Pro-life vote
Virginia Pester - Emporia
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
This is about the U.S. Senate race between Todd Tiahrt and Jerry Moran. Both are after the pro-life vote.
Todd Tiahrt has a 100 percent pro-life voting record. He is endorsed by Kansans for Life, as he always has been. He is a “Pit Bull” when it comes to fighting tooth and toenail for the unborn. He is recognized by all of the national pro-life organizations for his work. He has been a regular speaker at the March for Life event held annually in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 22, which brings between 100,000 to 250,000 people for the cause of life. His wife, Vicki, always attends with him and often speaks.
Jerry Moran, on the other hand, went to the march last year and will probably be there again this year as he wants the pro-life vote, too.
Jerry Moran voted against parental consent for minors receiving abortions in the Kansas State Legislature twice. Kansans for Life is no longer endorsing Jerry Moran. They have called his efforts on the life issue “weak.” It appears he only votes pro-life to get the vote of pro-lifers and KFL is disullusioned with his efforts.
Many other issues concern me with Jerry Moran such as his refusals to cosign the marriage amendment which was signed by over 100 others. Once again his efforts in these issues appear “WEAK.”
Todd Tiahrt is a strong conservative and fights for the issues I care about. Kansas needs a strong senator. That is why I am voting for Todd Tiahrt.
Virginia Pester
Emporia
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goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Good for you! Glad your rant on one issue makes things so simple.
January 20, 2010 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FarmRaised (anonymous) says...
I agree, KFL is disullusioned
January 20, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Joe_Strummer (anonymous) says...
Virginia, my vote for Moran will cancel out your vote for Tiahrt.
January 20, 2010 at 2:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
Virginia,
Why is it any of your (or any of our) business what someone chooses to do with their own body? Why do you care about the unborn? Is it a religious thing or do you actually think you are helping the child? If it's a religious thing, why not mind your own business and let God worry about it? If you're just trying to help children, consider this. A lot of the time, the woman getting the abortion would be unable to properly care for the child or the child will be deformed/disabled somehow. Is it your hope to make sure all fertilized eggs are carried to term even if that means the child will be born into a world of poverty, abuse, suffering, and/or malnourishment? Is that really what is best for the child? Let’s see…give the kid an express ticket to heaven or a lifetime of suffering… hmmm…
Bottom line: it is NOT your right to tell someone what they can and can't do with their own body. What's next? I suppose you're going to tell me I can't have a vasectomy… Honestly, a woman of your age should know better! Shame on you. I guess some people don’t grow wiser with age; just more intolerant.
As for your "marriage amendment" remark... Is that really what you should be worried about? After all, gay couples physically can't create their own kids, so it sounds like that would be a perfect way to get some of those unwanted, un-aborted babies adopted. Why not allow gay couples to marry and adopt kids? Are you really filled with that much hate towards someone who doesn’t choose your lifestyle? How can you love unborn fetuses, but not your fellow man? It sounds to me that you just want to take as many rights away from others as possible. Remember when women weren't allowed to vote? Aren't you glad people like you weren't around to put a stop to that change? Again, it seems like your motive is religiously driven because the Bible says a man should be with a woman. Why not try thinking for yourself instead of letting a 2000 year old story tale govern your decisions.
Thank you, however, for informing me of both candidates’ “anti-choice” and “anti-freedom” tendencies. Neither will be getting my vote.
'enry
January 20, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, does your comment also apply to Henry now?
January 20, 2010 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gooseylucy (anonymous) says...
I'm with Joe Strummer. So that put's Jerry Moran in the lead (2-1). Seriously Virginia, there are so many other things that must be looked at before voting someone into office. You cannot and should not vote someone into office based on their stance on only two issues!!
January 20, 2010 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
But it appears Henry is also doing the same thing, gooseylucy.
January 20, 2010 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
open_eyes,
I understand how you might think that, but I assure you it’s not the case.
When our elected officials vote, they are supposed to think about what is best for society. It bothers me that people vote based on what they think is "right". "Right" is just a matter of opinion. People shouldn't vote on issues based on opinions that aren't backed by factual evidence on what is and isn't beneficial (or detrimental) to society. I think gay marriage and abortion are non-issues and should be allowed without requiring a vote. It seems unconstitutional that we can tell people how to live and how to treat their own bodies. Whatever happened to the "pursuit of happiness"? How does gay marriage harm society? How does abortion harm society? Any facts to back your opinion on the matter up? If it doesn't harm society, why not allow it?
I'm not voting for either of these chumps due to their selfish, misguided approach to representation which translates to their stance on EVERY issue not just one or two. This is what conservatives don’t understand. Obama is a great president because he doesn’t let his personal beliefs control his representation. He is (or was) a smoker, but he recognizes smoking is harmful to society. He seems to be religious, but he backs science and stem cell research and such. Conservatives, on the other hand, vote based on their PERSONAL beliefs; not on what is truly best for society.
So maybe Virginia and I are both voting on the big picture rather than their stance on 1 or 2 issues. Virginia wants to make sure her representative votes on everything based on his own personal beliefs and I want someone who’ll vote based on what is really best for everyone. Seems like my approach is more reasonable, but what do I know?
'enry
January 20, 2010 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lets_get_reasonable (anonymous) says...
Well Henry, for once I agree at least 95% with everything you just said. I'm on the fence when it comes to abortion. The points you made are valid and I definitely agree that people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies, but at the same time, there are so many families waiting to adopt.. some who never get the chance.. and abortion just decreases those chances even more. Now then.. when it comes to the marriage amendment, HELL YES I agree with you. I don't understand how people are still fighting this issue. It's just as prejudiced as when women weren't allowed to vote or when black people weren't allowed in public places alongside white people. What do we think now when we look back at those issues? We laugh at how ridiculous our reasons for it were.. we feel ashamed of how other human beings were treated simply because of their gender or the color of their skin. How is denying rights to gay couples any less ridiculous? Those who are against gay marriage are primarily against it due to their religious beliefs. Religion is supposed to be your personal belief, so keep it just that: personal. Besides, a huge message of the bible is to never judge one another, and to love every living creature on Earth. Those who want to deny two people the right to sanctify their love for each other, are simply missing the big picture.
January 20, 2010 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Henry, I have to commend your for the really nice job you did of trying to back up and cover your tracks on that one. Not bad.
However, there is alot of factual evidence out there of abortions being harmful to the person having them, both physically and psychologically, just as plenty of evidence going the other way. And plenty of evidence out there that the majority of abortions are purely elective, not for the reasons you gave above. You claim you back all your opinions with factual evidence but you deny any factual evidence that may give a person reason to vote the other way. There are plenty of facts both directions. If you believe in choice then you should also respect another's choice that does not agree with your own. I'm speaking purely the abortion issue here, not gay marriage.
Also, nowhere in Virginia's article did she mention religion in any way, shape or form. You brought that in all by yourself. So maybe these are just issues she cares about. For whatever reasons or facts she deems most important to her. Just because you deem what is best for society does not mean it truly is, just as what Virginia deems best for society may not be the correct choice. Hitler & Mao both deemed what was best for their societies but I think alot of people disagreed.
I think someone's personal beliefs should and usually do reflect what they think is really best for everyone. You are free to choose which person's personal beliefs align closest with your own.
January 20, 2010 at 3:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
lets_get_reasonable,
"Religion is supposed to be your personal belief, so keep it just that: personal. "
Very well said! (or typed)
open_eyes,
Thanks! I do try hard. :-P
You're right, Virginia didn't bring religion into it...that's why I ASKED what her beef was on these issues. Though I don't think she'll really answer here, so I'll never know... :`- (
'enry
January 20, 2010 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
If you google "studies abortion harmful" you will find it looks like about a 50/50 split of studies each claiming one side or the other. And each study trying to discredit the other sides.
Personally I know several people who have had abortions. A few couldn't care less. Some regret the decision greatly, and say that it haunts them to this day, and if they had it to do over again they would not have made that choice. So from my own experiences with people I know I would say there is factual truth to both sets of studies.
Late-term abortions is another good example. There are studies that tell us only a tiny handfull (in the 100's) are performed each year, and then only for dire emergency reasons. Yet (and this was discussed on the Tiller forum at length) Tiller himself stated he had performed thousands upon thousands, and people who used to work in his clinic testified most were for purely elective reasons. (Tiller's murderer was/is a criminal, let's not confuse that issue).
I also on that thread posted the wonderful video of the beautiful and talented young lady who had survived a late-term abortion. She had quite a bit to say about the subject. Of course she couldn't speak up about it until she was older. But in a caring and supportive society, isn't that what we're all supposed to do? Stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves? The poor, the sick, the hungry.... those that have no voice?
Anyway....... my point again, is: Who's point of view is factual? Who's is based on what is beneficial or detrimental to society? I'd say there's alot of evidence to say....... BOTH. So again....align your vote with those who align closest to which is most important to you.
January 20, 2010 at 4:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
HenryVIII
I also, am one who bases their vote on the, " Big Picture " or What or Who will inevitably do whats best for all the people and base their decision on knowing the facts and common sense and not just upon their allegiance to a certain individual, Religious beliefs or what someone with power and wealth wants .
January 20, 2010 at 4:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Open Eyes,
Clearly my sarcasm was lost on you, or are you just trying to pick a fight?
I'll say one thing though, try and deny that the majority of the Pro-Life crowd inherently draws their view points directly from religion. Thus indirectly forcing a religous belief on others, which is wrong. Bottom line, it's an individual choice, it's not up to us to judge.
January 20, 2010 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sociallyconsious (anonymous) says...
I have always been taught that when a persons heart is beating they are alive, and if it stops beating you die. So to say that an abortion does not affect anyone, is premature. Most women find out they are pregnant at 4-5 weeks. By this time, the baby has a heartbeat, or by simplest definition is alive. Since our society does not condone one person taking another persons life, why should we accept abortion? Does abortion not cross the line from life to death? With one person deciding who should live or die.
Although I do feel for the person who has an unwanted pregnancy, it still does not give them the right to take another persons life. There are times in all of our lives when the unexpected happen, and when it does, you just deal with it. There are other options which do not mean life and death to another person.
henryvii you ask if abortion harms society. No it may not harm you or me. However if the baby been born and was killed after childbirth, society would prosecute the person who killed it. No matter what your religous believes, our moral system says it is wrong and illegal to stop someones heart or kill them.
Personally I appreciated the article, thank you Virgina for the information on voting patterns. This is something I will consider when I vote.
I have some close friends who could not have a family without help. They thank the mother of their children daily for being a responsible adult and finding a diffferent option than abortion.
January 20, 2010 at 5:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I got the sarcasm, goodoleboy. I merely asked the question that gooseylucy then asked in a more direct manner. If we are to berate people for basing their vote for someone on one or 2 issues, in this case, abortion & gay marriage, then does it also apply to people like Henry that base their vote against someone for those same 2 reasons?
January 20, 2010 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
sociallyconsious,
Sperm cells (as well as an unfertilized egg) are technically alive are they not? Heck, sperm cells even move around by themselves. Do you condone the "death" of sperm that doesn't fertilize an egg in its lifespan? Not all living organisms have heartbeats (or even hearts), so your "simplest definition" of life is terribly flawed.
Fetuses rely on the host body to stay alive. Therefore, they really aren't separate living entities until the connection is severed. The host should have the right do decide if they want to terminate the parasitic organism.
'enry
January 20, 2010 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
And some people remain parasitic organisms long after birth.... ;-)
January 20, 2010 at 5:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I'm curious...With the extremely high unemployment rates, increasingly higher energy rates, budget shortfalls, school closings, infrastructure decay, absence of public transportation in rural communities, deflation of home values, unavailable credit of small businesses, crop prices not keeping up with the cost of production, undefended borders, illegal aliens, extraordinary costs of higher education and the ever dimming future for our grandchildren......Why focus on that one divisive issue?
January 20, 2010 at 6:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I have spent a good part of the last two days outlining my position on the abortion argument on the Big Government thread...and I am not about to rehash it all here...(followed by sighs of relief). After thirty years of arguing about it no body's mind is going to be changed now anyway.
Suffice it to say I will not be voting for Tiahrt because of his stand on abortion, marriage, and virtually everything else he stands for. But all of you who read these boards regularly already knew that. :-)
January 20, 2010 at 6:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Look what we have to choose from.
On the right, we have a man who listens to you and nods his head and smiles.
On the left, we have a man who listens to you and smiles and nods his head?
One of them will represent us in Washington. Neither will play hardball or risk embarrassment by standing out. Both will just blend in and go with the flow. Our district will get whatever the representatives from other districts give us and both candidates will pat themselves on the back and take credit for "Bringing Home the Bacon" and "Trimming Fat" all at the same time. Flip a coin and get it over with.
January 20, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tosie (anonymous) says...
I agree with Henry....abortion is a choice that women should have - it only affects them, not everyone else. It doesn't affect me or anyone else, which is why people should mind their own business. It is a personal matter and I would rather have someone have an abortion than me paying for their welfare. Go ahead....let me have it pro life people....it won't change my beliefs.
January 20, 2010 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
And then people ask why so few people actually turn out and vote on election day...like it really makes any difference. On the one hand....you got the other hand...and vice versa.
January 20, 2010 at 7:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
open_eyes, truly liked your last post!!!!
But Biscuitboy, if you get out and vote, at least you have a little say as to what hand!!!! ( I know, very little!!!)
January 20, 2010 at 8:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
This has already been ruled on. The Supreme Court has weighed the arguments and determined that it is against our nations constitution for the states to pass draconian laws that interfere with the right of an individual to choose. Agree or disagree it is the law of the land. If any person believes that their civil rights have been violated as a result of the law I would encourage you to ask the courts to redress your grievances. Abortion isn't something that a Congressman in the US House of Representatives can do much about so Abortion is a non-issue in this race.
The Fourteenth Amendment says: No State shall…deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Having different abortion laws in various states keeps poor women in states with restrictive laws from having access to abortions, while wealthier women can travel elsewhere to have a legal and safe abortion.
The First Amendment says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Fourth Amendment says: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated….
The Fifth Amendment says: No person shall…be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself….
The First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments also apply to the States. Though these Amendments do not mention the right of privacy, privacy is fundamental to the exercise of the rights that are explicitly mentioned. As such, privacy is protected by the penumbras of the First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments.
The Ninth Amendment says: The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The Framers did not want the Bill of Rights to be an all-inclusive list of the rights that people in the United States have. The Ninth Amendment says that people retain other rights that are not explicitly listed in the Constitution. Among these rights may be the right to privacy, which would include freedom of choice in the basic decisions of one’s life.
The use of the word “person” in the U.S. Constitution as it was drafted does not include a fetus. Thus, the Fourteenth Amendment cannot be construed to protect the unborn.
As a pregnancy progresses, the interest of the state in protecting the health of the mother and the life of the fetus becomes more “compelling.”
If a state wants to legislate rules regarding abortion they may as long as the law doesn't violate our constitutional rights as Americans.
January 20, 2010 at 9:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kira002 (anonymous) says...
tosie, I have to disagree with you that abortion only affects one person. What about the grandparents who lose that grandchild? The aunt or uncle who will never meet that niece or nephew? The father who loses his child? Whatever the circumstances, it's not just the mother who is impacted by abortion.
That said, I do agree with koalemos: the Supreme Court has ruled and nearly 40 years of debate has yet to overturn that decision. It doesn't make me happy, but I recognize that the chances of a new ruling in my lifetime are slim to none, so I quit using a candidate's pro-life stance as a major indicator of who gets my vote. It's still a factor, but much lower on the list than other things like education, environment, taxation, and fiscal responsibility. My family is not happy about that, but the realist in me prefers to focus on things that can be changed.
January 20, 2010 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
koalemos and kira002
Both of you have combined two disparate thought patterns and come up with the real problem with candidates like Tiahrt. He knows exactly what koalemos is talking about......and recognizes what kira002 says is true. That is that he has the proverbial snowball's chance in hell of affecting any change on this issue in the near future. So why as he invested all of this time and energy into becoming "the proverbial pitbull for the rights of the unborn"?
Because it is a hot button issue that is guaranteed to garner him a significant number of votes...and his failure to deliver any real change will not be held against him. He after all is still out there fighting the good fight. Meanwhile, what the rest of us end up with is an elected official that produces nothing of any real value to us and is little more than a sham.
I certainly respect kira002's ability to recognize there are other important areas that must be dealt with also.....areas where real change can be possible....even though she/he wishes he could succeed. Much more intelligent than wasting your vote on an ineffective candidate fighting a losing cause.
January 21, 2010 at 3:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
For those of you who are against abortions, are against using tobacco and alcohol products, and whatever else your Minister rails against on Sunday, here's a novel idea for you.
Don't do any of the above, teach your kids not to do any of them, then MYOB!
January 21, 2010 at 7:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I agree neighbor......seems so simple to me.
If it doesn't feel right to you don't do it. Let the rest of us decide for ourselves.
January 21, 2010 at 7:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Absolute (anonymous) says...
Let's keep government out of women's wombs and out of individual's consensual relationships. What is that line? Oh yes, "Don't tread on me".
January 21, 2010 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The tolerant are so intolerant it seems.
January 21, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
A lot of the pro abortion people were for the smoking ban and a lot of us pro life people were against it. Just thought I'd point that out since some paint us with such a broad brush (neighbor).
January 21, 2010 at 9:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks,
The smoking ban is not comparable to abortion rights. The smoking ban only banned smoking in places where it would harm others. Someone who smokes outside is only affecting their own body just as an abortion only affects the person having it. Both should be allowed as long as it doesn't harm others. Why do want to allow people to harm others with SHS, but you don't think a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body? Seems inconsistent to me.
If abortions harmed others against their will, I could see how you might have a point. (but that ain't the case) Next I suppose you’ll be telling women they can’t cut their hair, get implants, get a tattoo, or pierce their ears. It’s part of their body, so it’s their choice. It's funny how some people are SO against government intrusion until it's something they agree with.
The conservatives say, "You can't tell me what to do! I'll carry guns and smoke wherever I want!...but please stop gays from getting married and women from having abortions. They don't deserve rights like us God-fearin’ rednecks do."
I despise hypocrites.
'enry
January 21, 2010 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Abortion affects the person being aborted, against their will.
January 21, 2010 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
We all despise hypocrites. Problem is, most people have a hard time recognizing it in themselves at times. Me included.
January 21, 2010 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks,
Please define "person".
Do you mean a collection of cells inside someone's body? Is my appendix a "person" then? My sperm cells have the potential of becoming a separate person…are they "people"?
There is a reason we use different terminology for the development stages prior to birth.
Sperm/Egg
Zygote
Blastocyst
Embryo
Fetus
Baby(person)
Only after the birth, when the cells can survive independently outside the body, does it become a "person". Why do you think we celebrate birthdays instead of conception days? It’s not really a separate entity while still attached to (or inside) the mother. Birthdays are significant because that is when you truly become a singularity and an individual person deserving the rights as such. Prior to becoming a person, you aren’t afforded the rights, privileges, or responsibilities all other persons share.
Why, you might ask, can a criminal get charged with 2 counts of murder when they kill a pregnant woman. Well, that’s because it was ended against the woman’s will. In those cases, the fetus likely would have been brought to term to become a "person", so the criminal deserves extra punishment for taken that woman’s right to chose away. If you are "pro-life" you are also taking the woman’s right to chose away.
'enry
January 21, 2010 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I agree with sociallyconsious on this.
January 21, 2010 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I am totally against abortion. I am also against the circumstances that cause a woman to believe that aborting the pregnancy would be better than having the child. It is those circumstances that our elected officials in the legislature can do something about. Poverty, helplessness, addiction, crime, child abuse, ignorance and fear for the future are just some of the problems that lead the scared little girl to the abortion clinic. Address the causes of abortion and there will be fewer abortions. That said, the Supreme Court didn’t say a woman had a right to abort a pregnancy. They said an American had a right to privacy and that the state had no compelling reason to violate that right in the case of a decision of this medical procedure during the first two trimesters but after the sixth month the state has a more compelling reasons to get involved. After all, six months into the pregnancy the child is a viable human being and deserves the same rights as you or I.
Now, let’s elect a representative who will ensure there is affordable housing, employment, education, clean water, clean air, access to medical care, safe roads and bridges, and freedom to enjoy the pursuit of happiness for us and all including the ones yet to be born.
What was our choice again?
January 21, 2010 at 11:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks,
How do you know when a jellyfish is alive or dead? What about trees? Skin cells? Sperm? Bacteria?
'enry
January 21, 2010 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
koalemos,
Are you against every form of birth control? Sometimes people just don't want kids, you know? Is it a crime to not want kids? No, it's a choice. Abortion is just another form of birth control. It's not your place to make my choices for me.
Conventional birth control isn't 100% effective, so in the event that the unthinkable should happen, it's nice to know we can still opt-out.
Question: Do you think it should be illegal for a woman to take prescription drugs, work(physical labor), smoke tobacco, or drink alcohol while pregnant? If so, what gives you the right to tell her how to live?
'enry
January 21, 2010 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Yeah....but seriouslyfolks, some of us pro-choice people were also against the smoking ban...me for one. To me the issue was the same on both....the individuals right to chose.....no hypocrisy here.
The fetus however has no right to chose.....even if it had the ability to make a choice.....because it is not yet a separate entity from its mother so its right to chose is part and parcel of hers.
I think it is ironic that many of the same people who want to deny the mother the right to chose because of their claim that her choice denies the fetus's right to chose....then become the same people that deny giving the sick and elderly the right to chose death.
It seems the only entity that has a right to chose that need protecting in their eyes...is also the only one that is literally incapable of making that choice. But upon reflection that may not be so ironic after all. That one is then the only one that leaves them free to make the choice the way they want it to be made. So I guess there is no hypocrisy there either is there.
January 21, 2010 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
I believe that abortion is either a medical, religious or personal issue. I don't feel that it should be brought into politics, period. Do I personally feel abortion is right? NO. However, I respect the fact that as women, we have the right to choose what we do to our bodies. I kind of look at it this way...
I am a mother. I chose to carry my daughter full term, even though it was hard on my already morbidly obese body. And from the day she was born, I have had the right to raise her as I see fit, to make choices for her. No matter if they are good or bad, they were my choice. I wouldn't want anyone to take that right away from me- I would no longer be a mother if this were to happen. This is why I feel that each woman should have the right to choose. If it ends in abortion, she will eventually face the music when she meets her maker.
I feel abortion is wrong. I believe that each "baby" (as there are many terms for an unborn child) should have the opportunity to be born, to live life, to become someone. I can no longer have children, so when someone says they are having an abortion I want to scream. I will never again get that chance to have a child. As someone who is infertile, I would give anything to raise that child as my own.
Now, back to the subject at hand. As I said, I don't feel that abortion issues should be in politics. Let the politicians worry about all those other things we have no control over.
January 21, 2010 at 12:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
What's with all the why don't you mind your own business remarks here? Isn't Virginia allowed an opinion?
Henry and etal pro or con.
A poll here
Do you believe in (support) capital punishment?
Do you believe in (support) euthanasia?
By the way I happen to agree with Virginia but I don't subscribe to the fact that it is necessarily religion driven.
Regardless of what you think Henry people don't always agree with what the church they attend subscribes to, besides the fact that Virginia never once brought up religion.
You are the one that jumped on that band wagon. As usual
January 21, 2010 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
tbluma
Do you think it is right to deny the mothers right to chose....
....to deny the elderlys right to chose death...
...and then support the rights of a fetus to make a choice it is incapeable of making?
January 21, 2010 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
HenryVIII, I'm for the right to privacy.
Anyone who believes the government has a right to violate a person’s privacy, don't get angry when they kick your door down. After all, with a mindset like yours, it really isn’t your door anyway so you have no right to close it.
January 21, 2010 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Biquit
If an elderly person says unplug me I agree. (living will or whatever)
If the elderly person isn't given the choice I disagree.
In a lot of cases the elerly person isn't capable of making that choice (same as a fetus).
I would have to agree with others here I really don't think it makes any difference what I believe, I don't think the law is going to change.
But Virginia,myself and others are entitled to our opinion.
January 21, 2010 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Poll answers
Capitol Punishment.....Yes...but only when the state can guaruntee me that it will never execute an innocent person....not until.
Euthanasia....No......not unless tied to Right to Die
Right to Die....Yes
Right to chose.....Yes...until the third trimester...from then on only with strict limitations.
January 21, 2010 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
We're pretty close here bisquit, I just don't see much differnce between 1st & 3rd trimester. Still alive just 6 months older.
January 21, 2010 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
A person has the right to go to a doctor. Why they go to the doctor is nobody's business. It is called the right to medical privacy. We have laws that prohibits the doctors, nurses, records custodians and anyone else from releasing that medical information unless there is compelling reason to release it. Since pregnancy is not contagious, there is no reason for anyone to know that diagnosis except the patient and the doctor. If the pregnancy is terminated either by natural causes or by choice, it is still nobody's business.
January 21, 2010 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
Well Reggie, aka seriously, I was responding to Mrs Pester's article, the lady who has for the last 20 plus years in her multiple Gazette Wails or People Speak articles against abortion which have included bible verses or religious references to support her side of the issue. The Gazette has since banned such references or they would have been in this article. I assure you that her crusade is religion driven. She has the right to her opinion, as do the rest of us by responding to her. If you recognized yourself in my comment, that's your problem. My stances remains the same, tend to your own body and I'll decide for mine.
I don't care for abortions, I wish they were not needed. No one in my family has had one, nor do I suspect will they, but I'll be danged if I'll support allowing the government to decided for anyone what medical procedure can or cannot be done to their body. You included me in the pro-abortion group in your response ASSUMING that I was. Who is painting now?
January 21, 2010 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Is the Anti-Abortion faction religious or religion driven ?
To answer this and other questions regarding Religion/Regilious beliefs, one must first know exactly what Religion is . Perhaps the following sites may help with that, http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionar..., http://www.bing.com/reference/semhtml...
January 21, 2010 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I wasn't going to go out and vote this time around because it is kind of like flipping a coin with these two candidates. Both are career politicians and both are too conservative for my likings so to me it really doesn't matter which one wins...But after reading this authors story...I'm inspired to go to the polls and vote for Jerry Moran. Thanks Virginia! I haven't felt this motivated in weeks.
January 21, 2010 at 5:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
There is little doubt in my mind that the anti-choice movement is first and foremost a religious movement. It always has been. That's not to say that there aren't some people who are anti-choice that don't base it on religious grounds but my guess is they are a distinct minority.
What I don't understand is their reluctance to come right out and own up to what is obviously true. Oh wait...I forgot....Maybe it goes back to...." Congress shall enact no laws pertaining to the establishment of a religion.....". Sorry!
January 21, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I agree koalemos.....I too had no intention of voting on this one but now I think I shall.
January 21, 2010 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
tbluma.....
When you and I come close it is a noteworthy event...and I certainly agree with you that Ms Pester has as much right to her opinion as anyone. But as you point out the major thing that keeps us apart here is a time span of six months...but that six months just as well be six hundred years because it is the very core of the abortion debate. You say it's still alive, just six months older......I say it is not alive until it can live outside the womb on its own. So that six month difference makes us galaxies and light-years apart. :-(
January 21, 2010 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I don't even think pro-abortion or anti - abortion are relevant terms in this discussion. Myself and several others responding here have made it clear we have strong negative opinions about abortions......especially as a means of birth control. That would then make us anti- abortion in my world. But those same people have also expressed their belief that it is a woman's choice......at least until the third trimester. So boda boom--boda bing now we are pro-abortion. Same people.....both pro and anti abortion.
That works for me......but you can't be pro choice and against choice....that doesn't work.
January 21, 2010 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
It appears there are about as many people who will get out and vote against a candidate based almost solely on their views on abortion as those who will vote for a candidate based solely on their views on abortion. Including people that weren't even going to vote at all beforehand.
And that candidate will be unable to effect any change to the existing abortion law.
Interesting.
January 21, 2010 at 8:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Maybe because they want a candidate that will spend his time working for other needed improvements not waste it all fighting a battle he has little or no chance of winning. Are you suggesting open-eyes that we should be satisfied with leaders that don't lead.....and representatives that don't represent because they are there with one special axe to grind.
That sounds like looking at things with one eye closed.....:-)
January 22, 2010 at 3:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
religion, a system of thought, feeling, and action that is shared by a group and that gives the members an object of devotion; a code of behavior by which individuals may judge the personal and social consequences of their actions; and a frame of reference by which individuals may relate to their group and their universe.
That definition was taken from a larger body of work on the link methusla provided above. It sounds to me like it fits the anti-choice people to a tee...and could almost make the movement a religion unto itself.
The link incidentally was an interesting read about different types and organization of religious belief. It also probably gave me a better definition as to my own belief structure. What probably describes me better than atheist or agnostic is Pantheist. A person who holds our planet and the universe in reverence. A person who believes God exist in...and is part of everything. That we are God just as everything else around us is God. But God is not supernatural....God is nature (natural).
January 22, 2010 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
akamai
Vote early--vote often....I like that aka....lol
January 22, 2010 at 6:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Everyone DOES have a choice.
The choice to follow your own personal convictions and beliefs.
Have our elected officials abused our right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness to win elections?
That is why when it comes to the choice of Moran and Tiahrt I am writing in "NONE OF THE ABOVE".
I refuse to keep voting for the lesser of two evils.
January 22, 2010 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Steve
I love your sentiment...and agree with it.....but!!!!!
And you knew there would be a but. :-)
If i write in none of the above...what it will do is help insure a victory by what I consider the greater of two evils...Tiahrt....because his core constituency (KFL) will vote for him no matter what. So then how I vote....(NONE OF THE ABOVE or the lessor of two evils).... becomes a moral quandary that boils down to the lessor of two evils also.
January 22, 2010 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
Just write in Corbin.
January 22, 2010 at 8:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
It's not anti choice to be against murder. I believe abortion is murder. Am I also anti choice because I don't believe people should be allowed make the choice to go into someone elses house and take whatever they please?
People that plan to and carry out a scheme to stop someones heart from beating are the truly anti choice people because they take away every future choice of the murdered individual.
I was thinking about whether or not a baby in the womb makes choice and came to the conclusion that they do. If you've ever seen a sonogram you know that they must. They choose to move their little limbs or try to stretch out. These obviously aren't involuntary spasms or something like that, they seem to be very deliberate. Could they make the choice of whether or not they want to be aborted/murdered? Of course not. But neither can someone who is sleeping.
This whole debate is getting really old, the same people making the same statements and asking the same questions not really wanting to know the answers. The law is the law and it's not going to change. I don't know why people are so worried about Roe v. Wade getting overturned it's not going to happen. What's sad(besides the dead babies) is that people get blasted for even expressing their disagreement for it and are told that their beliefs have no place in government so basically they should not be represented. Freedom of expression? Not for you. Taxation without representation? Yeah.
January 22, 2010 at 9:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
No...... again I'm just amused by the irony of those that immediately berate those that appear to vote based on 1 or 2 issues..... and then do the exact same thing themselves. Despite their attempts to explain it away. (I'm sure they can use the exact same argument to claim it is based on more than that also.) If there is no chance of changing the law I don't see that they will be wasting any of their time down that avenue Perhaps the person apparently voting on 1 or 2 issues also aligns much closer with the candidates other views and policies as well.
Maybe you only listened to what I wrote with one ear ;-)
January 22, 2010 at 9:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I am not debating or arguing this issue, as I have said that I will not, however, ( I know, I know, create, here I go again ), I would like to pose a question.
There are a number of people who believe that abortion is " Murder " and say they are against " Murder " .
Therefore my question is, how do those people who are against " Murder " and say they believe abortion is " Murder ".. feel about the premeditated, wanton " Murder " of those who perform the so called " Murder by Abortion " and how do you feel about the commandment " Thou shalt not kill " ?
I am not debating or argueing, just curious that's all .
January 22, 2010 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I was hopeful that the sites I posted about religion would be of interest to people and cause some objective thinking and thought about themselves and what they believe or believe in, when it comes to religion and what religion may actually be .
Sometimes when a person knows the exact meaning of a word they use, it may cause them to re-think their perception of themselves and others .
January 22, 2010 at 10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Methusla,
biscuit asked a similar question to yous in another thread. Here was my response. I hope t answers your question.
Posted by seriouslyfolks (anonymous) on January 20, 2010 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm pretty sure that everyone on here came out very strongly against the murder of Dr. Tiller so I don't know who you want to answer your question based on the way it was presented.
Politicians don't commit murder by sending troops to war. Soldiers don't commit murder by following orders or defending themselves. If someone plotted to take the life of a politician or a soldier because they believed they had the moral high ground to do so that would be murder just like it was with the murder of Dr. Tiller. I have a law book with a pretty good definition of murder, here it is "if a (person) acts with premeditation against (a person), to kill him by treachery". This is what we call premeditated murder.
January 22, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
neighbor,
Don't write in corbin, I can't take any more pay cuts.
NONE OF THE ABOVE would win it if people stopped putting up with the lessor of two equals and demanded viable candidates from their parties. Term limits would go a long way in helping this become a reality.
Does anyone on here think the election in Mass. Tuesday will really change anything?
Short term Yes, but long term?
January 22, 2010 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
I too am tiring of the subject for now. I tried to get something started on the floss your teeth thread this morning. I felt certain is was something we all could really get our teeth into so to speak. But nobody really seemed to see the relevance of the discussion so were back once again to a moot point issue that a lot of people don't think is really a moot point issue they just want us to think that it is so they then can elect enough others that also don't think it is a moot point issue to where it won't be a moot point issue any more and they can get the law changed again while the rest of us are doing something else because we thought it was a moot point issue when it really wasn't a moot point issue after all. Or something like that.
January 22, 2010 at 12:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I actually sorta followed that. :-) lol
January 22, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwYpS...
mooooooooooo
January 22, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Steve, I believe it has been proven that you don't need to take a "pay cut"- do both at the same time, maybe even governor.
open_eyes, I truly agree with you and that many have their "eyes_closed" when passing judgement. I am very much against abortion and the breakdown of society for doing so. A number like to say "yes" freedom of choice but what about the baby and the effect it has on society. I had heard for years of what abortion does to the "fetus", especially Saline (salt) solution, is not pretty!! On one hand, society wants to say "Why Yes! that is OK but then concerning other topics, that is wrong. As many have pointed out, abortion DOES have an affect not only on the aborted child but the woman who has chosen to do so, more down the road have said that they wished they never had. I am terrible at posting ref. sights, have tried to do so unsuccessfully. We need to give these women other "choices" and feel the state is doing so by saying a woman can take a baby under a set amount of weeks and leave with no recourse on that person. We, as a society in the new health care plan want to give "free" abortions, why don't we give "free" birth!!! I do know that as the mother of an adopted child that we paid the mothers/babies hospital bill. We need to let these young women know that there are other options then "abortion"!
January 22, 2010 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
See...it's all a moot point that really isn't a moot point.....or was that a mooo point?
January 22, 2010 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Steve
I read on the internet yesterday that the Massachusetts election turned out that way because Rush Limbaugh had signed a pact with the devil so he could derail the health care reform bill. It sounds kinda far-fetched to me....but then it was right there on the internet.
Kinda like all that stuff about where Obama was born...and you know he never did offer any proof that they were wrong. I'm waiting now to see if Rush will offer any proof that he didn't join in a pact with the devil to defeat health care reform. Come on Rush...stop this rumour about you and the devil with a little proof....that's all we really want.
January 22, 2010 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stryker1_25 (anonymous) says...
The liberal stench of this conversation makes me sick to my stomach.
First of all, I wish you pro-choicers would call yourselves pro-abortionists. Because that's really what you are. You're for the killing of innocents strictly on the basis of whether or not the parents could afford them. So i guess that makes all poor people expendable in your book doesn't it? Why not give the child a chance to become successful anyways? Why isn't adoption immediately considered? You'd rather kill them I suppose, perhaps for some stem cells to cure your AIDS or whatever.
Then you're for the killing of the innocents if they're not genetic specimens like yourselves. Any kind of abnormality, physically or mentally, and they're toast. So that makes the physically and mentally disabled expendable in your book too. You're killing future tax payers. Tax payers that will pay for your medicare when you're 90 years old (and disabled and mentally unstable).
And you simply write off any kind of religious motive behind it as intolerance and ignorance. Guess what? You're being intolerant to the religious too because you write off their opinions simply based on their religious views. So you can quit it with that "intolerance" nonsense. You're not even tolerating human life.
Jesus is my God. I'm not ashamed to say it at all. I'm also not ashamed to say that, yeah, He's the reason I won't stand for abortion or gay marriage. I actually have a moral compass. And don't think for one moment I hate pro-abortionists and gays. Jesus commands me to love you too.
And if you want a non-religious reason to oppose abortion and gay-marriage it's this: Neither do anything to further the human race, they only hinder it.
-Mike Langley
January 22, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Kill the babies, save the whales! Vote democrat!
January 22, 2010 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Mike
Thank you very much for your opinion. Enjoyed reading it.
I must however take exception to your religious motives are based on intolerance and ignorance statement. What religious motives are based on is largely irrelevant to me. What is relevant to me are groups like the anti-choice people that want to pass laws that force me to adhere to their religious principles.
Anti-choice...pro-abortion.....you call it what you want.....I'll call it what I want. You don't get to dictate terminology.
I do know how you feel about wanting to puke when I have to listen to some people's rants....in fact, I felt that way a few minutes ago......:-)
January 23, 2010 at 3:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
January 23, 2010 at 4:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Birth is the very first step on a long road to dying.
- Preston Monroe
January 23, 2010 at 4:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Mike, very nicely written and so very true. Yes! biscuitboy, I have felt the same way when I've read some of your post, for they are many times so negative concerning life, under the title of "pro-choice".
Concerning God, I believe create stated what she had heard, that there is only one God, but many paths to the same God. This is great, for doesn't matter which faith you are, BUT your belief in God. Some have stated that his word is two thousand years old, Yes! but if you took the time to read you would realize that yes, time wise but it still holds true today and predicts our future for no other written word has done so, word by word. So therefore, if you desire to call those of us who are anti-abortion "religious nuts" I can accept that, for I would rather be on that path then yours.
January 23, 2010 at 6:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
sandman
Now I may pound you...but I will try not to.
Of all the non-believers or skeptics that post on these boards, I believe that I stand alone in my tolerance of religion and my respect for the right of believers to practice their beliefs as they see fit. What I do not respect is the right of anybody, religious or otherwise, to force their beliefs on to me by virtue of law or sheer numbers.
But I have always expressed my respect for your right to have your opinion as much or more than that respect has been reciprocated back to me. stryker1_25's post was filled with attacks not only on my beliefs.....but even negative insinuations about me and others that don't agree with him. And yet you respond "Very nicely written and so true" . It was nothing but an intolerant attack on my thoughts beliefs and even on me...ie..."some stem cells to cure your aids'''.......
Then you turn right around and attack my intolerance. Get real.
Incidentally.......I challenge you to find one single instance where I have referred to Christians as a whole religious nuts...one instance...you won't be able to do it. I have at time said some individuals claiming to be Christians were nuts.....and I have said some ideas were nutty. But I have never called all Christians nuts. In fact...it has however happened in reverse with some regularity
January 23, 2010 at 8:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dick (anonymous) says...
Great move on the Lyon County Commissioners approving to purchase three new vehicles out of town from Bozarth's Motors. Bozarth sure pays taxes to Lyon now don't they. You three dip sticks.
January 23, 2010 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Well for over fifty thousand dollars I would certainly hope the three Impalas had dip sticks. I mean pay that much money for three new Impalas then have to buy three dip sticks. Why those Bozarth guys ought to be ashamed of themselves. But what about that pact with the devil Bozarth guys?....What about that?
January 23, 2010 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
But what does dipstick cheating devil guys have to do with my being an aids-infested intolerant guy that likes to kill babies and other people with disabilities and calls people religious private parts....Huh?
January 23, 2010 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
stryker1_25
First of all, let me say emphatically, I am neither pro-abortion nor pro-life. I am first and formost PRO-RIGHTS .
This means that I am for the " Right " of everyone to choose/decide for themselves what they can, cannot or should, should not be able to do concerning their own bodys and lives, without being forced to do what others decide what they/we should or should decide to do with/to their own bodies or lives, based on someone elses beliefs, etc..
Mr. Langely . Exactly how many of these unwanted children that would be born into the world, if not for abortion, would you or would you, be willing to take into your home and life and support, with effort and money and raise, lovelingly.. educate, etc., for 20 or 25 years or until they were able to stand, survive and thrive on their own, without help from anyone, including public assistance ?
Or better yet how many of the non-aborted babies, that were not wanted and have been thrown into the turmoil of being thrown into the public care system have you or any one who is against abortion, personally adopted or taken in and cared for or would even be willing to personally adopt, take in and care for ?
This will be the longest statement I will make on this issue.
I am not debating or arguing the Abortion or Pro-Life Stances. Only stating my opinion ! Thank, You and have a nice day.
January 23, 2010 at 10:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
dip sticks are used to check the oil in engines
having oil in engines is good
oil makes the engine parts all slickery
that way they don't rub each other the wrong way
sometimes on these forums we need to be more slickery
January 23, 2010 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
methusla,
don't forget your keys
January 23, 2010 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
Wow, I just stumbled across this sight and thinks it's a bunch of peeple that can talk so I thaught I'd drop in an be friends wit you all. maebe we could hang out and talk about art or interpretive dance over a bagel or somesing. I am good conversationalist cuz I went to Cornell Univurcity is a private university located in Ithaca, New York, USA, that is a member of the Ivy League. So my credentials are the tops. SPARKY DON"T EAT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAD DOG!!!! BAD DOG! I think you like tha link remines me of
http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-int...
January 23, 2010 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Slickery is good!
January 23, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Radio Ga Ga
Internet argument #10
January 23, 2010 at 10:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Slickery is the best!
January 23, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy, Are you saying that I did'nt study pastronomy at Cornell Univurcity is a private university located in Ithaca, New York, USA, that is a member of the Ivy League an the hence forth becam an astronot? I not sure want to share a bagel with you. PLEASE DON"T GO!!! I"M SORRY!! I DIDN"T MEAN IT!!!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Actually I originally thought stryker1_25's remarks were so over the top I thought he might have been being sarcastic. I had to go back and read through the history of his post to realize that he probably meant every word.
January 23, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy, Good Afternoon!!!! First, it was my understanding that the statement concerning "Aids" was in general since it had been mentioned concerning both abortion and gay marriages, NOT directed towards you. Second, my agreement was concerning abortion, which is what we have been discussing for sometime and like you, I'm tired! Yes, we are ALL entitled to our opinion and most likely will stay "stedfast" in that belief. Third, my statement was not an attack on YOU but some of the statements that you've made concerning abortion, please reread. Fourth, believe I have stated MANY times how much I've enjoyed you and others, even though I may not always agree. Fifth, please feel free to "stomp", I'm a big girl and can handle,as many times I've said I wanted to "wring your neck"!!! Sixth, Gay, will NOT go there! I feel that is a decision that an ADULT has made unlike abortion for the child didn't have a choice to live. Seventh, generally judging, which I try very hard not to do for I truly feel we live in a community that does that very well on their own! In returning to "singlehood" am amazed at some of the remarks I hear and the people that make them who have absolutely no proof but "hearsay". Eighth, Biscuitboy, Thank You for not stomping, it was appreciated!!! Nineth, because I selected NOT to speak concerning "Gay",(and why) no I am not, VERY much heter even tho I have elected to just be "single" for present. A choice I have made which is correct for ME at this time BUT one never knows what the future may hold down the road. Have a good day, all! Now, biscuitboy, stomp away!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
No sandman.......I am good with that.
My disgust initially was with the tone and tenor of what stryker said more that what he said. After all, he said nothing that hadn't already been said before by others seeking the repeal of Roe V Wade. And though much of it was misleading if not wrong....it was the attacking, nasty and mean-spirited way he said it that I found most offensive. And his little caveat at the end about Jesus "commanding" him to love me was nothing more than crap.
Then sandman responds....."Mike, Very nicely written and so true." In my opinion the truth was very debatable and it was not at all nicely written. That followed by the insinuation that it was me that was somehow out of line here set up my response to you. Fortunately, or maybe unfortunately, I had very little time to write that response to you...already being late to some place I had to be....or it would have been worse.
You have every right to your opinion and belief as it applies to this or any issue. I had always been more tolerant of that to you than stryker ever was to me...and that was the basis of my anger at you. We might all at times be a little more careful about how quickly we jump to agree with somebody that shares our views. Sometimes how something is said is just as important as what is said.....a lesson I keep having to learn over and over again my self.
January 23, 2010 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Biscuitboy, I just sat down and the screen came up with your statement concerning "calls people religious private parts"- say, guy, you do realize that there are other type of nuts then the male anatomy and if using that term in that matter, it is purely "slang"? Believe I hit the right button before, got a rise out of you!!! I always enjoy when you talk dirty to me!!!! :-)
Now laugh! (I am!!)
January 23, 2010 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I thought that was kinda funny myself...glad you also saw the humor in it. :-)
January 23, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
yes, biscuitboy, I deserved the "talkin" to and you are correct concerning "watching what we agree with"- as I said my mind was/is on abortion and believe me, I'm tired of that subject. As with most subjects, we as adults are usually "set" in our beliefs and "why" we have them.
Say, got my car back last week, running. They had to put a "used" transmission in, woe was me!!! Feel I must get rid of her in the next few months. My son called from Chicago this AM, found a dealer in KC that has a BMW (07-328i Sedan)with 20,000 miles. He checked Blue Book and they are below. Has everything, even a built in GPS, yippee!!!!! What do you think?? Want to go car shopping??? Now remember, I will need to run her some on gravel. My car has been great on gravel and unlevel road, I've never owned a BMW and not sure how it would be. Go to "AutoTrader", they have posted 27 pictures.
January 23, 2010 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
If we were to create all the laws that people like stryker, sandman, open_eyes and other conservatives scream for, the same posters would scream about the taxes that is required to create a government agency to enforce the laws and they would scream about the waste of money spent on the new prisons that would be required once "their" vision of right to life is finally realized. Draconian law leads to draconian measures. Google "final solution"
January 23, 2010 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
It must be difficult having so many user accounts and try so hard to make things so unslickery.
January 23, 2010 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks said: "the smart is made stupid and the stupid becomes smart" or sumthin like that so it surprises me that he is surprised but then again I am named after the ancient Greek god of ignorance and foolishness (desktop computer) the laptop got a different name. We haven't named the smart phone yet. Maybe go with a more "independent" title there. Rule 5.1 (smileyface)
just joking...no really...joking...lol
January 23, 2010 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
koalanose, I think you r rite! I stumpled acrossed this sight and think you are cool no matter what name you or yer compter goes bye. We should get a bagel and talk about interuptive dance that would be neat I also like eucalyptus (pronounced /ˌjuːkəˈlɪptəs/ ) is a diverse genus of flowering trees (and a few shrubs) in the myrtle family. I used to feed it straight to the mouths of koali when I studied botany and the affects of plants on the mouths of various animals when I was at Cornell Univurcity is a private university located in Ithaca, New York, USA, that is a member of the Ivy League!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 4:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
sandman
BMW huh......so very yuppie. Never owned one but they are supposed to be good cars.You might give a little thought to maint cost and availability......other than that I would say if it feels good go for it.....Oh, and that goes for the car also. :-) The Germans make good stuff.
Radio Ga Ga might know about BMW's being an interpretive dance guy from Cornell University which is an Ivy League School from Ithaca, New York......Those Ivy guys are kinda yuppie like guys also. They also like to wear those real expensive sports coats that have the patches on the elbows of the sleeves so they look old rather then just expensive. I hear they are also found of smart phones.
January 23, 2010 at 5:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
internet rule # 5
January 23, 2010 at 6 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
I DROVE A BMW ISETTA WHEN I WENT TO Cornell Univurcity is a private university located in Ithaca, New York, USA, that is a member of the Ivy League!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7lVdMls5uOs...
January 23, 2010 at 6:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Radio Ga Ga
ROFLMFAO
January 23, 2010 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
By the way Radio Ga Ga......I am pleased (???) to know that I was the first to be duped in a different place than this. You are going to need a friend again some day>>>:-)
January 23, 2010 at 6:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
Hay I just stumpled acroos this sight by accident looking for the myspace page of a buddy of mine from Cornell university located in Ithaca, New York, USA, that is a member of the Ivy League. He told me he had some audio clips of his dance troop interpreting Presdent Obamas inaugruation serumony with dance styles from urban neighborhoods made populer in the late 70s/ early 80s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 7:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
My uncle had one of those cars in college also. I think that's the college he went to too. Weird coincidence. I'll have to ask my dad for sure but I'm pretty sure that's it. They haven't spoken in years because of "the incident" but that's neither here nor there.
January 23, 2010 at 7:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Like stryker1_25, I am deeply distraught over the term "pro-choice" being used by people who then claim to not like abortion. It's a pretty black and white claim to me....if you would okay a woman choosing abortion, then you are pro-abortion. I had someone say to me once that she "didn't believe in it, but would never tell another woman not to." I don't subscribe to claiming not to believe in something that is easily proven to exist...I am quite sure she was just trying to be PC and "non-judgmental" and "tolerant." Of course, she was being intolerant of my judgment that a co-worker had done a wrong thing and a conversation I had had with the co-worker about it. She was assuming that my approach had been harsh, like most of you are thinking right now, as you assume many things about me based on your prejudices against and intolerances of my religious beliefs. Let the antagonisms begin. But first, I would like to address a concept that was posed as a question as well as a couple of statements earlier on in the thread.
The real crux of the abortion issue lies in the question of whether the embryo/fetus is a human life or a mass of tissue.
The scientific community has this to say about the human embryo/fetus:
-the heart begins to beat between the 18th and 25th day after conception
-brain waves have been recorded as early as the 45th day after conception
-the fetal movements have been felt by mothers as early as 6 wks (42 days) after conception
-by 8 weeks after conception, the fetus possesses the same fingerprints that it will have for its entire existence
-also, at 8 wks after conception, all bodily functions are present and will be fully functioning by 11 wks.
-by 11-12 wks after conception, it can suck its thumb
Harvard medical school has this list of criteria to determine death:
-No response to external stimuli
-No spontaneous movements (or respiratory efforts)
-No deep reflexes
-No brain activity
If reversed, those same criteria determine life and if you were to apply those to a fetus as early as 45 days after conception, a Harvard med student would not be able to determine that the fetus was dead. By 11 weeks after conception, the Harvard med student would have to determine life. Of course, we have justified reasons why different rules would apply if we told that student that we were talking about a fetus. This human ability to justify any outcome we want using scientific data along with gymnastics of logic and ethical reasoning is why some of us have determined to apply the moral compass of an all-knowing God to preempt all reasonings that oppose it.
Oh, and one more thing....the term "life" does not apply to plants and organisms in the same way that it applies to humans and animals.------grade school Biology.
January 23, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I heard a rumor that seriouslyfolks and Radio Ga Ga might have fallen from the same tree so to speak....but I'm sure there is nothing to that....I'm just asking the question if anybody knows if that's not true?
January 23, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Welcome back oh4theluvof.......
When can the fetus survive outside the womb on its own as an independent life form. That's when life begins.....!
You call me pro-abortion if it makes you feel better.....I will continue to call myself pro-choice. I will continue to call you against-choice.....you can continue to call your self pro-life if you want to. Like I told stryker.....you don't get to pick the terminology.
January 23, 2010 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
oh4
I'm not going to allow you to draw me into your opinions about religion and morality...just so you can then attack me for conducting a "crusade" against Christian virtue. If you want that discussion move it back over to the Religion forum that you abandoned some time ago and I'll be glad to give it to you.
January 23, 2010 at 7:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
To those who like to claim that the abortion issue is not really about religion......I ask you to reread the statements by stryker, of4theluvof, and sandman, and then tell me that again.
January 23, 2010 at 7:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof, Thank You for your post, was not only interesting but educational. Tis truly a miracle!!! The heart beats between 18 and 25 days after conception, amazing!!!! Brain waves in approx. a month and half after conception, a true miracle. In being me, I truly don't understand how anyone cannot say that is "life" and how very sad abortion is. Also, I so wanted to argue concerning that "life" DOESN'T carry over to plants/organisms the same way that it applies to humans and animals. Thanks for that reminder.
I have so wanted to ask biscuitboy, if he has children. Was he there at their birth? Oh! the wonderment of it all!!!! Even to see puppies or baby kitties born, Yes, to realize they were formed from a egg and sperm, the wonderment of it all!!!
January 23, 2010 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Thank you biscuitboy. No, I am not looking to draw anyone into any attack or "crusade." I am not here for long as I still have some very mentally and emotionally taxing circumstances going on right now (other than everyday life which gets harried enough) and this return is just taking a breather from it all. There have been many things said on this thread that have been very intolerant of religion, but I am used to that around here. As I recall, you didn't start that here, although you have been known to jump to accuse me of things on other threads based on your knowledge of my religion. Here, however, there were three or four other posters who were attacking the editorialist on those same grounds, so I was really taking them on. Since you felt compelled to respond, then you must feel allied with them. If you aren't, then my statements aren't directed toward you.
Anyway, I said my piece and gave my reasons and while I know my discourse isn't going to change any already set opinions, I was somewhat dissatisfied with the lack of confrontation of that part of the argument.
Is the religion thread still going? I might have to check that out, but I doubt that I will make any response..the last time I looked, I saw many questions I had already answered being repeated because my answers had been missed or disregarded as insufficient. I get irritated by that, I confess. Not a good state of mind or heart to discuss religion in.
January 23, 2010 at 8:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
The religion thread is a bunch of people looking to bash on people for their beliefs while simultaneously boasting about how tolerant they are. Hypocritical? Heck to the yeah! They say they hate hypocrites so I guess it's really a thread for venting their frustration because they loath themselves. It's all very confusing. Oh yeah, they make up stories about how they have been oppressed by religious people from first breath till the most recent. It's all so dramatic.
January 23, 2010 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Don't forget...Always lift with your back! It's the strongest muscle you have.
January 23, 2010 at 8:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy, heck with being "yuppie"!!! Give me a "cowboy" anyday!!!!! I'm just looking for reliable transportation, something that will hold up since I'm not known to trade them in that often, only when I start having trouble with them and they turn costly.
Thru your various post, I could easily picture you saying "if it feels good, go for it". I know you are going to say "it is religion" but sorry, it is the desire to have MORE and being very selected concerning my body, as you have pointed out concerning abortion and "choice". That "choice" comes with a MAJOR price tag, both ways.
January 23, 2010 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
koalanose,
That's good advise and I should no. Remmber ............ Cornell!!!!!
I hav a funny story one time at Cornell I was force feeding a koala and it bit my finger and I bopped it on the nose. haha It's funny becase your name is koalanose. haha
http://borrowedearth.files.wordpress....
January 23, 2010 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy, I should have ask "Children that you fathered and are aware concerning?"
January 23, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
I oneder hoo taked this piture? The composition and lighting are great!!!
http://azerdark.files.wordpress.com/2...
Cornell Koalas rule!!!!!!!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 8:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
radioGaGa, With all your kornhole experiences you should know that lifting with your back is less effective when you bend your knees. Bending over with straight legs while lifting straight up is nearly the same as a big crane except stronger.
January 23, 2010 at 8:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
I fed cranes at Cornell!!! also. They look like this but mor life like bad camera I guess. SPARKY OUT!!!!! SPARKY GET OUT!!!!!!! IT"S COLD SPARKY!!!!!!!
http://z.about.com/d/crochet/1/0/q/E/...
January 23, 2010 at 8:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Never listen to any medical doctors or people who say that you shouldn't lift with your back. They are just trying to get you to blow out your knees and legs so they can rip off your insurance company unless you are illegal in this country. Scientists and so called medical doctors are just playing god. The world is flat and everything revolves around humans. Don't listen to them because if you get to close to the edge you will fall off.
January 23, 2010 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
When tha government gives us medicin the doctors will be the ones on the other end of the shoe cuz they won't be driving BMW no more!!!! Go gett em Nancy!!!!!
January 23, 2010 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
koalemos, could you please point out to me (in detail, please) on this particular thread what law(s) I have "screamed for"?
From what I read here.... I'm wondering if people who cannot survive without carrying around their oxygen tank, or being regularly hooked up to a kidney dialysis machine or something like that are "alive",........ I mean, they're not able to live outside the womb "on their own", ........ without external help..........
January 24, 2010 at 3:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
No sandman......I never had children and it is the singular biggest regret of my life. I have often said if I could go back and change one thing in my life that would be it. My second wife and I, after an initial delay, kinda put it up to chance for a couple of years.....but nothing ever happened....then divorce reared its ugly head, and the rest as they say is history.
There was a young man in Arkansas that I loved and tried to be a father to but he died in a car wreck. I love children and relate well to them generally. I would love to be able to respond more to them at times but then there is the specter of molester you have to be concerned with. And that is another sad tale. How children must be taught to distrust strangers...especially men.....and to avoid them like the plague. I understand perfectly the fear,,,,,but the result of the fear is sad for children and some of us old men who have much care and concern to give but are to old or other wise unqualified to adopt..
And the world is full of children already that are unwanted and unloved....I see them all the time right here in my neighborhood.....and few people seem to give much of a damned about them. I personally would like to see more attention paid to them for the time being rather than so much concern given to fetuses who...in my opinion...are not even yet capable of life.....much less have ever experienced it.
sandman.....you pretty much read me correctly about the if it feels good do it philosophy. It hasn't always made life good....but it has always made it interesting. If there is one thing my life hasn't been it would be safe.....it also hasn't been boring.
Even now.....I've had a heart attack and have a damaged heart.....I also have emphysema from all those cigarettes before I quit smoking. I take nothing for my heart and continue to do what ever I can and want to do. Why....because I would much rather drop dead from a heart attack than die slowly of emphysema. It drives my doctor nuts.
So if I sudenly quit posting for more than a few days one of these days you might look back at recent obit's and learn who I was. Just because I am not a Christian that doesn't make me a bad evil guy...just a guy that calls people private parts. :-)
January 24, 2010 at 4:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
But they could at one time open_eyes and they have experienced and known life...and therein lies the difference.
Now what are we both doing out of bed and ranting on the forum at this time of day for....Huh?
January 24, 2010 at 4:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Your painting with kinda a broad brush again there ole buddy. And bashing others for their beliefs is a two way street. Just because they are nor your beliefs doesn't mean they are not beliefs.
People who are opposed to allowing a others a choice in the continuation of a pregnancy do so by expressing great concern for the plight and feelings of the yet unborn fetus. Yet many of those people express little concern....or even much interest, in the life some of those fetuses will endure if carried to term. Lives filled with neglect, abuse, and lack of proper love and upbringing......lives that often become a burden on society not tax paying citizens as stryker suggest.
I would like to see a lot more attention given to the results of those pregnancies that do go to term...and less given to the ones that don't. If you are against abortion......how many unwanted, unaborted, children have you adopted. If the answer is none you might want to take a close look at your priorities.
January 24, 2010 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
sandman
Here are web sites that will give you an idea of the reliability and repair costs of certain autos. The first site is for the BMW 3 series and the second is for the Kia, Amanti. They are both good autos, however the Amanti has fewer repair problems to worry about and deal with and is less costly to purchase.
1. year=2007&make=BMW&model=3-Series
2.http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/reliability.aspx?
Just trying to help.
January 24, 2010 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
sandman
Here is the home site addres for the auto info I posted above.
January 24, 2010 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
sandman
Sorry, I forgot to give the home site address for the Auto info.
http://autos.msn.com/default.aspx
January 24, 2010 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Looks like I really struck a nerve with my last post about the religion thread. LOL "Truth!?! You can't handle the truth!!" Jack Nicholson
LOL
I have 2 children that I do my very best to take care of. I am doing the right thing by my children. I shouldn't have to adopt a kid or three in order to be against abortion but whatever I guess you make the rules.
January 24, 2010 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Just what nerve is it you seem to think you have struck....I would like an answer. I also would like an answer to what truth you are referring to that I can't handle. I was responding in a calm way to a post you had made. Then you come back with a cute sounding little remark filled with lol's and innuendos about my nerves and the truths that I can't handle. Other wise your response was a waste of time. I want more precise data. With out it I will only be able to assume that you are the one that can't handle the truth that other people have as much right to their beliefs as you do.
By the way...there are somethings I loath but myself is not one of them. It seems you can't handle the truth that some people can live just and moral lifes and like themselves without believing as you do. That I fear is the truth that is not being handled here.
Please note, I said nothing negative about your beliefs or your right to hold them.....only about your inability to handle the beliefs of others. And yes...now you have struck a nerve. I await your reply.
January 24, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
No, I don't make the rules and neither do you!
January 24, 2010 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Meth, thanks so much for the sight. Since I've just had this transmission put in, I don't feel that I'm in a push to replace but know that I must do this in the near future. When my son called, my first thought was taxes, insurance (over all cost). He was a jewel for doing so but as with most of life, you must weigh all the variables. I've never bought a car alone, as with many things, and it truly scares me. But life has a way of "showing us the way" and know I can and will do the best I can. Again Thank you.
Biscuitboy, "I" truly feel you may feel as you do for you have never experienced something that is as precious as the birth of a child. Within seconds of our childrens birth, their father was holding them, cleaning them up etc. What a very precious sight!!! I will remember the ramaining of my days. Also, yes, we DID adopt, mainlly inpart, because I am also adopted and thank the Lord each day that that occured. So, see, when you want to say that it is strictly "religious" I do want to "wring your neck"! Any human life is precious, those born and unborn. I have worked at "hetlingers" upon occasion, and believe me, those little ones, even with their problems, are so very precious! Also having spent much time working with "special Ed kids" and Yes! feel the same way. I truly feel that in todays society, we have lost the ability to appreciate "life"and so take it for granted. As I stood next to the man that I had spent my life with and knowing what the end result would be and we (he) were not give a "choice" but yes, putting him in Gods hands" for that is what He wanted, even then, that was Life! So, Yes, it is very hard to understand how abortion has gotten its dirty hands so engrossed into our society.
Concerning "if it feels good, do it"thought, afraid I have been much more "protetctive" of my life but yes! there is one man in this town that needs to watch out!!!! :-) Oh! Boy!!!! Wonder how his heart is???? :-) Got to get to the zoo for a birthday party for a little one,have a good day.
January 24, 2010 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
You are very welcome, sandman. This is a very handy site for the auto buyer .
January 24, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
sandman
I am so very glad to hear you have adopted......I believed in my heart that if it was to be anybody it would be you. I can feel the love and compassion for others in what you write...and I have no doubt it extends to the already born as well as the not yet born. You really have no idea how much I respect and appreciate you because you are so real and honest. Don't ever change.
I know better than you that the fact that I have never felt my own child in my arms has given me a different perspective than I might have had otherwise. But that does not make me devoid of feelings for the plight of the unwanted and unloved children in this world...both born and not yet born. The fact that I don't believe in your God.....that I have never had children of my own....and that I believe life does not begin until viability.....does not make me a person who enjoys having babies die.....that has no tolerance for the disabled and wants to see them suffer as stryker suggested and seriouslyfolks apparently believes.
I in fact extend my love for children beyond the womb and out into the real world....apparently you do too. I'm not so convinced about some of the others.
January 24, 2010 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Children other than their own I should have added.
January 24, 2010 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Biscuit,
The truth I was referring to is that people that claim to be sooo tolerant aren't so much. You definitely try more than the ones you align yourself with, I will give you that. As far as me not being able to handle other peoples beliefs ...... well we've been over that. I have had great conversations with Muslims(and other religions) and even defended them and there right in this country to practice their beliefs and you know this of me. I do apologize for the tone of my post and that it seemed to be directed at you.
January 24, 2010 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Political, ethical, moral, religious, and social alignments do at times make for strange bed fellows. I must admit I would rather have to tolerate the excesses of "enry than the excesses of Phelps. Between those two I would much prefer "enry. :-)
January 24, 2010 at 1:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I say lift with your back. Your waste is at least twice the size of your legs at their fattest point. How can you expect a knee to lift as much as a back? You can't! It's impossible!!! Your back is the strongest muscle in your body.
January 24, 2010 at 1:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
HAY I just stumbled all up on this site and like you guys and want to be friends so can wee pleese I think you will love this picture it is good
http://www.australiasouvenir.com/prod...
January 24, 2010 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
Koala bear eating. Dunno how to make vid right way round =/
You can see my arm in picture can we be friends now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vae8P3...
January 24, 2010 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Boy Biscuitboy! I don't know about your statement, afraid I must admit I put those two in close aliegnment!!!! 'enry appears very self centered while afraid, Phelps is "brain dead"! What truly saddens me with Phelps is the fact he TRIES to base his actions on God even while using young children to do his dirty work of nothing but hatred. I do KNOW that God never stated that in life we wouldn't have trials, but when we do, he would be beside us and believe me, I know this to be so very true. Now see, I don't deserve what you have written above, afraid I'm so very human, but Thank You.
I'm so very sorry concerning your heart and must say I feel it is very "self centered" NOT to take medicine concerning such. If that would enable you a longer life. As you have stated before, what would we do without biscuitboy to keep us all "on board"? You may not have children but I know you give those dogs alot of love! My little girl(dog) is so very excited and full of love when I walk in the door, truly makes the day complete. What about neighbors, friends? What about "us"? Now! you can consider that this gal has chewed you out !!! Even tho I may want to "wring your neck", I want to be the one to do so and NOT your heart!!!!! :-) Gee, I have so enjoyed at times reading what you and open_eyes have written and you two going at it!!!! Difference of views is what makes the world go around!!!! (it is round and not flat-guess some of those fancy schools are behind times!!!)
Great time at the zoo, birthday boy was a little five year old! Boy! could those kids "move" out!!!! Fun group! Really showed me how VERY old I'm getting!!!!! We had 12 kids and 15 adults!!!! Fun! (but tired!!!) Worked with two other women, SUPER!!!!
January 24, 2010 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
Any answer yet to question about being my friends!?
I hope I don't have to find new site to go to find friends!
I just joking with you I would not leave you peeple you are good ones that I like!!!
See you later!!!
I have dog named Sparky and he can sit I teach him that before he always stand and I told him to sit and he did that easy!!
You can teach dogs tricks too I show you!!!!
January 24, 2010 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
The Emporia Zoo is a really nice place....maybe the best thing this town has......something to be proud of. I would go more often but I always have the dogs with me and their not allowed...for very understandable reasons.
And my dogs are so spoiled.....I do lavish on them all the love and attention I would have given to a child if I had been dealt a different hand. But you play the hand your dealt and do the best you can with it.
Plus when I was younger I had a violent temper.....not towards people so much,,,but I would get mad and tear stuff up....to keep from aiming it at people. I got it from my father.....a man that scared me half to death. I had a young kid working for me one time. And after I had gone off about something and thrown tools all over the shop, he looked at me and said...."It's a good thing you never had kids...they would have been scared to death of you." That statement stopped me cold in my tracks and even today makes my skin crawl. I knew he was right...just like I had been scared to death of my dad......and my kids kids would probably been scared to death of them. That day changed my life as I spent the next few years working to subdue that temper. But it also made me very sensitive to the damage parents can do to their children....even when the damage is unintended. And that is so much more true when the children were unwanted to start with.
January 25, 2010 at 4:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy, Yes, the zoo is wonderful! Such a wonderful and caring staff. I can say I have truly enjoyed being a docent. My husband and I used to take our children there and what a delight especially at Christmas, always reminds me of a "wonderful land" with all its lights. Am always glad to see all the people come out for we are truly blessed to have it, thanks to David Traylor. His father is who we received a phone call one Sunday morning that there was a baby girl at the hospital to be adopted!!! Such a wonderful man, will never forget that phone call.
Yes, our animals. My little dog is laying on the couch behind me, was all snuggled in bed until I got up and then she follows me. Am so glad that you enjoy yours. Was sorry to hear of your father and his temper, not a good memory. I have been very fortunate in my life, have no memories of such from parents or husband. I do agree with you that it is so very important as a child to be wanted and to form those lasting positive memories. My husband was always scared of his mom, boy! now that woman, watch out!!! After we married and I meet her, Yes! tread on slippery ground!!! We really weren't around her that much, he had a wonderful father that I adored.
Have a good day!!
January 25, 2010 at 5:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
opps, ment "wonder land" (zoo)
January 25, 2010 at 5:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
radioGaGa (anonymous) says...
My dog SPARKY can sit!!! I teach him that!!! I teach you to teach you dog too!!!! For very small price of you be my friend!!! What you say!!!!
January 25, 2010 at 7:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
demoseb (anonymous) says...
I intend to go with Tiahart. The problem with pro abortionists is that they tend to overlook the words in the Declaration of Indepence of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There is a reason they put life first which should be very obvious even to the most dense pro abortionist--without life the other two are moot. One person complains that Virginia made it too simple--well, that's because it is. The people who make it complex are the people who cloud the issue to rationalize their own feelings that all is well. Nice job Virginia. Well done. If people would bother to go into Oyez Website and read the first oral argument of Sarah Weddington, Justice Stewart had her on the ropes regarding her constitutionality argument and had that been it, the case would likely have ended. But for some reason not spelled out on the page a second oral argument was granted and it was here that Weddington completed the greatest con or one of the greatest by linking a woman's right to privacy to her right to an abortion. There is no such link anywhere in the Constitution. The only link even remotely there is the right to prevention against illegal search and seizure which admittedly the most brazen liberal can stretch to their needs. Weddington indeed is a great lawyer--it is not easy to hoodwink 7 of 9 justices--but she did it. By the way, I believe Roe herself has stated she regrets pursuing the case. Dennis Mosebey
January 27, 2010 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
demoseb
You are exactly right the phrase, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness is just that a phrase in the Declaration of Independence, that was directed at the British and is not part of the U.S. Constitution or any of the 27 Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Also the first 10 Constitutional Amendments are known as the Bill of Rights and none of these mention anything about life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
There are several different definitions and meaning of the word " Life " and I for one do not know which of these meanings was/is intended by the word " Life " as it is used used in the phrase, Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness.
Do you ?
January 27, 2010 at 11:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Good point methusla. :-)
January 28, 2010 at 4:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Perhaps it was to worry about your own damn life and stop trying to interfere into others?
January 29, 2010 at 11:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Guess they should let Tiller's killer off too eh? He was pursuing life right?
January 29, 2010 at 11:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )