d23_66801 (anonymous) says...

oh boy! another way to promote drinking Way to go!

January 9, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

spuds4all (anonymous) says...

Yea drunks unite and crawl down the street what a way to promote alcoholism. Bring the kids and the picnic basket, fun for the whole family.

January 9, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MelissaE (anonymous) says...

If you don't like it, don't go. Duh.

January 9, 2009 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

spuds4all (anonymous) says...

I don't have to go Ill read about it in the obituaries (sorry sore spot I've lost to many family members to second hand alcohol).

January 9, 2009 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

scole (anonymous) says...

It does not surprise me to hear negative comments on something like this. Pub crawls are a way for people to interact. Adults drinking responsibly in a legal place. We walk, we don't drive. This is something to do for those who are tired of staying in on a Monday night. Some people come just for the interaction. Everyone of us is college educated, most with full time jobs as well. We crave the interaction and excitement that any group provides. Start a chess club maybe we will come to that too. But please don't judge something you really have no idea about.

January 9, 2009 at 1:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

schooler (anonymous) says...

Give it up. I love all you go-doers who insist on telling everyone in this town how to spend their time. If adults want to go pub crawling (aka bar hopping) let them and leave them alone. We always say support the local businesses and they are. They are not going out of town, and of course now that it involves alcohol we want to judge them. Bars are businesses as well. It's amazing how this town will put on functions where our high profile community members are present and alcohol will be served, but we don't judge them or tell them how to live their lives. I see many people in our local restaurants drinking and we don't judge. Nothing was ever about them driving or doing illegal acts. All those bars are in walking distance of each other. Believe it or not- people can drink alcohol and still be responsible citizens. It's amazing how quickly we are to judge others! So for all you go-doers in this town, take MelissaE advise-don't go!

January 9, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

"Everyone of us is college educated"
Um, so?
"We walk, we don't drive."
Maybe between bars but you got to get home some how.
I'm not trying to judge or tell you what to do but I had to comment on these two statements that seemed a little off to me.
It's also not very nice to slam someone who has lost a loved one because of an alcohol related accident.

January 9, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

spuds4all (anonymous) says...

I understand where you are coming from I'm a retired 20 year alcoholic who walked from bar to bar then drove home. I cannot count the times I woke up and could not remember where I parked my car, thank God I never crashed or got a DUI. Also I'm not judging the bars only I think all public events should ban alcohol, keep it home keep it safe.

January 9, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

schooler (anonymous) says...

These participants never mentioned they drove- taxi, dd?????? I never insulted anyone who lost a loved one I was responding to those who were judging. If you give Emporia enough time, we will ban alcohol, just wait, right after CAE we will have CLE (clean liver emporia). It's just a matter of time before the go-doers will try and control bars and restaurants a little more!

January 9, 2009 at 2:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

crack
Did you just say "alcohol GOOD, cigarettes BAD"?
Or am I reading too much into your statements?

January 9, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

spuds4all (anonymous) says...

Good point I was a law breaker until I realized liquid courage was impairing my judgment so I quit drinking over 10 years ago. As for baning I'm all for it and the DUI laws should have a mandatory 5 year jail term for the first offense, I know this would be harsh but it would make a point that it is illegal. Until people learn nothing will bring back a loved one this will be a hard topic for all people.

January 9, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

I see a lot of hate towards alcohol here, let me remind you that it is not alcohol that kills people, people kill people with poor decisions. Hate the person and the decision they made, not the alcohol. It is tragic that you lost a loved one to an idiot, but you lost that person to the idiot, not alcohol. People that go out and designate a driver or call a cab to get home are doing nothing illegal and speaking out againist folks who do things responsibly makes you look very bitter. Not all people that drink are criminals.

January 9, 2009 at 3:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wyse_guy (anonymous) says...

Isn't there a law against being a pedestrian under the influence as well as driving under the influence? Crack is probably the leader of the pack so its ok for them to crawl down commercial under the influence. go figure

January 9, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

"Hate the person......"
Ummmm, NO!!!! Hatred breeds all kinds of criminal acts when it is directed toward human beings. Hatred of a substance causes no harm toward people. Hatred is a lack of love and it's actually what causes people to choose harmful behaviors in the first place: hatred of self, hatred of specific people in one's life, and/or hatred of all humanity. That statement is one of the SCARIEST things I have read on these forums.

January 9, 2009 at 5:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

Coles.... maybe everyone can grab a broom and clean up all the broken beer bottles behind your bar in the parking lot as a group activity.

January 9, 2009 at 5:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wyse_guy (anonymous) says...

Cracknbags you sound like a full blown alcoholic with a drug problem because you sound like are on something. Maybe you think you suck up enough under the smoking ban that you can get away with being a pedestrian under the influence. Anything to do with alcohol is ok in your books thats sad. Alcohol attacks your liver and causes liver cancer and many other health problems. just think it doesnt have to be second hand smoke to kill people alcohol has just as many effects on a persons body. And yes it does effect others when they are injured by drunk pedestrians and or drivers!

January 9, 2009 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

Wow, another local business gets blasted on a blog. I'm shocked. Shocked I say... You can have fun at these events and not endanger people on the road. Use a designated driver. It's simple, and if you rotate DD's, everyone can enjoy alcohol at an event every now and then.

Alcohol, when used responsibly, can add an extra dimension of fun to an event. A lot of college towns have huge festivals where beer, for example, is provided in a park or outdoor type atmosphere. These events can provide a boost to the local economy and encourage people to re-visit Emporia. But beer is evil and we should only attend events appropriate for all ages, that don't offend anyone under any circumstances, during perfect weather, not too late or early, for free, with prizes, without using tax money and without affiliation to any specific race or religion. We could plan it for next fall. BLAND FEST 2009!

January 9, 2009 at 5:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

scole (anonymous) says...

KSFARMER- The reason those bottles were there was for pick up by the city as part of the recycling program.

January 9, 2009 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

scole;
You are fighting a losing battle, take it from someone who has fought the lable "saloon Keeper" for 30 years. It doesn't matter that you are a business owner who is trying to make a living. In Emporia , the fact that your business involves liquor makes you at best, a second class citizen, at worst a criminal. Sorry that's just the way it is. The best you can do is ignore the ignorant remarks and get on with it! Congrats on trying to give the younger adults something to do.
Steve Corbin
p.s. I think you should consider running for city commissioner, seriously!

January 10, 2009 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

goodoleboy
you said
"let me remind you that it is not alcohol that kills people, people kill people with poor decisions"
Surely you will admit that alcohol impairs judgment and causes the people you hate to make bad decisions they normally wouldn't make.
In another thread I tried to convince you that the ban was wrong by comparing it to a ban on guns. I guess I should have compared it to a ban on alcohol then maybe you would have understood.

crack
you said
"DUI laws protect non-drinking bystanders"
No they don't. People still die all the time from alcohol related accidents.

I find it interesting that crack and oleboy are the "go-doers"(I think the poster meant "do-gooders" on the other threads but on here if you step a little to close to their vice with the mighty scary boot of judgment and the weighty sandal of harsh words they get all up in arms and defend alcohol like it's penicillin.

And before you people start blasting me for bashing alcohol or smoking or accuse me of being a "go-doer" you might want to click on my user name and read my posts on the ban. I have been against it since I first heard of it. In fact in many of my posts I mentioned I don't drink or smoke but support the rights of those that do. This seems to be a concept that self centered people just cannot get their brains(or lack there of) around.

Oh heckfar you can call me a "go-doer" if you really want cuz I "go do" things all the time so I guess that would be OK.

January 10, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

good one seriouslyfolks. I'm glad you have such a good sense of humor.
Steve

January 10, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Yes I have a great sense of humor and I'm also extremely humble!

January 10, 2009 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

unlike crackinsack, it's hard for her to be humble, cause shes perfect in every way.
steve

January 10, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I guess we can only dream of being so perfect.

January 10, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wyse_guy (anonymous) says...

I dont want anybody getting the wrong idea Im all for people going out and having a good time.But ones who bash others for what they do then come on here bragging making it sound like everything they do is right.Just gets under my skin a little bit.For Wendys on 6th street that place was probably lucky they tore it down before it was closed down,the food was greasy and cold and if you complained they just gave you a duh look, half of the employes couldnt speak english,the bathrooms were filthy,the windows were moldy and had cobwebs with spiders in them.It was the picture of true filth.Who ever owned it wasnt concered about public health just making money.

January 10, 2009 at 10:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

wyse-guy; could you give me a hint on who you refering to?
my brain is moving a little slow today and I can't figure it out.
Steve

January 10, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

rbow,
I think he's talking about people who attack smoking and want it publicly banned, but they defend public drinking. He seems to want a little consistency from some notoriously inconsistent posters. I wish him luck!!!
(I don't think he's really attacking public drinking, just pointing out the double standard)

January 10, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

oh4theluvof:
thanks, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure. Consistency is a good thing, SOMETIMES? ;) HAR HAR.
steve

January 10, 2009 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

Hey, Steve,
How about one of those open commission seats? You are a local business owner, but one who gets the perspective of the everyday person. How would you feel about representing some of us local peons? Are you in a position to run? I don't want to put you on the spot, but I'd vote for you above many, many others and I think alot of your other townsfolk who, like me, aren't in a position to run would trust you to fairly and accurately represent us. What do you think?

January 10, 2009 at 1:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

d23_66801 (anonymous) says...

I guess it's easy for corbin to let joni and bill let there affair run in his bar because they are having good clean fun and i know for a fact that they get drunk and drive home but after all their just having adult fun huh?

January 10, 2009 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

d23_66801

don't have a clue to what you are refering to, and I do not care about peoples private lives if they don't bother me.
As far as someone driving home drunk, my bartenders routinely offer to call and pay for cab rides home if they feel someone shouldn't be driving.
I did go back to look at your past posts on here and wasn't suprised that SEVERAL had been removed by the Gazette staff. Let's try it on this last post shall we?

January 11, 2009 at 1:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

oh4theluvof:

As far as running for city commission, I did that once, wasn't elected but knocked two incumbents out in the primary race.
In that sense it wasn't a loss for me. At my age and with my attitude, (not to mention my health) I don't think I would make a good commisssioner at this time. A lot of people don't understand the time that is actually expended by a commissioner in their duties. It is definately not just 4 days a month for meetings. A person who runs for the office must truley do it for the good of the city. The way the meetings are scheduled a retired person would be perfect for the job. I know of several people that would be perfect for the job. Just wait, there will be a flood of people filing right at the deadline.
Steve

January 11, 2009 at 9:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

rbow,
Disappointing, but understandable. I didn't how things looked for you right now in relation to something like that. I myself have about three years until my current commitments would lessen enough to take that on--but I'm currently open to it happening then.
Gwen--where are you? Why hasn't d23's shameful attack been removed? I have used the removal suggestion and I'm sure Steve did too--probably others as well, but the post is still there.

January 11, 2009 at 1:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"Hate the person......"
Ummmm, NO!!!! Hatred breeds all kinds of criminal acts when it is directed toward human beings. Hatred of a substance causes no harm toward people. Hatred is a lack of love and it's actually what causes people to choose harmful behaviors in the first place: hatred of self, hatred of specific people in one's life, and/or hatred of all humanity. That statement is one of the SCARIEST things I have read on these forums."

Someone kills a loved dear to me you can make damn sure I will hate them for not being able to control themselves. PEOPLE get tried for alcohol related crimes, not he alcohol itself. People are the ones responsible therefore they should reap what they sow. Hopefully I scared some sense into you,

January 11, 2009 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

"goodoleboy
you said
"let me remind you that it is not alcohol that kills people, people kill people with poor decisions"
Surely you will admit that alcohol impairs judgment and causes the people you hate to make bad decisions they normally wouldn't make.
In another thread I tried to convince you that the ban was wrong by comparing it to a ban on guns. I guess I should have compared it to a ban on alcohol then maybe you would have understood."

I understand fine, apparently you do not. Guns do not kill people, the people that pull the trigger do, alcohol does not kill people, people making bad decisions do. Those that cannot handle themselves when they drink should not consume alcohol, why do think the conditions of probation are often no alcohol? Bottom line, I said nothing about a ban, I said that there is nothing wrong with responsible consumption of alcohol, just like there is nothing wrong with responsible use of firearms. Pretty cut and dry to me, and the laws of this country support it as such.

January 11, 2009 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

Hatred of the person who made a poor decision that ended someone's life is an imperfect but understandable reaction. However, it is still wrong and will only lead to another poor decision. People get tried because the demand for justice still exists even when there is not hatred. My statement still stands. Hatred of a person brings about bad decisions and harm. Hatred of a substance causes no personal harm. Hatred and the demand for justice are not the same thing.

January 11, 2009 at 9:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Stephan,
I hope your pub crawl will go good tommorow night. Everyone have fun and stay out of trouble;) If you guys have any petition sheets could you get them noterized and drop them off at the Royal or with Matt, so we can verify them.
Thanks,
Corbin

January 11, 2009 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

Sorry for the detraction from the article everybody. Be safe, make good decisions, and I wish you all no hangovers.
(To be clear, I wasn't advising anyone that they should hate alcohol, I was advising everyone that hatred of any person is dangerous, so if one must hate, hate a substance instead--.)

January 11, 2009 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

goodoleboy (anonymous) says...

I'll hate whoever I choose thanks, opinions are like......

January 12, 2009 at 1:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )