A bad column
Julius Cohen, Emporia
Originally published 10:10 a.m., July 5, 2008
Updated 10:10 a.m., July 5, 2008
FOR ITS DISTORTION and one-sidedness, Dan Tomasson’s column in the June 24 Gazette merits an emphatic retort.
Discussions between Obama and McCain in February on campaign funding were provisional on both sides since neither candidate could predict his future source of funds. As Obama began pulling ahead in finances, McCain wavered back and forth on his alternatives. To equalize the playing field, McCain now righteously claims foul because he has no option but to accept public financing while Obama with his massive public contributions stands to raise three times the funding than does McCain. In short, there was no firm, definitive agreement to begin with. But what does Tomasson tell his readers? In an attempt to villainize Obama as duplicitous and not true to his word, Tomasson contrasts the angelic McCain as entirely clean, correct and straight on the matter. What a colossal ruse!!
In their unrelenting quest for power, how much can we believe anything the Republicans say, given their appallingly evasive and devious record of the last eight years — especially now with recent disclosures regarding the corrupt use of grossly politicized discrimination, an illegal offense, in the hiring of Justice Department attorney applicants? Is there no shame in Republican ranks, no level to which they will not descend to dupe the public into supporting them? Certainly we can anticipate an avalanche of sleaze and mud from McCain’s 257 supporters spewing their venom while McCain looks on in innocence, as did Bush. This, Tomasson casually shrugs off.
Julius Cohen
Emporia
create (anonymous) says...
"You can't just lie to people and expect them to support you." You mean like that jet landing on the carrier, and that sign on deck that said, "Mission Accomplished"?
July 5, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jibberish66 (anonymous) says...
I've got news for all of you. Obama will be elected and all of our taxes will go up. That will help us on the price of gas, won't it? He and his Democrat-led Congress will push through legislation that will make the Clinton Administration look like the Reagan Years. They will appoint judges that will not care what the Constitution says, but what Soros says. Our standing in the War Against Terrorists will crumble as we're being laughed at and ridiculed worldwide for being weak-willed and cowardly. All of you that look at Obama as the second coming of Camelot will be surprised to find out that he more closely resembles the peanut farmer.
Is he a liar? Sure, he's a politician. Where have you all been?
Birds fly, wind blows, rain falls, and politicians lie. And you all think Barry Obama's different. Must be because he's a closet white Kansan, I guess. He can't be all bad, right?
July 5, 2008 at 6:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawker (anonymous) says...
The problem for Obama on this whole public finance matter is that it exposed him for what he is, and that is that he is just a politician, making decision based upon political gain, just like all of the others. The reason that this is such a problem for him is that, with media help, he has acquired rock star status (complete with women fainting at his rallies), maybe even Messiah status because he is the agent for CHANGE. Decisions like this point out that he is no different than the others, and that is not change. Rev. Wright said it best when asked how he felt when Obama threw him under the bus after 20 years of association, "Barak is just a politician." Women were not fainting for just a politician.
July 5, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bjnemp (anonymous) says...
If you think gasoline is expensive now, and that you pay too much in taxes now, wait and see what will happen if Obama and his mama get elected. Also kiss your constitutional rights, such as those granted in the 2nd Amendment, goodbye when liberal left-wing socialism becomes the law of the land under slick Barack and his do-nothing Democrat congress. America is at a critical crossroad. I hope voters pick the right path, as opposed to the left path.
July 5, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MerkyWater (anonymous) says...
Your taxes will actually go down if Obama is elected and he will be. Things will get done finally in this country. Everyone will have a job. Everyone will have health care and plenty of food. Left wing socialism is good for America, contrary to what you right wing Fascists say. You cannot live the future on your own. We all need to face the future together. Vote Obama this November.
July 6, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bjnemp (anonymous) says...
Merkywater: You need to read a newspaper or watch one of your buddy Obama's speeches on TV. He has said repeatedly and consistently that he intends to raise taxes drastically if elected. And you must be a communist, socialist, or hopelessly insane to actually believe "Everyone will have a job. Everyone will have health care and pleny of food. Left wing socialism is good for America." In this nation, if you want a job, healthcare, and plenty of food, you get off your lazy butt and go to work, not rob from the successful to support the millions of fourth generation welfare families who do nothing and expect everything. People with backbone and work ethic have no problem living "the future on your own" as long as some socialist left-wing liberal nut job is not bleeding them dry with excessive taxation.
July 6, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MerkyWater (anonymous) says...
Although I do not have a job, I am sure that I can get one if Obama is elected. I do live on food stamps right now but that is because of the war in Iraq that George W. Bush has caused. He has spent all of the money that should have been spent on getting folks like myself trained for future jobs. You just can't spend your money on a war like that, that there is no hope of ever winning and still have money left for the necessities of life, like training folks here to do meaningful work. So please everyone, and Mr. Bjnemp, go out of your way to get to the polls in November and vote for Obama.
July 6, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
Come on, people, lets stop being mean to MerkyWater. He is telling us what we, like, need to know. Bush and the Repubs are so yesterday. Obama is the future, and that is so good. Bush like totally overreacted to everything. It is to bad about people getting killed on 9-11 but war is never the way to go. That was 7 years ago. Its time to forget it. Obama will get us out of war and would never, never, get us in to a war no matter what. He can get along with every person on our planet since he had a muslim father and stepfather but is a christian, so every body can be happy. He is not one of those nutty christians, either. He would take the money from all of those rich capitalists and give it to us, who really really need it. Some people wont like this but he is right that it is good for gas to be high because we have global warming. Those repubs say that, like, if gas is to hi that the econmy will be bad but dont they get it? Barack will get the money to us by taking it from the rich so they are wrong about the econmy going bad because we will have plenty of money. And the rest of the world will love us for a change. Dont you want that? Just come to Obama and trust the problems to him.
July 6, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wyse_guy (anonymous) says...
Murky water maybe he will let you pick his watermelon instead of you getting a free ride.You sound like you have been hiding back in a corner waiting for this day.Every movie I have ever seen everytime we have a black president the world is coming to an end.Obama Osama hmmm sound like father and son.
July 6, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Time to forget 9-11?????????? Sarahforbarack, it is people like you and Merkywater who ultimately will be responsible for the complete collapse of our country, if that should ever happen. You can never forget 9-11, just like you can never forget Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust. You must remember the lessons learned from those experiences.
Like, if gas is high, like the economy tanks, like because our economy at the moment like runs on gas. If the economy tanks, like Obama will not be able to take money from people who work to give it to people who don't because like, they won't have any to take.
July 6, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
Oh, wow, people why are we so mean hear? Lets have peace instead of like screaming, o.k.? 9-11 was like so long ago its history now. Yes, we can study it in history or whatever, just like other stuff, only we can teach how Bush and Chainy went like beserk and tore us up! Come on, people, you need to like start realizing how you have like messed everything up. The Repubs have been in power since like befor dirt so lets wake up and get everthing straight with Obama and the Democrats so they can clean up everthing. It is stupid to be fighting over some thing that is just history now and Barack knows that and will put a stop to it like before it is to late. Wake Up!!!
July 6, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Sarah, how old are you?
July 6, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
Look, people, Obama knows what to do. You people r so like uniformed on this cite. It takes a lot to like face up to how it is time to vote for Obama and try some socialist stuff, only dont call it that because everbody like thinks its bad but it isnt. Its a lot better than the reactcionary stuff that the repubs want. Yes, lets forget 9-11 and get back on track. I no most of us that came to Obama wont be as honest as I am and they may be like mad at me for being so honest about it but it is like time that we get real. It is time that we made the rich people pay and then everthing will be good. We wont need gas or coal or nukes because we can get something green if we would just like give Obama a chance. That is all that we like need to do - give him a chance and we will never, ever want to go back to the Repubs. U will see.
July 6, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
I am old enough to vote and to see how like it is time to get things fixed b4 it is to late.
July 6, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Inform me then Sarah. What other "stuff" did you learn in ancient history? We won't need gas or coal or nukes, because we "can get something green", that being what? In the meantime, even if your knight in shining armor Obama is elected, the world still runs on coal, nukes and gas. As it is, the price of energy is squeezing the hell out of business, and Sarah, business is where all this money is going to come from for the "share the wealth" plan you want Obama to embark on.
I give you high marks for honesty, you are telling the truth when you call these policies socialist. I just hope Obama and his campaign are as honest as you are.
July 6, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MerkyWater (anonymous) says...
Sarah is right. The rest of you are wrong. Obama will straighten out everything that is wrong with America. We will have good jobs. We will have plenty of food and shelter and free medicine. That free medicine is important to me as I have very high medical bills and they really haven't figured out what is wrong with me yet. I go to the Dr. almost every week and he is getting cranky with me. I will be glad when the government picks up my medical bills. I plan to switch Drs. then. And like Sarah said who really cares about the past. We are in the present and heading for the future, not the past. All of that stuff that happened in the past is past. If you want a President who looks into the past then go ahead and vote for McCain but if you want a future looking president then vote for McCain. Everything will be free in the future. Things will get so cheap that we won't have to work.
July 6, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
MerkyWater, thanks for being nice. I only think you may be wrong about like 1 thing. We may still need to work, butt Barack can make it so that we get pad based on what we need so that a janitor can get pad more than the head dude at where he works if the janitor needs more and Barack would get women pad even more to make up 4 how women have been pad like they were slaves or somthing. U r right on w/ everthing else. alfalfa dont you c how if we did it that way that everthing would be good? It might take a couple months or even 1 yr to get stuff going but it would be like worth it. U r wrong about still needing oil and stuff if we got somthing green going and Obama can get it going the day after he is elected. I am so happy. Help out please people.
July 6, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Well, Obama has my vote then. If things are going to get so cheap no one even has to work, the man is truly amazing. Sarah and Merky, please tell me you are pulling my chain and really don't believe what you are saying. I don't know if I will be able to sleep knowing there are people who can vote who honestly believe "things will get so cheap that we won't have to work" and we should all forget about 9-11.
July 6, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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July 6, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
If Obama is elected, everyone will be able to spell correctly,because there will be no incorrect spelling. Close will be good enough. Vote for Obama people, because I am tired of working and want the rich to pay me what I am worth for doing nothing. Look forward not back. Republican=bad, Democrat=good, Obama=very very good.
Up aways someone posted old slick Willy said he didn't have sex with that woman. I remember him saying "I did not have inappropriate sexual contact" with that woman, which could in his mind be the truth, because he felt it was entirely appropriate. I think it is safe to say about the only person we can be absolutely certain Bill has not had sex with is Hillary, at least not for a good many years.
July 6, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
esu42 (anonymous) says...
We can make educated guesses, but in the end, we won't truly know how a candidate will perform until he or she is put up to the task- and, obviously, no one candidate can please everyone. I think all this vitriol is premature, and we must keep in mind that we will never have all the facts.
Some of my friends are die-hard conservatives, some are equally vehement liberals, and some are in the middle. The important thing is not our politics, but the fact that we all get along in the end.
July 6, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wyse_guy (anonymous) says...
Well mudpuddle you and sarah vote for him aleast he will get 2 votes.If he gets in office it will be black tuesday{doomsday].We will all sink and live off of welfare and stealing.
If this guy can do away with welfare and srs and put thses lazy bums to work and get them off the systen l"ll vote for him.
July 6, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Whoever gets elected, their work is going to be completely uphill. Neither party seems to have a real grip, in my opinion, on just how serious our economic troubles are. If they do they are doing a great job of hiding it. Prices for every single thing we buy and use are going up, I cannot see incomes going up to match. Cheap interest has been the hope to stimulate the economy, yet in the past interest rates were raised to stave off inflation. It appears now that pushing rates up to curb inflation will only make things worse.
I think as Americans we better prepare ourselves to make some major sacrifices in the form of higher taxes and fewer programs and benefits if we want our country to get through this. I don't think either party can avoid that.
We need to remember we are electing more than just a President this fall, and each person we vote for will have an impact on our future, not just the President.
July 6, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
I AM going to school. I am a poly sci major. How do you think I got to no all this stuff anyways? At lest their r good profs and grad taechers that r smart enough to no that Barack is going to help us. I admit that spelling is hard for me, but who cares about that when I am trying to educate you people? If I took the time to get everthing spelled right I would never get any thing writen and this is to important to wast time on that. Please, please look into this. Its way to important not to. If u do, u will see what I am talking about and u 2 will come to Barack. PLEASE. Our future depends on it.
July 6, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawker (anonymous) says...
MerkyWater and sarah4barack are (hopefully) pulling our legs. The concern is how close they are to accurately stating Obama's positions.
July 6, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bjnemp (anonymous) says...
I never thought I would live long enough to hear Americans make comments like I just read from Merkywater and Sarah4barack. Is this what we have come to? Punish those who worked hard to get a good education, start and build a business, provide thousands of jobs for people, and pay the vast majority of taxes, by taxing them even more in order to subsidize those too lazy or stupid to get an education and good job? Lord help us if Obama is elected.
Sarah4barack: As for those despicable "rich capitalists" you want to take all the money from and give it to the poor: who do you think provides all the jobs in this nation? And are you aware that the top 5% of income earners in this nation pay 70% of the income taxes? 30% of Americans don't pay a dime in taxes. How about we start heavily taxing them---people like you and Merkywad---instead of those already paying more than their share and who provide the jobs you and Merky can't qualify for. And what in the world could possibly make you think a janitor should earn more money than his employer? What Communist propaganda have you been reading?
If there are others out there as misinformed and ignorant as Sarah and Merky, our nation is in BIG trouble.
July 6, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawker (anonymous) says...
Obviously, editor is not the Real Editor of the Gazette. If he were, he would be encouraging sarah4barack since her contributions are in line with his editorials.
July 6, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MerkyWater (anonymous) says...
Bjnemp, I am sure that you make too much money for the work that you do. You only need so much money to get along in this world. Obama will see that individuals with whom misfortune has beset utilize your excess funds. You should feel good that you are helping one or more less fortunate folks than yourself, live a much happier life than they would without your funding. Obama is just assuring that everyone gets his or her fair share of the American Dream. OK so it is Socialist. What makes any difference about that? People need to depend on each other. Obama will assure that this happens. He will fix all of our needs and those he can't fix he will rig so that we can fix them ourselves. There won't be any rich people any more. There won't be any poor people any more. There will only be middle class people. If you want to work you will pay taxes and if you choose not to work then you will get a share of those that do work. It's pretty simple and I am surprised that more of you than Sarah can't see the light. Vote for Obama and give him a chance to prove that it will work.
July 6, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
How can you people b so blinde? Bush & Chainy have mad sure that there rich capitalist freinds dont pay any texas so that they get richer & richer and we pay everthing for them. The rich capitalist r a leech on the rest of us and Barack has had enough of it and will tax them so the rest of us can get our fair share for a change sense they can aford to pay so that we can get stuff evened out for ones. May b now the rest of us can have neat stuff, 2. Barack will get the country stritened out and, yes, for onse give socialism a chance. How can any one say that socialism is bad when it has never been treed in this country? Ever thing else has favored the rich capitalist, so lets try this, and let me tell you even though Barack will probably not tell you that its socialism because it sounds bad it is but that is not bad like the repubs try to get ever body to think. Real socialism is very good for ever body butt the rich capitalist who for onse will have to pay. Please, people, this is very important. We must get Obama elected this year! Please, just give him a chance.
July 6, 2008 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawker (anonymous) says...
editor, did you get enough ideas to write a month's worth of editorials?
July 6, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
I think Merky is yanking our chains, either Merky is one of the most gifted of practical jokers, or simply one of the most scary posters ever. Come clean Merky, your last post makes me think you are tongue in cheek. I am prepared to crown you King(or Queen) of satire, just let us know you don't really believe all that, so we can sleep tonight feeling secure in the IQ of forum users.
July 6, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kansan (anonymous) says...
Honestly, when reading Sarah4barack's comments, I think the writer is making fun of Barack supporters. Sarah, are you being facetious? Because your writing style sure makes it look that way.
July 6, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawker (anonymous) says...
I'm pretty sure that they are both pulling our chains because no one, who is truly for Obama, would be that honest about his real agenda. It is amazing how close they both are to the true Obama.
July 6, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kansan (anonymous) says...
And, may I ask what is your "fair share?" Why are you entitled to anything?
July 6, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
I do really like the idea of working only if you feel like it, and if you don't just living off of those who do. Where do I sign up to be one that lives off those who "feel like working". To me, a society that has "work if you feel like it" as an option is way ahead of its time. Count me in.
July 6, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rcakmon (anonymous) says...
The negativity of these posts is depressing. It would be nice for someone to post what they like about the candidate they favor, rather than spend all their time running the other man down and calling names like kids on a playground. I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from Emporians. Too may of you are down on the city, down on your leaders, down on just about everything. I hope at some point that will change.
July 6, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MerkyWater (anonymous) says...
rcakmon, I have tried to be positive for the most part about my candidate. I have said few ill things about Mr. McCain. I have called some of the folks here names that they deserve to be called. I think you must just be one of those chronically depressed souls that could use a good shot of Obama love and understanding. You see, there will be very little depression after Obama is elected. It's not that I am from Emporia that makes me want to see Obama succeed. It is that I am from the USA that I want to see him succeed. Perhaps you work to hard right now. After the election you won't have to if you don't wish to. Someone will want to and they will be on the same team that you are on. They will carry you until you are ready to go to work. I think alfalfa is beginning to see the light of Obama just a little bit. He is coming around and so can you. Please do not be depressed. Vote for Obama in November.
July 6, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fabio (anonymous) says...
Face it, freedom failed! Does everyone not see the course this country is on? We are crashing FAST! But its okay, because Obama has for the first time in my life, made me believe there is a god and he has givin us Obama in our most desperate hour. He is still young too, which gives us 8 years to pass a new amendment so he can be our president for decades until he dies, and after his first 8 years no American with any intelligence would dare challenge him being president until death. Think about it, no more foolish yard signs or commercials or fake politicians. No more cheesy John Wayne or Rambo propaganda flicks on TV. A better America for the whole world!
July 6, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
fabio (anonymous) says...
Id like to clarify that I love both John Wayne and Rambo, for they are both my brothers and were very talented. But thier time has passed. They are relics of a once proud, but forgotten era and their way of thinking cannot save us from the crisis we face today. With Obama we have the potential to be the most popular country, perhaps in the world! BELIEVE
July 6, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
alfalfa (anonymous) says...
Alright Merky and Fabio, you have brought a huge smile to my face. This is a classic thread now!!
July 6, 2008 at 11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
sarah4barack (anonymous) says...
Please, people, I can tell that some of u are still clinging to your guns and religon and r still thinking like country folk (not that I have anything aginst country folk, its just that they are like not very smart somtimes). I lerned in poly sci that capitalism like makes people slaves and stuff and if u would put down your bibles long enough to think about it it is true. Barack was the first ever to see that is why people cling to guns and bibles because they are slaves and like he will sign a emancipation procclamation on the first day after he is elected in December freeing us from capitalism slavery by making the rich help us for a change and then people will put down the guns and the bibles and like be freinds with everyone sense we wont need guns or religon like ever again. We can make all those tv preachers like realtors or something. Please, people, this is important - vote for Obama b4 it is to late!!
July 7, 2008 at 12:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
commonsensebound (anonymous) says...
MerkyWater and Sarah. First of all MerkyWater get off your butt and work. I will admit some of the jobs that are posted you may feel are beneith you but guess what it will still help pay the bills. There are jobs out there for people who want to work and are not afraid to work. It is folks like you that are sending our jobs else where, where people are not afraid to put in a good days work. You are so dilutional if you think the politicians are not wealthy. Care to look at Kennedy for one. And maybe your right cut all the politicians pay at least in half since they all have law practices for the most part. As for the Presidential pay they will do well with only say 50k a year. I mean look at all the benefits they get, free health care for them and their family, free food, housing, transportation and personal security. The rest of the money will be better used elsewhere.
As for Sarah you poor misguided soul. Will you please if you have a job turn ALL of your money over to someone who does not since you do not believe that we need religion and ALL of your money has "In God we trust" on it. You will probably one of the ones stating like the mayor of New Oleans why did God let this happen to me if something drastic ever happens. Well I can not say as I blame him although he did not allow it to happen he gave the people free will to make their own decisions. If we do go to a depression there will be very few folks that will make it. You had better know how to work hard and live on very little money if any. True country folk will survive and where will you be Sarah?
I wish that it was required for all people to spend a large amount of time with people who lived through the depression and other eras of history Unfortunatly what is taught by the books has been rewritten to suit someones needs at the time and is not necessarily the truth.
I wish that we as a country would get this excited about every election, but we don't. It is not just the Presidential election that makes a difference, it is ALL of them.
People need to use common sense when listening to or reading things in the media. But someone once told me that common sense is not so common any more. What a shame.
July 7, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
Dear sarah4Barack and other forum posters:
Please accept my apologies for comments left over the weekend by a person or persons using the names "editor" and "gazette_editor."
These users are in no way connected with The Gazette, and I apologize that their comments stayed up as long as they did.
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July 7, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bjnemp (anonymous) says...
I'm beginning to think Merky and Sarah may not be so stupid after all. To the contrary, "they" may be one in the same and may be pretty darn smart. I suspect we are being played like a fiddle and having our legs pulled like taffy.
July 7, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
glarson (anonymous) says...
Sorry, folks. My last post made this thread hit 50. Time to close it and move to:
http://www.emporiagazette.com/forums/...
July 7, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )