seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

crack
I do think about the children and I also have enough brain capacity to keep my children away from shs. I don't need a ban to think for me or anyone else. Contrary to your belief the citizens of Emporia are aware of the dangers of shs and can decide for themselves how to handle the situation. You are not bringing shocking new evidence to the table. You are not enlightening all us dummies. The current laws(pre ban) have already adressed the dangers of smoking and do a superb job of protecting the people from shs. The ban goes too far. The health issue isn't even your concern. From your other posts it's obvious your real concern is your self. You want to go into a bar and drink but are unwilling to put up with the smoke. Petty and selfish, if you ask me(I now you didn't ask but freedom of speach and all that). So you can come down from your soapbox brother because your motives have been evident.

PS
crack
I'll let you know when I'm done working on that beer flavored juice.

December 17, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MisterO (anonymous) says...

"...EOB is just fighting for the “right” to operate unsafe businesses. That’s it. "..

Lie.

"...They aren’t interested in the “rights of the people”...

Lie.

"...They just want to make money and not be held responsible for any harm done to their customers as a result of the toxic air quality on their property..."

Lie.

"...Why should we allow these places to endanger their customers?.."

Because the customers and employees are grown adults capable of making their own decisions.

"...The ban doesn’t take away any rights;..."

Lie. The ban takes away everyone's right to choose - including the nonsmokers.

"...The right to live a healthy life is what the ban is truly about..."

Questionable statement.

KSTreb..er..Crack...it's unfortunate that you and others like you feel you have to spread lies and half-truths to try and impose your will on those you don't agree with.

December 17, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Pingeon (anonymous) says...

Apparently, Hutch is going through the same thing now. However, the roles are reversed. The commission voted it down and now the do-gooders (in this case, the Health Dept.) is routing a petition to put it in place. Here is one guy's view on it. Rbow and Josies, you guys should read this. I think you will like his take on it.

http://www.dwightseffort.com/index.ph...

December 17, 2008 at 6:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

romano1784 (anonymous) says...

"EOB is just fighting for the “right” to operate unsafe businesses. That’s it. They aren’t interested in the “rights of the people”. They just want to make money and not be held responsible for any harm done to their customers as a result of the toxic air quality on their property."
Plain and simple crack, the EOB is fighting for their right to run their business as they see fit. They are fighting for the "Rights as a business OWNER! Yes they want to make money, and they are not responsible. WE choose to go there, ergo we are responsible, if you don't like the responsibility WE advise you dont go there!
I posted it before, a quote from comedian Augie Smith, "Excuse me, Mr. Bartender Man. I am trying to get drunk, so I can drive home, and have unprotected sex with some chick I just met tonight, And this guy's blowin smoke in my face!!!"

December 17, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

seriouslyfolks, MisterO & romano1784,
you guys are going to get headaches by beating your heads against a really dumb brick wall. Remember to keep it above the wall's level.

December 17, 2008 at 6:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

romano1784 (anonymous) says...

we'd love to stop the headaches oh4, but you know us smokers and non smokers that disagree with the ban. We just don't know whats good for us unless we are told.

December 17, 2008 at 6:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

lol...I know it well ;o)

December 17, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I think my juice bar will have brick walls.

December 17, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

josiesbar (anonymous) says...

"They just want to make money"

Crack, Now why in the world would you want to open a business just to make money? That doesn't make a lick of sense. As the proud owner of a non-profit nightclub, I can say that.

December 17, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

booker5m (anonymous) says...

I have never seen so much BS from two opposing sides

December 17, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tbluma (anonymous) says...

Crack would you mind to tell us what business you are in or is that a state secret like your real name?

December 17, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Free4all (anonymous) says...

Isnt any bar that serves alcohol and greasy food just as guilty as well? Do you feed your kids french fries from McDonalds? A nice slice of greasy pizza? Do you go out to a bar and fill up on beverage's that alters your ability to function properly either in public or behind the wheel?
Who's running unsafe businesses when these things go on also? I dont hear you complaining of these things crack but yet you state you are thinking of everyones safety. You are just stuck on this battle like its the only thing that is hurting people. The only thing you are thinking of is yourself and your group.

December 17, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Free4all
You are 100% correct!
This isn't a health issue for anybody and if it is the other things you mentioned are probably next on their agenda. That is a scary thought, these people shutting down McDonalds and bars(except juice bars naturally) and who knows what else. Fortunately for us this isn't really about health. But as we have both stated this is selfishness and it doesn't go any deeper than that.

December 17, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

romano1784 (anonymous) says...

Anyone else waiting for CAE to ban liquor next? I heard they now sell O' DOOLES by the keg!

December 17, 2008 at 8:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

phiber101 (anonymous) says...

After reading the postings here, I have come to the realization the "crack" is on just that - CRACK! Just to clear things up, I am a NON SMOKER and actually get massive migraines from cigarette smoke. With that said, a city wide smoking ban is absolutely ridiculous! We as comsumers have the choice to stay away from establishments where smoking is allowed. Anyone who runs a business where they want to smoke, then so be it. It's their RIGHT! If you don't like it, stay away. You have a right to spend your money where you please, so crack......looks like you are due for another trip to the crack house! Just my two cents.

December 17, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

I said it before on a different forum,a nd I'll say it again on this one: "It seems that the pro-ban folks have a very narrow view of this whole matter. First, their reasoning seems to begin with their dislike of smoke. This is understandable and I can relate, but they seem to be willing to hog all American rights for themselves, not giving an equal portion to those who might inconvenience them. Secondly, they bring up the health aspect. Very few people are catching on to what's really behind the health view. Americans have become bored with being successful because of our commitment to freedom. We have gotten sensitive to the jealousy that so many other countries have of us that causes them to dislike us. We have a younger country than any of theirs, but our government system is older and more successful than theirs, because they have long histories of getting trapped in unsuccessful forms. Young America has helped many of them and has set a world-wide example of freedom. Then, added to their initial jealousy, they witness our inconsistency when we hear that they don't like us. This causes them to lose all respect for us, and we get caught in a vicious cycle of trying to be popular and being despised for it. So, in our latest efforts to become popular, we call them progressive (who has followed who?) and are attempting to copy some of their current systems. The biggest one is socialized health care. Now, no socialized health care system that is currently in place is truly successful--most are miserable failures that the citizens are trapped under, while others are functional, but becoming less each year. None of them have been in effect long enough that we should be ready to jump in--they have not been proven. In the currently "successful" ones, however, the key is that they work for the healthy people. Makes sense, if they don't need it, they don't use it; however, they have a false sense of security in thinking that if they ever do need it, it will be there. If you really want to know about them, you should ask individuals who are chronically or life-threateningly ill, but are just numbers in the system who receive only what's available, only when it's available. So, those "peer-pressured" Americans who are pushing this national health care idea are also propagandizing the country to place high taxes on and then ban in stages those things that would cause us to need health care to be paid for. Tobacco, fast food, soda, etc.
The alternative to all of this is to tell the government that we can pay for our own health care, no matter what lifestyle we choose and how it affects our future health. But to be fair, if we do want them to pay for our health care for us, then they should be able to tell us how to live regarding our health (the "my house, my rules" concept).

December 17, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

seriously, I appreciate your input at the end of the first time I said this. You are right. If they can't manage money now, how will they pull it off for healthcare?
Oh, and if I offered you a juice box, would it calm you down a bit on that (you're hilarious btw).

December 17, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Juice "boxes" won't calm me down because they are processed and thus they are evil and unhealthy. I'm only about the natural juice baby. It's all about the healthy healthy healthy healthness! I mean for real though think about the kids.

December 17, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hottopics (anonymous) says...

I will continue to read these forums while I eat my chocolate cake, my cheeseburger, my potato chips and maybe even a beer until someone else decides that I cant eat them anymore because they are bad for me. GO USA!!

December 17, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

booker5m
If by BS you mean banana strawberry than, yes.

December 17, 2008 at 11:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

josiesbar (anonymous) says...

Well, I don't know how anyone else did, but I got 77 signatures today. That might not sound like a lot, but if you think about it, just me collecting signatures, I got 10% of what we need in one day. Ohh, I also registered 12 new voters.

Matt

December 18, 2008 at 2:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Way to go Matt!
Only got about 35 @ the Royal but wait till the weekend.

For those who wish to sign but don't want the smoke, Brody Cline ,"the Blind " has petitions also. Thanks Brody!
Also Bruff's has petitions if your out that way.
Steve

December 18, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

I would like to publicly thank Sandy Bastin & Gary Burgess, from Bruff's for their hard work. Sandy has probably put a thousand miles on her car & that many hours on the computer working on this. And Gary's deep pockets haven't hurt either. Thanks you guys!
Corbin

December 18, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

crackinsack,
I don't know how many times I have to say this, but here it is a gain.
If you and the ban smoking advocates were truly concerned with public health, you would be in your knights armour, on your giant white charger and be crusading to ban all things that are known to be hazardous or unhealthy to the public.
Such as auto, truck, aircraft, train, etc. emissions, ultraviolet radiation emitted by the sun and tanning beds, etc., pesticides, bleach, laundry detergent, motor oil and the millions of other natural and manmade ingredients and products that are also known to be unhealthy to the public. Oh and I forgot the Tyson sewer lagoon, who knows what that thing is emitting into the air we all breath, if the smell on a hot day is any indication of the possible pollutants that thing could be emitting, it could be very bad.
So to my way of thinking you and the CAE and ban smoking advocates could care less about the publics health in general.
This whole ban smoking campaign is only about someones " POWER TRIP and EGO" and getting what they want and forcing everyone to live by their rules and way of thinking and living.
I urge all of you who are able to think and reason for yourselves to look very closely at what the ban smoking advocates have been saying, who they have been "targeting" and above all, remember that the City of Emporia already had an effective public smoking ban ordinance in place, which allowed all of Emporias' citizens to excerise their "RIGHT" of "FREEDOM OF CHOICE" to either avoid smokers and SHS and that the ban smoking "BRIGADE" want to be the only one in Emporia that are not going to have to make a difficult choice and the only ones who will not have to go out side a business to smoke and be forced into being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen and be treated like some people were treated before the "CIVIL RIGHTS BILL" was enacted.
So I urge both smokers and non-smokers, who feel that this ban smoking ordinance is in fact a step backward and not fair to get out and sign the petitions to bring this to a vote of the public and then when and if it is brought to a vote of the public, to vote against a City wide smoking ban ordinance !

December 18, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Jim Kessler announces he will run for re-election for city commission. What do you think?
Steve

December 18, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

And I would like to thank crackinsack for his above statement that my business has toxic air quality on my property. Hope you can back that one up in court?
Steve

December 18, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

crackinsack'
Do you believe that the whole purpose of "OSHA" is to ensure that employees have a safe working environment ?
And if you and the CAE do believe that the purpose of "OSHA"
is to ensure that employees have a safe working environment, then why don't you and the CAE stop trying to be the health police of Emporia ?
Do you and the CAE followers even know what "OSHA" is?
Well let me enlighten you, "OSHA" stands for "OCCUPATIONAL, SAFTY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION". "DUUUUUHHHHHH !
This is the arm of the Federal Government that takes care of the "HEALTH AND SAFETY' of the workers of America. If we are going to let private individual citizens or individual citizen groups start making and dictating law, then we might as well get rid of government and government agencies that are supposed to do the law making and policeing and let "ANARCHY" be the rule of the United States.

December 18, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

crackinsack- Make up your mind. Do you want either the health of the employee or the health of the customer, quit changing your mind to suit your argument, and since you are not a customer of the businesses that allow smoking or probably will never be one to any extent anyway, exactly what is your complaint. Just use your "FREEDOM OF CHOICE" and continue to go to the many places that do not allow smoking and stop trying to force those who choose to smoke and go to places that allow smoking and stop trying to force these people who happen to smoke, enjoy smoking and stop trying to force them to be 2nd or 3rd class citizens and live by your "TYRANNICAL and OPRESSIVE " rules.
And for you information "OSHA" has no specific rules or regulations about tobacco smoke in any business, factory or work place, and neither does any other government agency that I can find.

December 18, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Crack
I, as I have stated before, am not a smoker nor am I a business owner so "the almighty dollar" can't possibly be my motivation for opposing this ban. Until your dream of a Utopian socialist society is realized in this MY country(I'm a veteran I've earned the right to say that) making money is still OK.

How is it that you can still claim that without the ban tobacco use is unregulated. There are a bunch of laws restricting who can smoke and where they can smoke. Why do continually ignore this fact?

Do you notice not a lot of people on here agree with you? Maybe it's because your arguments are clearly only your opinions and you ignore facts(such as the fact the tobacco is in fact a controlled substance).

Please crack tell me that you are aware of the current restrictions on tobacco use and tell me why you think they are insufficient.

December 18, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

driveonby (anonymous) says...

I went to the Clean Air Emporia site. There is no mention of where their funding is coming from.
Also, do you people NOT have a problem with the supposed "group of concerned citizens", using the facilities of USD253 for their personal agenda. I think Teresa should be doing this OFF school time, as it is a privately funded, (by pharmaceutical companies selling Nicorette, Nicoderm. Chantix, etc.)
Doesn't it bother you tax payers that she is using school computers, during school hours for this?

December 18, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

crackinsack:
So, you are trying to say that auto, truck, aircraft, train emissions are only affecting the person operating the particular conveyance, boy, that is really good news to who, I guess that we can all breathe better now, knowing that the carbon monoxide that comes from all vehicle exhaust only affects the operator of the vehicle ! And that the ultra-vilolate radiation from the sun only affects, who ? Ah, only everyone that is exposed to it. What about the pesticides and fertilizer that are sprayed on yards, fields and pasture land, not to mention the animal waste that is deposited on fields and pasture land and then burned, only to be deposited in the smoke from this burning. Ah yes I forgot that this type of toxic polution and contamination serves a useful purpose, even though everyone may be exposed to it.
I will give you the bleach, motor oil, laundry detergent and tanning beds, maybe, but that still leaves many, many more possible toxic substances that we all can possibly be exposed to that could be unhealthy. Your health argument is weak at best, because smokers and non-smokers are both smarter than you give them credit for.

December 18, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

driveonby:
The plain and simple fact is that the CAE, its founder and certain or all of its advocates have the mind set that they can do anything they want, use anything and anybody they want to force their agenda upon the citizens of Emporia and it has been happening just this way here for decades now.
I am so glad to see the citizens of Emporia finally getting fed up with this sort of "BULLYING " politics and standing up for their individual "Rights and Freedoms". And are not going to let anyone force you (us) to live by their beliefs and way of living without a fight.

December 18, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

RalphTebbetts (anonymous) says...

crackinthehead,
Do you have a dotted line tattooed on your foot so you know how far to stick it in every time you open your mouth???

December 18, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Crack
You are an American and have the same rights I do it's just that I earned them for the both of us, your welcome.
Being a nonsmoker doesn't make you better than a smoker either. See how that works?

And again why are the current laws insufficient?
I know of a lot of buildings other than government buildings that don't allow smoking. I avoid shs just fine. Why is it that you have so much trouble?

Sorry to make you feel bad for not serving your country. I'll try to be more sensitive to your feelings in the future.

December 18, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HenryVIII (anonymous) says...

I want to start by saying that I am a smoker (pipe and cigars mostly), but I think the ban is a good thing. Smoking has really lost all of its significance. It used to be that people would smoke for a special occasion. Possibly at a celebration or ceremony of some kind. Nowadays, people smoke just to smoke. It doesn't make any sense to me, for instance, when I see someone alone in a car smoking. I'm the type of guy who doesn't really like the smell of smoke, but I enjoy the social aspect of enjoying a cigar on the porch with a few friends.(I only wish I had a smoking jacket) I’m not always in the mood to smoke, however.
What I don't like is when I'm trying to enjoy a steak and all I can taste is the smoke from the other table. I also don't like leaving a bar smelling like an ashtray no matter how long I’ve been in there.
I am not a slave to my tobacco habit. I think many people are. This ban will help wean people away from their addiction so they can live normal lives without having to smoke every 5 minutes. People who chain-smoke in public places give people like me a bad name. Let's pass the ban and keep our habits to ourselves.
Happy Holidays,
‘enry

December 18, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

crack
I once bought a car that was previously owned by a smoker. How did I know it was owned by a smoker? It wasn't because it smelled or because I now have "the black lung" from driving it for a decade. I knew because there are burn marks in the seat. Did I see them before I bought it? I sure did and I took that into account when I decided to buy it. This is what we can now do with the avoidance of shs. We can see and smell the smoke and put that into consideration and decide to go there or not. It's really pretty simple.

I've been to Germany a couple of times, once for two and a half years while I was in the................oh yeah I can't mention that. Sorry. Anyway while I was in Germany I noticed that the buildings and the houses were all very similar in color. It kinda looked nice but something about it just didn't set right with me. I asked a German national why all the buildings and houses are painted the same, he said it was the law. In contrast when I drive around Emporia I see all kinds of different colors on houses and buildings. Would I live in a purple house with blaze orange trim? NO! Do I throw up in my mouth a little at the sight of it? Yeah, a little. But as I hold back the vomit I am reminded how fortunate I am to live in a country where you can live in a purple and orange house if you want to. It is indeed our right to live in such a house until a law says otherwise. Then and only then does it cease to be a right.
This ban takes away rights no matter what you or anybody says crack. I fell sorry for you that you can't see that. Perhaps there is some illumination in my old way of thinking after all.

December 18, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

It's my deck and I'll play any cards I want!
You people have "played" your cards
It's for the children.
It's for public health.
Private property is not private.
It's for the employees.
Let's make it a level playing field.
It's not a rights issue.

Well, I am telling you it is a rights issue, and maybe, just maybe, because of my service to my country, I just might have a better understanding of that then you do.
Steve

December 18, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

crack
I do believe laws against murder are good, great in fact.
Some laws are good some are not.
The current smoking laws are good and the ban is not.
That is my opinion and until you and your socialist cohorts take it away from me I have the right to have that opinion.

December 18, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kujiin (anonymous) says...

I just want to wish everyone a happy holiday season this. I mean this in the most sincere and friendly manner.

On another note to all those individuals who support taking away my rights and my choices.
See how they have us arguing with each other now. They're probably having secret meetings right now to take away more of your rights. Oh, have nice holiday season too.

Beware of the Patriot Act......

December 18, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kujiin (anonymous) says...

I just want to wish everyone a happy holiday season this *year. I mean this in the most sincere and friendly manner.

On another note to all those individuals who support taking away my rights and my choices.
See how they have us arguing with each other now. They're probably having secret meetings right now to take away more of your rights. Oh, have nice holiday season too.

Beware of the Patriot Act......

December 18, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

USNretired (anonymous) says...

Draft and service dodgers are so funny

December 18, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

josiesbar (anonymous) says...

Crack,

This is not a threat by any means, just an observation. You need your @ __ __ kicked. Seriously. No, I'm not saying I'm going to do it, unless you want me too, but you seem to me to be one of those people out there that has never been in a fight, let alone lost one. You come away from things like that (generally) with a different understanding of the world. An attitude adjustment, if you will. I'm not saying that I think you should be physically harmed because your views are different than mine, I'm simply saying you should be physically harmed because of the way you express your views. Again, this is not a threat by any means, just an observation.

December 18, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

to anyone who watches and has quoted on these forums the TV series The Family Guy,
I have been waiting to see if anyone else will ask these questions, but since no one has, I'll go for it. In all sincerity, is a cartoon that contains adult material harmful to children who might have access to it? How do you feel when a group of "concerned parents," "Christian organization" or any other entity starts lobbying to remove those types of shows in the interest of protecting said children?
I am trying to make a point here and not trying to offend anyone. If I receive a serious answer I will clarify my own position on the matter.

December 18, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

steve, as to your 8:14am post today: since Kessler and Johnson thought they could act like my mommy and daddy, I don't think I'll let them try to be the bosses of me anymore.

December 18, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

josiesbar (anonymous) says...

I never said, nor does, EOB advocates violence. On occasion, however, I do.

December 18, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )