Support sags
Emerson Lynn Jr.
Wednesday, September 9, 2009
POLLS SHOW WANING support for health care reform. While more than 60 percent favored re-form following President Barack Obama’s election. That support has shrunk to a little over 50 percent, pollsters report.
That huge change came about because critics have raised fears that the president’s plan was too expensive and might cause more harm than good.
The key words are fear and doubt.
Health care now consumes about 17 percent of the nation’s gross national product — more than one out of every seven dollars spent in our economy. Changing the system would affect every man, woman and child in the country to some degree.
It is not surprising that a majority of Americans have grown very nervous at the prospect of such a nation-changing reform; a nervousness made even more wrenching by the worst worldwide recession in 50 years.
Opposition to reform also grows from the fact that about 84 percent of U.S. households have health insurance that covers ordinary needs. Those lucky enough to have coverage that has proved adequate for their own family health ex-penses lack a personal sense of urgency on the issue.
The 16 percent who are uninsured are unorganized and have no political voice.
The under-insured, a much larger group, are largely unaware of their exposure to financial disaster growing from a major illness or serious injury.
Those who do get overwhelmed by massive medical costs, such as Cody Wools and his family in Humboldt, are too few in numbers to carry much weight in the national health care conversation.
Facing these facts, President Obama and his supporters are reduced to logical arguments that may not drive folks to action.
It is true that the United States spends almost twice as much on health care as does any other nation without creating better health outcomes; it is true that health care costs continue to rise faster than inflation and threaten to overwhelm the federal budget within a few years; it is true that the Medicare program itself faces bankruptcy in 2017 unless costs are reined in; but it is not true that these facts drive the average American to demand Congressional action.
That’s the challenge that faces the president as he prepares to address a joint session of Congress — and the American people — today.
Emerson Lynn Jr.
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Observer (anonymous) says...
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefin...
The ball is in President Obama's court to reach out to Republicans if he wants a bipartisan bill on healthcare reform, House GOP Leader John Boehner (Ohio) said Monday morning.
Boehner told reporters that the president has not invited House GOP leaders to the White House for meetings on healthcare reform since the end of April.
Earlier this year, GOP leaders sent a letter to the president in May stating that they would like to work with the administration to find "common ground" on healthcare reform.
But the administration responded with a tersely worded letter indicating that they had healthcare reform under control.
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Perhaps if the administration were truly interested in reforming the system rather than growing government more support would be forthcoming.
Start with tort reform.
Affordable health insurance availability.
Clean-out the Drug Company lobbyists from Congress.
Until the stench of corruption is removed from Washington DC, further governmental mandates are pointless, and additional burden on Joe the Plumber.
September 9, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I forget again, Observation - which one is the "Party of No"? :)
September 9, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Observer (anonymous) says...
Hi Open eyes;
It is Observer not Observation.
It makes no difference whether it is the Republicrats of Democans, until the Congress gets off the Lobbyist "hog trough", no change can happen.
The insurance companies, medical corporations, etc. hold sway. They can mandate huge government expenditures, and legislate mandatory corporate health insurance till the cows come home, but if they don't clean-up the system, the result will be restricted access, reduction in geriatrics and neo-natal, and a larger percentage of the population being penalized.
Obama is smooth and can sell freezers to the Eskimos, but if they don't clean-up their house the foundation of Obamacare is sheer corruption.
September 9, 2009 at 6:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Observer (anonymous) says...
Rep. Frank Kratovil Jr. (D-MD):
Opposes current legislation in the House, but remains open to public option. He opposes the measure currently under consideration in the House and will vote against it unless there are significant changes. Among his objections: the price, which would add $239 billion to the deficit over 10 years, according to a preliminary estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. He's also concerned, he says, that the measure is too generous to the poor, at the expense of the middle class, and potentially harmful to rural areas of Maryland, like the Eastern Shore, which already have trouble attracting and keeping doctors. At the same time, Kratovil speaks with evident passion about the need for change. He said in an interview that he "absolutely" would support a more "reasonable" plan, though he acknowledges that he doesn't know how to close the cost gap. Unlike many of his fellow Blue Dogs, he's not against including a public insurance option. He said he would favor one that creates an "equal playing field" and legitimate competition with private insurance companies. "I don't follow the fear that having a public option means the beginning of a single-payer system," he said, sitting in a windowless conference room at his Salisbury district office. (Paul West, “A Blue Dog Democrat's View From The Middle,” The Baltimore Sun, 8/23/09)
Rep. Jim Marshall (D-GA):
“As the Bill Stands Right Now, I Would Have to Vote ‘No.’” "As the bill stands right now, I would have to vote 'no' until we get a better handle on the costs. I am adamantly opposed to throwing more money at the current system." http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/main...
Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY):
“But I Will Not Vote For A Bill That Gets It Wrong, And If I Had To Vote Today For The Current Piece Of Legislation In Front Of Congress, I Would Not Be Able To Support It.”“U.S. Rep. Eric Massa said if he had to vote today on America's Affordable Health Care Choices Act, he would probably vote against it. ‘We all know that one in six don't have health insurance. We all know that we pay more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world. These things need to be addressed, and doing nothing, which is what so many want to do, is simply not an option,’ said Massa, D-Corning. ‘But I will not vote for a bill that gets it wrong, and if I had to vote today for the current piece of legislation in front of Congress, I would not be able to support it,’ he said Tuesday during his weekly teleconference with the media.” (Ray Finger, “Massa Wary Of Health Care Reform Bill,” Star-Gazette, 7/22/09)
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http://drudgereport.com/flashwc.htm
September 9, 2009 at 6:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cheerup (anonymous) says...
Open eyes- I don't think Observation ever answered your question. I see that he is now quoting Democrats from remarks that are close to two months old????
September 9, 2009 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bdprotheroe (anonymous) says...
Why We Need Government-Run Universal Socialized Health Insurance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jng4Tn...
Brian Protheroe
San Francisco, CA
September 9, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Sorry, Observer - my oversight.
Speaking of lobbyists, maybe this is why we don't get tort reform:
In 2008, of 154 House or Senate candidates who received $10,000 or more directly from AAJ (American Association for Justice, formerly named the Association of Trial Lawyers of America), 149 were Democrats and only five were Republican. In 2006, only five of 191 were Republican. In 2004, only six of 137 were Republican, with the rest, again, all Democrats.
(The five Republican recipients of $10,000 each from AAJ in 2008 were Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Bill Posey of Florida, Timothy V. Johnson of Illinois, and Lee Terry of Nebraska, along with Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho.)
bdprothero, you forgot to display the other half of the argument, so I thought I'd do it for you.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPq6_7...
September 10, 2009 at 7:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
The Census Bureau reports that the number of people lacking health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008.
That's up from 45.7 million in 2007, due to a continuing erosion of employer-provided insurance. Still, the level remained just below the peak of 47 million who were uninsured in 2006, because of the growth of government insurance programs such as Medicaid for the poor.
September 10, 2009 at 9:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tbluma (anonymous) says...
How many of the 47 M are illeagal aliens, young people who could have ins. if they opted for it at work and people who are currently between jobs?
Barry wants to make it mandatory to have health insurance but according to Peggy Mast this morning we presently have 17% uninsured motorists in Ks. a state with a mandatory car insurance law and only 14% of people who don't have health ins. in Ks.
September 10, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I don't think I can support sags. When I see them young-ens with their britches saggin', I just want to tell em' to pull them things up and get a belt.
September 10, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bdprotheroe (anonymous) says...
Clearly stated in the House bill, "No federal payment (coverage) for undocumented aliens."
Section 246 (Page 143): http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-B...
September 10, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Aliens have a funny way of getting documented.
September 10, 2009 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bdprotheroe (anonymous) says...
GOP sponsored single-payer guaranteed Health Care in Iraq, but not in US
CURRENT News
"You'd better sit down, folks. Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by the Bush administration in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen."
The rest of the article: http://current.com/items/90903072_gop...
September 10, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Yet another reason I'm an independent.
September 10, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc....
Twice now the Dems have shot down amendments, along straight party-line votes, to add verification for legal citizenship status for the health care.
Uhm.... techically.... nobody is supposed to be in this country illegally. It's the LAW. Clearly stated.
How's that been working out so far?
September 10, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
"It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law."
That's the law. Clearly stated.
Mayor Gavin Newsom vowed Sunday to maintain San Francisco as a sanctuary for immigrants and do everything he can to discourage federal authorities from conducting immigration raids.
The mayor cannot stop federal authorities from making arrests, Newsom told about 300 mostly Latino members of St. Peter's Church and other religious groups supporting immigrants. But no San Francisco employee will help with immigration enforcement.
"I will not allow any of my department heads or anyone associated with this city to cooperate in any way shape or form with these raids," Newsom declared. "We are a sanctuary city, make no mistake about it."
The Board of Supervisors first declared San Francisco a "sanctuary city" in 1989.
Now, bpprotheroe from San Fran, what was that you were saying again about "clearly stated in the bill"?
September 10, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bdprotheroe (anonymous) says...
Dear open_eyes,
I do not engage in conversations with unidentified persons. My apology to you.
Sincerely,
Brian Protheroe
San Francisco, CA
September 10, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
That's why I usually sign my real name.
Seriously R. Folks
the midwest
September 10, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bdprotheroe (anonymous) says...
For those who have questions about the viability of universal health care, look no further than Healthy San Francisco; the country's first and only universal health care program. A model for the rest of the country.
The program has scored extremely good approval ratings! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...
Brian Protheroe
San Francisco, CA
September 10, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Brian, afraid there are so many holes in what you have stated. Concerning your reference to " Pres.Bush2005 and the Iraqui Constitution", one must consider the Iraquis religious beliefs and their body. I believe it is known they have total lack of consideration for such, cutting hands,arms etc off as punishment. Also, in reading what you posted and the Iraqi Constitution believe it stated "special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped." Where are WOMEN considered??? They aren't! World wide it is known what they do to young girls and or women in order to keep them as what is perceived as under "control". I believe those that wrote this KNEW what they were doing and TRYING to abide by the "law of the land" and not affend BUT give these people some hope. Brian, can you tell me, what percent of the people actually use the "medical" care?
Concerning in Emporia, Ks. I went to a meeting last evening concerning Medical care here and the cost. When the Speaker was asked "what percent of those uninsured were illegal aliens"? A answer wasn't given, just didn't know. What percent of the uninsured went to the "emergency room"(where cost is higher) then through their doctor,(not an emergency) couldn't answer. When asked "What percent of the cost was for duplicate procedures" couldn't answer. Yes, we need "reform" but do we need to replace with governement ran, NO!!!
September 10, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...
Immigration reform is next according to the administration, but until then what else can be done? The bill is clear on the matter. I am more worried about his immigration polices than the current health care debate.
September 10, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
For those who have questions about the viability of government-run universal health care, look not further than Hawaii:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4...
and another interesting way people there who should not be eligible are exploiting loopholes (which I'm sure the Dems have in mind when rejecting citizenship verification for their health care bill)
http://ohmygov.com/blogs/general_news...
September 10, 2009 at 3:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Brian, you amaze me!!! You haven't felt it so difficult to argue in the past with an "unknown". Will knowing the identity of someone, somehow change their views? Don't think so!!!!
Also, really not sure even "why" you are on here. If SF is so great, good, you have found a home. BUT something must be missing if you find it necessary to "share" with us "uneducated" and fat folks of Kansas your thoughts.
September 10, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
neighbor (anonymous) says...
Maybe he can teach us how to dress sandman :)
September 10, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Yes, goodoleboy, the bill IS clear on the matter, but verification is another thing. I can stand outside a bar underneath a sign that states that nobody, absolutely NOBODY under 18 will be allowed inside, but that does absolutely no good whatsoever if I either 1) Don't check anyone's id at all, or 2) accept any fake id regardless of how obvious a forgery it is. Anyone can go get a fake id or ssn card.
Question straight for the Dems on the committee: WHY exactly are you SO DANG against adding any verification? What do you have to gain or lose by saying, ok, you can show me a social security number, but I'm going to go online and use E-verify to prove that number is valid, and not 1) fake 2) belonging to a dead person somewhere, or 3) belonging to some 80-year old woman somewhere and you are a 22-year old male claiming it is your number. WHY are you against that? Unless......... you have a hidden agenda to push thru, either now, or further down the line. The standard excuse being used is "what we have now is good enough".
Really?
Call me a conspiracy theorist but when the pot on the stove is boiling you don't have to tell me if its hot or not.
September 10, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"Yes, goodoleboy, the bill IS clear on the matter, but verification is another thing."
Precisely, verification IS another thing, another thing to be dealt with when immigration reform happens, or is attempted. I am with you on verification, we need it, but this is health care reform.
"The standard excuse being used is "what we have now is good enough".
Really?"
No, what we have now is not good enough, Dems and Rep know this, and the president is looking hard at reform on this matter next year. It is my belief that Immigration reform will make or break Obama. Health care is reform is needed now, as is immigration reform. I am thankful for one thing with this administration, that they are tackling these issues, they need to be addressed.
September 10, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
goodloleboy, I believe open_eyes is REFERRING to medical reform. If we start checking out "legall" status (that REFERS to all!() and stop giving illigals FREE medical, social security, food stamps etc., the cost WOULD go down.
What truly amazes me, we are ever so glad NOT to question the status of ILLIGALS but are so eargerly questioning the"benefits" our military,what they receive, pay etc. These young women and men ARE serving OUR nation!!!! Do you realize that in todays military, you MUST pay for your uniforms? When I was in a NUMBER of years ago, they were "issued" to us as part of our so called "benefits". Check the pay that we give OUR military compared to what an illigal will be able to receive. I have friends that are disabled from the
Vietnam period, they CONTINUALLY cut their benefits. THEY WERE SERVING OUR NATION!!!! We, as a nation "PLACED" THEM IN THE "LIine of Fire"!!! What is wrong with this picture????? At one time the military could have medical care for spouses/children,not anymore!!!! They MUST pay!!!!!!
Boy! Goodoleboy!!! you set this girl off!!!! There is so much that COULD be done to correct the medcial situation WITHOUT giving it to the government, who in honesty, can't tie their shoes without help!!!!! Just look around you at WHAT the government NOW runs, and you can't name one area that they AREN'T in trouble!!!! Remember, the more you give, the more they want!!!! This refers to any area of life.
September 10, 2009 at 9:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spectator (anonymous) says...
In connection with sandman's comments in reference to the treatment of veterans - did I read correctly a few weeks ago that your president wanted the military people to pay for their own health insurance because, after all, they volunteered ? I think he backed off on this, though. Are you aware that he has is refusing to allow retired vets to receive free flu shot vaccines ?
September 10, 2009 at 10:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
Lets see whats in the final bill shall we? I believe a final resolution is still awhile off. Until then lets see what goes up for legislation shall we? Or should we treat it like the president's education speech and just assume.......?
September 11, 2009 at 12:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_p...
Again lets not let our emotions rule us.....
September 11, 2009 at 12:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
That sure is funny, YY4U, when I get my drivers license, health insurance, apply for a job, etc..... I'm asked to produce my documents and I'm as white as they come. And I have no problem with them putting my SSN in the system to verify that I AM who I say I am. What is so racist and wrong about that?
And yes, I AM referring to the health care bill. If we're supposed to wait and see what is in the final bill before we say anything, then lets all just turn off the TV and radio and keep our mouths shut until it gets shoved down our throat. And then nobody will have any right to complain. Yeah, lets just all stand by quietly why they shove everything else down our throat without questioning it one whit until its too late. Right. Now there's a brilliant idea. I am, as plain as day in my earlier posts, directly asking why 2 amendments to add verification have been rejected. And nobody can give a good answer why. They are debating and adding/subtracting things to the bill on a daily basis. Its part of the process. Verification is something the American people want. Why is it being rejected? And along straight party lines at that?
September 11, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Yeah, I've had to provide documentation for all sorts of things like jobs , the Army, and such and I'm a lily white cracker as well. When asked to provide these papers.................. I did it. It was super easy. One time at my current job I was putting in a transfer to another position within the company and the H.R. person asked for a copy of my DD214 even though I knew I had given them one when I was hired. I did what they asked, no biggie.
Not everything is about racism.
It makes people feel even more uncomfortable with health care reform when all their legitimate concerns are quickly dismissed as racism or paranoia or whatever.
September 11, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I still have my military ID card and it's green. It's in my wallet right now.
R.
September 11, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Funny how most other countries have much stricter immigration laws than us (and actualy ENFORCE them) yet we're the ones showing all the hatred. Have you checked out Mexico's? "Neutral" Switzerland's? Maybe if the laws we have on the books were actually enforced there wouldn't be so much "anger".......
So, again. WHAT exactly is wrong with requiring verification - for everyone?
September 11, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
IMMIGRATION LAWS TOUGHER ELSEWHERE, STUDY REPORTS
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IMMIGRA...
"Immigration-rights activists dismissed the parallels, particularly between Japan and Switzerland, as ridiculous."
Well of course they would. Duh.
September 11, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I guess I must have had too much of a tan or something everytime in my entire life I've ever applied for anything or traveled overseas, because that has never been my experience. You must get all your documentation from that ACORN worker who was explaining to the undercover folks (on the news last night) how to run the prostitution business and get tax credits and cheap housing. She explained how to list all the underage El Salvadoran girls as "dependents" to get tax credits. And ACORN got billions of $$ in the stimulus plan. Yep, our tax $$ hard at work. But, I guess, once could consider that "stimulus" - of a sort...... :)
September 11, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Mine was issued on Oct. 22 1995. I only had 5 month left before I ETSed and didn't think I needed a new one but they insisted(as they often do ;) ) since they were going to a more high tech card with computery bar codes and such on them.
R.
September 11, 2009 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, you went and DID it again!!!! "let's not let our emotions rule us!" We ARE speaking of OUR country and the ill affects that socialized medicine would have on it and the various "causes" of such!!!! When I see, in a parade, our flag flying, yes! I place my hand over my heart and THANK GOD that I live in the USA. When I see a child playing, I marvel at his existence. Are we to become "dormant"concerning our nation? I often give as an example, being a widow, I am "dormant" not DEAD!!! I WILL NOT become dormant concerning my nation for it is my living, my childrens lives, my grandchildren!!!!
"Emotions" ARE a MAJOR part of us and as a nation, help make us who we are. Did those writing our constitution not show the emotions they held? Freedom from being "ruled"? Yes, we are under "fire" and we BETTER react!!!
I understand, that with the census coming up, that in the past we have used a "long form" and a "short form", the long form, actual information of population, the short form, used in deciding "state representation". We have used this method because of the population of "illegal alians", not
showing them on the "short form". This year, guess what? From what I understand, we WILL be using only the short form! and yes, they WILL be COUNTING ALL the illegals!!! Now, does this make a difference??? Your DARN right!!! How is the number of representatives for each state determined?? BY POPULATION!!!! Doesn't this scare you? It sure as hick, does me!!!!! Emotions???? You bet!!!!
September 11, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I hope some tax money goes to those El Salvadorian prostitutes to teach them to drink responsibly.
September 11, 2009 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Well, I did not approve of the Congressman shouting out at the President's speech. There is a time and a place for everything - and I think during the speech respect should be shown. The congressman can go on the news afterwards and explain the lies. I don't want to see yelling and shoving matches on our congressional floor like we've seen in some other countries in the past few years.
But then again, Bush was booed and hissed at in Congress during a State of the Union address, and during inauguration also. Where was the outcry against "letting our emotions rule us" from the same people complaining now?
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/01/20...
http://minx.cc/?post=292091
But then again, Republicans booed Clinton, and so on...... so both sides are just as guilty as the other....
September 11, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Now I'm that way all the time, YY4U! LOL
And it still doesn't work. (Sigh). I guess this "kind friendly golden cracker color face" is just like the vast majority of people that routinely produce documents for nearly every aspect of life.
And I wouldn't mind it one bit if they took an extra 15 seconds to enter it into E-verify to confirm it. I have nothing to hide.
September 11, 2009 at 10:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Now, now, sandman. Remember, we're not supposed to complain until AFTERwards.......... apparently......... you know, "once it's too late", and all that........
September 11, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HenryVIII (anonymous) says...
I always thought you could "support sags" with tight-fitting undergarments...
'enry
September 11, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
HenryVIII, not if you LIKE breathing!!!! :-)
September 11, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Barack Obama does not support sags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ubCX...
September 11, 2009 at 12:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
As I said before, the bill is clear on illegal immigrants, it's been fact checked to death, there is no debate. Immigration reform will determine how we deal with verification, and again as I said before I am glad that both matters are getting brought to the forefront, health care and immigration both are broken.
"Yeah, lets just all stand by quietly why they shove everything else down our throat without questioning it one whit until its too late. Right. Now there's a brilliant idea."
Do you realize how many different versions are out there right now? We saw a semblance of the final version before the recess but as of now there is nothing set in stone nothing is for sure, just ideas being floated around. If you want to act like Rep Wilson and scream out for nothing, by all means go for it, but your wasting you time until something is cobbled together as it was in early August. Bottom line, we voted all these politicians in whether you like it or not they can ram home anything they can get the votes for, we are essentially out of the loop until the next elections, sure they are obligated to listen to the people, but there have been quite a few that have done things counter to what his/her constituents think. I'll wait until something of serious substance comes to the forefront, read it, then we can bellyache all you want.
September 11, 2009 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"But then again, Bush was booed and hissed at in Congress during a State of the Union address, and during inauguration also. Where was the outcry against "letting our emotions rule us" from the same people complaining now?
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/bu...
http://minx.cc/?post=292091
But then again, Republicans booed Clinton, and so on...... so both sides are just as guilty as the other...."
Uhhh, no one went as far as he did, hissing and groaning has been around for a long time, yelling out "You Lie" during a presidential speech in a formal setting is new territory, and I'm having a hard time finding people on the right defending his actions. He was way out of line, and a prime example of what happens to people that let their emotions cloud their judgment, they often do stupid things that they regret later. But if your into apologies then by all means, carry on....
September 11, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"goodoleboy, you went and DID it again!!!! "let's not let our emotions rule us!" We ARE speaking of OUR country and the ill affects that socialized medicine would have on it and the various "causes" of such!!!!"
Yeah, lets just blurt out whatever comes to mind and have zero respect for diplomacy. Having strong feelings and emotions on topics is a good thing, but having a passion for something is one, losing control of yourself is another. What is that old saying? "God gave you a brain for reason"...
""Emotions" ARE a MAJOR part of us and as a nation, help make us who we are. Did those writing our constitution not show the emotions they held? Freedom from being "ruled"? Yes, we are under "fire" and we BETTER react!!!"
And from what I read when they sat down to write said constitution they did it in a diplomatic fashion in accordance to respect of the time, hence they were not raving idiots spouting out whatever came to mind. Rep Wilson is lucky he didn't pull that stunt back then, he could be dueling with a chance at losing his life, but alas these days we can just say we are sorry, or blame something else and carry on as if everything is just dandy.
September 11, 2009 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Or maybe it hasn't been fact-checked enough:
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com...
I will respectfully keep my right to complain and bellyache during the entire process when things are being considered and voted on that I am against. I do not agree that we are "out of the loop" until the next election. Many a change has come about because of letter writing campaigns to representatives, protests, and public opinion. To think that there is absolutely nothing we can do until another election misses a big part of what we have in America. Of course they can ram whatever they want thru - unless they get worried about their re-election chances. (Tell me what politician isn't). Sure, there are quite a few that do things counter to what their constituents think. And there are quite a few that change and bow to public pressure from their constituents. Ideas get floated around and changed often because of exactly that - public outcry, pressure, and sentiment.
I, for one, won't sit by on my thumbs and whine that there's nothing I can do till the next election. Whether my elected representative chooses to listen to me or ignore me, that is up to him, and he/she can take their chances at the next election, but it won't be because I just threw my hands up in the air and quit.
September 11, 2009 at 1:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, what part of the below paragraph was escaped you?
"Well, I did not approve of the Congressman shouting out at the President's speech. There is a time and a place for everything - and I think during the speech respect should be shown. The congressman can go on the news afterwards and explain the lies. I don't want to see yelling and shoving matches on our congressional floor like we've seen in some other countries in the past few years."
But the remainder was pointing out this isn't the first time disrespect has been shown by members of Congress (within the chambers). Besides, there wasn't just booing and hissing during the Bush address. There were plainly people saying things, if you listen. You just couldn't make it all out because there were more people making noise with all the other "booing and hissing", unlike the near silence when the Rep yelled out liar. But I could plainly hear there were words being said that were not just boos and hisses.
September 11, 2009 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"Or maybe it hasn't been fact-checked enough:
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com...
Again until we see what Obama has in store, or what actual bill is chosen for the framework all the fact checking in the world won't matter. From your article:
"Just who is lying, though, depends upon which plan is being used to determine if illegal aliens are covered."
Thus why I wait to pass judgment until I see exactly where they are going, because as of now it's anyone's guess which bill gets backed.
September 11, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Let's go back to the days of duels and fist fights.
It may weed out some of the fat, lazy and corrupt theives that are in office now. The voters don't seem able or willing to do it.
September 11, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
"Many a change has come about because of letter writing campaigns to representatives, protests, and public opinion. To think that there is absolutely nothing we can do until another election misses a big part of what we have in America"
True, but my point is we elect officials to represent our views, once elected they hold our power, we can write letters and talk until we are blue in the face but my point is with our votes we pass the power to our elected officials to represent us. There have been many times an elected official has went against their constituency and still gained reelection. So yes, if they choose to take us out of the loop they can, it could preclude them from reelection but my point is valid, which is why I consider voting and being informed of your choices is so important.
September 11, 2009 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, I completely understand and agree with your last post, as you say, we both are right. Sometimes we are ignored, sometimes we are not. But as I said, I will respectfully continue to write and talk until I am "blue in the face". I won't stop just because I "might" be ignored. The only thing I know for 100% certainty is that if I do NOTHING, I can guarantee you I WILL be ignored.
September 11, 2009 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
"Thus why I wait to pass judgment until I see exactly where they are going, because as of now it's anyone's guess which bill gets backed."
Perhaps enough of a public outcry against one or the other, or certain provision of the bill, might be a determining factor in which gets backed?
September 11, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, you pointed out concerning my statement on "Emotions", which I STAND by. Now, can't "emotions" be "verbal"(quiet or loud) and also "a gut" feeling? In NO way am I stating that what Mr. Wilson did IS correct, it wasn't, but we can feel STRONGLY concerning a topic, displaying our emotions by spoken or written word WITHOUT fighting, can't we?.
If we sit back and do "nothing", WHAT is that going to achieve? NOTHING! Do you want us to wait "after the fact", when it is too late?????? Isn't that like waiting for the "atom" to be invented and when it is, we say "Oh! I never thought possible!". Sorry, Goodoleboy, but I truly feel we are being lead down a dark and dreary path and I'm scared!!!!
September 11, 2009 at 8:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
ment "Atomic Bomb" invented
September 11, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Everyone hates it when someone else makes a profit but they don't seem to mind makin' one for themselves. Funny how that works.
R.
September 11, 2009 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
There are those that probably belive that you make a killin' even though you may not.
September 11, 2009 at 11:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
YY4U, you remind me of that "ole" saying, "Want my cake but eat it too"Remember those in prison,jail have given up their rights of "freedom", I guess that is what you also want.
Yes, there are areas in "medical reform" that need "fixed" BUT are we willing to allow government to dictate and take control of that part of our life? I say, "NO". Let's "fix" what is broken but not necessarily "replace". We TRULY have the best "system" in the WORLD!
What truly amazes me, you can go into sports without anything but a HS education but yet sign-on for MILLIONS and the people say "YES"! But in "Medicine", where you must have a VAST amount of education with the knowledge you will maintain and continue thru out your service that or greater education, the people say "No". Just who/what are we trying to achieve with government controlled "medical service"? One less payment for the consumer?????? Regardless of service???????????????
September 12, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
If a church asks you for money you can simply leave.
If a private company tries to sell you something you can say no.
If the government wants your money for something you either let them take it or you go to jail.
September 12, 2009 at 10:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Please watch:
Part 1 www.YouTube..com/watch?v=j7sQHunYdN8
Part 2 www.youtube..com/watch?v=0MJsF11PsnQ
September 12, 2009 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
sandman
I couldn't get your links to work.
R.
September 12, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
seriously, I'm sorry. First time for me to try "cut and paste" and am not sure WHAT I did wrong. Still trying to figure out.
YY4U, what you have posted, HAS a lot of "lies"! OR you are very "misinformed". Now, having a sister who is "medicare", a retired teacher, has BC/BS as suplliment, also carries insurance for "drugs", guess what HER stay cost HER last winter? $4500. out of pocket!!! (one week)
No insurance??? Not sure where you get free, someone pays, we as tax payers!!!! That is one reason "cost" has gone up, so many want "free!"
Private Insurance???? Not sure where you got this, but whenever I've needed my insurance they've paid the 80
percent per agreement when I took out the policy and 100% on some. Maybe you need to check your policy that you agreed upon.
September 12, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7sQHu...
September 12, 2009 at 1:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MJsF1...
September 12, 2009 at 1:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Sorry, I'm am learning to "cut and paste". There are two
parts of the above. Hope I did it right and they come thru.
Thanks for being VERY patient with me!!!
September 12, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
sandman
You got it that time. Good job.
R.
September 12, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
goodoleboy, YEP! "God gave you a brain"-now, what are you
saying????? I'm sorry if you have difficulty in doing so!
OK, crack, I have the same "rights" as YOU!!!! You may not like what I've said but believe me, I don't care for some of the things you have said.
September 12, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
seriously, thank you for the compliment. Believe I got It!! Also learned how to scan using my scanner and put on computer. Busy day "learning" Again, thank you, very nice!
September 12, 2009 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Folks, I ment to mention concerning my above "cut&paste" that Mr. Crawford and his wife HAND delivered a copy of the film to each of their senate & representatives!!! Can't say if they "watched" but THEY can't say they didn't have the availability to do so!!!!
YY4U, sorry about the "homemade pie"(which sounds GOOD) Yes,I'm DETERMINED to at least try and get "educated" concerning the equipment I own. Afraid can be a VERY slow process, when "self" taught, woe is me!!!!
September 13, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
YY4U;
Don't know about YOUR cake but there was an old gal in France that had a great saying.
Let them eat cake!
She wasn't very popular for her time.
September 13, 2009 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
YY4U and Steve, Gee, the gal in France KNEW what she was saying!!!!! "Let them eat cake" Their country was destroyed (after war) and a total wreck BUT good ole USA gave them the rest, AND HAVE IT TOO! by rebuilding at OUR COST (very little repaid!) and then in 1963/64 their Pres. DeGaul had us close our military bases and bring our military home INCLUDING many of our war dead. Total "appreciation", RIGHT????????????? Been to France once and do not have the desire to return, RUDE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aND we had an English guide who spoke PERFECT french!!!!
Now, YY4U, do you understand???
September 13, 2009 at 8:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Ssy, kinda sounds like the "bailouts" we've been doing??? What do you say?????????????????
September 13, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
From the urban dictionary:
1. you can't have your cake and eat it too
This phrase is easier to understand if it is read as "You can't eat your cake, and have it too". Obviously once you've eaten your cake, you won't have it any more. Used for expressing the impossibility of having something both ways, if those two ways conflict.
He works so hard to pay for that fancy house of his that he never has any time to stay home and enjoy it.
Yeah, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
2. You can't have your cake and eat it too
something that is bittersweet.
getting a good half and a bad half to something.
John: So Tom did u get that English class you wanted?
Tom: Yea man. I love it. However the teacher is a total bitch!
John: Yea, well you can't have your cake and eat it too.
3. You can't have your cake and eat it too
An expression basically meaning that you can only have it so good, and you can't have it all.
An good example is if a situation is bittersweet.
Sara was sad that the guy whom had gotten very close to her in the past 3 years which she held a secret fondness for developed an interest in her best friend, Clare. In conversation with Clare, Sara explained the situation, to which Clare responded.
"You can't have your cake and eat it too."
4. You can't have your cake and eat it too
you cant enjoy what is yours. you can work or you can enjoy.
example:
you work really hard and finish a report, someone else takes credit.
or
you enjoy fishing and eating fish, you catch a fish, but your wife eats it.
she says "You can't have your cake and eat it too"
September 13, 2009 at 9:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Thanks open_eyes!! Believe we were saying the same thing, correct me if I am wrong. (country gone (eatten) we rebuild
(have it back) Now, if we had LET them rebuild at THEIR
own expense, it WOULD have been totally eatten (gone)
for a much longer period then we "allowed". We saved the
day!!! Didn't turn that "oven" off!!!
Now, open_eyes, you've got me laughing!!!! Not sure I've
said this correct or not. Oh! sucks!!!! Are you saying, "you
got yourself in this, get yourself out!!!!" Be the "gentleman"
(I hope) that I think you are. Oh! YY4u, go with what "open_eyes" has said!!!! I knew what I was thinking but not sure I said it!!!!!
September 13, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Open_eyes, NOW I need that glass of wine!!!!!
Say, which one would you rather have? Alzheimers(sp) or Parkinsons???
Parkinsons of course!!!! Better to spill half your beer then forget where you put it!!!!
Now what was I saying?????
September 13, 2009 at 9:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Ok, YY4U, go for it!!!!! Tis right for you!!!! I'm STILL laughing and I haven't had that glass of wine yet!!!!!! Catch you later!!!!
September 13, 2009 at 10:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
admireed (anonymous) says...
French Health Care
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.co...
September 13, 2009 at 11:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )