City Commission hears proposal to postpone smoking ban
Ordinance may be pushed back until after vote
By Russ Morgan (Contact)
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
The Emporia City Commission will consider an ordinance to postpone the start date of the smoking ban at its regular meeting next Wednesday.
The smoking ban ordinance is set to take effect March 3, but commissioners will vote on an ordinance that will postpone the ban until it goes to a public vote on April 7.
The city commission passed the smoking ban in a 3-2 vote early in December.
Immediately after the ban was passed, Emporians Open for Business, a group of local business owners opposed to the ban, began collecting signatures to force a referendum on the issue. In a little over a month, the group collected over 1,000 signatures to put the question on the April 7 ballot.
Commissioners discussed a possible postponement at their study session Wednesday morning after members of Emporians Open for Business asked for the date to be moved back to give the public a chance to vote.
Commissioners also discussed the development plan submitted by D.J. Christie, the developer who is working on bringing Lowe’s to Emporia.
Mary Carson, the city’s bond counsel, spent some time going over the major points of the plan that will create a transportation development district (TDD) on land northeast of 24th Avenue and Industrial Road.
The process, begun last August, is entering its final stages. The city commission next Wednesday will take public comments on the Lowe’s plan before deciding on the creation of the TDD and the acceptance or rejection of the final development plan.
For complete coverage, please see Thursday's print edition.
eatasheep69 (anonymous) says...
WTF! Why??? I have been so excited for this and now I have to wait longer?
(coughs)
February 12, 2009 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wyse_guy (anonymous) says...
So crack go croak and get it over with put us all out of your misery. Set up testing at all of these locations you keep whining about and get it over with. If the air is sooo bad have it tested and PROVE it. Like someone else said, put up or shut up about it. Put your money where your mouth is and have the air tested! Test, Test, Test come on let's see some Test results!!
February 12, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
If you don't like SHS, stay home and play Warcraft, Crack. Or should I call you.... Eldre'Thalas?
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/bg.php?...
:P
February 12, 2009 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
snowbird (anonymous) says...
It is clear that separation of smokers from non-smokers combined
with air exchange technology is a complete solution to this largely
artificial problem. All it takes is regulating authorities setting the
standards for indoor air quality on passive smoke, and the technology
does the rest. Such air quality standards are common in industrial
and environmental contexts. But, to date, no country in the world has
set them for smoking areas. It seems clear that the reasons are not
scientific, nor are they economic or technical: they are political.
As to the annoyance of smoking, a compromise between smokers and non-smokers
can be reached, through setting a quality standard and the use of modern
ventilation technology.
Air ventilation can easily create a comfortable environment that removes not
just passive smoke, but also and especially the potentially serious
contaminants that are independent from smoking.
Thomas Laprade
February 13, 2009 at 12:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Who will the first criminal charged with breaking this new law? Will it be a bar owner, bartender, customer?
Or will it be the local plumbing or heating company or the local motel owner? Will Walmart get charged under this ordinance when someone waits until they are 5 feet from the entrance to extinguish their butt? Does the city really want to deal with court cases & the costs involved for 30 some days only to have the ban overturned? Seems to me a couple of posters here are really eager to give up their rights ASAP.
Steve
February 13, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
I wonder if certain members of CAE are going to personally patrol the bars, ala Carrie Nation...
February 13, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
My question is this. If this "trial period" BS is allowed, and a person gets caught within those days, and then the smoking ban gets repealed, will they still be charged?
February 13, 2009 at 9:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Gee, according to cracks and other ban smoking proponents who advocate a trial phase, maybe we should just do away with all laws on the books and have a trial phase murder, assault, DUI, speeding, drug use and possession etc., and see how everyone likes it, trial phase, don't make me laugh.
A trial phase benefits noone or just certain people at best, just like a smoking ban.
February 13, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
crackinsack- I assure you I have not switched sides, my comment was meant to be as ridiculous as your and other ban smoking proponants statements of having a trial phase smoking ban. Me switch side, THAT WILL BE THE DAY H_LL FREEZES OVER, for sure.
February 13, 2009 at 1:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
As long as we're being repetitive, I'd like to re-hash this one:
"Picture this;
Afternoon bridge club at the club.
The ladies sipping on their wine and talking about family matters, you know, the usual stuff, college tuitions, the latest sales in Kansas City,cheating spouses, who's about to declare bankruptcy, bailing the kids out of jail for minor in possession, DUI, how could that Suzy wear last years Armani to the social, etc.
The discussions takes a sudden turn;
"You know we have done so well with our lives, we should help out all the cities poor un-washed masses."
"But how do we do that?" it is asked
"Let's get rid of all those nasty saloons on main street", is the reply.
"We can't do that, prohabition didn't work", stated as fact.
A few more gulps of Chablis and it hits them.
A Smoking ban!
Get Rid of the drinkers and smokers at the same time!
"Ok, Who do we get to ramrod this", it is asked.
"How about the new girl", unanimous chorus.
And so it begins another saga in the "Days Of Our Lives"
Oh, I love this one so much!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Steve!!!
February 13, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof,
Almost forgot that one, but it is probably how this whole thing started. You know I was thinking after reading the story on our cities tornado sirens not working about a great solution. Here it comes, are you ready?
Take the tax money from EDA &CAE and use it instead for something that has been proven to protect all Emporian's. New sirens! No One COULD BE AGAINST THEM
" BLOWING OFF"
steve
February 13, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
oh4theluvof:
Quick wash your hair, you've just been contaminated with SHC (second hand crack).
I served on a little task force that Teresa put together for a very short time. And I can guarantee you that she want's to close down as many bars as she can. This anti-smoking campaign was her jackpot.
Steve
February 13, 2009 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
EWWWWW!
Some people just don't follow well, do they Steve? There you go again, allocating money in a sensible way like a real person would. You know those people don't work that way.
I wonder if I have any prescription shampoos?
February 13, 2009 at 4:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Kansas needs statewide smoking ban
From The Winfield Daily Courier
winfieldcourier.com
A comprehensive statewide smoking ban makes sense for Kansas.
Prohibiting smoking in places where the public gathers would be fair and effective in promoting public health.
Those places should include restaurants, bars, motels and veterans organizations' gathering places.
Exceptions for private clubs - and, perhaps, casinos - may be necessary to limit legal action and keep Kansas competitive with neighboring states.
But the whole point of a smoking ban is to protect the public from the effects of second-hand smoke. Employees who work at these gathering places deserve that protection, too.
It is not too much to ask smokers to step outside to smoke - just like they do at their grandma's house. And when they smoke, they should be required to be at least 10 feet away from a building entrance.
Smoking bans don't kill anybody. Second-hand smoke does.
With all the respiratory illness, heart disease and diabetes we have in Kansas - and the cost of treating those problems - a statewide smoking ban makes sense for all of us.
-- Posted by Emporians for Common Sense
February 13, 2009 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Lackofsense, you're back!
Ok, so let me get this straight. When you post "facts" you don't cite any sources, but when you post an editorial opinion, you cite the source?
Whiskey Tango Fox?
February 13, 2009 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
AHH! Just figured it out! You're trying to pass opinion as facts! Man, I should have been a lot quicker on that one!
February 13, 2009 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Smoking ban improves health of bartenders
Scott Gottlieb, New York
www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/318/7...
JAMA 1998;280:1909-14
San Francisco bartenders had dramatic improvements in respiratory health within two months, after the implementation of California's ban on indoor smoking sharply reduced their exposure to secondhand smoke.
In a study examining 53 bartenders before and after the ban was implemented, Dr Mark Eisner and colleagues at the University of California at San Francisco found that 59% (23) of those bartenders reporting respiratory problems before the ban--including wheezing, shortness of breath, and morning coughing--were symptom free less than two months after the ban on indoor smoking began.
Prior to the ban, bartenders were exposed to a level of secondhand smoke estimated to be four to six times that found in other workplaces, and 74% (39) of the bartenders included in the survey had reported respiratory symptoms (JAMA 1998;280:1909-14).
February 13, 2009 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Maybe those people complaining shouldn't have been bartenders.
February 13, 2009 at 5:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
commonsenseemporia- Again the question needs to be asked.
Where is the proof, in the way of a certified death certificate, that states that anyones cause of death was due souly and explicitly to exposure to SHS.
All any reports on I have seen on SHS explicitely state that exposure to SHS, alone may or may not cause death in humans. Also all of these reports, that have any credance at all, also take into account what is called " CONFOUNDING" factors in any of their final conclusions.
Come on commonsenseemporia, more scare tactics by the ban smoking army !
February 13, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
That's the one thing I've noticed throughout this whole ordeal. Everything CAE has put out, whether it was the "War and Peace" ban proposal, or the argument against the "trial" period, or the two posts above between lackofsense and me. Everything they have put together is long, complicated, not well thought out. In my opinion, everything that EO4B has put together has been very clear, concise, short, simple, and effective.
February 13, 2009 at 5:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Come on commonsenseemporia, more scare tactics by the ban smoking army !
I prefer to call them the Schutzstaffel.
February 13, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Good point, Matt.
"It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, it's task is to lead to success."--Paul Joseph Goebbles, Minister of Propaganda, Nazi Germany
February 13, 2009 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
commonsenseemporia- Heres a question for you.
Are you the CAEs propoganda minister and where did you get your propoganda training, the Joseph Goebbels school of propoganda and scare tactics ?
February 13, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
how many of these so called studies were conducted at the Royal?
Steve
February 13, 2009 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Here's how the non-smoking conversation is going to go:
crack--"MY GOD Matt, put out that awful, dirty cigarette! I can't take it anymore, because I don't have the common sense to leave!"
Matt-- "Hey crack, want to see a magic trick? I'm going to make this pencil...disappear..."
February 13, 2009 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Lung Cancer
Of all the types of cancer, lung cancer is responsible for the most deaths in men and women. It is estimated that about 169,400 new cases of lung cancer and about 154,900 lung cancer deaths will have occurred in the United States in 2002.
Tobacco smoking is thought to be responsible for 8 out of 10 cases of lung cancer. Smoking greatly increases the risk of developing lung cancer because tobacco smoke contains carcinogens (substances that can cause cancer). Exposure to second-hand smoke from being around people who smoke also increases the risk of developing lung cancer.
An article in the January 15, 2003, issue of JAMA reports that a screening technique called helical computed tomography using computerized x-ray images is unlikely to be a cost-effective method for early detection of lung cancer in smokers. At this time, stopping smoking is the only proven method for reducing the risk of developing lung cancer.
Sharon Parmet; Cassio Lynm; Richard M. Glass; Lung Cancer
JAMA. 2003;289(3):380-.
--Posted by Emporians for Common Sense
February 13, 2009 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Hey Goebbels,
What does this have to do with SHS? Because that's what I thought this ban was about, was SHS, not smokers. Or is it really about smokers, and you just have to SAY its about SHS to get people to believe you. Now I'm confused, maybe you could clarify this for me.
February 13, 2009 at 10:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
I want to try something, because everytime the phrase common sense is used, Herr Goebbels posts something. I'm thinking this is an auto-script.
Here goes...
Common Sense.
February 13, 2009 at 10:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Respiratory Symptoms, Pulmonary Function, and Markers of Inflammation Among Bar Workers Before and After a Legislative Ban on Smoking in Public Places
The introduction of a Scottish ban on smoking in enclosed public places has led to a reduction in symptoms attributable to secondhand smoke exposure in bar workers and improved pulmonary function. In addition, there was a reduction in circulating inflammatory cells and serum cotinine levels. Employees with asthma also benefited from an improved quality of life, as well as reduced airway inflammation in terms of reduced FENO levels.
Daniel Menzies; Arun Nair; Peter A. Williamson; Stuart Schembri; Mudher Z. H. Al-Khairalla; Martyn Barnes; Tom C. Fardon; Lesley McFarlane; Gareth J. Magee; Brian J. Lipworth
Respiratory Symptoms, Pulmonary Function, and Markers of Inflammation Among Bar Workers Before and After a Legislative Ban on Smoking in Public Places
JAMA. 2006;296(14):1742-1748.
February 13, 2009 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
I knew it! Herr Goebbels is an auto-script! Observe!
Common Sense
February 13, 2009 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Yes?
February 13, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Herr Matt Slater ist ein arroganter Idiot who cares nicht um die Gesundheit seiner Mitarbeiter und Gönner, sondern nur über Futter seiner Tasche. Wird er in Ihrem Bett, wenn Sie sterben an Lungenkrebs?
--Geschrieben von Emporians für Common Sense
February 13, 2009 at 11:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Mr. Matt Slater is an arrogant idiot who cares not
about the health of its employees and patrons, but
only about lining his pocket. Is he in your bed, if
They die of lung cancer?
- Posted by Emporians for Common Sense
From facts to name calling? Not bad for an auto-script!
February 13, 2009 at 11:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsenseemporia (anonymous) says...
Close
February 13, 2009 at 11:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Close?
You went from "Respiratory Symptoms, Pulmonary Function, and Markers of Inflammation Among Bar Workers Before and After a Legislative Ban on Smoking in Public Places"
to
"Mr. Matt Slater is an arrogant idiot"
in two posts. That's not close, that's a dead-on bullseye.
February 13, 2009 at 11:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
josiesbar, Matt- the correct traslation of commonsenseemporia's phrase is,
Mr. Matt Slater is a haughty idiot who cares not around the health of his employees and Gönner, but only about feed of his pocket. Does he become in your bed if you die of lung cancer?
- Written by Emporians for Common scythe
February 13, 2009 at 11:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
By the way, you don't have to call me mister. From you, I think sir would be more appropriate. Thanks!
February 13, 2009 at 11:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Wow, Slater. Your knowledge of Hitler and German is impressive. Just how short is your hair?
Common Sense: I liked you better when you didn't stoop to EOB tactics.
February 13, 2009 at 11:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
That was to Goebbels, not Methusla, btw!
February 13, 2009 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
commonnonsenseemporia ist ein wahrer propoganda Minister des CAE und ist auch eine CAE Marionette.
February 13, 2009 at 11:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
I see Meth is still under the impression that someone gives a crap about his crap.
February 13, 2009 at 11:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
И irishemporia - также марионетка автоматизированного конструирования, без любой способности рассудить или думать на его/ее собственном!
February 13, 2009 at 11:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
"Your knowledge of Hitler and German is impressive."
I don't know German, I just copy and pasted it into the Google Translator.
Just how short is your hair?
Let's just say its AR 670-1 short... :D
February 13, 2009 at 11:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
There you have it, folks. Not only learn about the true Mr, Slater, but we learn about Meth, too.
Hey Meth. You gotta get out of the house more. Communism is dead.
February 13, 2009 at 11:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
irishemporia-ある球がある、言誰か他の人はあなたがであるがらくた言う、方法でなければならない私は知り、が何でもについて推測することができるすべて時、がらくたを示しているアイルランド人はそうである。
February 13, 2009 at 11:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
What truth me did you learn about, Irish?
That I don't know German, or my haircut is within U.S. Army regulations?
HEY EVERYBODY! I don't know German, and my haircut is withing U.S. Army regulations!!!
Anything else you want to know, just ask!
February 13, 2009 at 11:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Whats the matter irishemporia, jealous, because you only speak and understand one language, " STUPIDITY " !
February 13, 2009 at 11:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Better keep quiet then Slater. The. Army I served in has a Don't ask, Don't tell policy about your kind, too.
February 13, 2009 at 11:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Wow!
I think we've finally reached the end of this! They have finally run out of (semi) intelligent things to say, and have resorted to personal attacks. So Irish... You have insinuated I am gay, and you have insinuated I am a Nazi. I really don't think the two really tie in well to one another. Or am I correct in that you have just run out of intelligent things to say?
February 14, 2009 at 12:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
嘿irishemporia什麼陸軍是您，愛爾蘭共和黨恐怖分子陸軍？
February 14, 2009 at 12:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Well, I apologize to you, Matt. I never meant to imply that you were gay. Honestly, I don't really care what your sexual preference is. That is your business. I am concerned that you can so easily compare anyone -- even CAE -- to Hitler. My Jewish friends do not find that amusing.
You are right that we have reached the end of this. I've let the personal attacks get under my skin and have stooped to a level I told myself I would avoid. My apologies to you, my friend.
Do me one favor...let me know if Meth should ever say anything relevant.
February 14, 2009 at 12:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
I've stated this before. I don't compare CAE to Hitler himself. I compare CAE's smoking ban tactics to the tactics the Nazis used to promote their own smoking because they are an almost perfect match. Your Jewish friends should not find that amusing at all, because it is not amusing at all. In fact, to me, its very, very scary.
February 14, 2009 at 12:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
It has been my experience that it is hard to think of Nazism without thinking of Hitler. The two go together like beer and cigarettes (sorry but I could not resist that).
have a good evening.
February 14, 2009 at 12:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Don't you mean Gute Nacht? ;)
February 14, 2009 at 12:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
Exactly!
February 14, 2009 at 12:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Hows this for relevance irish. You are irrelevant !
February 14, 2009 at 8:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Oh and irish you did not have to stoop to making personal attacks, you were already there and I might say, lower than some !
February 14, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisterO (anonymous) says...
irishemporia posted, "I am concerned that you can so easily compare anyone -- even CAE -- to Hitler. My Jewish friends do not find that amusing."
You are not a very good friend if you are exploiting their experiences to further your own agendas.
If your Jewish friends are so offended, have them come on here and speak up for themselves. I'd bet they would be very interested to know how you are using and exploiting them.
I posted before and I will do so again, if your Jewish friends are offended by these comparisons, please tell them to get over it. What they should be offended about is that Hitler's and Goebbels' philosophies are alive and well in America and their tactics are used by so many groups like CAE to get their agendas passed into law.
February 14, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MisterO (anonymous) says...
Commercial from the 1980's:
Setting: Grandfather and grandson are fishing in a boat.
Grandson: "Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was "prejudiced."
Grandfather: "Er, do you know what "prejudiced" is?"
"No."
"Well, "prejudiced" is when you react to someone because of their religion or their culture."
"But I don't do thaaat."
"Who is Jimmy?"
"Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends!"
"Well then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as one of your Jewish friends, and not your "friend."
Just sayin'
February 14, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Is commonsense a paid political hack working cracks shift when they are gone? You notice when crack leaves us on the weekends, common sense comes to the rescue.
It has been 2 days since the start of the boycott against my bar and the results are mixed. Sales have remained about the same, BUT ..............
Last night I had 5 non-smokers & 1smoker donate $382.00 for our advertising campaign against this ban. Didn't solicit any of them they just walked up and dropped the money on the table and said let us help.
A BIG THANKS TO ALL.
Steve
February 14, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
irishemporia posted
"Communism is dead."
I beg to differ. The communist party is doing quite well, in this country in fact. They use a different name of course to sound more friendly and get more support. They are very good about playing word games like that. One of their leaders said "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –B*ll Cl*nt*n and "It depends on how you define alone…" –B*ll Cl*nt*n. Now their leadership is trying to pass a huge bill chalk full of pork but say it's not really pork. They are clever with the words those communists. Some call it spreading the wealth, I call it socialism.
PS
I've obscured the name of the person I quoted so no one gets offended. In case anyone has any intern friends.
February 14, 2009 at 9:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
Holy cow! This board was active last night. I woke up to read something I never thought I would see. Lack of sense not only responded to someone, but they resorted to personal attacks as well! Wonder if Teresa knows her lacky stooped so low as to talk to a low life smoker......
February 14, 2009 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
did anyone notice the timeline last night when a poster @11:41 told commonsense they liked them better when they didn't stoop down to EOB use of insults.
Wham
@11:57 made an inference that another poster was gay.
I would like everyone on here to respond and tell me their answer to this yes/no question.
Would any of us be on here hurling these insults and accusations if CAE hadn't tried to change the existing city smoking ordinance?
Steve
February 14, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Ummm....NO!!!!!!!! We would not, in fact be here doing this. I might not even be on the forums at all if not for this.
February 14, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
No, of course not.
February 14, 2009 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Hey, good job on the breaking down of crapsense, Matt. That military training has done you well! : )
MisterO, I also appreciated your remarks. Those "pro-Semitic" comments haven't set well with me either, but I haven't been able to pinpoint why. You nailed it!!! This never had anything to do with races or religions and, besides, I thought it was important that we all knew that the Holocaust was real and know how it came into being so it would never happen again--to anyone. irish's statements were oxymorons..................
And as to communism being dead!! A myth. Have we forgotten about a big chunk of Asia that we call China? Communism is pretty big over there as well as North Korea and just a bit off of Florida in Cuba (to name a few). To say any form of government is dead is a very naive statement--all of them are still alive, although some are more dormant than others, waiting for the conditions to be right to sprout up again. But certainly, none that are currently claimed can be listed even as dormant.
February 14, 2009 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Ohh, NOW you all show up! Where were you all at last night when I was showing that the CAE people had run out of legitimate arguments?
The main reason I'm mad is...One person shouldn't have that much fun all to themselves... ;)
February 14, 2009 at 9:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Well it's good to see they didn't scare you off last night.
Just think how nasty it could have been if fred crack phelps would have been there.
February 14, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
I will say this. At least Irish had the decency to apologize. I thank you for that, Irish, and apology accepted.
Herr Goebbels, on the other hand, just left with his head down and tail between his legs.
February 14, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
LOL Commonsenseemporia = CAE fail.
February 14, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
Technically, Matt, I was IMing you, but you never told me what was going on over here. You could have told me, you know. You wanted it all for yourself. : )
February 14, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pingeon (anonymous) says...
Matt - sorry I missed it. I was up posting on the Wichita paper's board. Should have checked back in.
Still can believe you got her to respond...... :)
February 14, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Matt, I was there with you last night. Until irish and his irrelevant drivel and nonsence put me to sleep !
Steve, No, none of us would be on this forum, infact this particular forum, most likely would not even exist, if it were not for Ms. Walters and her ban smoking Sturmpolizisten starting this whole mess.
February 14, 2009 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Did anyone notice how irishemporia, seemed to be familiar with some of the languages of some of the countrys that were and possibly still have a primarily communist govt. in disguise !
Just because someone may be able to speak or understand another peoples language does not make them a believer in that particular peoples, countrys political ideals
February 14, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
Just to let all the ban smoking opponents know. I am with you in this fight for our liberty, freedoms, civil liberties and personal rights to the end. No matter what the outcome maybe ! " My opponents may try to sway me with false and twisted words, try and humiliate me, insult me, belittle me and degrade me, but they will not destroy my belief in what is right, fair, just and what is absolutely wrong with this unnecessarily harsh ban".
February 14, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
I speak English and live in Emporia and my government is "a primarily communist govt. in disguise !".
"Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society, and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society. Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCS...
"spread the wealth" sound familiar?
"As a political ideology, communism is usually considered to be a branch of socialism; a broad group of economic and political philosophies that draw on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution."
Communism is dead? I think not.
February 14, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
goodoleboy (anonymous) says...
If Bill Clinton was a socialist, then so is Bush, hell a lot of Presidents are socialists, if you going to start painting parties as socialists then call it as it is and not just how you see it.
February 14, 2009 at 2:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...
We've already talked about this and yes I believe that what was wrong with the last 8 years was that the "right wing" was acting like the left in some very big ways. So I fail to see the logic in continuing in the direction that is the problem.
Maybe Bobby Jindal can bring the Republican party back to their core values when he is elected President in 2012. Hey a guy can dream, right?
Bobby Jindal 2012!!!!!!!!!!!
February 14, 2009 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
I missed something, Steve. Why are people boycotting your bar (in theory)?
February 14, 2009 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...
irish:
I'm not Steve, but I can answer this: because the CAE declared war on local business owners and there are two sides to every war.
For a look at the reasoning of certain posters, look at the "The Wrong Road" story forum where someone who is always a victim of others' actions felt wronged upon learning that Steve is, in fact, personally offended that his business is under attack, including by that poster. That poster then threw a fit and declared a boycott. A second poster jumped on the "ban wagon" and there you have it.
February 14, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
My favorite part of that is the people who are boycotting Steve's business don't go to Steve's business in the first place.
How dumb is that?
February 14, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Irishemporia,
I had finally had enough of ole crackys nonsense and told them if I knew who they were I would "BAN" them from my bar. Told them what I thought and they decided to "Boycott the bar". Then enry8 decided to join in, because "I forgot who pays the bills", the customers. What they BOTH forgot was ,so far the customers I have now are paying the bills, and it is MY decision, so far, on whether I want to run them off to get new and better non-smoking customers. If all non-smokers boycotted all smoking bars, there would be no need for this ban. When crack gets back tomorrow you can talk to her about it.
Steve
February 15, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
While I support the ban, I think this whole discussion has gotten far to personal (yes, I am equally as guilty and am ashamed of my behavior the other night). I've said it before, smoking or not, I admire anyone who is willing to run a business, especially a bar. If the ban passes, I'll be a regular in both your's and Matt's bars. Not because I want to "rub it in your faces," but because I want to support your businesses as I promised. If it doesn't pass, I won't be stopping by -- not because of any boycott, but because i want to limit my exposure to SHS.
Whatever happens, I hope you have a long and profitable business life.
February 15, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
josiesbar (anonymous) says...
Steve,
Let me get this straight. Not only were they going to boycott a business that they never go to, they were going to boycott a business they never go to that they are banned from. Does that sound right?
February 15, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Irish;
Hence there is no need for this ban!
You and some others feel that SHS exposure is unhealthy or irritating to yourselves. By exercising your CHOICE to avoid my business, you are in effect, boycotting it. That is fine with me, it is your right, and most of all it is your CHOICE!
Others feel that the health issue is not proven and the SHS doesn't bother them. By coming into my business they are giving me my niche market. That is fine with me, it is their right, and most of all their CHOICE!
Both sides have a CHOICE now.
After the ban they won't
Why is that so hard to see?
If I thought a non-smoking bar was the right niche market for me, I would have already done that, by my CHOICE!
Steve
February 15, 2009 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irishemporia (anonymous) says...
However you look at it, I don't consider my choice to stay clear of any smoking-allowed bar a boycott to support anyone's cause. It's simply a personal choice.
February 15, 2009 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
I absolutely do not understand irishemporias logic in his last post. " If the ban passes, I'll be a regular in both your's and Matt's bars ". Where does he as an SHS and smoker hater, go now, by his own CHOICE.
And that is really good news for the bars that used to allow smoking, who may lose 5, 10, 20 or more regular customers.
I suppose that those bars should be happy as a pig in a waller that they are going to gain 1 regular customer , maybe, after losing possibly 5, 10, 20 or more of their regular customers. Really makes dollars and " sense" to me.
February 15, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
irish; I was not implying that you were boycotting for a certain cause. You have made the personal Decision not to enter a business that allows smoking. And I stand behind your right to do that. I have made the business decision,(so far) to allow the use of a legal product in my bar, as it is my right to do that.
Beginning March third, I will no longer have that right, and neither will my niche customers.
Until the air quality in my business is proved to be toxic under governmental levels, or the sale of cigarettes is illegal, THIS ban takes away the rights of a certain group of citizens for the convienience of another group of people. That is discrimination and that is not the American Way.
Steve
February 15, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
You know If you go back and look at all the estimated deaths caused by smoking, and shs over the last 10 years in all those studies, shouldn't the population of the U.S. be about 100 million people now? :(
February 15, 2009 at 8:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
Hey Pingeon,
If you have time would you consider e-mails to our commissioners? I know you're down south now but I'm sure at least a couple of them know you and would at least listen to your thoughts. It could help us out before their Wed. night meeting.
Steve
February 15, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
Moving to a forum:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/...
February 16, 2009 at 7:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...
posted earlier by crakinsack;
"Even if the ban does get voted down, at least we’ll have had the chance to stick it to the smokers for a month. That ought to knock ‘em down a peg. Just kidding!"
February 16, 2009 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )