Another right gone
Jerry Wiley
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
NOW THAT WE have lost the right to smoke in public, what’s next? I thought this country was the United States of America, not the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics! Are you going to pay the bar owners the money in lost revenue? No, of course not, but these businesses will probably raise the cost of food, etc., to make up for the loss of customers. Alcohol kills more people than just the drunk driver. Should we have a dry county? Let’s put that to vote and see how many vote that down!
We have a lot of bars and liquor stores in the city. I’m not a politician or writer, but feel that it is the right of business owners to decide if smoking should be allowed or not. If Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public don’t want to frequent these businesses, they go elsewhere. How much pollution is in the air in car exhausts, industry and aircraft?
Jerry Wiley
Emporia
tbluma (anonymous) says...
Hell crack if they put it to rest you wouldn't have anything to bitch about.
June 10, 2009 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Comments by crackinsack
On Planners table substation request
Posted on May 14 at 2:38 p.m.
You are right, though, I do miss the heated debate of the smoking ban... Perhaps I need a hobby...maybe I'll take up smoking! LOL!
June 10, 2009 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
dhcc66 (anonymous) says...
maybe we should ban debating?? nah, then what would crack and oh4theluv do?? lol...just kidding guys, love these comment sections. it is healthy to debate
June 10, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
history_nerd (anonymous) says...
Personally, I'm hoping we lose the right to wear shoes on Wednesdays. I hate shoes.
June 10, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
history_nerd (anonymous) says...
Or the right to sell hair tonics to bald eagles on the Fourth of July. That is one right I would give up in a heartbeat.
June 10, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chiefsfan (anonymous) says...
or ban working.....I hate working
June 10, 2009 at 9:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
history_nerd (anonymous) says...
Ooh, that's a good one.
June 10, 2009 at 10:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Crack, as in the past you are very misguided. First, the smoking ban was only defeated by 6/8 votes which in itself states that 50 percent of the people relized what was truly being done. What the vote DOES say, "No matter which way you vote, VOTE". When you look at the percent that got out and voted, it was very low. I sincerely hope that in the future, when we are to vote on any item, you get out and vote, let your voice be heard and then, only then is it the "American Way". This truly wasn't, for it forbid so many that would have voted,and some that voted were not truly residents of the community but short term "guest" helping to make laws for everyone.
Crack, what you fail to realize is that smokers didn't harm you, you hurt yourself, you had a CHOICE for there was a successful ban in place that was fair to all. BUT life isn't fair and this ban so demonstrates. Remember, smoking is legal and the sales taxes that are placed on cigarettes are sure enjoyed in this city and as our economy is in a downward slide they ARE needed unless YOU are going to volunteer to donate your wages to help make up the loss, not counting the loss of revenue that the businesses are now being faced to accept.
June 10, 2009 at 10:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Just heard on the radio that city manager Zimmerman is asking the Dept. of Revenue to check sales tax figures for May 2009, as they are 31% lower than May 2008. Duh!
It's the economy stupid!
May 2008 we still had a large amount of layed off Tyson workers collecting unemployement in Emporia, people were buying cars and groceries etc.
While I think Zimmy got a pay raise this year and is PERSONALY UNAWARE of the average wage earners plight in this economy, it is his job to live in the real Emporia.
To paraphrase Mr. Zimmerman , "umm, umm, umm, I didn't know, umm, that would happen."
Maybe the four businessmen on the commission could give him a clue about how much their business is down by giving him a pay-cut. Let's spread the suffering around.
June 11, 2009 at 6:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
sorry to go off-topic.
June 11, 2009 at 6:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
under_score (anonymous) says...
I've said this before and I'll say it again. You should ONLY vote IF you have an opinion on something or are well informed. I don't believe in people voting for the sake of voting. I'll often leave some contests blank if I don't know anything about any of the candidates.
I suspect our current president is a product of people "just voting" to vote.
Also, if you vote for a Democrat you don't have a right to complain about your freedoms being taken away. That is their MO.
June 11, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
driveonby (anonymous) says...
The silence is deafening. The Emporia Gazette and the Salina Journal will not tell people how terrible the small businesses are doing. After all, our media, our vanguards of truth and justice, are the ones who decided to ONLY print the side of the pharma funded pro ban people. Remember how the paper said that business would be BOOMING in small bars???????Thanks Gwen, I WON"T FORGET your contribution to the current misery.
June 11, 2009 at 8:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Well said under_score.
June 11, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
This isn't the first time I have seen the Gazette drop a story. Is the issue too hot a topic? Seriously, I think this is pretty mild as far as a political issue goes. Apparently they don't want to hurt someone's feelings, I'm not sure who, but I have a few guesses. In the meanwhile no one will give us any real info on the impact so far of this ban. Maybe it is because as it turns out, this was a pretty bad idea...
June 11, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Hey sandman,
Didn't you know that the pied piper came by crack's house and all of the other non-smokers, and lured them down to the bar? It was just to hard for crack to resist! They didn't realize that when they went down there it would be dangerous for their health! They had to have the smoking ban, so that the next time the piper came by, they could go down there without the guilt of ruining their own health.
June 11, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
under_score, I don't think our current president is so much a product of people "just voting" to vote, as it is people just voting for change, without thinking ahead exactly what that change would be. Except for all the drunks and others that ACORN trucked in for the free cigarettes or money or whatever other illegal enticements they used. (To vote for McCain, of COURSE - LOL). I agree with your first & last statements wholeheartedly. Can't understand why so many libs were against the Patriot Act. It's just another example of what they ask for - bigger & more government control. Well now that Obama is taking it even further they've went silent on that subject so go figure.
June 11, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoehorn (anonymous) says...
Crack, If I understand your logic, I can go to a brothel, plunk down my money and still scream rape?
June 11, 2009 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Crack, you still can't come up with how the out of town bars are doing, so until you can prove to me that they aren't now benefitting from this then you have no stance. I for one have heard some things that tell me they are actually doing better than normal.
The rapist analogy only works if there is a sign posted outside of this place notifying that there are rapists likely inside. If you enter anyway, you do so at your own risk, pretty stupid thing to do, but you seem to end up in these places even knowing the danger, (darn that pied piper!). Why you would go inside and subject yourself to being raped when you know that it wasn't the outcome you wanted, is beyond me.
BTW, raping someone was already against the law. Smoking is not, and was allowed in certain venues until recently. It was posted that it was allowed. You can't really use such an analogy with something that is illegal across the board. Try again.
June 11, 2009 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
under_score, you are truly correct. Yes, we need to be have
knowledge BEFORE we vote. Concerening the smoking ban, I felt that knowledge SHOULD have been there for "Emporia Open for Business" TRIED to inform the public what was truly happening but afraid that MONEY in this case, won, not only with the Gazette but with other advertising forms. Concerning our current "Head of State", our president, his election proved the "ole" proverb that "Words DO speak louder then ACTIONS"(please forgive the change of words) for he was an
excellent speaker but truly had NO action behind him other then MONEY. Again another phrase comes to mind "Money is the root of all evil". In both cases the later saying is proven.
June 11, 2009 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
We are not talking about OUTSIDE. Where in the world are you getting this stuff? The obvious point is that it is indoors.
Follow your own logic, if raping were legal, and there were signs posting that rapist are allowed to rape inside, then if you do not want to be raped, you would not enter. That is the only senario that this analogy works in.
Thank God Almighty that raping is illegal. Smoking is not illegal, somebody just decided they didn't like it so they got a ban passed to stop it inside public places.
Sheesh! You sure do go to extremes to get your illogical point across.
June 11, 2009 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You are confusing the issue. Sex w/o consent is rape, obviously. Smoking w/o consent, that's just plain stupid. You are sidestepping the issue that your analogy could not possibly work. All of the elements are there for you to have been informed of the risk, and yet you still take the risk. It is no one else's fault that you yourself weighed the risk and still took it and now want to cry that you were harmed from your own judgement. Ignorance, pure ignorance. Your life must be blissful...
June 11, 2009 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
giggles:
Please, For your own good, Please stop!
Arguing with ole cracky is usless. It's kind of like scratching that skeeter bite you get working in the yard. It feels good scatching it for a while, but then all you have to show for it is a puss filled sore.
Although I must say, that the answers from the crackster are getting funnier and funnier. So maybe you should keep scratching. :)
June 11, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Actually, that is what I was going for rbow. Just in case there might have been someone swayed by one of cracks earlier arguments, the more they read, the clearer it gets that maybe crack ain't right in the head. They do keep getting funnier and funnier, and the logic is fuzzier and fuzzier. Where will crack go next is anybody's guess...let's watch and find out! : )
June 11, 2009 at 4:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Now, now, lemmings. Quit being the obstinate Party of "No". In the spirit of bipartisanship, run off that cliff with the rest! It's the Democratic process at it's best! - LOL
June 11, 2009 at 4:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Crack,thank you for telling us "sex" is still legal, THANK GOD,! But since I'm a widow and don't practice in such, I'll give you a new cause, ban SEX!!!! We are over populating this earth!!!!! Now, that makes as much sense as this ban on smoking. You don't like smoke so herefore "No Smoking" We are adults and should be capable of making choices for ourselves without making a law telling us how to live. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong for everyone else. If we sit back, and it is happening, all our freedoms and choices will be taken away because someone got it in their head THEY didn't like something, so for the betterment of society, "BAN".
June 11, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You are hardly the majority, the split was 50/50 as far as I see. A handful of people can hardly be considered an overwhelming majority in my book.
You sidestep again. You don't have to breathe the smoke in those places. You saw the sign, you took the risk, your problem.
Senario: Crack is sitting at the bar yapping her gums, assulting my ears with her vitriol, putting my mind at risk of an anurism. I cannot go over and stop her, because lo and behold, it is not illegal to speak such drivel. I knew there was a risk of her being there and that she might be talking, but I have no recourse other than to be smart and leave that building. Simple enough for me, not so much for ignorant non-smokers.
June 11, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoehorn (anonymous) says...
crackinsack, you responded;
shoehorn,
No, because you are consenting to the act in that instance. When I go in a bar, I'm not consenting to be harmed by another person.
By entering anywhere that known activity is being engaged in, you, too, are consenting when you enter. Try this one, if I step into the street and I am hit by a car, who is at fault?
June 11, 2009 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Great point, sandman. Those of you out there fornicating and overpopulating the earth are harming me, making resources more scarce, competition more fierce, food less available, pollution more widespread, along with crime and disease. Why is it nobody seems to care about my rights and harming me when they get that twinkle in their eye?????? !!!!!!!
LOL
June 11, 2009 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoehorn (anonymous) says...
Nooooooo! crack would have "them" doing "it" in the streets and on the sidewalks! (as long as they picked up their condoms, I assume) and place said in proper trash receptacles.
June 11, 2009 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
No, no, no, now that's only when nobody else is harmed. I'm harmed by second-hand sex when it causes overpopulation and infringes on my rights/increases the competition and therefore cost of food and shelter. So I expect crack to fully support my cause. EASYOVER - Emporians Against SexuallY OVerpopulation destroying the Earth's Resources.
Man, I could make a ton more jokes right now about being harmed by second-hand sex...... but I better not go there...... LOLOLOL
June 11, 2009 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
open_eyes, I LOVE your sense of humor!!!! BUT I won't be joining your cause but have no doubt there are some who would take you "on'!!! Good Luck!!!!!
June 11, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Thanks sandman, and you're right - I'd be one of them! Marching against my own cause!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL :)
June 11, 2009 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
When you enter a baseball park to watch a game, you are at risk of getting konked in the head by a foul ball. If that happens, who you gonna sue? I'll tell you. NO ONE. You can try and sue the owner of the ballpark (or anyone else associated for that matter), but the judge will throw the case out with the explanation that you knew it was a possible risk of getting hit by a foul ball and you went in the park anyway.
June 11, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
2ND HAND SEX?
I wonder how the city commission would title that ordinance?
June 11, 2009 at 8:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
rbow, good point! I'm sure open_eyes could come up with a neat title and help the city commission. Gee, as many times, I'm glad I live in the country! Now, if only I can get the mowing done before "mother nature" hits again with rain!!!!
June 11, 2009 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
My new action group, BE-A-PRUDE, (Band of Emporians Against Population Resource Use Damaging the Earth) is at this moment trying to collect enough signatures to pass the NO-SEX ordinance (New Ordinance Stifling Enjoyment of X-rated activities)
I'd sign it, but at this moment every pen I have has suddenly and mysteriously ran out of ink.......... darn......... and my arbitrary self-imposed 7:00 deadline has passed..... (sigh)..... well, maybe next year......
June 12, 2009 at 7:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
I'd be ROTFLOLing right now except I'm almost sure that someone is starting up the draft on this one. Funny how crack got awful quiet... is she hanging her head in shame over how her analogy is now being used, or is she starting the BE-A-PRUDE coalition? Scary...
June 12, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
open_eyes how I enjoy reading your comments. See,rbow,
I knew open-eyes could come up with a very fitting title for the commission! But will say I'm glad the time limit came first!!!
June 12, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Uhm.... speaking of second-hand sex.... and stupidity..... what it means is OTHER people having sex...... such as.... married couples.... (not illegal, last I checked)..... (yet)...... and the results of those actions (overpopulation) infringing on and/or decreasing MY quality of life, health, etc.... check it out, it has and is happening all over the world...... if you are a global warming advocate, and believe all the hype about it being man-made, then we really need to cut back on the damaging second-hand effects of the actions of (in this case, we'll stay with the legal version) married couples............... how about it? Any married couples out there "getting away with it"? Do we need another Gazette poll?
Give US a break.... what is meant by "second-hand"....... figure it out......
June 12, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
It is a warning to those of you who don't enjoy this activity, that there is a possibility that those who do may be inside. The potential for being hurt is your own risk.
Analogy that works in this case: A sign on the bank of a pond states that there are alligators and crocodiles in the water. Enter at your own risk. If you enter and get mauled, or eaten, that is your own fault. You saw the sign and entered anyway. Stupid but, if you had the overwhelming urge to get in the water I guess that's your perogative.
If you wanted to be taken seriously, you should pick better analogies. Comparing something that is never legal anywhere, to something that is legal (now only in some places) doesn't make any sense. PLEASE...GIVE ME A BREAK.
You obviously don't understand the Second-hand-sex debate. It's not about rape, assult, or anything like that. Read it again.
June 12, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
China has already instituted laws to lessen the damaging effects of second-hand sex........... can't have more than 1 kid..... wonder how long it will be before we follow suit...... I wonder if illegal immigrants would be limited to no more than 1 "anchor baby" per family? Since we've already recently passed a law giving them free health care, at least that might be one way to help keep the budget deficit from balooning even worse......... sure is detrimental to my health, all this overcrowding, competition, extra tax burden...... all these selfish people just keep on procreating and never seem to worry about infringing on MY rights..... (sniff, sniff).... :(
June 12, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Maybe we should say "the second-hand effects of sex", to articulate it more clearly...... but I think everyone understands the shorthand....... except maybe crack...... but since the majority DO understand what is meant, to borrow a phrase from crack - "Thanks, voters!" :)
June 12, 2009 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You are just splitting hairs now. The gist is the same. Apparently you are thinking to hard about the wording. Open_eyes corrected it, all is well...
I already pointed out that not only does that rape analogy not work, it was really really bad. Get out of this forum and go back to school, dullard!
June 12, 2009 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Oooh... so now we're all "dullards", are we?
I don't smoke drink/frequent bars, but I think my dullard intellect has served me just fine in life so far, thank you.
We HAVE made the attempt to see your point. Question is - have you made the attempt to see ours? I've never referred to second-hand smoke or the debate surrounding it as "ridiculous" - but government control IS the point, not a "ridiculous tangent". Most of us non-dullards can see that.
Besides, one mark of a true "dullard" is the inability to recognize or appreciate humor.
June 12, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Folks, there is no way to debate with a person, such as crackinsack, whose whole mind set is that she/they are right, all knowing and everyone who doesn't have the same mind set, way of thinking or live how she/they want everyone to live, just so she/they can have their way and what they want and not have to make decisions on their own, they will never see or understand any point of view except their own !
June 12, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
I totally agree YY4U!
Crack, the problem is there already was a law in place and everyone was abiding by it, but for you it wasn't good enough, you were selfish and you can't make good decisions. Terrible.
Methusla, yes we all know this, crack is narcissistic. I'm glad that not everyone is so narrow-minded, but too many are.
June 12, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Funny thing is guys, crack told us we needed this ban. Now that the smokers have chosen to go elsewhere to be patron to, crack says that even though you can't smoke there you are still supposed to go and support those businesses. What's next? Are you going to enact a law that says the Emporian smokers cannot leave town and go somewhere else? Is there going to be some sort of law that says that we have to support these bars even though they don't cater to smokers any longer? Just throw another one on, what's the harm in that?
Really, what's next? No drinking and no talking there either? Come on guys let's go down to the library, it will be a blast.
June 12, 2009 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
D.D. CeVille smoked once ........................... once.
June 12, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says, "Why the long face?"
June 12, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoehorn (anonymous) says...
Crackinsack, I will say that your line of reasoning is consistant. I really am curious what your perspective is regarding my hypothetical question: If I step into the street and I am hit by a car, who is at fault?
June 12, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
No, crack I won't. My voice wasn't heard in the election, therefore I have every right to complain. I live here for all intents and purposes, but because my home address falls outside the city limits, I was not allowed to vote. For some strange reason though, even though I couldn't decide the outcome, I have to abide by the outcome.
shoehorn, don't feel bad. Crack always ignores the analogies she can't refute. For instance my alligators and crocs in the pond analogy. Makes sense, so that's why she has no argument.
June 12, 2009 at 2:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
"Now that the smokers have chosen to go elsewhere..."
Honestly? Are you saying the partons who so smoke have chosen to drive out of town so they can smoke while they consume alcohol, and then risk drunk driving, a wreck and/or DUI?
I find that hard to believe.
Let's think rationally about this: We've been in a recession for over a year now. Most are cutting back on spending, especially unnecessary spending. It wouldn't surprise me if more people were using this as an opportunity to make healthier changes in their lives; giving up bad habits like drinking and smoking in exchange for healthy habits like exercise.
June 12, 2009 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Sundancekid,
Check again. Business is up in surrounding towns, they are ordering more than their usual supplies. Personally, I have several friends who now go out of town so they can smoke while they drink. I've said this before, it's nothing new.
Haha! That is funny though to think about. giving up bad habits for healthier ones. Good one!
June 12, 2009 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
Agreed. My suggestion was funny. To think those unkept heifers (wearing sweatshirts and spandex) pushing around shopping baskets full of Lucky Charms cereal, hot dogs, donuts, and macaroni and cheese at Wal-Mart would actually substitute the Snickers bar and soda with an apple and water, turn off the TV and try yoga was far-fetched, wasn't it? What percentage of Emporians are overweight, anyway? As it seems, everytime I visit Emporia it seems more and more people have put on weight, like they no longer have respect for themselves. Moo!
If more people are driving the county roads while intoxicated, then I hope there are more police officers out and about to write tickets and throw them in jail.
June 12, 2009 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Crack,
I DO LIVE IN EMPORIA!!! Just because we all don't fit inside the city limits does not mean I'm not a citizen of Emporia. Best of both worlds? In this case, I'm getting neither. I couldn't vote, and I have to abide by the ordinance.
June 12, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Crack, apology accepted. Yes, we've had fun and some humor with the second-hand-sex posts, but underneath there was a germ of similarity that we were trying to point out. Of COURSE we need law and government intervention - nobody has ever disputed that - I certainly don't want to live in total anarchy. The question is, as with most things in life - where to draw the line. And about that I enjoy a healthy and respectful debate, but you'll have to forgive some humor being interjected along the way. I've pretty much stayed out of this most of the time, but just for the record, my view is, even as a non-smoker, who will not allow people to smoke in my house or my vehicle, hates to be around smoke, etc..... I think establishments should be able to set their own laws and regulations in this area, and people should be free to choose what they want to do/where they want to go based on that. Everything in life is a risk - everytime I set foot out of my house I place myself at risk from other drivers, but then again I place myself at risk staying in just as much. We can't have the government regulate every last thing down to whether or not we're allowed to check with them before we sneeze (because, after all, I could potentially infect someone else by doing so with my second-hand-germs). At some point we have to say the government has went far enough with their protections for the obvious laws such as you stated above (rape, drunk driving, etc) - but to try to compare those is really starting to grasp at straws. Yes, they are in the same vein, but to vastly different degrees. Just because I think it should be legal to shoot off bottle-rockets & fireworks on the 4th of July does not necessarily mean that I think tactical nukes should also be legal to fire off to celebrate. Even though they both go "boom".
I also have the same question as giggles about why people outside the city limits were not allowed to vote. They come into town and spend money, buy products, eat out, so why should city dwellers have a say on issues like lagoons in rural areas? I'm sure you'll say it goes into the groundwater but where does the smoke from Emporia go? Into the same air that blows into the country, or is it all filtered at the city limits as if Emporia is under a vast dome?
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. I still stand by my (humorous) slant on second-hand-sex. And yes, it DOES directly affect me when a married couple is procreating.......on those nights I am by myself and lonely it makes me somewhat depressed......... isn't my mental health important also? :) (Ok, lets not expand on that train of thought any further - PLEASE! LOL)
June 12, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
The one thing I notice most about sundancekid is his or her nosehairs. That's pretty much the only view any of us see most of the time.
Care to guess how many towns/cities/states/countries I've seen way, way too many fat people in? Go to a Wal-Mart near poorer large-city areas where a good-sized percentage of the population is on welfare and see how "underfed" they all seem to be..... I've always thought Emporians looked pretty trim and slim (overall) by comparison....... in part due to alot of rural people used to daily hard physical labor spending their money in places where they apparently have no say....
June 12, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
You can't smoke inside a bar. That's rough. Let me get this straight, you go home from work to drink and smoke. Is that accurate? Such a boring and miserable life you seem to have.
June 12, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
Perhaps you should raise your standards.
June 12, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shoehorn (anonymous) says...
crackinsack, your answer seems logical. How is it then that a driver can be issued a citation if he strikes someone jogging in the street when sidewalks are provided? still curious
June 12, 2009 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Why don't we fire off tactical nukes on the Fourth of July? Sure would seem to be a fitting way to celebrate our independence, because we sure would be independent with no one else in the world to argue with...
I just like your analogy.
June 12, 2009 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crack,
I think you are totally not grasping the the concept of the tobacco regulation bill that is going to the president for his signature !
1. It DOES NOT BAN SMOKING !
2. It does not ban tobacco products !
3. It does empower the FDA to regulate and control what
may be added to tobacco products !
4. It controls the advertising of the tobacco industry, ie the
advertising that targets children !
Therefore the people who drafted and proposed this bill to congress, most certainly have more tolerance and incite into allowing people the freedom to choose how to live their lives as they, themselves have the right to do !
Which you and others certainly do not have the incite, tolerance or ability to do ! You see crack you and others believe you are the only ones who have any rights at all and that those rights supercede anyone elses rights and freedoms.
And that madam is what is known as " SELFISH ".
self⋅ish /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sel-fish] Show IPA
–adjective 1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives
Self"ish\, a. 1. Caring supremely or unduly for one's self; regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others.
Synonyms:
1. self-interested, self-seeking, egoistic; illiberal, parsimonious, stingy.
Think about it, OOOORAH
June 12, 2009 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Funny how the bars did everything possible to warn you and keep you out of harms way, but you threw yourself into harms way.
Scenario: Crack sees the signs that this is a road that allows driving. Crack decides anyway to enter the roadway, knowing that it is a busy street, and there are lots of drivers. She is struck by a car! Oh no!
Crack is angry, how dare they let vehicles on this road, even though there were plenty of other streets in town that driving is no longer allowed on.
Crack complains that even though she was duly warned, and the drivers found a place to stay out of pedestrians way. Drivers are no longer allowed on the roads. You must keep your vehicles in your garage.
Crack had no better sense to stay out of the road, so you can no longer drive there.
June 12, 2009 at 4:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
Yup...YY4U is exactly the guy I was talking about when I posted much earlier. So long, buddy. You've done enough damage. Glad to see you go.
June 12, 2009 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
the referenced post was on June 9 around 6 p.m.
June 12, 2009 at 5:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, are your eyes brown? If not, they should be!! In an earlier post you said "When my body interprets the stove as hot I know I shouldn't touch it". Haven't enough people told you just how crazy you sound? I would think that someone in their right mind would back off, not you! You misinterpet what is being said and truly have no proof of what you say except from what CAE has told you. Do you have a mind of your own, I wonder???? By what you've said, you need to be "spoon-feed" even now. I hope there is someone there to feed you your remainder years.
June 12, 2009 at 7:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
open_eyes, Thanks so much for the fun yesterday and this AM. You truly have a neat sense of humor. Please don't let Crack or anyone else dampen that. I'm not sure what your job is but if I ever need a slogan, I now know who to go to, at least on line. Thanks!!!!
June 12, 2009 at 8:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
It is nice to know that no matter what crack is right, and the rest of you heathens are wrong. How satisfying it must be.
June 12, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
sundance: you can badmouth all the fat girls in spandex in emporia you want, but your government in San Fran is one of the most f___d up ANYONE HAS SEEN . i am glad you are in san fran, I hope you vote in san fran. I hope you love your life in san Fran. But when it comes to Emporia Kansas,to put it politely HUSH UP, or, shut the f--k up.
How's that for some liberal left wing retorts? You left Emporia for better fields, now live with it. You left Emporia because of what?Now that you are gone let it go Dorthy. There is no place like home, unless?
June 12, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
If it is true that crack is right all the time one can only deduce that crack is a Logjam fan. If there is a common ground that we cam all find peace on it's .............................................. Logjam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"HE"S BURNIN' WOOD AGAIN! YEAH!!!!"
Seriously R. Folks
June 12, 2009 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
driveonby (anonymous) says...
Salina bars and pool hall revenues plummeting. As is Emporia. The Gazette and the Journal WILL NOT report this. Are they ashamed to have NOT told people BEFORE of the studies that showed this to be the fact? And they KNEW all the time that they were reporting the pro ban studies, that others existed which stated EMPHATICALLY that small, free standing bars and bowling and pool halls, and bingo would be very negatively impacted by bans. THEY KNEW, THEY CANNOT SAY THAT THEY DID NOT! THEY RECEIVED INFO DAILY WHICH THEY REFUSED TO PRINT. I think the businesses should be speaking to attorneys re collusion and voter fraud.
June 13, 2009 at 6:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I'm not sure if there are any Logjam tribute bands(or "tribbies" as they're known in "the 'biz'") in the Salina area but you might want to look into it.
Since The Mudbug Tribune was bought out by the south west Georgia car classifieds magazine, "Hey y'all look what cars and trucks and RVs and motorcycles and ATVs and trailers we gots forsale oh yeah and boats!" there's not much room for reporting stuff since Al Gore will only let the car classifieds/paper be 4 pages and the title taking up one...... Maybe that's why the Gazette and the Journal haven't reported on the business problems post ban. With all the budget cuts that everyone except our federal government is having to make and the world being on the brink of being on fire........... ON FIRE!............... and all................ who knows?
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam
(not available online)
June 13, 2009 at 8:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
!
June 13, 2009 at 8:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
After sleeping off my California cabernet and cheese whiz induced stupor from last night, I thought an apology to sundancekid might be in order. Then after reading suns past posts I decided not. While I often agree with their
somewhat liberal leanings, the condencending way in which they are delivered really sucks.
open_eyes said it best;
"The one thing I notice most about sundancekid is his or her nosehairs. That's pretty much the only view any of us see most of the time."
When you mention your "wine and cheese parties, (without that cubed cheese and meat tray)," and "overweight cows in sweatshirts" at the local walmart, you really don't come across as that live & let live kinda guy.
I know we heathens Back in Kansas can get under your skin sometimes. But I would venture that when you come back to visit your family and friends, they breathe a sigh of relief when you jet back west. At least if you act in person the way you post on here.
REALLY, go back and read your posts like you are the person being responded to. Don't they sound just a little "snobbish"?
June 13, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Being southern boys, Logjam had to stop touring in California after 73' because for a state that says they are open minded and accepting it sure ain't. Bozo trims his toe nails with his teeth one time..... one time in the airport and youda thought he'd started a forest fire or a mud slide or a huge government debt or gang violence or riots or somethin'.
Seriously R. Folks
June 13, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisterO (anonymous) says...
As I wander about town, I notice that the majority of businesses in Emporia are in direct violation of the ordinance - most do not have the required "No Smoking" signs. Many of those that do have signs do not meet the sign specifications in the ordinance.
I wonder if a class action lawsuit can be filed to force the city of Emporia to enforce the ordinance they allowed to pass?
I'd be willing to bet that if they were forced to go from business to business (all places of business, as stated in the ordinance) and enforce their ban and see how much time and money it is going to cost, they would be more than willing to revisit the ordinance.
June 13, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Thanks sandman, anytime I can lighten the mood - lord knows I darken it enough sometimes - LOL - actually I think crack's answers taking it all so serious were the funniest part of the whole thing! :)
June 13, 2009 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Some people say that Logjam was too serious and there is some truth to that. Until Lenny interjectedified his trademark(patent pending) wit into the lyrics they were too serious.
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam
(not available online)
Now with illustrations and scratch and sniff!
June 13, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
MisterO;
You can bet your last dollar that the bars/clubs and grills have their signage up as they are the only businesses inspected on this, this level playing field. I guess the sign police idea from an earlier thread wouldn't be such a bad idea. The fines from these businesses could help offset the 31% decrease in sales tax reciepts to the city in May. There are at least 100 in violation @ $100.00 a pop seems like a super easy way to stick it to the citizen without raising water/trash rates.
Call the city managers office or Blaize Plummer and tell them
about this dandy money making idea.
June 13, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
Seriously people, who cares?
Who gives a rip whether a retail business has its no smoking sign up?
Do you think the fact that only the bars are "in compliance" with the sign ordinance is going to matter one bit?
The reality is that most people would not think to smoke in a business UNLESS it were a bar.
I hate this ban as much as anyone. However, would it not be better to focus our efforts on keeping our bars open?
June 13, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
jcook66801, the WHOLE point is that this ordinance WAS passed IN ALL of Emporia City Limits, meaning ALL should comply, NOT just the bars. Have you read the ordinance? If not please do so. It will be an eye- opening for you. It should have NEVER even came close to being a law to begin with. It was more "Monkey see, monkey do". I liked Emporia the way it once was where people truly cared about each other, now it has been forced in being "dog eat dog" in just trying to keep up with Manhattan and Lawrence. So very sad especially in this time of economical problems, Emporia really didn't need this ban and if the city commission had done their job and thrown it out to begin with just maybe some of the econocial hard times could have been avoided and people would be staying in town and spending their money. Just this country gals opinion!!!
June 13, 2009 at 10:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
jcook66801,
Do you have any ideas on how to get the smokers back into the bars/grills, in order to bring back lost revenue/taxes !
This ban has succeeded in driving them away from their regular everyday/night haunts into the surrounding non-ban towns, etc..
I am sure the bar/grill owners would be open to any suggestions you or others may have.
As for me, the only thing that I can see that will turn this around is to repeal the new smoking ban and re-instate the former smoking ordinance, which was fair and imparshial to everyone and let everyone have the freedom to choose !
June 13, 2009 at 11:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
jcook66801;
BAM! That is the sound of you hitting the nail on the head.
Your Quote, " The reality is that most people would not think to smoke in a business UNLESS it were a bar."
So you think the ordinance was written strictly for bars/ restuarants? We were all assured by the city and CAE that this was not the case, they wanted to protect the health of all employees in all businesses in Emporia.
Please go to the city of Emporia's website and read the entire ordinance. It applies to all buildings in Emporia, where the public is allowed in or an employee works.
The law was written by the city attorney,(Plummer), with much input from the CAE group. The law was voted on and it passed by eight votes. I don't care if it is a poorly worded law or not, it is now the law in Emporia.
I don't care if you wouldn't think about smoking in Graves Drug Store or Mark II lumber, but I believe these two businesses are among many that are in violation of the law and should be cited for it. (And shame on you MarkII, you should take a couple of your no-smoking signs out of your stock, and slap them on the doors.)
Zimmerman assured the commission there would not be an undue problem enforcing this ban, so let's get with it and enforce it. If not, I for one am taking down my NO-SMOKING signs, they are not visually appealing, and I know my business will be treated the same as all the others in town.
Steve Corbin
Town Royal
June 14, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
jcook66801;
After my suggestion to you about re-reading the ordinance I did just that and realized all the money the city is missing out on. According to the ordinance, (which took affect April 10, 2009), if Graves Drug Store and Mark II Lumber were in violation of the signage requirements and cited for it every day they were not in compliance since then, the total fines for each business would now be $24,800.00. a tidy sum for the city coffers I must say. Now you and I both know that after the first citation and fine the offending business would PROBABLY comply with the law. You and I both know that any bar refusing to comply would now be owing the city that same amount. So I ask you this:
While playing on "A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, shouldn't those other business have to follow the same law?
June 14, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
Steve: remember, I am not only on your side but a patron as well. Don't frag the friendlies. ALl I am saying is that arguing over signs is easy, making changes to perserve our rights is much more difficult. Stop worrying about signs and start worrying about how to keep the bars open.
Methusla, I'll be honest, I am not your biggest fan, but I'd be happy to share any ideas I might have regarding how to bring people back to the bars with those owners who might truly be interested. No cost, of course. And no ill feelings if they laugh at all of them.
June 14, 2009 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
I drove past Natashia's last night (Sat.), picked in the door at about 9:30. Saw maybe a half-dozen people downstairs. How long can a bar stay open if that's the typical Saturday-night crowd?
June 14, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
And this ban was written for bars first, then restaurants and then the rest of Emporia.
June 14, 2009 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Remember New Coke? When I was about ten, some time in the early eighties Coke was losing the cola wars to Pepsi(they're both lucky that Nehi wasn't around anymore) and Coke decided they needed to change Coke to compete. New Coke was a failure and they had to reintroduce Coke in it original formula and that's why the cans say Coca Cola Classic on them now. A few lessons that can be learned from this are, if it ain't broke don't fix it, customers don't stay loyal to a product if the product changes to something they don't want and they shouldn't have to, and the government should stay out of business and tell nosy busybodies to do the same. Well maybe the last point can't be learned from the New Coke story but it's still true. To this day every once in a while when going through a drive through I'll ask if they have New Coke, you know ........... because I'm funny like that.
June 14, 2009 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisterO (anonymous) says...
JCook:
The law applies to ALL businesses. It is not the city's choice to selectively enforce the law and decide who has to obey it and who can ignore it.
A law is a law. If they aren't going to enforce it, they need to re-write it or do a way with it.
June 14, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
I know jcook66801, I don't mean to frag the friendlies. You know as a friend and patron that we are thinking of different ways to survive. For me to put foo-foo drinks on the menu goes against about 30 years of my business model but it is a change. We can't add a patio, if we could it would be kick-ass. We haven't been able to donate to various fundraisers in town like we have in the past and that kills us. We have so far avoided cutting hours or staff because of vacations and sick days, but that is about all that is left if business doesn't re-bound. I am hopeful business will rebound sooner or later, I just hope in the mean-time , we can all survive the tough times ahead. Oh, by the way, in regards to our disagreement on the signs, The Emporia Fire Dept. was out checking BARS last night.
June 14, 2009 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
jcook66801,
You are not the only one who is not a fan of mine, but that is all right, doesn't bother me in the least !
At least you do not resort to name calling, etc., when you don't agree with anyone and that means more to me than not being a fan !
And I agree that this ban was entirely targeted toward those bars, businesses and business owners that allowed smoking and catered to certain clientel and that is where this ban was wrong, discriminatory and prefudicial ! In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, the smoking ordinance that was in effect was good, fair and allowed everyone the freedom to choose or decide .
I know I step on some peoples toes, and I have thrown some insults, etc. at certain individuals, but only when I was attacked first but I am a person that tells it like it is and I have been around too long and seen and experienced to many things to honey and sugar coat things just to please any individual or group of individuals or to get what I want !
June 14, 2009 at 8:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
Well, I was in town over the weekend and went down to my favorite bar there. It was definitely not the crowd I remember from my college days. There were only a handful of people there. I asked the bartender if this was normal crowd now. Her response was "Ever since the smoking ban went into effect". Big surprise.....
June 14, 2009 at 9:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
She probably meant to say, "Ever since the bad economy went into effect." or "Ever since the sky turned green." or something like that because we all know that the ban has nothing to do with it.
Seriously R. Folks
June 14, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
Hey crackinsack... I like you and your comments so much, guess what I did a couple weeks ago while in town? I lit up a cigarette, and blew it out into the open, just for you!
Selfish, you are. Thinking you are the only one with any damn rights. This whole smoking ban is a piece of crap. And you know, since I don't live in Emporia, and I didn't get to vote, it doesn't apply to me. Isn't that how that goes? Ask any college kid, they will tell ya.
BTW: I was right across the street from the police department when I did this. Where is your precious EPD when you need them? Point is, I would love to see how this law is going to be enforced at all, when they aren't even around to stop people!
I was born an American. Hell, I was born an Emporian. I have this one body, this one mind. The constitution gives me the right to do with it as I choose. There was not a single person around me when I lit my long Marlboro Light up, no one around me when I blew the smoke into the air. I fail to see how that is hurting anyone. I also fail to see the difference between my lonely trail of smoke in a completely empty parking lot, compared to an old clunker passing by me as I was driving through town... throwing thick black smoke from it's exhaust into my car, where my children were. Can you explain that to me? Yep, I could have kept the windows rolled up. Just like you keep out of the bars if you don't like the smoke.
My grandfather died from emphysema. He was a car mechanic. Never smoked a day in his life, nor was he around people who smoked. Explain to me again what the difference is.... please. Because I simply cannot wrap my feeble mind around your logic as to how SHS is bad.. but vehicles aren't.
June 15, 2009 at 1:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Crack,
You are not making a very good case for non-smokers with your ignorance. Have you ever been to California or any other place with a large population. Well, if you haven't they have what you call SMOG. You see this is the stuff that vehicles put out, and it sits in the air with fog, hence the name. Found and proven to be very bad for one's health. We don't have that many vehicles on the road to get smog here, but just because you can't see it doesn't make it less dangerous.
"With cars, the benefit clearly outweighs the harm."
I thought that health was so paramount to you that you couldn't risk it to air pollution. Clearly you are just two faced or ignorant or both. I'm siding with both.
Having businesses here in Emporia, should clearly outweigh the harm in this case.
Cars aren't a useful service to everyone, you just assume they are for your purposes. Cigarettes are useful to some, as cars are useful to you.
I have come to the conclusion that you crack are either very young, or very immature, or just plain ignorant. Your posts lack common sense, compassion, and empathy. They are filled with selfishness, haughty attitude, and snobbery.
You act like a spoiled child, and when you don't win an argument, or lack the willingness to relent to logical points, you choose to ignore them.
When these businesses finally fail, or the city finally sees the errors of their ways, I hope you have the decency to appologize and admit that you were wrong and selfish.
When pigs fly I know, but I hope to see a few soar past my window...
June 15, 2009 at 12:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You stick your foot in your mouth too soon again, before thinking.
Amish people do not use cars, they get along just fine. There are many many people throughout the world who get along without cars. What do you think people did before they were invented? I guess human civilization was on the brink of extinction before that...
We can get along without them, we would just prefer not to. It may make things easier, but it doesn't make it right or the best option at all times. BTW, you also disaccount railroads, which is a good way for us to get goods.
True to yourself though crack, you think you have it all figured out. Your haughty attitude is showing again. How does your foot taste by the way?
June 15, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
crack, how do you feel about legalizing marijuana? And the California politicians claiming it would be beneficial? Are there effects to 2nd-hand mj? What about the direct effects? Should I be on the street with a person that has just left a legal mj smokehouse and is driving? What about the pushes to make legal drughouses in CA? Are all these ok because they would only be harming themselves? (At least until they stepped outside)? And please don't give me the medical reasons for MJ excuse - everyone knows how that is being used and abused far beyond its intent. (If there ever was one). The kid that got turned away from the prom for smoking - he had med mj legally, for a skull fracture. But it had been 6 years ago...... even my head doesn't hurt for that long.... LOL
I posted links to these stories awhile ago but don't have time to look them up right now. Just curious.
June 15, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Since studies show that rural kids consistently outscore urban counterparts in testing.....I guess that's why only city folk were allowed to vote on the matter. Only the less-intelligent should be allowed to set precedent for the less-intelligent.
mmmmmm......foot.......ahrrrrgle.....
Don't you have to go watch some grown man jump around in tights or something? Just kidding, friend. Tis all in good fun.
;-)
June 15, 2009 at 1:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
giggles & others,
As you can see from cracks posts, if she believes that something serves her purpose she believes that it, what ever it is, is ok, even if it poses a health threat, not only to her, but to everyone !
She also believes that banning indoor smoking is a progressive thing, but never gives a thought to the regressive nature of loosing a freedom of choice and the dominating nature of such bans being imposed by an individual or group of individuals on certain individuals and businesses.
Forced imposing of anyones will, beliefs, way of living and way of life upon anyone is also known as " OPRESSION " which is regressive in nature and not progressive in nature !
Please read and understand the following :
op⋅pres⋅sion /əˈprɛʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-presh-uhn] Show IPA
–noun 1. the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.
2. an act or instance of oppressing.
3. the state of being oppressed.
4. the feeling of being heavily burdened, mentally or physically, by troubles, adverse conditions, anxiety, etc.
(crack and others don't like to be forced to make decisions, ie such as deciding whether to go to a place that allows smoking, or staying a way from such a place)!
And yet crack and others have no problem with forcing others into a situation where others have no decision or choice and are forced to abide by cracks and others dictatorial, opressive beliefs and wants !
Progressive ? Not on your life !
June 15, 2009 at 1:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Crack, you say"this is exactly why only city folks were allowed to vote on the matter", please explain your statement further.
June 15, 2009 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Vote NO on ...................................... oh yeah.
never mind
Seriously R. Folks
June 15, 2009 at 2:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
I wasn't saying there were any Amish around town, you deliberately miss the point again. Sidestepping the point doesn't make you right either.
Keeping rights intact, are true marks of civilized societies. Do you really want to revert back to servants and slaves, asking their master's permission to act?
June 15, 2009 at 2:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"By the way, Logjam is overrated and outdated."
Thems fightin' words son.
June 15, 2009 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Gee..... I wonder..... how many people work full-time in the city but live in the country? (And thus are affected every bit as much as city residents but not allowed to vote). I had a full-time job in Emporia for years and lived in the country..........
DUH.......
"open_eyes, on the other hand, likes stereotyping"
Now you remind me of someone in the middle east. Go out on a nice sunny day, lob a missile into a city and kill a few people, but if anyone shoots back, then you start screaming "Revenge! Revenge!"....... what a hypocrite..... anyone who has read me quite awhile on here knows I rant against stereotypes as much or more than most, the sarcasm was right back at ya for your ignorant stereotypes.
There are probably alot of things you like that I would consider overrated & outdated, and visa versa, but to each their own.
Tell ya what - I won't start stereotyping until you open your mouth & something ignorant comes out of it first. If you owned any mirrors, and could actually see and hear some of your comments as others do, I wouldn't have to.
June 15, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
"as a non-smoker, who will not allow people to smoke in my house or my vehicle, hates to be around smoke, etc" - open_eyes, June 12, 2009
pro-SHS individual? Please comprehend a little better. Or we won't allow you to vote in city matters. Oops, I meant we will FORCE you to vote in city matters.
June 15, 2009 at 3:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Plain and simple fact ; Those who chose to knowingly smoke and expose themselves to SHS have made the choice to supposedly harm themselves and those who expose themselves to SHS and smokers by freely choosing to be in an establishment that allows smokers and the supposedly harmful effects of SHS have willingly made that decision to do so !
Your lame argument that smokers are purposfully harming others does not hold water, since those who do not like smoking and places that allow smoking, have always had the freedom of choice to avoid such places that allow smoking, smokers and shs. No one forced you to go into these places at gun point ! If you knowingly make the concious choice to be exposed to a supposedly harmful situation, then you are responsible for harming yourself, the smokers did not and have not made the choice to harm you and are not, using your terminology, murderers or terrorists, which you have indicated they are in some of your past postings !
June 15, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You really don't have any idea who it would truly affect the most, crack. Country folk work in town too. I work in Emporia 5 days a week, I come here on the weekends for all of my necessities. I used to come here for entertainment. I live in the 66801 area code. I barely live 3 miles outside of the city limits. You don't know whether the population is larger outside or inside the city limits, in this area code. You have no clear ownership of the affects of the ban.
As some have pointed out several times, temporary college students were allowed to vote. How do they know what is best for me? They will go home or move on, but I have to live with something they decided for me. Not right. Even for just the people in town, that is not fair. College students don't stay to live here, they shouldn't get a vote.
Crack, I for one know that if this vote had been the other way around, you would not be quiet about it.
I want to be heard properly and fairly, I don't believe for one second that this was done properly or fairly.
"but us city folk have to deal with it nearly every moment of every day."
BTW, if you are spending that much time at the bar you have too much time on your hands.
June 15, 2009 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I think the sun should be banned, also. After all, I knowingly was out in it all weekend. I had the choice to wear sleeves or at least suntan lotion, but I made the choice to be exposed to it. I was harmed. I want it banned now.
Don't make me angry or I might just start some ancient stupid ignorant ritual handed down from long-time rural redneck lore and the next thing you know there will be an astronomically impossible solar eclipse....... If I can just find some eye of newt, I'll have everything I need, except for anti-stereotype and anti-hypocrisy of crack. That's nearly impossible to find......
June 15, 2009 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
No, I clearly made the point that life is about choices, and some do and do not have to be made. When you start taking away choices, you will return to master/slave society. Put a pretty name on it if you want, it is what it is.
My other point is that you do what is convenient for you w/o regard for your own health, but get bent out of shape when you could have avoided this health hazard to begin with. You have sidestepped this FACT the entire debate. The I could avoid it but I will throw a tantrum instead, is the spoiled child syndrome that I am sure you must have grown up with.
June 15, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I'm glad you once again took it so seriously, as I figured you would. At least you didn't smart off with another ignorant stereotype. I'm not embarrassed. Those who constantly make snide remarks about rural so much below city and such are the ones that should be, but they're often too dense to realize it. If you slap back at them they sure do get all surprised and huffy..... go figure.....
I live in a city now, and I've seen more ignorance here just by sheer numbers than I saw in the country. I was amazed when I first started at my job - I was somewhat intimidated being a "country boy" in the big corporate world, I was amazed to find out how many of my co-workers grew up on farms and small towns, some still lived out there and commuted. I learned that every segment of our society has its share of "dullards", as you put it, as well as intelligent and well-informed people. Which makes me smarter than many here just for learning that important fact about humanity.
June 15, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
If we socialize medicine, perhaps the government should pass a law that anyone caught outside with exposed skin without suntan lotion should be prosecuted....... after all, it could potentially hurt alot of people because of the second-hand effects. Health care costs go up, (I'll have to pay for your skin cancer treatments) and my taxes, and my standard of living is harmed.
Of course, I'll have a government job by then (won't we all) - and I'll make the decision that only rural people get the cancer treatments, because it affects them more, being out in the sun so much, you know. And city folk are smarter and should know better.
Can't wait to see how serious you take this one...... :) I'm expecting at least a 4-paragraph dissertation, possibly some links to studies showing the sun shines on city folk's a$$e$ also........ LOLOLOLOLOLOL
June 15, 2009 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
People were following the law, they were not intentionally hurting anyone, hence the signs that warned others that they could put themselves in danger by entering. People should know better than to put themselves into harm.
"Please give better examples next time before you embarrass yourself further."
This is hilarious thing I have heard from you, the person who used rape as an example. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!! ROTFLOL!!!
That is exactly what I told you before!! Eat your own words!
I on the other hand have given you some examples of your lacking common sense argument,(alligator pond for one) and you have yet to answer any of them. You know why? Because there is nothing to retort. It's stupidity plain and simple.
I'll give you another, give it a try.
There is a dirt track business for dirt bike racers fenced off. It is a privately owned business.There are signs posted on the fence warning you that if you enter you may get run over. Crack comes along, reads the sign and enters anyway. She gets hit!! Luckily she is only slightly injured. She comes back anyway and does it again. It is a dirt track clearly for those who want to ride dirt bikes and ATV's but crack keeps walking in and getting hit.
She gets mad at the dirt bikers! They gave her plenty of warning, but alas, she didn't care. She wanted the dirt bikers to go elsewhere. Where are they to go? Doesn't matter to crack, she got them out of their own place. She is happy. The business closed.
Sad story. Sounds familiar.
June 15, 2009 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
And how is a smoking section separate from non-smokers NOT action to prevent harming others? Especially if it is separate & walled?
I don't think you're doing a very good job of umpiring..... your stike zone seems to shift alot..... :)
June 15, 2009 at 4:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
That point just flew right over your head didn't it? Point was, you were warned with a sign, you ignored it, you were harmed. Fault and blame falls with you. They take precautions to keep you away, but you come along anyway. GET THE POINT? Nope, you try another lame excuse.
Power and responsibility were contained in a building designated for such. Problems arose when you wouldn't heed their warning.
You are so wrong with the swing and miss. You cry home run when you were clearly out at first base. Good catch open_eyes. She shifts position to suit her game, still comes up short of winning any games this season. : )
June 15, 2009 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, you state "it affects us the most"-do you or did you "live" in a bar? Facts are facts, unless you do or did, it DIDN'T affect you the most. You are forgetting that "us" country folks are asked the same as you to "Spend our money in Emporia" and that MANY country folk work in the city of Emporia.
I imagine you benefit each day by us country folk. In fact, just as the soldier that is out there fighting for our "rights" that we seem to lose more and more, so are the country people who farm and raise produce for you city folks. In your thinking, we in the country should STOP producing for you city folks since it is getting worse to make a living farming,more laws and regulations. Again though, the ONLY way you seem to be able to live is having a "law" to do your THINKING!! Thank the good Lord, that you truly are in the "minority"!!! I do realize that there are people who enjoy country life and don't farm BUT when you state "country folk" the statement compasses all of us that live in the country. As YOU'VE stated before, get a life!!!! Plus the next time you have an egg, eat a slice of bread, think of that farmer that WAS out in the sun working for YOU!!!
June 15, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
The following word is a word that I believe describes crack and other smoking ban proponants very well .
self-serv·ing :
definition, Serving one's own interests, especially without concern for the needs or interests of others.
June 15, 2009 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I once knew a bear that smoked Eye O' Newt cigarettes and blew the smoke in a ladies face and she beat him to death with a Nehi bottle. It was at a Logjam concert. They are not overrated or outdated by the way!
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam!
(not available online)
Now with illustrations and scratch n' sniff!
June 15, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
chiefsfan (anonymous) says...
Crack in the head you never cease to amaze me with your comments.
June 15, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, in rereading post, you state: " Getting rid of SHS in public places, on the other hand, is both beneficial and practical", To Whom may I ask? There were bar owners who had already made their bar "No Smoking" so your fragile body could enter BUT no, being the VERY spoiled person you are and very selfish, you wanted them ALL! (or were you "bought" out by CAE group? for it has been demonstrated that you in no way could come up with some of this "trash") It wasn't and isn't practical for me OR many others who happen to enjoy smoking while having a drink or eating a meal. Selfish again on YOUR part. I can just hear you say "for your health and mine" soooooo please, for your health, don't start that car, walk, don't eat "fast food", weight gain and raise your blood suger, don't eat that candy bar or chips,don't have sex, could cause you to over populate this earth or become infected with some infection. Do you get my point or others point? Anything we do in this life has its side affects even dying, maybe not directly to you but "second hand" BUT in many cases, they are CHOSEN and until you are GOD, you have absolutely no right telling us or anyone how to live. Please, start living YOUR life which you could have months ago by staying out of places that we smokers went and your were "fair warned"!
June 15, 2009 at 8:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I think it was a brown bear.
It was orange Nehi, I remember that much fo sho.
Seriously R. Folks
Go local team!
June 15, 2009 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
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June 15, 2009 at 10:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Now that's talent!
June 15, 2009 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
you belong to the city
you belong to the night
livin' in a ...somethin' somethin'
between the neon sign
Ever get a song stuck in your head?
June 15, 2009 at 11:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
remind me to never ask to borrow Matt's laptop again!
June 16, 2009 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
under_score (anonymous) says...
Actually crackinsack, I think what people are saying is that if you really believe that second hand smoke is as bad as you portray it to be, and you go into a bar and breath it anyway, then you have to be one of the stupidest people on the face of the planet. At least that is what I'm thinking.
June 16, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
09-17-1952 was the day Lenny MacCartknee rejoined the boys on the "Swirly Twirly" tour.
08-11-1964 was a truly great day for Logjam fans and the THE WORLD. After seeing the Beatles(who were obviously heavily influenced by Logjam) in Feb. of that year on the Ed Sullivan Show Bob Schmitz did something that had never been done since. Inspired by the pick attack Paul McCartney got on his now famous Hofner bass guitar, Bob figured out a way to play his "Electric Jug" with a pick. Many young aspiring "Electric Jug" player try and fail to learn this technique, usually either quitting music all together or switching to bass guitar. I personally haven't given up the "Electric Jug" yet myself but I have had many a lip cramp trying to hold the pick. This isn't his only technique that inspired a generation. Can you say, "Slap Jug"? Well, that's a story for another day.
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam!
(not available online)
Now with illustrations and scratch n' sniff!
June 16, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Crack,
Silly is disregarding a sign that clearly posted the intentions inside. Silly is imposing a ban on an already restricted activity. Silly is your lack of common sense and willpower.
The primary task for any bar owner is to cater to their customers, since we see that those in town catered to smokers, then it makes sense that it was allowed in those venues.
Smokers didn't come seek you out and make you inhale SHS. It does seem that you seemed to seek them out to inhale it yourself.
Smokers were complying with the law. They consented to the restrictions that were already in place. It was no problem, now they have been kicked out of the last places that it would seem obvious they were allowed to smoke.
Truly, if you were really concerning yourself with healthy activites, the bar is the last place you'd be. You are not being honest with us or yourself. You really need a large slice of humble pie.
June 16, 2009 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
You want a fairly good comparison to history. Let us look at what the European civilization did to the Native Americans, compare it to the current civilization. Yes, I know there are some large discrepancies, but the gist is the same:
First the Native Americans lived here in North America. They could go where they wanted. Europeans, not happy with where they were, came to North America. The Indians welcomed them, even though they shared different values. The Europeans however, decided they didn't like the Native Americans and shoved them west, then put them on reservations. The Native Americans had no CHOICE, they had to relent.
However this is where our story changes. Somewhere along the way we realized that we were wrong, they still live on reservations, and we will not take that from them. The smoking ban is different, because we had our "reservations" but some people wanted that for themselves too. Now we have nothing. We are supposed to be quiet, and take it. Nice.
We haven't come too far from where we started in this country after all...
June 16, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Crack, I would rather be "silly"(at times can be fun!), then stupid, as some demonstrate. Signs are placed to "inform" but if you elect NOT to be "informed", whose problem is that?YOURS! Did you ever learn to read or are you also going to blame some teacher for YOUR inablity to follow directions? I spent a term in the military and every so often we would be directed we had to be subjected to "Tear Gas". The building that we went to do this had "Tear Gas" written outside informing us what was inside.I HAD to go inside but the time I spent inside without a gas mask was up to me. Now in what you have said, you would walk in and visit even knowing the affects it would have, I got in and out!!! The same could be said for the smoking sign, you knew and went ahead by your own free will, not very bright would you say?
June 16, 2009 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
No, you miss the point again. What are you doing on the reservation land anyway? Were you invited? Oh that's right you go where you please. Maybe they didn't want you there.
Actually the point was that you already restricted the activity but it wasn't good enough and you took it all. Get it? Probably not.
Oh, wait, now you are turning it around saying you would have no where to go?!?! History tells us that we are good at taking away rights, and we don't give them back.
June 16, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Logjam had a song called "Suckin' Turkey Leg". I know what you're thinkin', "We already know all this about Logjam!". I'm sorry for that but I just get excited and love to talk about Logjam.
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam!
(not available online)
Now with illustrations and scratch n' sniff!
June 16, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Now you see, you are still not getting it. As far as my comparison goes, it sure seems like you wouldn't mind taking a few more things from the Native Americans if you had your way. They allow smoking in a casino. Lucky, they aren't around here I guess, because they might lose out if you had your way.
"One would think they would want to provide a safe environment if they’re trying to get as many people in there as possible."
Ya think? They were trying to get as many people inside, you didn't feel it was safe for you, but you still went in.
No, it certainly hasn't always been this way. We had a small venue and you took it. That is not my stance. My stance is rights lost over lack of common sense. Worthless.
June 16, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
giggles....I wore out a keyboard trying to get old crack to see simple logic but to no avail. Your debate with her makes for interesting reading but you will never get her to ignore her own selfish interest long enough to understand simple truths. You have put forth one hell of an effort though. I admire you.
YY4U....as usual.....I agree.
June 16, 2009 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Hey biscuitboy,
I know, I know. It's just fun for me is all, I still have that right for now. I probably shouldn't post this, because it will give crack a new agenda to push, but I'm going to use my right till they take it away...
June 16, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
crack that is indeed the song!
Great song!
I don't know how you can have such a good knowledge of Logjam and think that they are outdated and overrated. To each their own I guess. You will be buying my book though, won't you?
Seriously R. Folks
arthur of the future best selling biographically written novel about the life and times and music and career of the greatest ROCK band ever in the world............... Logjam!
(not available online)
Now with illustrations and scratch n' sniff!
ps
It will be out as soon as I can find a publisher that can really capture the smells of the band with their scratch n' sniff technology.
June 16, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, Oh! dear!!! You would have no place to go!!! Do you in your questionable mind think ANY of the bars owners WANT you in their business? I truly have my doubts.
Again, you miss the point, I didn't have a choice regarding breathing tear gas, YOU DID! in breathing cigarette smoke. Thanks! I'm sure all our veterans and current soldiers REALLY liked your response "suck it up"!!! I did as little as I could before I GOT OUT OF THERE!!! Believe you can't say the same!!!!!!!
Also, remember that it is for those SOLDIERS that YOU are allowed "Freedom of speech", those that have been "sucking it up!"
June 16, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
crack
Oh my! The turkey leg recipe is pure genius! I will definitely incorporate that idea into the book. In return for the great idea I'll give you one that will make millions. Follow me on this one .................. Crack n' Sacks Turkey Leg Shack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You could put a Logjam cassette single in every kids meal! It would be awesome! I just feel bad for Wendy's and other fastfood restaurants. Wendy's better really bring it with those restrooms I hear so much about or they are in BIG trouble.
Seriously R. Folks
June 16, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Glen Frey, man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXLcP...
June 16, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, for your information I am a woman, now does that tell you if I signed-up or were drafted?? Believe YOU are the one crying for this is the ONLY time I have mentioned my very educational military service. Again you like to misinterpet what is being said! Why don't you "suck it up" and go fly a broom? You seemed to be trained for that!!!!
June 16, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Hey,
Check this out, just what I'm talking about, too much govt. intrusion. Crack, this seems to be right up your alley, might as well, what have we got to lose? You'll find out and make sure we do though whttp://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/06/16/dnt.driveway.parking.ticket.wtvgon't ya?
June 16, 2009 at 1:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Oops, should be
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crim...
June 16, 2009 at 1:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
Also crack, THANK GOD that YOU weren't my drill sergeant, but in realiaty, you couldn't make it!!! Not with the attitude that you have, "I go where I want, when I want". You are truly all mouth but unable to show that you have ANY knowledge concerning life or this debate. I bet you smoked at one time!!For it is proven that "past smokers" are the worse towards people who currently smoke, much more so then non-smokers. I know you wouldn't ever admit to this cause that isn't in your personality to say "yes, I did!" "Also, by the way, when I was discharged after serving a COMPLETE term, I received an "Honorable" discharge and MANY letters of recommendations for a job well done. I was glad to have served my nation, what have you done?
June 16, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
giggles, the video was so true to "crack form" except to the part of pulling the tickets to get them cancelled because of poor judgement on the giver. Nice job!!!!
June 16, 2009 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Well, it just seems to me that there was at least one sensible councilman in that town. He didn't think it was right, but we'll see if he can get them overturned. He might have as much trouble there as we are here.
June 16, 2009 at 2 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
"I don't hear most soldiers complain about having to "suck it up"
You obviously haven't been around too many soldiers, lol.
PS- Sorry about my last message, I got a new phone and the keyboard takes some getting used to. It was wierd typing with my thumbs. I'm not sure what you all thought I was typing with...
June 16, 2009 at 2:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
LOL
June 16, 2009 at 2:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
See, I told ya guys, she doesn't know when to quit. No such thing as to each his own, with crack its, to each is crackinsacks.
June 16, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
So you know how I feel about the ban so I won't repeat it -- again.
I don;t see what the attacks on each other accomplish here. Yes I know, I told one of us that I was not a fan. However, that does not come down to name-calling and ugly comparison.
I will say that I don't really see this ban as government intrusion anymore. A group of citizens asked for the ban, the city OK'd it (as opposed to acting without ANY citizen input). Another group of citizens called for an election. The PEOPLE voted and the majority of those voters wanted a ban.
Like it or not, the government is now doing what a majority of those who cared enough to vote want. Seems to me the system worked. Government responded to its citizens.
Bashing Crack or any others is NOT going to change that.
June 16, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
YY4U: doesn't matter anymore, does it. What's done is done. The question now is what to do to save our bars? And not all of us served in the military. It had nothing to do with "avoiding" duty. Yet, you lump all of us in with comment. And, for what it is worth, what does serving have to do with the smoking ban?
June 16, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Well, I say that those who enacted the ban better figure out how to save the bars. They got what they wanted, now they need to deal with the repercussions.
June 16, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
You see people the problem with crack is she believes that she is the " PUBLIC " and only she and her hate smoking, hate smokers and ban smoking crowd are the only " PUBLIC " that matter and the rest of us are not part of the public of Emporia & the county !
June 16, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Did you not see from the video, the mayor in that town wasn't interested in rationale. He wouldn't talk to anyone and got angry to those who asked. Seems pretty arbitrary to me.
The point was that you like to split hairs and then get pushy and arogant.
Please answer why you drop the argument when you can't give any reasonable rationale, you don't apologize or contend that someone else has valid points.
You know why? Because you are a right fighter. Do you want to be fair or do you want to be right? You just want to be right. It doesn't make you right. It doesn't mean that you've won. You just can't stand to be wrong.
June 16, 2009 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crackinsack, here area a couple of quotes from one of your recent posts, quote, " I'm not going to let them control me!, " Smokers are bullies " .
I would like to know. Now who are the bullies and exactly who is contolling who, now that you have gotten your self-serving way .
June 16, 2009 at 4:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crackinsack, I would also like to know how any smoker or business that allowed smoking, " BULLIED " you or anyone else to be exposed to smoking, smokers or SHS ?
I know for my part, absolutely no-one bullies me into anything I don't want or am smart enough to avoid or do !
June 16, 2009 at 4:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
If I were half as smart as I think I am, I would give up.
June 16, 2009 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
"Know what? The ban passed! Game over. I win. ; ) "
Way to make my point for me crack. It's all a game to you and you gloat like a child.
"Most opposed to the ban are acting out of selfishness and greed."
That's rich, crack. Smokers had one small venue left available to them, and the ban eliminated it. Really, who's the selfish one?
"I begin with rational arguments, but when those are disregarded"
Rape as an analogy, is neither rational nor practical. I even had to correct your own analogy to make it fit the argument, and then I still had to show you that it was not a valid argument.
Lastly your poor poor pitiful me, I have no common sense routine, takes the cake.
How you can rationalize this as a good reason for a ban, is beyond my scope of reasoning. Those of us with common sense have to do without rights, because those of you without can't control yourselves.
Explain my misinformed points, I must have missed something somewhere.
June 16, 2009 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
I'm sorry. Sarcasm doesn't translate well via text. Sure looked like a gloat to me.
June 16, 2009 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Like I said before...her own self-interest....she wants to be free to go where she wants....do what she wants...act as she wants.....and never be bothered at all by the effect her actions have on the rights and wants of others.
And as most of you allready know, I do not drink, smoke, or go to bars...so none of this has any personal affect on me. But you see, some people are sensitive to the needs and rights of others even when they have nothing personal to gain from it. But that's something the CAE crowd would never understand.
June 16, 2009 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Well put biscuitboy. I also do not smoke. I just truly believe taking away someone elses right to do so in the only places they have left is so wrong.
June 16, 2009 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
I'm moving on.....this discussion has become a huge waste of time and will not have any impact other than making a few feel better for getting it off their chest.
See y'all in another forum.
June 16, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
RETROSPECTIVE: When it became a requirement for employees (food and beverage industry) to wash their hands, was the new health regulation considered a socialist action taking away the rights of business owners? Were those in favor of the regulation told to "go elsewhere" if they didn't like the fact that the establishment was unsanitary?
June 16, 2009 at 5:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
jcook66801, you asked "what did serving have to do with the smoking ban"? Please reread past post and you will see that I was only using that as an illustration to explain why cracks logic is so "off" the wall concerning not acknowledging signs and entering a bar that was posted "smoking" inside. Please note who started the name calling, which is so very true to form with crack.
This ban IS truly intervention of RIGHTS! Yes, the ban went through but nevertheless that DOESN'T make it right. It has been said "that once a law, always a law", in this case I hope that is wrong. As you know, Emporia has been a super town and for those of us who have lived here most of our lives, so hate to see the separation and it is separated. We had a very good ban, once, that worked for all, was fair to all. That was taken away and replaced with a very "one-sided" ban. Also, as you pointed out, it was targeted at the bars, where smokers frequent. The bars could have been exempt but they weren't, I understand the bar owners tried. Politics???? I hope you understand "why" I feel as strongly as I do.
June 16, 2009 at 5:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
The question is raised on how to save the bars. The only way to save the bars is for the pro-ban folks to go out and frequent the bars like they promised they would. Crack and her hubby's $60 in one week won't suffice. As Steve pointed out and I've seen when I was a regular, people will come in every day after work and spend $40. The number of people coming out is not the same and the amount they spend is not the same. That business model won't last long. The pro-ban people say adapt, it's the way business works. I would say, ok fine. What can be changed to bring you out more and spend as much as the regulars did? I'm sure the bar owners would like to know and would probably even implement some of the changes if it would truly pan out.
June 16, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Well put Pingeon.
Some might suggest lowering prices, but you know what happens when bars do that? Well, I won't go there.
Some may say offer live entertainment or karaoke, but that requires another cost to the owner.
And some pro-ban people thought there were too many bars in Emporia anyway and this was a way to weed them out.
I am considering going to divinity school and becoming ordained and changing my business into a church. The Church of the Devine Cigarettes. Continuous worship services consisting of booze and smoking. Just let the city try to muzzle my freedom of religion. Sorry I don't know what to do anymore except joke about it.
June 16, 2009 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
Lowering prices? I didn't think prices were that bad in Emporia. You expect to pay a little more at a bar than a liquor store. The owner has to pay the bills and the rent/mortgage on the building and then make a little bit to live off of. Live entertainment? A couple bars already do that from what I understand and still aren't seeing packed places like they used to. Karaoke? That does bring a certain crowd out, but drives others away. I don't care for it, so I tend to leave if the bar is hosting it that night. Too many bars already? Maybe, maybe not. Laws of supply and demand were at work and still managed to keep that many bars open. I am betting a few more will shut down now. Very unfortunate because it will be more than just supply and demand at work now.
June 16, 2009 at 9:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
crack, you said:
Vehicles are (usually) operated outdoors where the exhaust can dissipate easily. Cars, unlike cigarettes, also provide a useful service to society. With cars, the benefit clearly outweighs the harm.
I don't see how cars are benefiting anyone. It would be much more beneficial if everyone would walk or even ride bikes... better for their bodies. Cars only allow people to get where they need to be faster. Since you are the almighty health guru on here, you know.. telling everyone how bad SHS is for you and everyone else, I would expect you to understand my reasoning here. Please explain to me how a car is beneficial again? Using up natural oil supplies, causing our nation to go farther and farther in debt, keeping Americans from getting the exercise they so desperately need, to lose weight, remain healthy and live LONG prosperous lives.
BTW, I'm not stupid. I know the ban is for indoors. But now seriously, what purpose would it serve me to smoke indoors, when you are outside trying to breathe your fresh air? You are so giddy you got your way, best thing I could do was to try to dirty your almighty fresh air, just a little. Of course, EPD wouldn't have stopped me (if it were illegal to smoke outdoors)... they don't even stop the people who really ARE breaking the laws!
Come to think of it, cigarettes can serve a purpose to society as well. The smokers have to buy the cigarettes, which means revenue to local businesses. Then of course, they have to have health insurance to cover medical costs- which we will need years later thanks to the endless cigarettes we smoked. That provides more money to companies, and more jobs. We have to have people to work in the insurance industry, as well as the medical. Let's not forget the bars. Because you know, some smokers like to drink, and some drinkers like to smoke. This means more revenue for local taverns, then on to alcohol distributors, and on to producers... and let's not forget to mention the police. They get paid to break up the fights in the bars, and issue tickets to drunk drivers, etc... the list goes on and on. Geeze, and here you thought cigarettes were worthless!
Hmmm, I love my reasoning!
June 16, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crack, you, the CAE and others tried to bully the City Commission and Commissioners into helping you bully this ban upon people, in a somewhat secretive manner and got caught !
So the ban was put to a public vote, and when the CAE suddenly saw that they could possibly lose the vote, the CAE and its supporters ( you ) actively recruited temporary residents ( college students ) to vote on the issue, while not allowing citizens who did not live within the City Limits of Emporia and yet buy and spend in Emporia, own businesses in Emporia, pay taxes in Emporia and in general support Emporia as much or more so than those who live in the city and certainly more than any temporary resident ever would or will .
That is the most blatant and dispicable form of " BULLYING " imaginable.
It could also be called " rigging the vote " or " controlling the vote outcome, which in actuality " does more HARM to everyone than smoking, smokers or shs will ever do or has done !
In case you have not noticed, money that used to support Emporia and its businesses is leaving Emporia, because of this unneeded and unnecessarily harsh, unfair and self-serving ban.
June 16, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
methusia, nicely written! Only afraid crack doesn't give a "hoot" about anyone but herself,not Emporia, the businesses,or other people as long as she "appears" to have "WON". Now we and the town will have to see what happens. I sincerely wish the businesses the best for they have been drug thru fire and no one to help put it out. As "giggles" said, "CAE wanted it, they got it, so lets see what they do with
their "victory" for the town truly has enough problems with the economical situation today.
June 17, 2009 at 12:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
"REVENUE IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO HARM PEOPLE!" ......
Obviously crack has no concept of our government and how it works (and has been working for a long time.........) LOL
What I'd like to know is:
Since the "country folk" who work in the city full-time were not allowed to vote...........
Then why were city residents who work outside Emporia allowed to vote?
June 17, 2009 at 1:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
This just in:
DODGE CITY, Kan. (AP) — Dodge City commissioners have amended the city's smoking ban to allow gamblers to light up on the floor of a planned casino.
The original ban did not include the casino because the state hadn't selected a developer for the project at the time the measure was approved.
Smoking still won't be allowed anywhere except the casino floor and an adjacent lounge. Opponents of the change say other businesses should be given the same consideration, with one commissioner asking if making an exception for the casino would set a precedent.
Others say businesses are welcome to build smoking areas as long as they meet requirements such as a separate ventilation system and four impermeable walls.
The Dodge City casino is scheduled to open in November.
Information from: The Dodge City Globe, http://www.dodgeglobe.com
Money talks and BS walks.
Matt
June 17, 2009 at 4:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
crack.....
Let me say it one more time....it's because the non-smokers already had other options for places to go where they didn't have to be exposed to the evil second-hand smoke. But that was not good enough for the SHS police.....no-no....they needed to engineer a change whereby they could go any where and everywhere their little hearts wanted to go.
So they passed a smoking ban that left smokers no acceptable options.....(standing out in a parking lot in the elements or staying home not being acceptable options).....without any regard to their rights at all. So your continued re-writing of history does not change the elemental truth that the disregard for rights sets completely on the back of the CAE cadre.
But this brings us right back where we started eons ago . Proving once again that cracky and her buddies own selfish intrerest are paramount over the wants and needs of all others.
Party on cracky...the rest of us will just move over and hide in shame! NOT!!!!!!
June 17, 2009 at 7:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
I have been railing on the news forum about the city budget and the papers reader poll. Anyone on this thread want to offer suggestions to the city manager on how to cut the budget? One way would be to drop giving EDA any money from tax revenues. EDA used to be called DARE. When it was shown in nationwide studies, (I'M NOT KIDDING), to be inaffective on stopping drug use, the city of Emporia just renamed it EDA and raised it's budget. Call or e-mail you commissioners/city manager and demand that it be de-funded with your tax dollars. There are EFFECTIVE drug abuse programs out there that could use that money.
June 17, 2009 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
The problem I have with the amendment to the ban the Dodge City Commissioners have proposed is the fact that and I quote, " Others say businesses are welcome to build smoking areas as long as they meet requirements such as a separate ventilation system and four impermeable walls ."
Now, if any of these smoking areas have any openings in the walls, such as doors windows, etc., they can not be deemed impermeable ! I don't think anyone has bothered to see exactly what the term " impermeable " refers to or means !
Also, according to the playbook, strategy guide or bible ( so to speak ) of all smoking ban organizations and proponents and again I quote, " There is no effective form of ventilation that will remove smoke or shs " . Now this was a big point that has been made by all ban smoking advocates everywhere, including our own CAE and other local ban smoking nuts !
And I agree, Matt, the money or loss or lack of money is starting to talk and the B.S. is starting to walk !
Makes me wonder if our own City Commissioners are starting to rethink their support of such a ban ? Especially the one that happens to own a HAV business ? Maybe there has been a recent break-through design in ventilation systems that will remove smoke, shs that means he could possibly make a ton of money on, but will his CAE buddies approve of a repeal or amendment to the smoking ban ? I doubt it very much !
Just by observing the way things are going, elsewhere with this rights trashing and revenue killing smoking ban, I don't think we have heard the last of it, YET !
June 17, 2009 at 8:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I hate to say, " I told you so ", but if you will all remember when this smoking ban and rights trashing debate was going hot and heavy on this forum, I for one said that when you start down the slippery slope of removing peoples freedoms, rights and certain liberties, that it would be nearly impossible to reverse the damage such actions would cause and that in the end everyone would have to pay !
Well it looks as if my prophecy may come to fruition sooner than even I ever imagined .
rbow, I have already been emailing the Commissioners with suggestions as to how to stop the budget hemoraging and loss of revenue, such as cutting the City Managers wage by 20% and cutting the support of certain services, such as EDA and other non productive services the City happens to fund and the repealing of the new smoking ban and reimplementing of the previous smoking ordinance !
But I am afraid that it will do little good, as I am afraid that the influence of the powers that be in Emporia have more influence and money than I have !
I believe that what will happen is, we will all see an increase in taxes, certain City services rate increases, etc, etc.
Oh, if the Metropolitan Area Planning Commission is funded or paid by the City, how about cutting their funding, they haven't done much lately !
Emporia is quickly being put in a bad situation and it would seem that none of those who govern the City had or have the cajones to stand up to the powers that be or make the tough decisions to say no to the powers that be in Emporia or cut funding to non-productive entities and you, me and the rest of the citizens are going to pay and suffer for it, including those that supported a smoking ban !
June 17, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
"There are EFFECTIVE drug abuse programs out there that could use that money."
They're called parents. The village(of idiots) has taken our money and tried to raise our kids using it and.................... they really suck at it. It's time to step up, be parents(if you are one), and tell these village idiots that our tax dollars aren't going to fund their failed programs anymore. We see it again and again that these programs are run inefficiently(to say the least) so why do we continue to pour money into them?
Sorry for getting slightly off topic. Usually I'm pretty good about keeping things on topic but government waste really gets to me.
Seriously R. Folks
June 17, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
County folks do wonders for or local economy, wouldn’t you agree? Why then, are you suggesting the county folk demographic should NOT be represented in the vote? Surely the county folks are the same people that we live with and work with and will continue to do so for years.
If you want county folks to keep coming here for everything and feeding our economy, you had better provide a city atmosphere they want to be a part of. If you don’t, they’ll go elsewhere. The best way to do this is to allow them to vote in such elections.
June 17, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
YY4U
That might work since people think that a marriage is a magical piece of paper sold by the government.
Seriously R. Folks
'merican
June 17, 2009 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Gee, I wonder if those people that smoke didn't have to make any decisions before this selfish, self-serving smoking ban, such as deciding to obey the wishes of a public business that was posted No Smoking Allowed or having to be in the smoking section of a business that allowed smoking or put out their smoke when asked politely to do so ?
Crack, as you can or can not see by your posts, your self-serving attitude has deluded your way of thinking to such an extreme, that you believe that smokers smoke 24/7 and do so where ever they please, did not have to make any choices or decisions, were bullying or forcing you to expose yourself to them and their habit or life style, are bullies, murders, terrorists, etc. Well, let me say, crack, nothing could be further from the truth, these people, though they smoke, have just as much right to live their life and life style as they want, run their businesses as they see fit no more no less !
It has always been the responsiblity of the individual to make his/her own decisions as to what is best or worse for them and no one elses !
You and others have called this smoking ban, " Progressive " !
Look about you, do you belive that the division, dislike, even hatred, bad feelings, suffering that this smoking ban has caused, even amongst friends, a " Progessive " result !
If this is your idea of " Progressive " , I will take being stuck in the stone age anytime !
Sometimes being what one believes to be " Progressive " is not the best thing !
June 17, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
My understanding of " Progessive ", this whole thing pretty much sums it up. Welcome to 2009. I remember when this was progressive .................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCittu...
That's Prog.
Great song from the Union album where they got all the former members of Yes back together.
June 17, 2009 at 9:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I would still like to know why city residents who work outside the city were allowed to vote while rural residents who work inside the city were not. Where did they spend the majority of their day being exposed to something? Suppose they do the majority of their shopping/groceries wherever it is they work? (outside Emporia)?
June 17, 2009 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Really? College students do wonders for the economy? Where are they now when they are needed the most? Oh, that's right, they went home.
Also, the ban was enacted before classes let out for the summer, where were they then? Apparently, they are as reliable as the non-smoking pro-ban residents. You aren't keeping up with your end of the bargain. You have to relent that you bit off more than you could chew with this one.
June 17, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Any other Yes fans on here? Not an "Electric Jug" player but Chris Squire is awesome for a bass "guitar" player. Anyone else agree?
June 17, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
So..... nobody who has their primary residence in the country owns any property inside Emporia, such as rental houses? Businesses?
Are you sure? Boo.......... "who"? What about people that farm/own businesses outside Emporia but live in town? Should they not vote?
June 17, 2009 at 10:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Instead of "Are you sure?, I meant to say...... "wanna bet?"
June 17, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
No one will come to Emporia? That's a little too all encompassing don't you think? Apparently we aren't too bad. Hills decided to come here before the ban came about, aside from all of the other businesses already here.
Funny, they could have gone to other places here in eastern Kansas that already had smoking bans in place, and yet they still came here. Maybe they liked the freedom?
June 17, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
crack....before the smoking ban was passed you non-smokers had to decide weather to go to the bar and face the elements or stay home....you also had one more decicion to make that you convienently left out...the decision weather or not to go to a smoking bar or a non--smoking establishment.
You have however denied that decision to smokers. And telling smokers if they don't like it they can always quit....is just as arrogant as it would have been for smokers before the ban to tell non-smokers "if you don't like SHS then just start smoking". How absurd!
June 17, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Splitting hairs again. We were talking about students. You threw the workers in there, they are already citizens who may or may not already had a vote, depending on whether they live in or outside the city limits.
Nobody said that the smoking ban caused those things. The ban didn't help our situation after they did. You have a lot that flies over your head.
YY4U's point was the current law on smoking was sufficient. Why spend money, better spent elsewhere fixing what isn't broken? Because that's what government does.
Whoa, you take a far leap putting us all in a Christian basket. That is also a very one sided narrow minded stance. But if you want to go by your own examples, he also said that those w/o sin cast the first stone, and don't judge your neighbor.
June 17, 2009 at 11:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Let's face it, college students who are 18 have the right to vote. Most would vote in their HOMETOWN election as that would affect them and their families. Word has it, that there were however, several out of town students who were not even registered to vote in the presidential election, that were promised a good grade if they registered to vote in the city election. That comes close to vote buying. Seems like Emporia had it's own ACORN Group.
June 17, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Crack,
Do you think that the smoking ban has improved business in bars in Emporia?
You certainly thought it would before the ban, I want to hear your thoughts on it now. By the way, I was in an unnamed bar last night, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that after midnight, not one person came in the bar that didn't smoke. Where is this magical influx of non-smokers? I thought you all were going to come out in droves after this thing passed!
It was just as I suspected though. You all pass a law you don't fully understand against businesses you don't go to, whose owners told you it not only wouldn't work, but would cause the business and the city to lose a large percentage of income/taxes. And now you have nothing to say? Crack is the only ban supporter on here now. Where have you all gone? Can you at least come on here and admit you were wrong? Can you admit that yes, a smoking ban DOES kill business in a bar? Or is that below you?
Matt
June 17, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
PS--The bar industry might be down 30%, but hey, at least your hair doesn't smell like smoke when your roommate is holding it while your puking up jagerbombs.
June 17, 2009 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
LOL
June 17, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
I already said that I don't feel temporary students should get a vote at all. A great majority are only here to get their education and get out. I live here.
The process was not fair and not right.
Matt, I feel that the people who got this thing passed were so sure of their so called improvements, that when it has clearly failed as a measure, they cannot admit their fault. It apparently is too embarrassing to be truthful. That is what it has come to.
The paper, the council, the city planner, all silent. They won't even address this issue any more. I haven't heard a peep. It's not like the problems haven't been resonating through the town. It's not like we have been terribly quiet about it. They won't speak. I guess they are waiting for the businesses to fail, and for people to give it up. I don't know why they think that we can afford this loss, or how we can stop the bleeding...
June 17, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Probably part of the reason all these people who were concerned about their health and voted for the ban aren't now going to bars is that they are concerned about their health and they don't go to bars.
DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
June 17, 2009 at 12:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
You all knew the ban was coming directly after the long awaited vote tally. Not used to the freedom. What a riot.
Besides, you've had 2 months, what more do you need? Give you any more time and they will be closed by then, then nobody is going to a bar here in town. Guess you will have to try to get the ban passed county wide so you can go where all the smokers have gone.
June 17, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Crack,
I'm going to disagree with your "transition" theory, and here's why. I distinctly remember Bobbi Sauder standing in front of the city commission and saying she couldn't wait for the smoking ban to pass so she could frequent the downtown bars and listen to the live music. I'm sorry, but I really can't sign off on the "they're not going out because they're not used to it" line.
Matt
June 17, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Is this thing ever going to forum or what? What's the dealio with that?
June 17, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I'm actually kinda worried about Gwen. I've never seen a story go this far without going to forum. I hope nothing happened to her when she was undercover workin' on the startlin' expose about the local burglary ring.
June 17, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Seriously R. Folks
June 17, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sandman (anonymous) says...
crack, your "give it some time" sure ounds like you've been "taught" or should I say "Brain washed"? Plus, in your past post you've said "I NEVER am negative first"? Oh! please look at your post to "biscutboy"sure seems negative to me and downright ugly, but again, when someone tells you the truth and you have no comeback, your only way is to be negative. Gee, CAE had taught you well, so sad they haven't taught you truth instead of fiction and wasted our tax dollars doing so!!!
June 17, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
It is cold blooded that all the other ban proponents are leavin' crack out here alone to defend their position.
June 17, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
"students do wonders for our economy by being here and spending money"
Wait a minute...... rural folk who "do wonders for the economy by being in town and spending their money there"...... don't count.... but students do........
So what about rural residents who attend ESU??????
I lived in the country when I attended ESU AND worked in Emporia. Should I have gotten to vote? I worked & spent money there..... I was a student, "doing wonders for the economy by being there and spending money". MY presence created a bunch of jobs, every bit as much as someone else who lived further away did. Actually more, since living close by I spent alot more of my time and money in Emporia.............
?????????????????????????????????????????
June 17, 2009 at 1:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
The paper, the council, the city planner, all silent. They won't even address this issue any more. I haven't heard a peep. It's not like the problems haven't been resonating through the town. It's not like we have been terribly quiet about it. They won't speak. I guess they are waiting for the businesses to fail, and for people to give it up. I don't know why they think that we can afford this loss, or how we can stop the bleeding...
Crack, you are the only one speaking anymore about this from the pro-ban side. They left you behind. Why is that, even you have to question that.
June 17, 2009 at 2:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
"Holy cow, you people are dense! I guess that explains your stance on the smoking ban. "Der...I'm a smoker...duh...I vote on stuff...doy...smoking is good for children...duh...evolution is fake...nee, buhdee..." Just remember, Jesus doesn't want you to deface the temple (your body) so you might want to stop smoking or you'll go to Hell. It’s in the Bible, look it up."
Tell us again why we shouldn't take offense...
June 17, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crackinsack or should I say crackinstupid :
Show or name me any business in Emporia who's soul purpose for being in business and allowing its clientel to smoke, was to purposly kill people ! You see there is another one of your asenine, self-serving, disrespectful statements !
AAAAhhh, your holiness, crackinstupid, would you please name the biblical verse that says you will go to hell for smoking ! Have you forgotten that a lot of priests, ministers, etc., both smoke and drink ! How do you feel about them !
Also is smoking a sin, punishable by an eternity in hell and is what you and the CAE did to your fellow man a sin, also punishable by an eternity in hell ?
And crack, the " temple " referred to in the bible is open to interpretation and the term " defacing the temple " is also open to interpretation .
Since you've missed my posting definitions, here is one, de·face (dē fās′, di-)
transitive verb defaced -·faced′, defacing -·fac′·ing
1.to spoil the appearance of; disfigure; mar
2.to make illegible by injuring the surface of
I believe that I know what your self-serving answer will be to these to questions Saint crackinstupid, so don't bother answering !
June 17, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crack,
Do you understand the concept, that your analogy of a business and its owner allowing his/her customers to smoke and your quote, " methusla,
You say, “run their businesses as they see fit.” Can I open a business that kills our customers? “Welcome to Crack’s” BOOM! …dead…
It’s my business, so I should be able to do what I want, right?"
Is absolutly wrong and asenine and is your self-serving way of justifying your bullying and controlling peoples lives.
You know full well, or should know full well, that no-one who opens a business, owns a business or operates a business does so with the soul intent of, as you say, kill people, BOOM, your dead !
crack your logic is so ridiculous it borders on insanity !
June 17, 2009 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
266 POSTS
HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MOVING VAN, GWEN?
June 17, 2009 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
IN THE MEAN-TIME;
josiesbar:
I hope you were talking about the other bar in your above post.
June 17, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I wonder if crack knows exactly how many " authors " took part in the writing of the greatest book ever written and how each of these authors inerpreted what they saw and heard ?
Just to let crack know, I do have faith and I just happened to study, " Religions of the World " while attending college and learned a great deal from doing so !
And crack, absolutly no-one knows absolutely for sure whether they will be with Jesus in paradise or spend an eternity in torment !
By the way lay of the crack, crackinsack .
June 17, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
giggles (anonymous) says...
Crack, went outside to get heat stroke. It actually explains a lot.
June 17, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
cracky.....If you really knew what my face looked like you would know why it would be impossible for me to take offense at your unfounded comment.
Now.....does that mean that my face is so mishapened and scarred that it really is absurd.....and perhaps the real reason for my username? Or does it mean that my face is soooooooo beautiful that the mere making of any negative comment about it is in itself absurd. I will leave this for you to decide.
Of course there is another option.....that my face is actually pretty normal looking and being basically a pretty nice guy, I'm not easilly offended......except of course when you call me a stupid idiot.....no that just pretty much chaps my a--!
June 17, 2009 at 3:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
" Or does it mean that my face is soooooooo beautiful that the mere making of any negative comment about it is in itself absurd."
According to my auntie Folks this is the case.
Seriously R. Folks
June 17, 2009 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
Your wonderful totally bogus freedom
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...
"Even now, smokers feel they are the last, great persecuted group on the planet. They feel they are unjustly shunned and mocked and made to go far, far away to enjoy their toxin of choice, unless they are shoved inside a sad little glass box at the airport like some sort of exotic animal zoo display from the depths of 1976. Look over there, kids! Sickly, yellowish people who smell awful and enjoy phlegm! Don't stare, Timmy."
"How furious we get when something goes wrong because the government failed to regulate! How angry we get that the agency didn't do its job, the law wasn't enforced, the police didn't respond, the rules were not followed, the warning label not clearly displayed, the restaurant not inspected, the meat not real, the doctor not certified, the corporation not ethical, the pothole not filled! Lawsuit city, baby."
June 17, 2009 at 5:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
continuing...
"Do not misunderstand. I am no fan of hissing, hyperactive lawmaking, of more agencies and rules and insidious bureaucracies, of unchecked powers given to our megalomaniacal politicians to probe and peek and control. Far from it. But I'm also not much of a fan of the silly hypocrisy of bogus outrage, the feigned indignation, the puling and ranting about what we ourselves happily agreed to construct.
Freedom doesn't mean wanton wasteful, lawless, screw-'em-all behavior whenever you feel like it because Jesus and your drunken id said it was OK. It means being able to see the nature of that pool we all built together, to dive in deep, sink and spit and maybe sometimes nearly drown, and still come up laughing. Doesn't it? "
June 17, 2009 at 5:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
Nice try.
June 17, 2009 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sundancekid (anonymous) says...
The editorial is about regulations, not labels.
June 17, 2009 at 6:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
Man, I'm a Logjam fan. Deal with it!!!
June 17, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I useta could smoke though. Menthols, cheap ones.
June 17, 2009 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
Ain't this a kick in the butt...from Wichita TV station 12:
Not Enough Names to Snuff Salina Smoking Ban/Bus Drivers Compete
By Tracy Crockett (SALINA, Kan.)
Those against the new smoking ban will have to wait a little longer to see it put to a public vote. A petition turned in last week does not have enough valid signatures.
Election clerk Don Merriman says only 994 of the more than 1700 signatures on the petition were valid, that leaves the petition 396 short. A new petition must be circulated.
June 17, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Ok, let's try to straighten out the reasoning (shifting strike zone).
Only city people should vote because they are the ones that spend their money there.
But when you point out that many rural people work and own property in the city, and many city people work and own property outside of Emporia, it's dismissed.
Then only students who live in the city should be allowed to vote. Because they spend money there and create jobs at the university.
But if you point out students who spend money & create jobs might live outside the city, then it comes down to "well, we gotta draw the line somewhere".
Yes, but we're drawing the line back and forth all around your "they spend the money there and create jobs" args, because they're meaningless. Every time someone throws a strike down the middle you shift the strike zone. You may not think so but people notice.
And now we're getting into the habit of your regular "You're a clueless idiot" type statements, followed by "just kidding, don't take offense". About the 3rd or 4th time you use that it gets pretty transparent also. Yawn.
Here's a suggestion for "drawing the line somewhere". Emporia is the County Seat. Gov there sets county taxes, rules & regulations that affect everyone in the county. So Lyon countians vote. Not fair but you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?
June 17, 2009 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
As I understand it, only Emporia residents are allowed to vote in city elections. Since the ban did not apply to bars in the county and other towns, only Emporians got to vote. I can live with that.
I am a little suprised to hear that college students got to vote. Is that just the students from Emporia, or did students whose home address is elsewhere get to vote, too. As I recall from my college days, I was not allowed to vote in Lawrence elections but could vote in Wichita elections even though I was a KU student.
I have never seen where the voters were decided based on where they spent their money. Could be wrong, though.
June 17, 2009 at 11:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jcook66801 (anonymous) says...
Maybe it is time Emporia and Lyon COunty went to a unified government system. Would that allow us ALL to vote on every election?
June 17, 2009 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
driveonby (anonymous) says...
Looks like those 20% of Emporians who smoke made up 80% of the people who go out to clubs and bingo and pool halls and bowling. Heh, you VFW members, PLEASE come to Hutchinson to visit. You'll be treated with respect here, AND you can smoke if you want to. You won't have to stand outside like a vagrant. WE WANT YOU. Our City Council actual read up on ALL sides of the smoking issue and decided that since the small group of PAID lobbyests wanted the ban SO bad, that THEY would have to be the ones to do a petition drive. Imagine THAT! And our local paper presented ALL info and studies!!!!!! Who would have thought that the Hutchinson News would be LESS biased then the revered Emporia Gazette!? Our talk radio guys are non smokers but support the rights of small business owners. Small business owners?, what a concept! You mean one person OWNS his own business, and makes business decisions based on what his customers want? Yeah, we have the same bunch of grant funded busybodies here. And they QWACK all the time. Until they start qwacking for a complete ban on the SELLING of tobacco products, I for one, will not believe in anything they say. The kid who was shot in Little Rock, at the Recruitment Center, had stepped outside for a smoke when he was killed. Maybe Qwack, I mean Crack, thinks we'll be easier to shoot standing outside.
June 17, 2009 at 11:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
That was just the argument crack was using to justify why - because of who spent money where. Which turned out to be as full of holes as a fishing net. Just trying to point that out. She would have been better of to just have started out with an argument like yours & said thats the way it is. Just wish the same was reciprocated when it came to rural matters.
June 17, 2009 at 11:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MatthewCook (anonymous) says...
just out of precaution, i'm Matthew J "cookie" Cook. Jcook66801 is someone else.
June 18, 2009 at 1:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LifeGoesOn (anonymous) says...
I have not been on these fourms or posted for quite some time,(maybe a month or more) and I see why now. Same people,same subject,same silly comments.
June 18, 2009 at 4:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
As Forest Gump once said;
"SILLY IS AS SILLY DOES"
or something like that.
June 18, 2009 at 6:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
Back when I was a kid growing up here in Euphoria, Hutchinson was known mainly as the home of a reformatory for deliquent boys and a rough and tumble town on the edge of the western Kansas oil patch. Euphoria on the other hand was the Athens of the Plains....a self described oasis of enlightenmant. What a difference a few decades make.
You go you Hutchinson...you sound like a town a man would be proud to live in. Maybe once my job goes the way of most jobs in Euphoria I will move to the new center of enlightenment...the new Athens of the Plains.
June 18, 2009 at 6:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
biscuitboy (anonymous) says...
p.s.
once I get there I will still not go to bars....nor will I start smoking...but I will be proud to live in a town that is not bought and paid for by well-funded special interest groups.
LifeGoes On....I'm sorry....I hadn't noticed....Have you been gone? I apologize. I know how you must feel though. I've often felt I could go to a party stark naked and nobody would notice. LOL
June 18, 2009 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
Moved to a forum:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/...
June 18, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
crack says, "Besides, how many people does Bluestem employ anyway? Isn't that where all you yokels shop?" then tries to rectify it by adding I-was-only-joking BS.
No crack, you weren't joking. If you were, you wouldn't have said it in the first place. That was nothing but typical bully behavior laced with a holier-than-thou attitude. You need to apologize for the yokel comment, pure and simple. It matters not whether you shop at Bluestem either. The fact remains that you called people "yokels," a derogatory term, and you knew it. Else you wouldn't have said you were only joking.
June 18, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )