A family emergency left a Lyon County District Court without a qualified interpreter this morning for a preliminary hearing in a case that resulted from the shooting death of 25-year-old Jose Levya Arroyo, also known as Samuel T. Rosado.
Today's hearing was for Jorge A. Jurado, 22, who has been accused of aiding and abetting in first-degree murder and aiding and abetting in attempted first-degree murder.
Another man, Juan Jose Rosales, 28, was shot and injured as he and Rosado emerged from Rosado's garage in the 600 block of South Union Street early on the morning of Dec. 20, 2009.
"We were notified late last night that a large number of witnesses ... would need an interpreter," District Judge Lee Fowler said after court convened around 9:45 a.m. this morning. "That interpreter was not able to attend today because of a family emergency."
Fowler said that court personnel had been trying since 8 a.m., but had been unable to locate another qualified interpreter.
He ordered the hearing postponed until 9 a.m. on Friday, Feb. 26.
The hearing will be before Magistrate Judge Doug Jones, who has agreed to come to Emporia that day from Chase County District Court.
Witnesses who had been subpoenaed were dismissed for today and were told by Fowler that they would be entitled to regular witness compensation and, whether they receive another subpoena for the next yearing, they still will be required to be back in court on the 26th for Jurado's preliminary hearing.
Jurado was the second person arrested in Arroyo's death.
Jimmy Anthony Dominguez, 32, was arrested Dec. 24 and charged with first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder. He is accused of shooting Arroyo.
Jurado was arrested on Jan. 8 at the home of a family member in Kansas City.
According to earlier information from Emporia Police Lt. Edward P. Owens, local detectives worked with police in the Kansas City, Kan., area and arrested Jurado without incident.
Police said that Arroyo and Dominguez had been at a dance at the Anderson Building on the Lyon County Fairgrounds the night before the shooting. An altercation between the victims and the alleged assailants occurred before they left to go to a local bar.
Arroyo and Rosales later went to Arroyo's home and were drinking in the garage at the home. They were shot when they stepped outside the building.
mslater (Matt Slater) says...
Any bets/guesses on who's going to post the first generic "If you can't speak English, you shouldn't be here" comment?
February 17, 2010 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
UsayULoveGod (anonymous) says...
How much do they pay per hr. I can do it?
February 17, 2010 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I know of several bilingual folks that are laid off right now. Shouldn't be too hard to find an interpreter.
February 17, 2010 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Not to worry, we may all have to learn to speak Chinese !
February 17, 2010 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madpoet (anonymous) says...
I would think they'd have several people "qualified" to interpret in Emporia. I wonder what you have to do to get that gig? Like seriously said, bilingual people are needing work right now. Poor foresight on the part of the court to only have 1 or 2 interpreters on tap in a town with a fairly large Spanish speaking population.
February 17, 2010 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madpoet (anonymous) says...
I also wonder how many of our tax dollars this wasted? They'll have to do it all over again later, too. The witnesses got the old kick in the behind, too, with this waste of time.
February 17, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tosie (anonymous) says...
Just because someone is bi-lingual doesn't mean that they are qualified for the job. One has to be qualified and appropriate to interpret in court, pass a background check, and have a basic understanding of the court process, not just know Spanish.
February 17, 2010 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bjnemp (anonymous) says...
Sooo.. persons too irresponsible and/or too disrespectful of our nation and culture to learn our language, while basking in all the opportunities and benefits they provide, take precedence over the victim, victim's family, court system, and taxpayers? In today's insanely politically correct environment, I guess that is somehow supposed to make sense.
February 17, 2010 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
barefootin (anonymous) says...
Next ask how much an interperter makes an hour, with the wages they are paid, they should have plenty asking for the job.
February 17, 2010 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Someone should tell the court about http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
February 17, 2010 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
My vote
If they can't speak english what are they doing here?
Oh I forgot
The police chief isn't worrried if they're ilegal or not.
February 17, 2010 at 7:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
The following is one of my favorite thoughts on the issue of immigration. It's from President Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919, 10 years after his presidency.
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
--Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
February 17, 2010 at 7:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
It seems a lot of the bloggers here don't like persons of color.
February 17, 2010 at 7:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Oh man....here we go!
February 17, 2010 at 7:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I kinda like my idea.
February 17, 2010 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I'm a person of color, I'm off white. Since it is now uncool to be white I no longer call myself white, now I'm just off.
February 17, 2010 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
children (anonymous) says...
why is it when the term of illegal aliens do people refer to Mexicans? You know they are NOT the ONLY ones immigrating illegally to the United States!!!! You have Chinese, Russian, Cuban, Salvadorians, Ecuadorians, Arabians, Philipinos, Canadians!! don't just target one race!!!
February 17, 2010 at 9:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Mexican is a nationality not a race. For your FYI.
February 17, 2010 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FIM1UR12 (anonymous) says...
At least the Asian illegal immigrants are polite. The Latino illegal immigrants could learn something from the Asians.
February 17, 2010 at 10:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FIM1UR12 (anonymous) says...
Latinos argue alot
February 17, 2010 at 11:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
missy_mms_2008 (anonymous) says...
Yes and so do some caucasions, african americans, and any other race you can't define a whole race just because you have met a couple of rude people from that race.
February 17, 2010 at 11:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Latinos don't argue as much as Europeans.
February 17, 2010 at 11:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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February 17, 2010 at 10:59 p.m. ( permalink )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
I can't believe there are so many Haters in this town. Most of them seem to be white no less. I agree that the illegals do not mean only Mexicans, and as far as I'm concerned I know alot of hispanics "Mexicans" as you all seem to think they are from only one country..lmao...but no less, I know very few of them that are rude, I know alot of them here in Emporia and believe me the white race is a whole lot worse in the rude department than the mexicans. I am white and am ashamed of how my race always seem to be the first to be so judgemental. Now for the question about how much an interpreter gets paid...I have also done this work for the court and police and I was paid $20 an hour. That may seem like a lot to some of you folks, but believe me its a lot of work translating everything. My belief is that there should not be a lack of interpreters here in Emporia, I for one was not called for this and I am on the list for this service as is two of my friends which also were not asked to offer their services.So I believe the fault lays in the hands of the court system. As far as the wet back statement goes, whatever, it fits right in with all the "white trash" posting all their negative racist thoughts. God Bless
February 17, 2010 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FIM1UR12 (anonymous) says...
inaweoftheblindness Why call the people who post on these forums derogatory names and demean the people of our beautiful town then finish your tirade with "God Bless"?
February 18, 2010 at midnight ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
inaweof....good post, but don.t expect anybody to listen. As for justaflushaway's remarks about wetbacks...most of his/her post fits the user name
February 18, 2010 at 3:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
FIM1UR12
Why is it that a poster who post on these forums basing derogatory statements about a whole group of people based on the actions of a few, then finish their tirade with but I am not prejudiced or racist?
If as your name suggests you are now going to accuse me of being prejudice against whites you are wrong. I am prejudice only against ignorance. Stupidity you are born with and can not change.....ignorance is an acquired trait.
February 18, 2010 at 3:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
I don't believe the following post has anything in it about a specific race or color!
The following is one of my favorite thoughts on the issue of immigration. It's from President Theodore Roosevelt in a letter to the American Defense Society in 1919, 10 years after his presidency.
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
--Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
February 18, 2010 at 5:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
rabblerouser
I too understand and appreciate the thoughts of Teddy Roosevelt on this issue....and agree that assimilation is necessary to truly become a citizen...not just a resident....of any country. But what might be refusal to assimilate to one might just be pride of heritage to another.
Does the wearing of the green, and the Erin Go Bragh, signs of St Patty's day reflect a good natured attempt to celebrate Irish heritage....or is it a holding on to dual allegiances? The same can be said of the various Saint's Day celebrations that are common on the East Coast in the Italian communities where Italian flags are flown and the Italian language is still spoken. American culture is a hodge-podge of cultural celebrations and customs from around the world. We borrowed the fireworks we use for Fourth of July from the Chinese...and the hamburger came from Germany.
It seems to me the only time the recognition of culture seems to ruffle feathers is when those cultures being recognized are newer to our shores and are from south of the border. But then much of the clothing and working tools of the great American cowboy was borrowed from the Spanish and the Mexicans...as well as the names of most of our Southwestern cities.
If you remove from American culture everything we have assimilated from other cultures....hell buddy....there won't be anything left. Nothing but the culture of the indigenous American Indian....and even their name was derived from Columbus's believe that he had landed in India. So just where do you want to start demanding that everything be American? If it wasn't for everybody else there wouldn't be any American.
February 18, 2010 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...
The last I heard we were not hostile to Mexico...at least not as a nation.
February 18, 2010 at 6:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
I saw justaflushaway on tv last night, a documentary about minorities and his thoughts on it.
Oh wait.........................
It was Cartman on southpark:)
February 18, 2010 at 6:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Steve
LOL
February 18, 2010 at 6:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
justaflushaway (anonymous) says...
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February 17, 2010 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink )
justaflushaway (anonymous) says...
thank you Steve!
February 18, 2010 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 17, 2010 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Latinos don't argue as much as Europeans."
Prove it.
Posted by inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) on February 17, 2010 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"the white race is a whole lot worse in the rude department"
Prove it.
You people putting down whites are just as racist as people putting down any other race. FYI just because you are white doesn't mean you can't be racist against whites. I don't understand why it's ok to be racist against whites.
February 18, 2010 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
K?
February 18, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
What don't you understand?
February 18, 2010 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
"Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 17, 2010 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Latinos don't argue as much as Europeans." = racist
Posted by inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) on February 17, 2010 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"the white race is a whole lot worse in the rude department" = racist
February 18, 2010 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye."
February 18, 2010 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I was just talking about football seriouslyfolks. I personally don’t know any Europeans or Latinos so I can only base my comments on the football games I have watched on youtube. It appears that the football games played in Europe turn into a spectator riot in the middle of the game where the football games played in Latin America don’t turn into a spectator riot until after the game is over. American football teams wear helmets and stuff pads inside their clothes and the football isn’t round and they hold the ball in their hands like a bunch of Sissies.
February 18, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
uranidiot (anonymous) says...
I am not racist, I hate everyone equally. LOL.
Grow up people. Everyone is quick to throw down the race card when ever they are wronged. Everyone is different and everyone is the same. It is 2010, stop looking at the color of someones skin and look at what is in there heart.
February 18, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Sounds a lot like a lot of people on here to me!
February 18, 2010 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Where did I put down whites?
February 18, 2010 at 11:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy
Yes it does. I even quoted a few examples. Examples that would probably normally be over looked since they are directed at whites. Why do those type of comments get over looked ?
February 18, 2010 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
biscuitboy
"Posted by biscuitboy (anonymous) on February 18, 2010 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
seriouslyfolks
Where did I put down whites
I never said you did.
February 18, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lcountyvictim (anonymous) says...
Why would court personnel say that they had been trying to get ahold of interpreter's since 8am, when the above poster and 2 of her friends didn't receive calls. With this being a Lyon County court, in Emporia, KS they would have known interpreter's were needed for this case, and contingency plans should have been in place with backup prior to the emergency. Can we say ineffeciency? Court services better get to the bottom of that so the waste of taxpayer time and money isn't repeated in the future.
February 18, 2010 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Uh...... Please don't question the government.
Thank You.
February 18, 2010 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
@rabblerouser - You wrote, "I don't believe the following post has anything in it about a specific race or color!"
The discrimination based upon race and color was implied in the blogger's comments.
How trite it is listening to persons complain about "illegal immigrants" only to use tax dollars as a front to cover up for their prejudices. If a Caucasian who had just arrived from Europe were to ask for a job or a handout, I'm certain the treatment they would receive would be much more hospitable and kind.
February 18, 2010 at 1:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chevy_Guy (anonymous) says...
If a caucasian who had just arrived from Europe needed help, I would hand him a toothbrush and some toothpaste.
February 18, 2010 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks.... I don't have a prejudice bone in my body, I love people from all nationalities. Color and race has nothing to do with a persons heart or that persons right to be treated the same as any other person would like to be treated. We, every color and nation, were created equally. When will people start treating each other with a little respect. If a certain person treats you bad...remember "that" person...not every living being of his nationality. I apologize if I came off with the attitude that I am against the white people as I realize not everyone who posts on here are white...Instead of saying "I am ashamed of how my race always seem to be the first to be so judgemental" I should have used the words "fellow americans" The real problem here is we can never change a hater, nothing that anyone does is going to please this type of person. I'm just real tired of seeing people post hateful comments about mexicans...cmon, lets be real here, there are a lot of law abiding, caring respectful hispanics in our community and these hateful comments effect them too, it effects everyone who is not racist towards any nationality. I remember about a year ago here in Emporia when a woman stabbed her boyfriend and he died...seems awful funny nothing was posted about her nationality being the reason for why this happened, oh wait.. I just remembered...she wasn't "mexican"...
February 18, 2010 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAjFnJ...
February 18, 2010 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Thanks seriouslyfolks......just checking. ☺
February 18, 2010 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
This video says more than any words I could say here. Just goes to show, don't judge a persons legal status by his nationality, not all Latinos in our town are here illegally. So please get facts before you make judgement. How would you feel if this happened to you if you were visiting a country and didn't speak their language and no one gave a damn one way or the other why you were in their country to begin with, you don't speak there language. Thankfully here in Emporia we do have people that will stand up for the Latino community.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXL-zu...
February 18, 2010 at 6:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
My sister in law is Latino with family roots that run deep in this town. Her family is as nice a group of people as I have ever known They have accepted my brothers family into theirs as their own. That is why I am so deeply offended at so much of this ignorant stereotyping that starts to rear its head whenever this issue arises.
Latinos are just like everybody else. They have the same dreams and hopes as the rest of us and that primarily translates to leaving a better life to their children than they had. So what's wrong with that?
February 18, 2010 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
missy_mms_2008 (anonymous) says...
I could not have said it better myself biscuitboy!!
February 18, 2010 at 6:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
People are not upset about those that are here legally and are not breaking the law Biscuit, people are upset about the ones that are here illegally burdening us with the travesty that is their "american" offspring. Botton line, if you do thing the right way you have nothing to fear or worry about.
February 18, 2010 at 6:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eucharistandcannabis (anonymous) says...
Please list those burdens and how they directly affect you.
1.)
2.)
3.)
4.)
5.)
February 18, 2010 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Basically I understand that goodoleboy and I can generally tell the difference between the one's expressing legitimate concerns and those expressing hatred. But as open_eyes is always telling us..there is always a few that makes the rest look bad. But I guess the same can be said of a few latinos.
But again...I generally know one when I see one. And a few on here are one.
February 18, 2010 at 7:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
children (anonymous) says...
Thank you biscuitboy and were does it say this person is illegal? A person that doesn't speak english doesn't mean he/she is illegal! again STOP stereotyping!!
February 18, 2010 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
My family roots on this continent began before Cristobal Colon was born. Europeans immigrated here illegally and stole the land and forced my ancestors at gunpoint into death camps and gave them blankets infected with smallpox. They used my peoples land for profit and cheated each other so much that they declared independence and fought a war and instituted a constitution based upon the belief that all men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Among those rights were life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yet even after that, they sent armies against my people murdering women and children so they could take more land for their European brothers to exploit with their African slaves. So today when people who are native to this continent move north and exploit the niches created by the Europeans I chuckle and eat some Mexican food and drink German beer. No speaky engles? That's alright, not many here do either.
February 18, 2010 at 7:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Please list those burdens and how they directly affect you.
1.) health care
2.) entitlements(welfare,foodstamps,etc)
3.) justice system related costs
4.) lower wages for blue collar workers
5.) burden on the schools(some have to be put into special classes so they can be educated)
Need more? I can go all day but the end result is HIGHER TAXES for everyone because we have support criminals that cross our borders and guess who gets the bill. The day our tax dollars do not support illegal immigrants and their progeny is the day you won't hear a peep out of me about my burden.
February 18, 2010 at 7:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
children (anonymous) says...
FINALLY someone who speaks the TRUTH!!!!
February 18, 2010 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
children (anonymous) says...
I was speaking about koalemos and NOT goodoleboy!!!
February 18, 2010 at 7:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Comparing what is happening now to what happend 200 years ago makes me chuckle. Not even in the same ballpark.
February 18, 2010 at 7:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
children (anonymous) says...
really goodoleboy.... or does the TRUTH hurt?!?!?
February 18, 2010 at 7:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I was born in the early mid 1970s and I'm white. If I apologize for what happened to native Americans and all the oppression that "my people" perpetrated on everyone who isn't "my people" throughout the history of this country can we drop it and not bring it up every time you want to defend minorities breaking the law?
I'm sorry I caused all the oppression of your people what ever your people may be.
February 18, 2010 at 8:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
My people are white also.
February 18, 2010 at 8:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Apology accepted seriouslyfolks!
February 18, 2010 at 8:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"really goodoleboy.... or does the TRUTH hurt?!?!?'
Holding me personally accountable for what people did 200 hundred years ago is about as stupid as holding me accountable for being white and my great great great great great great whatever owning a slave. I have 0 control or accountability on the matter. Drawing such comparisons denigrates any credibility you seek to attain on the subject.
February 18, 2010 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
German beer goes great with tacos but Mexican tequila doesn't go so good with sauerkraut. It would be nice if I could go fishing and hunting where my great great grandfather hunted and fished without begging some European descendant for permission.
February 18, 2010 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Me too, my great great grandfather owned a lot of land. Sold it. Thank goodness some stayed in the family.
February 18, 2010 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
The Europeans trade paper for the land. The paper will rot away as the land cleanses itself. Listen to the elders and learn.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cylf...
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqfvUA...
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piIzi...
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z57zs_...
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BqJMw...
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VuD_n...
February 18, 2010 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I saw this movie called Avatar awhile back, I think you would like it.
February 18, 2010 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Why not just say your not going to watch the links?
February 18, 2010 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
I did, they reminded me of Avatar. I really do enjoy reading and learning about Native American culture, hell I would love to live life the way they did, but it is just not gonna happen.
February 18, 2010 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Yes it will. The earth will cleanse itself of the bad bacteria and only allow the good bacteria to remain.
February 18, 2010 at 9:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Why did all the bad bacteria attack the Native Americans then? They were not bad, yet disease decimated them.
February 18, 2010 at 9:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
The Europeans created smallpox and other human diseases inside their creations called cities. They didn't live right with nature and incubated sickness and plague. European DNA adopted immunities that the Native American people didn't have. Native people live symbiotic with nature so those types of diseases didn't exist here. They were imported here on their European hosts.
February 18, 2010 at 9:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Atleast when I say outrageous things they are funny. Well ... most of the time. Alright ............ some of the time.
February 18, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Speaking of truth, I like this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgWFxF...
February 18, 2010 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/user/greatests...
Make sure you click to watch his return.
February 18, 2010 at 11:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
missy_mms_2008 (anonymous) says...
Ok so what I want to know is how illeagal immigrants can get welfare? Most of the illeagal immigrants I knew (they are citizens now) never asked for or tried to get welfare or healthcare and as for the classes they need, you say you want them to speak english yet argue and complain when money is spent to teach them english which do you prefer them not knowing or understanding english or complaining when money is spent for them trying to learn it?
February 19, 2010 at 1:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Hospitals cannot refuse emergency medical care so anyone who shows up must be treated. The hospital is reimbursed some of that money by the taxpayer and the rest is added to the paying customers bill. After the illegal alien has a baby here in this country, that child is eligible for benefits. Technically, the illegal isn't getting welfare, their newborn anchor baby is getting the benefits. Since nobody in the house will speak english to that baby, when it is five years old the people paying property taxes will be forced to pay for special english lessons. Not having to repay the hospital and getting WIC and welfare, the illegal has money to mail back to Mexico which encourages someone else to sneak into the EEUU and make a go of it. Why not? It's free right?
February 19, 2010 at 4:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
koalemos, something to brighten your day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2OfVX...
NSFW!
February 19, 2010 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Koalemos
Your last post may be the most relevant and best post you have ever written, of course it goes with out saying that I agree with it.
Inaweoftheblindness
Your post @ 6:13 the 18th goes directly to the point. You said "visiting" not resident of unknown status.
Bisquit
I too have relation of Mexican or Spanish decent. They however all followed the prescribed entry rules as did my decendants. All I would ask is that the laws be followed then a large majority of what's going on here wouldn't be.
February 19, 2010 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Children
You asked where does it say this person is illegal.
Tuesday 12/22/09
A portion of the article by Brandy Nance.
Smith said the department is working with a lot of street names in the case and that many of the people are not being cooperative, as some aren't legally in the United States.
So they don't want to cooperate, Smith said. We're not going to be concerned about that ( legal status)
By my interpretation of this excert some involved are illegals, and by his own words the chief isn't worried about it.
My question is why.
February 19, 2010 at 10:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Mine too, apparently our chief enforces what he pleases, hell he does not even have to do the enforcing, just make a few phone calls, but even that is asking too much. Good to know our police force is doing their duty neglecting people who for all we know, could have been a serial killer before they came here.
February 19, 2010 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
tbluma
Yes....my sister-in-laws family came here legally also....and some of them have been in the Emporia area longer than my family has. I also recognize illegal immigration as a problem that deserves much more attention than it is getting. But I also blame it as much on the people who are hiring the illegals as on the illegals themselves......and those people are profiting from it as much or more than the illegals in many instances.
But I have no problems with expressing anger and frustration at the illegal immigration problem. My problem arises when some posters can not stop themselves from turning it into an opportunity to use ethnic slurs and stereotypes to denigrate a whole group of people with an undeserved hatred. That's what gets me all riled up.
February 19, 2010 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Bisquit
I understand
February 19, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
P-Man
Take a chug of Nyquil and take a nap. You'll feel better.
February 19, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
It is scary when tbluma agrees with me. All I was dong was answering a question that missy_mms_2008 asked. That still doesn't say how to know if someone is an illegal alien.
Education required to become an immigration law specialist includes a four year college degree, three additional years of law school and passing the state bar examination.
Our police are required to complete a basic police officer course where they are trained to leave immigration enforcement to ICE.
The only way to know if someone is here Illegally is if they tell you they are here illegally and that doesn't hold up in court unless you can document that you informed them of their rights. You don't speak their language and they won't talk to you in your language so you can't know if someone is illegal or not.
All of my acquaintances here illegally have told me all about their journey because they trust that I will not rat them out so I won't.
February 19, 2010 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
So koalemos does that make you guilty of aiding and abeting or harboring a fugitive?
February 19, 2010 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Koalemos the last post was an attempt at humor but I do have a question.
Why must the supposed illegal be informed of his/her rights?
Much like the terrorists at Gitmo they don't have any rights under the constitution because they're not citizens of the nation for which the constitution was written.
February 19, 2010 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I am an American. I can watch one person shoot another person and I have no obligation to report the shooting or even testify.
You are wrong about the constitution of the united states. It protects anyone standing on U.S. soil and the bill of rights exists to protect people from government. If the tea party comet to power, we will really appreciate the bill of rights because from what I have seen so far, the tea party is racist and ignorant. That is a dangerous combination.
February 19, 2010 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"I am an American. I can watch one person shoot another person and I have no obligation to report the shooting or even testify."
Last I checked you could in fact be prosecuted for doing what you just said. You can stay silent but odds are it will be in jail.
February 19, 2010 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rabblerouser (anonymous) says...
eucharistandcannabis
The Blogger as you call them was the President of the United States and far from a blogger. He was the Leader of the United States of America and heck, they probably didn't even know what a blogger was in 1919.
I am neither a European or Latino, Caucasian, Chinese or Black. I am an American!
February 19, 2010 at 6:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
"You can stay silent but odds are it will be in jail."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Am...
February 19, 2010 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Try it, see what happens.
February 19, 2010 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Try what? I never witness any crimes being committed. Well, one of my neighbors allows his trash to blow onto my lawn but I just pick it up and throw it back on his side of the fence. If he calls the cops I'll rat him out though.
February 19, 2010 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
The way I always understood it was that you have no obligation to report the commission of a crime. If you witnessed a crime being committed and did not call authorities...authority could not come back to you later and charge you with failure to report.
If they then start questioning you about what you saw.....you do have an obligation to respond. But even then you don't have to tell the truth. If caught in the lie however you can then be prosecuted for that...but that usually would only occur if you had sworn an oath about your testimony.
I'm not certain about any of this so trust it at your peril. But one more point to keep in mind, when dealing with law enforcement at the street level....the law is often what they say the law is. They hold all the cards.
February 20, 2010 at 5:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 19, 2010 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"All of my acquaintances here illegally have told me all about their journey because they trust that I will not rat them out so I won't."
Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 19, 2010 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I never witness any crimes being committed."
Which one is it?
February 20, 2010 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Not speaking for koalemos because I don't know about his situation. But from a legal perspective...my guess would be that the crime would be entering the U.S. illegally...which I presume he did not witness....all the rest would be hear-say. That's because they are under no oath to tell him the truth and might just be making things up...or he might be making things up.
As to any other crimes he may be referring to I will let him address that himself.
February 20, 2010 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
So it's just the entering that is illegal, not the being here and living here, which he has admitted to witnessing, that is illegal? I don't think it works that way. If it did they couldn't deport people unless they saw them entering illegally.
February 20, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I really don't know about that. I am fairly certain there are other charges that can be applied to an illegal that occur after he enters the country. And I am equally certain that ICE can determine that an illegal entry was made without actually having to witness the entry.
But koalemos does not have access to the documentation necessary to make that determination....so in the absence of his witnessing the entry.....he is only taking their word for it that it was an illegal entry...and that makes it hearsay. If it is hearsay then all subsequent violations based on that illegal entry or also hearsay......because the only reason he knows they are here illegally is their unsworn affirmation that it is true.
Its like I could tell you that I had murdered somebody. You could go to the police with what I told you and they might well come and question me about it. But all I would have to do is say....Oh I was just shining him on and making things up...and in the absence then of any concrete proof that such a murder did occur.....they couldn't even file charges on me....much less convict me of anything.
But hey.....I'm just being the frustrated lawyer wannabe that I am and am arguing for the sake of argument. Nothing personal.....just arguing for fun.
February 20, 2010 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
The dude who lets his packing material blow all over is a big criminal. That stuff is white like snow and if you hit it with the lawn mower it is even harder to pick up. I wish the cops would deport my neighbor but he was born in the US so he gets to commit crimes scott free. My illegal alien friends help me pick up that stuff and they help me weed my garden. I like drinking their beer and watching them stack stones or chop down trees. Illegal aliens are hard workers and if they like you, great friends. Plus they get great prices on meat from Tyson. My gringo neighbors wouldn't help my with my garden or get meat for me so I don't care if my friends are here without papers. When this shooting happened they told me all about it. I knew more about it that the paper could tell. It is a real tragedy but like they say down south...que sera sera.
February 20, 2010 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"but he was born in the US so he gets to commit crimes scott free"
So do illegal aliens.
February 20, 2010 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Well with the highest percentage of incarcerated people in all first world countries....somebody in this country is not getting to commit "crimes scott free".
February 20, 2010 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I read a book about the good old days when a white man could own a black man. There was a group of white men who didn't think it was right so they helped the black man escape from the slave owner. At the time, the people who helped slaves escape were called criminals by the white people but today white people say they would have helped slaves escape too. I really don't believe them because they show no compassion for mankind. Well some of them anyway
February 20, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcer...
The link provides stats on the incarceration rate in the U.S. compared to other countries in the world. We are way out in front.
February 20, 2010 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FMhnl...
February 20, 2010 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
Myself I don't care if they are here legally or illegally. If they are here to work and abide by the law then fine, the ones that don't should go back. I'm waiting for the day when all the illegals get deported and the prices sky rocket here in the good old USA. Many of you say that illegals take the jobs away from our fellow Americans. Many of the illegals are filling the jobs that our citizens won't do. Why? Because no one wants to go work in the fields 10-12 hours a day making $6 an hour. So, when they all get deported. I'm going to sit back and watch all the people crying and sobbing over having to pay $4 for a head of lettuce, $7 for a pint of strawberries, $9 for a bag of oranges or apples, everything will sky rocket once all the illegals are gone.
I worked for an organization in Wichita for 5 years. We would (try) to find jobs for people whom were unemployed. On a percentage of 100 people, 90 of those refused a job because it paid under $6.00 an hour. I recall so many unemployed people stating they wouldn't take the job because they were worth at least $9 an hour. Okay, so it's better to stay unemployed and sometimes on the street than to accept a pay check of $230 a week. In my eyes I don't think so, but this is a common problem all over the U.S. Once all the illegals are gone, expect the prices to sky rocket, because then these companies will be forced to hire employees expecting to be paid $10 - $15 an hour. ( And it will happen one day.) So all of you go on and whine, get your blood pressure all out of whack fretting about getting all these illegals out of our country, then when their gone you can whine and fret all about the sky rocketing prices. LMAO Dammed if you do damned if you don't situation.
February 20, 2010 at 1:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
inaweoftheblindness
You may be right about the price of things if they were all to go back, and I would agree that they will do jobs for less than unemployed whites.
But they could still do the same job if they were legal, they might even get a pay raise.
February 20, 2010 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I charge $500 per hour or $150 for fifteen minutes.
February 20, 2010 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 20, 2010 at 12:58 p.m... Hear Hear is all I can say.
Do some of you realize that the blacks are still treated like crap in Mississippi. This is 2010 and the blacks there ( In some towns of Mississippi) still cannot have prom or other functions with the white race. It ain't about who's legal and who ain't in this country, it's all about racism. Period!
February 20, 2010 at 1:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Myself I don't care if they are here legally or illegally. If they are here to work and abide by the law then fine, the ones that don't should go back."
If they are here illegally, they are not here to abide by the law.
February 20, 2010 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
Oh and before I leave for the day, heres another thought. The amnesty back in 1989....Our good ole Government messed that up too...I'm all for amnesties, but the Government left out an important rule in order to become documented workers in the U.S. > All immigrants must learn to speak English within 6 years to remain in lawful status. All those people whom were given legal status in the U.S. back in 1989 were in no way obligated to learn the language here. If our Government is going to do an amnesty, this should be one of the higher recommendations for retaining legal status.
February 20, 2010 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
inaweoftheblindness (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks.....you are probably a hateful, unhappy lost sole and I am not going to waste my time with your hateful comments. Be straight about it. You simply hate Mexicans, plain and simple...It's soooooo obvious lmao
February 20, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
tbluma
I think the problem with you theory is that the ones immigration allows to come in legally are the one's that are qualified to make 25-40 dollars per hour. The trained ones with marketable skills that take jobs from us.
The ones with no marketable skill except their bodies are the ones immigration will not allow to enter legally. The ones that might gain some from being able to pick our cucumbers legally.
Now, I wonder who set things up this way.....I'll bet it wasn't the Mexicans. You don't suppose the employers who are capitalizing off of filling their low end jobs with cheap illegal labor might have had anything to do with it do you?
February 20, 2010 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
US Corporations recruit a workforce that will accept low wages and tolerate arduous work conditions. The type of person that they need for cutting meat is someone who is scared of authority. By actively recruiting illegals, these corporations are able to keep wages low without he risk that an educated work force poses. The process for recruiting illegals is illegal so the corporations hire private HR firms to do the recruiting. If you are interested in becoming a private HR company and you are willing to train illegals how to get a $6 per hour job, you too can make $150 - $1000 per hour.
February 20, 2010 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Posted by seriouslyfolks (anonymous) on February 17, 2010 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I know of several bilingual folks that are laid off right now. Shouldn't be too hard to find an interpreter.
February 20, 2010 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
There are christian organizations who go to places like Haiti and tell parents of young children that their child can go to the U.S. and study while at the same time telling Americans who want to adopt that these children are orphans and need a good home. Why won't the Christian church stop this deception? Could it be money?
February 20, 2010 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Posted by seriouslyfolks (anonymous) on December 24, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Those of us that work at Tyson,Hopkins, and other factories and businesses around town are way ahead of the college. We interact with or coworkers and friends from all over the world. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Mexico, Cuba, Somalia, Kenya, Puerto Rico, and others. Diversity is not something new to us, it's been a part of our lives for a long time. If you spend 40 plus hours a week with people, You tend to get to know them even if you aren't speaking the same language."
http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
February 20, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Bisquit
I hate to harp on this fact but here it is.
If the illegal was legal and could speak english there are serveral jobs that have the opportunity for $50K
plus insurance, pd. vacation, and retirement.
High school grad. or GED is not really necessary, but they would need to be able to learn.
Of course these jobs are open for anyone willing to WORK.
February 20, 2010 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
koalemos
There is a forum specifically for bashing on anything and everything that people who say they are Christians do that was started by 'enry. I'm pretty sure you know about and have added your blows to it. I think your last comment would fit better over there. This thread is about some people thinking illegal immigration is good and calling ones who don't think breaking the law is good, racists.
February 20, 2010 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I have had the same experience interacting with friends and co-workers from all over the world. I wonder why we ended up with such different views on the subject?
I believe it takes more than a just functional knowledge of both languages to serve as an interpreter. And that's before you even get into working with dialects.
February 20, 2010 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
I work with a Spanish speaking lady from Cuba at present. She and a Spanish speaking lady from Mexico at times have a hard time understanding each other.
I have talked to people from England that I could barely understand anything they said...and they had the same problem with me
February 20, 2010 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
No argument there tbluma. All immigrants (legal or otherwise) would be so much better off if they would just learn the language. That doesn't mean they have to give up their own language when with friend and family from home.....but their earning potential goes up greatly when they learn to speak English.
Of course it takes time....especially for adults....and we should be patient and helpful. The lady from Cuba I just mentioned. I help her practice her English...and by so doing...she is teaching me more Spanish. It is a win--win.
February 20, 2010 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks....I take serious issue with your description of what this thread is about. Your description is every bit as biased and prejudiced as what you are accusing others of being.
February 20, 2010 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Didn't mean to imply that nobody else on this thread has been biased and prejudiced...some of them have. But your joining in the bias does nothing to make the bias better. And I now damned well that I sometimes am guilty of the same thing.
February 20, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
know...not now....sorry OutsiderJ
February 20, 2010 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
sorry biscuitboy. I just get really tired of people calling me racist because I think the law is the law. More than likely I spend more time with people of different races and creeds than anyone on these threads. Some people I get along with great, some not. Race has never been an issue for me. I give everyone an equal opportunity. When I met someone I great them with a smile and keep that smile on my face toward them until they give me a reason to change my attitude toward them. This goes for everyone, no matter what they look like. So when someone calls me a racist I get kinda mad.
February 20, 2010 at 3:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
seriouslyfolks
Thank you for understanding that I really wasn't picking on just you I was just taking issue with the one statement.
February 20, 2010 at 4:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
The one thing that everyone on this planet has in common is that we all would like to think that we try to do good better than the next guy and none of us like it when we are belittled by that guy cause we are better and that guy either doesn't understand or he is doing it on purpose which is bad so the other guy is the bad one and we are on the side of the angels and if you point out that someone in our group is bad so we'll point out that you can't judge the whole group by the actions of one rogue person. After that we will catch our breaths and then point out one rogue act performed by your group and act as if it means something more than what it means and the war goes on unchanged for thousands of years with everyone agreeing that all men were created equal, endowed by their creator with unalienable rights yet we still alienate those rights because our creator loves us more.
How would I feel if you were to complement me? What if you belittle me? What if you say something funny? Will I laugh?
That would all depend on whether I understood you correctly or not. Even in environments where everyone speaks the same language some people become offended due to misunderstanding. Sorry about bringing up the criminals who use Christianity as a front to traffic children. They lie and say they are something good because if they said they were Satanists no one would trust them.
February 20, 2010 at 4:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Seriously,
When someone calls me a racist I know they are desperate and have nothing logical left to say, so they play the race card in desperation. Just laugh about it, you yourself know where you stand, there would be a lot more than 1 idiot calling you a racist if you were in fact one, and for the record, I have never known you to make one racist comment on these boards, my 2 cents
February 20, 2010 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
So even if they are criminals fronting as Christians...we are to never question, criticize, nor judge. For to do so is in the eyes of many Christians is tantamount to questioning or judging Jesus.
The same can be said of so many of these super-patriot types that equate the exercise of freedom with blind obedience to patriotic bells and whistles. Question the bells and whistles and you must hate freedom. The true lover of religion or freedom either one however is the person that recognizes both can be practiced in a multitude of ways different than our own.
February 20, 2010 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Thanks goodoleboy.
February 20, 2010 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
bisquitboy
"So even if they are criminals fronting as Christians...we are to never question"
Question them all you want. It's a free country. The comment that brought that up was way out of place and I just suggested a place were it would be more appropriate and all the other like minded people like to hang out.
February 20, 2010 at 5:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I though we were talking about people who get into our country from the different places around the world. All I was trying to inject into this discussion is that there are more ways of getting here than wading across the rio grande. There are people who are tricked into coming here too. Many of the people who are here illegally didn't know they were going to be outlaws by being here. If you don't believe that Tyson doesn't recruit illegal immigrants your naive to how the world works.
February 20, 2010 at 5:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
I meant to say how the world of supply and demand works. Your naive about how the world of supply and demand works.
February 20, 2010 at 5:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
If you don't believe companies recruit illegals consider this. Back when Tyson was still running the kill floor operation here I ask a group of guys how they found their way to Emporia, Kansas of all places. They said recruiters down on the Tex-Mex border tells them about here...gives them names of people to see...and sometimes provides transportation to bring them here and drop them off at Tyson's hiring office. Sounds pretty organized to me.
February 20, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Ask a prostitute in a central american government licensed brothel how she got there. A sign on bonus, training and a good paying job in exchange for a signature on a pile of papers.
February 20, 2010 at 6:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Who said they didn't believe that Tyson and other companies try to get cheep labor? What does companies trying to get cheap labor have to do with illegal activity? Are the lowest paid people working at Tyson better off than the average person in Mexico?
The more I think about the many and great opportunities people have in this country the more thankful I am for the capitalistic ideals that built this country and provided those opportunities.
"America: What a country!" Yakov Smirnoff
February 20, 2010 at 7:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
"Strange world we have concocted for ourselves." Preston Monroe
February 20, 2010 at 7:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"Long live Chaps!" Steve Corbin
February 20, 2010 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
A summer or so ago, I witnessed a ICE protest. My thoughts and sentiments were, if you have done no wrong, you have nothing to fear. I am sure there are people that are here under false assumptions, but I am confident they are the minority, and there is always the fact that as they find out the truth it is morally compromising of them to continue residing here knowing they are in the wrong.
February 20, 2010 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
"My thoughts and sentiments were, if you have done no wrong, you have nothing to fear."
My thoughts and sentiments are, If the government sends armed men to your workplace checking everyone's papers, you have everything to fear. I never carry my birth certificate with me to the job site. Of course my skin doesn't have a whole lot of melanin so nobody ever bothers to check my papers. YET.
February 20, 2010 at 8:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Truth will come out, I am confident a valid DL and SSN would get you off the hook until a birth certificate could be provided. As I said earlier, if you have done no wrong you have nothing to fear.
February 20, 2010 at 8:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
There are legal ways to work here in the USA. Say you have a big farming operation and cannot find enough American Citizens in your area to help you farm. Then you can apply for temporary worker visas to fill your human resource needs. The workers you will get will come with representatives who will ensure the work conditions are tolerable and that the workers are not being subjected to unlawful employment abuses or practices. If you can meet the requirements, you will have a steady flow of temporary workers at hourly rate determined by the governments prevailing wage for the job title. Or, you could just contract out the planting and harvest to someone with a crew of undocumented workers and save all the hassles with documentation and inspections and tax withholding and payroll and just get your crops to market and count your profits.
February 20, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Posted by koalemos (anonymous) on February 20, 2010 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
" Of course my skin doesn't have a whole lot of melanin"
I thought you were Native American.
I am believe less and less of what you say everyday.
"Posted by seriouslyfolks (anonymous) on February 18, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Atleast when I say outrageous things they are funny. Well ... most of the time. Alright ............ some of the time."
February 20, 2010 at 9:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
That should have read "I believe less and less of what you say everyday."
February 20, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
My Great Grandpa was German and my Great Grandma was Native American which makes my Great Great Grandpa Native American too. When the color of a mans skin is of no more significance that the color of his eyes, the world will know peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCPBpC...
February 20, 2010 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
When I was a young guy living predominantly with people of Mexican descent....I learned the color of your eyes could be pretty important. Many of the Mexican girls were quite fascinated by guys with blue eyes....I had blue eyes and blond hair......hence I thought blue eyes were very important.
Unfortunately.....many of the blue eyed guys treated the Mexican girls in less than nice ways.....to my shame I was one of those guys. The Mexican girls quickly learned there was nothing special about those blue eyes, and my blue eyes then were no longer important to me either. I was the loser in that learning experience.
Within the past year I received an opportunity I didn't think I would ever get in my life. I actually got the chance to see one of those girls that I had treated badly so many years ago and to tell her how sorry I had been for so many years. She was very gracious and forgiving. She ultimately took me by the hand....looked straight into my face....and said...you still have those beautiful blue eyes. That is a true story.
February 21, 2010 at 4:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
My eyes are brown but I was told that it is because I'm full if $#!+
February 21, 2010 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Ah P-Man
reminded me of Crystal Gail.
http://www.romantic-lyrics.com/ld23.s... -
February 21, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
~~~~~ I DONT CARE TO READ ALL OF THE NONSENSE ON HERE BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY THAT THE MAJORITY OF YOU FORGOT WHAT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE WAS: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRELIMINARY HEARING FOR A MAN INVOLVED IN A HOMICIDE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE COURT DID NOT HAVE A BACK-UP TRANSLATOR. OH WELL! THE IMPORTANT THING IS GETTING THIS CRIMINAL OFF OF OUR STREETS AND LETTING HIM ROT IN A CELL FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.~~~~~~~~~
February 21, 2010 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chevy_Guy (anonymous) says...
noname
Why would you want this guy to rot in a cell for the rest of his life? He didn't shoot anybody. At least not that I'm aware of. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve jail time, but I don't think he should spend the rest of his life in prison. The shooter should be the one spending his life behind bars.
Your Caps lock is on, BTW.
February 21, 2010 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
~~~BTW, MY CAPS LOCK IS INTENTIONALLY LEFT ON. HOPE I DIDNT HURT YOUR EARS!
ANYWAYS, HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE AND THE KEY NEEDS TO BE MELTED AWAY. HE IS JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THE OTHER GUY. IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW THE LAW, AIDING AND ABETTING CARRIES THE SAME PUNISHMENT AS BEING THE TRIGGER MAN. SO IF HE IS CONVICTED, HE'S JUST THROWN AWAY THE REST OF HIS WORTHLESS LIFE.
February 22, 2010 at 12:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
noname
Thank you for your caring and compassionate thought on this matter. But you apparently have forgotten.....or just don't care...that as of this moment he has been convicted of nothing. So locking him away for the rest of his life is at present a bit premature.
That is unless you have personal, direct, knowledge that would establish his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If you do I would suggest that you take it immediately to the proper authorities....failure to do so might also land you in some hot water. Perhaps you and he would then be allowed to share the same cell whereby you could exchange your thoughts on this matter.
If however you are attempting to prove to the rest of us what a thinking individual you are......you sir have failed.
February 22, 2010 at 5:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
noname
I just looked at your user profile and see that you have posted a total of eight times....all of them in reference to this subject.
It seems quite obvious that you knew the victim and had positive feelings about him.
After having read that I feel I better understand your pain and anger.....and I then apologize for my knee-jerk reaction to your posts. The wheels of justice do seem to turn slowly...but most of the time they do turn. Give them that time.
As to our rather rambling discourse......it happens all the time. If you have read or followed any other threads on this forum you would be aware of how one thing leads to another. It's just the way these things work
February 22, 2010 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
noname (anonymous) says...
~~~~ THANK YOU FOR YOUR LAST COMMENT. I AM IN FACT ON THE VICTIM'S SIDE AND THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS. THE FAMILY ONLY SEEKS FOR JUSTICE TO BE MADE SO THAT THIS NIGHTMARE WILL COME TO AN END. A MOTHER IS MOURNING THE LOSS OF HER SON, A WIFE IS LEFT WITHOUT A COMPANION,AND A CHILD HAS BEEN LEFT WITHOUT A FATHER; THEREFORE, I FEEL THAT BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS NEED TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
I ONLY ASK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO POST ON THESE FORUMS TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE VICTIM'S FAMILY CAN ALSO ACCESS THE COMPUTER AND LOOK AT THESE DEROGATORY COMMENTS.
ILLEGAL OR LEGAL, ENGLISH OR NON-ENGLISH, CRIMINAL OR NON-CRIMINAL, THESE THINGS ARE ONLY A GRAIN OF SALT NOW BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT A PESON LOST THEIR LIFE OVER SOMETHING SENSELESS. IT IS STILL UNKNOWN WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT IS, THIS CRIME CANNOT GO WITHOUT PUNISHMENT.~~~~~~
February 22, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
koalemos (anonymous) says...
Nönâmé is such a nice sounding name. Is it french?
February 22, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
moved to a forum:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/...
February 22, 2010 at 10:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )