specific time period doesn' t mean squat, unless it directly relates to jobs created and I have seen no substantial increase in jobs created in the past six years !
January 29, 2010 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Just keep all those cards and letters coming in!
January 29, 2010 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Just keep all those cards and letters coming in!
January 29, 2010 at 9:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Just keep all those cards and letters coming in!
January 29, 2010 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I see reddog is at it again lol. How about GO TO KB THOMAS real estate bubble, this is profound LOL!
Yeah its pretty hard to argue with the numbers in 4th quarter 2009, jobs always FOLLOW economic recovery. Interesting trend that Democratic Presidents tend to create private secotr better than their Republican counterparts:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-met...
I have had a wait and see attitude and been ripped for it, but the facts are Obama inherited the biggest mess in recent memory, and things are turning around, give it time.
January 29, 2010 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Goodoleboy
Things may be turning around but it just looks like too many ileagal u-turns to me.
January 29, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Expound please
January 29, 2010 at 10:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
They call it the HUE DEAN E RECOVERY. Go to Republic Broadcasting and listen on line. Watch free on line basketball games all over USA, go to channel surfing.
January 29, 2010 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Goodole boy
I was just being a smarta$$. I haven't been to happy of late with anything gov. has done in the past few years, no matter who's in charge. The ones in charge now are no better.
January 29, 2010 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
reddog (K. B. Thomas Jr.) says...
Wall Street Journal Jan. 29th,2010 Stocks hit roughest spell since early 2009. January's chilling effect on stocks could be signal for year ahead. This month is on track to record the biggest loss since the huge sell off of the market last February. History has proven since 1900 that when stocks go down in January that this is a worry sign for the rest of the year and as Paul Harvey says, And now you know the rest of the story and I'am round'n third and head'n home.
January 29, 2010 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
reddog
I always approach these forums as a buffet and when you are the only thing on the line my plate remains empty. :-)
January 29, 2010 at 6:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I admit that I watched President Obama's State of the Union Address from the moment he entered until he departed. I had predicted what he would say a few hours before he said it and I really think I'm psychic because I nailed it. Don't believe me? Here is my post:
Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on January 27, 2010 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder what Obama is going to say tonight. I will predict that he will say something like "The previous administration bent you over and since you are already in that position guess what is coming next." or words to that effect.
January 29, 2010 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
You might be "round'n third and head'n home" but that would be only because your playing on an empty field. Are you senile or something?
January 29, 2010 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
create,
Like you, my portfolio,( a very small one), has increased very well this last reporting period. But I'm not celebrating yet.
If the GDP rose this year, (2009), look at the drop last year, (2008) on your link. We are still below the losses of last year, only one way to go. It should also be remembered that the report is only the 2nd estimate out of three reports with the final one to come.
I don't want to be a constant complainer, that you mentioned but I don't see the economy improving much this year due to employment figures that are grossly under reported, credit tightening for businesses, the fed deficit and the fact that our public officials cannot or will not stop spending money they don't have.
Oh, if we had just invested in a few gold bars five years ago?
On another thread, you and biscuit have taken to task a poster as being hard, careless and heartless regarding children in need, (regarding school lunches).
What do you think we all, (our government) are doing today with our reckless ways?
Are we not endangering all of our children's futures to live a life better than us? Are we mortgaging their future to pay for our lifestyles?
January 30, 2010 at 8:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Steve....I think there are a million or more things that might be done to help correct this mortgaging of our children's future by politicians of all political persuasions. I don't believe giving a poor child a cheese sandwich while the other kids get fried chicken is one of them. And that's what it sounded to me like that other poster was suggesting. In fact she applauded a program in New Mexico that was doing just that.
January 30, 2010 at 8:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Some of the places where some of those changes could be made were in fact discussed on that thread aside from the New Mexico cheese or real food program. The discussion occurred on the Saving Haiti (probably inappropriately named) thread on the forum side for anybody that wants to know more about what Steve is referring to.
January 30, 2010 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Actually, create, it WAS reported on Fox as well.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/...
Back during the presidential campaign Pew Research Center did a study that showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative.
On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories -- a spread of 59 points.
Perhaps you're letting MSNBC cloud your mind ;-)
January 30, 2010 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Oh open_eyes......I think Rachel Maddow is so hot!!!!!
You go you MSNBC guys!!....:-)
January 30, 2010 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Thanks open_eyes. I like Rachel's attitude and her haircut too. Go Rachel!
Steve, I agree with Biscuit. What you are addressing with regard to our children's future doesn't even begin to compare to embarassing a child day after day after day by feeding him a peanut butter or cheese sandwich for lunch while his classmates get a full, hot lunch.
It is heartless and despicable to treat a child that way by punishing him just because his mother and father cannot afford to buy a lunch ticket. That's segregation. Exclusion! That is shameful.
That sort of treatment will guarantee one thing -- those children will get bullied by classmates and before long will hate school, perhaps even drop out.
Put a face on it. Say this happens to your child or grandchild. What then?
January 30, 2010 at 4:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
create...it's me biscuitboy that thinks Rachel is hot...not open_eyes. In fact he thinks I need my eyes checked for thinking that. There's no accounting for some people's taste....:-)
January 30, 2010 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I never said I didn't think she was hot. Just that Megyn Kelly at Fox is hotter ;-)
January 30, 2010 at 6:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
The lunch lady cashes her government pay check. The food that is prepared in the school is bought and paid for with a government check. At the end of the day the leftovers are thrown in the trash. The act of stopping what you are doing and making a peanut butter sandwich to humiliate a child in itself is fraud, waste and abuse. A government paid lunch lady who would do that should be sent to the unemployment line to find a different line of work. Megan Kelly is hot until she opens her mouth.
January 30, 2010 at 7:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
They are all hot till they open their mouth. Only difference is...... according to the latest polls on most trusted news outlets..... more people lose their favorable opinion of Maddox once she opens her mouth than of Kelly ;-)
January 31, 2010 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
You men! Must it always boil down to heat?
January 31, 2010 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
If you can't get any heat from your boiler it probably needs to be filled.
January 31, 2010 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
wait, what were we talking about?
January 31, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )