Dangerous clothes?
By Bobbi Mlynar
Originally published 01:00 p.m., October 16, 2007
Updated 01:00 p.m., October 16, 2007
“King of Kings.” For many, the phrase refers to Jesus Christ. For others, it’s part of a logo for Southpole, a clothing brand popular with young people.
Emporia Middle School officials see the clothing from a third point of view, and the assistant principal has told students not to wear garments with the “King of Kings” crown motif. The school interprets the phrase and the five-pointed crown as being symbols of the Latin Kings gang and its subgroups.
Nancy Horst, community relations director for the district, said that school district’s dress code specifically prohibits any apparel that is gang-related, and at EMS, the clothing is banned.
EMS Assistant Principal Brian Pekarek has talked with students who wear Southpole garments bearing the crown and the phrase.
“If a student is wearing clothing that violates the dress code, Pekarek asks them to change into another shirt and to not wear (the offending garment) any more,” Horst said. “A student is not suspended for violating the dress code. However, if a student refuses to comply with the rules, he or she may be suspended.”
That’s what happened to John Burton’s daughter, a student at EMS.
He bought his daughter Kristen Burton a Southpole sweatshirt and sent her to school on Oct. 8, apparently unaware of the negative connotations the shirt would evoke at EMS. Kristen was stopped at school and Pekarek told her not to wear the sweatshirt the following day, or she would be suspended. Horst said that the girl was told that EMS would allow students to turn the Southpole shirts wrong-side out so the embroidered logo would not be seen.
Burton said his daughter did not reverse the sweatshirt and chose to return to school wearing it the following day, and was suspended.
The district position is that Kristen was suspended for refusing to obey an assistant principal, not for wearing the Southpole clothing.
“If she was to go back to school wearing the Southpole sweatshirt or sweater — she has both— she would be suspended for the whole year,” Burton said. “And my daughter does not want to go back to school. She wants to go to another school in town because she don’t think it’s right either.”
Burton said during an interview last week that his older daughter wears the same kind of Southpole clothing at Emporia High School and has not been admonished or warned not to wear it.
“Southpole is the thing,” Burton said in an interview late last week. “It was here last year and the year before. This just became a problem the last few days.
“What really burns me up is they sent nothing out to parents (prior to the Southpole King of Kings banning). ... You can’t just say, ‘You can’t wear that.’ ... That burns me up.”
Horst said that school safety is the underlying purpose of the dress code, especially concerning gang-related clothing and accessories.
“First, schools are trying to stop gang behavior, often associated with disrespect, violence and other criminal activity,” she said. “Secondly, students who innocently wear an item adopted as a gang sign may be threatened by members of the gang or a rival gang.”
She said it can be difficult for parents to recognize gang signs because they can be subtle and can change quickly. She said Pekarek has found that parents nearly always appreciate being told about specific articles of clothing that are recognized as gang symbols because they don’t want their children identified with gangs.
Pekarek’s advice for parents was to watch what children and their peers are wearing and whether they’re all wearing the same thing in a particular way, she said.
Horst added that the Southpole crowns motif is not the only style banned in some schools in the district. Students also cannot wear bandanas, especially red or blue ones; Playboy bunny insignias, and garments carrying the numbers 13 and 14.
“All have a tie to a gang,” Horst said. “Some athletic team clothing has been adopted by gangs. The school does not include a complete list in the student handbook because the signs change.”
Some gangs have adopted Dallas Cowboys stars, the Sponge Bob SquarePants cartoon character and Pittsburgh Steelers colors, according to Web sites that report on gangs.
Determination on what clothing will be designated as possibly gang-related rests with building principals.
“Are they going to outlaw Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers?” Burton asked.
He said he believed the EMS decision on Southpole crown garments was tinged with bias against Hispanics. His daughter, who is recorded as Native American on her birth certificate, has a grandparent who is Hispanic.
“There’s not been one white kid suspended,” he said.
Burton contends that the crown is nothing more than a trademark made by a company created and run by South Koreans David and Kenny Kim, whose family immigrated to the United States in 1977.
“Nowhere under Latin Kings (on its Web site) does this say they got this symbol from Southpole. Southpole has nothing to say about Latin Kings,” Burton said. “I look at it this way: if they can’t wear Southpole shirts, they can’t have Homecoming king and queen because they’re wearing a crown. A crown’s a crown.”
Burton said the crown insignia is carried on a variety of Southpole items.
“They make pants, they make shoes, they make backpacks, hats,” he said.
The clothing line is somewhat expensive, and he is frustrated that his purchases at JCPenney for one daughter are approved at EHS and are not allowed at EMS. He sees only one solution, and recommends it be district-wide.
“They need a uniform requirement and it needs to include shoes,” Burton said.
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
Emporia should have gone with school uniforms a long time ago.....
M
October 16, 2007 at 2:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
purplelle (anonymous) says...
I am not believing that a parent is being so silly. Parents need to stand up for the teachers and teach their kids respect. Do you want your daughter tied to a gang? Of course, unless, she's in a gang. I think there should be uniforms in EVERY school & have thought that for a long time. Let's get our kids in uniforms so gang clothing can be banished! And no one looks better than anyone else. It would certainly help the elementary teachers too.
October 16, 2007 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Weltha (anonymous) says...
I really don't agree with uniforms but in this town..... A set dress code might work. Like a solid button up shirt ((any color)) and blue jeans ((With belt)) No holes etc... I miss penny loafers... Just kidding.
October 16, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
I guess I should clarify that I honestly don't see anything wrong with her sweatshirt (in the picture). Granted, I'm not gang knowledgeable but, here's another thing that crossed my mind:
What if a student walked around with a Koran? Or a Bible? Is that acceptable? Why or why not? Would it be taken from the student and would he/she be suspended then because, well, each of those books represents **something** that not everyone believes, right?
Or, what if this kid received this sweatshirt from, say, a donation box of some kind? Is the school going to buy her a new wardrobe? (And, I did read the article, this "line of clothing" is expensive, but I'm just saying).
I think the school should have sent a list of so-called "banned" clothing home before school started.
Regardless, if Emporia had uniforms, none of this would have been an issue.....
M
October 16, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Weltha (anonymous) says...
The school I went to didn't have uniforms but. All girls had to wear dresses with sleeves (no tanktops) the dress had to be below the knee. The boys had to wear buttonup shirts with collars and slacks. No baggy saggy other wise trashy skimpy clothing (like they wear now) was allowed and we ALL (parents and kids)knew it. Everyone was "well" dressed but you could still show your indivuality.
October 16, 2007 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
westaber (anonymous) says...
I guess a rule is a rule. Do we want to raise our children breaking rules or the law. To late they are already breaking the rules and the law. Just pickup the gazette MIP are a dime a dozen.
October 16, 2007 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Weltha (anonymous) says...
I agree westaber. She knew when she wore it the 2nd time she was in the wrong. Her dad sticking up for her breaking the rules is just letting her and other kids know that its ok to not respect the rules and authority. I believe that is what is going wrong with society today. Its all about ME and what I want to heck with everyone else.
October 16, 2007 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
This is exactly why many schools adopt uniforms, especially when gang symbols and colors can change by the day. And that's uniforms without jewelry, by the way. On top of that, becoming insubordinate just adds to the problem. This little girl CHOSE to wear the sweatshirt again the next day even after she was told not to. Now she wants to go to another school. There's only one middle school in Emporia. I wouldn't take an attitude like insubordination to an area school.
“There’s not been one white kid suspended,” says her father. That begs the question: Have there been any white kids wearing the attire in question? I really hate it when the first thing people say is you're picking on me because I'm...black, white, yellow, plaid, brownish purple, or green with pink polka dots.
And really, bringing up the idea of banning the king and queen of homecoming because of crowns? C'mon, mister, get real. What a silly comment. You sound like a kid yourself.
A list of banned items doesn't help much when the items change so quickly.
Hey Weltha, penny loafers? These days, they'd put a dime in the slot just for the sake of being subversive.
October 16, 2007 at 3:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Weltha (anonymous) says...
LOL You are soooooo right create. I did try that though, the ydon't like to stay in... LOL Our comments are about the same you just said it better....
October 16, 2007 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
zapatajoaquin (anonymous) says...
The schools should help educate the parents about what is allowed at school and what is not. Parents do need to support the school's policy, it is for the student's safety. This student did not folow the rules after being warned. If you have teenagers, you as a parent should also educate yourself about what teenagers are doing and are involved in. It is the school's job to educate the students in a safe environment.
October 16, 2007 at 3:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lycomu (anonymous) says...
That whirling noise you hear is the Framers of the constitution spinning in their graves. The good news is that this should help some with global warming.
October 16, 2007 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporialive (anonymous) says...
Schools need to get their act together, what is not allowed in one school in this district should not be allowed in any of the schools. Let's not just make up the list as we go, if certain items are not allowed then there needs to be a list compiled and posted on USD 253 website before parents go out and spend the money on items that can not be worn. The way things are going with dress codes maybe this district needs to look at uniforms more closely then they have in the past.
October 16, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
theNewKid (anonymous) says...
Is there a gang problem in Emporia?
October 16, 2007 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
madpoet (anonymous) says...
The point is she deliberately disobeyed a direct order from a principal. The rule may be stupid (in my high school girls could wear mini skirts but no one could wear shorts!) but kids need to learn to follow rules and listen to authority figures. What if a police officer gives her a warning about something? Is is ok for her to blow that off too? Too many people think rules shouldn't apply to them.
October 16, 2007 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
I do agree with everyone stating that the issue is her choice to wear the item AGAIN after being told not to do so.....I bet she got support for that decision from her father.
I also bet she has a cell phone, computer (probably in her room), and very few, if any, chores she has to do in order to earn or use those items.
In my thinking, the better way to handle it would have been for her to not wear the sweatshirt a second time until the issue was handled between her parents and school board.
M
October 16, 2007 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
I sure wish some gangs had adopted bell-bottoms and the "dry look" poofy hair back in my school days. That way those could have been banned and my yearbook pictures wouldn't look so goofy now....
October 16, 2007 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rdgrey (anonymous) says...
She was warned...she wore it again....she got herself in trouble. If I do 45 down 6th street and get a warning...im lucky and learn not to do it again. If i do it again its just saying I dont care about the rules and should expect a ticket. No sympathy from me and her Dad should know better then to let her continue breaking the rules that EVERYONE is expected to follow and should raise her daughter to follow rules that are set up for the good of the people.
October 16, 2007 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tosie (anonymous) says...
Here's the problem:
1) the girl got a warning and she disobeyed it.
2) no wonder the girl disobeyed it- her father is backing her up and teaching her how to disrespect authority at the same time.
3) the reason kids like this one act this way is because their parents act this way.
The solution to all of this....put on a different shirt, get your butt back to class, and dad shut the hell up!!!! Next time don't come to school in something that is against the dress code and quit your whining...you and dad.
October 16, 2007 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
citizen (anonymous) says...
I am a parent of a child that goes to EMS. I received the EMS handbook just like all the other parents. I have been given the rules. If I want my son to atten EMS than he and I need to follow the rules. Kirsten ws given fair warning. The fact she wore it agin tells me she wanted to be suspended. If her dad wants to stick up for her doing the wrong thing that is his choice. But what message is he sending. I am glad to hear that the school is sticking to it's policies. If the the parents and students want a change on something they need to go through the correct channels. Shame on the dad who let's his child break the rules and then tells her it is okay.
October 16, 2007 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coldhardtruth (anonymous) says...
I totally agree with tosie. It hasn't been very long since I went to that school. This girl just doesn't care, she is trying to look "cool" and disobey authority. Oh and by the way dad, this is not being racist against hispanics, I'm sure if any student would break the rules like your daughter they would have the same punishment. Why does someone always have to scream out racist whenever someone other than a white individual gets in trouble?
October 16, 2007 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rdgrey (anonymous) says...
Maybe DAD needs a stiff fine for the encouragement of his child to break the school rules and sent to a parenting class.
October 16, 2007 at 6:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rami (anonymous) says...
Being a mother of an 8th grader at EMS, I believe that this is justified. The student was not suspended just because she wore the clothing but because she disobeyed school authority. The parent is setting a bad example by getting so upset, she did something wrong so they should accept the consequences....and she was told what it would be. If it were my child, I'd make her accept the punishment and write a letter of apology.
October 16, 2007 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
i hope her dad is reading the comments about his parenting, if we all allowed kids to break the rules when they see fit, they would all grow up to be jailbirds. if certain clothing tells others that you belong to a negative group, why wear it? the schools should sent out updated lists of clothes not allowed in school, it would be nice to know what things have negativity attached to them and what dont.
October 16, 2007 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brooke (anonymous) says...
Well, poor little girl, having to follow the same rules that other students are required to follow. While expressing the opinion that she was singled out, did she also explain that she pitched a fit in the hall when asked to go to the office? Yes, all races wear this brand. And, as fairly as possible, the rule is distributed across the board. It clearly states in the rules in the agenda that gang related clothes are forbidden. It also states that jackets are not to be worn to the classroom. And, it also states that requests from those in authority are to be adhered to otherwise they start on the Levels of infractions. So she is listed as being of mixed race. Walk down the halls. We are one of the most diverse schools in the state. Pedigrees are not checked before enforcing the rules. If she transfers (if she is even accepted) to another school, the rules will be even stricter. If she transfers, what is she learning? That she can decide what rules she will obey? What ones will she break? Without order, chaos reigns. We can see who rules the roost at that house.
October 16, 2007 at 7:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
I think the dad in this situation needs to go back to school himself. He is only teaching his daughter that it is ok to disobey the rules, he is setting her up for a disastrous life. If this seems to be a big problem with him, her continuing to go to school at EMS, perhaps he SHOULD move her to a different middle school, where he can go ahead and break rules. The school system in Emporia is doing all that it can to make sure that our children are kept safe. If they have a feeling that a particular symbol or color scheme is going to cause problems, then they should have the right to discontinue it.
The more kids like this little girl act out and are disrespectful or do not obey rules, the more our schools are going to suffer. And is that really all that fair to the kids who want to go to school and get a decent education? These children are the very ones who act out in class, make it difficult for the teachers to do their jobs. These are the very ones in the hallways causing problems with other kids. They get this from their home lives.
A piece of advice here. Shut up dad. Make her go to school, make her follow the rules, make her learn. Otherwise she will be nothing more than one of the women we see so often... lining up in front of the welfare office, waiting for a hand out; all because she didn't get a decent education, because she was kicked out and never came back, because she got pregnant at 15. This is what will happen... all because you told her it was ok to disobey and to be a pain in our butts. To the little girl... you have a LONG way to go before you think you are a grownup missy. You need to get your act together. Stop being a pain in our butts and do what you are told. To the school board.. make uniforms mandatory already, and save yourselves the headaches. Can you say... DUH???
October 16, 2007 at 7:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
7944 (anonymous) says...
Kristen has A an B'S in school. Her dad goes to college also. She is a native american . Kristen was sent home
for not removeing her jackrt bottom line. Her dad is right she should be able to speak her mind. The school had no priblem with south pole at the start of the school year or last year .South pole was more popular then. Why all at once is it a problem ? Make uniforms mandatory and all the schools wouldn't have to say today one garment is ok today but wasn't last week.Let parents know before you tell the kids.
October 16, 2007 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
she wants the freedom to choose her clothing and express her individuality, even to the extend of being suspended when she could wear the clothes at home and not in school, but then thinks it s fair that everyone else should be told to wear the same clothes to school every day and not have the freedom to express themselves with clothing? that contradicts itself. also, are gangs really present in the emporia schools? it looks like there are small numbers of kids who act delinquent and want to identify themselves as a group, but are they really considered gangs? i dont know, but im curious just the same.
October 16, 2007 at 9:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jasper007 (anonymous) says...
Would'nt it be nice to see this discussed with the SCHOOL and SCHOOL BOARD?????? Instead of THRASHING everyone here??????? JUST A THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 16, 2007 at 10:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
Well to begin with this little thing here. This girl Krissy has a reason to do what she choose to do. This is a free country, I mean yeah sure we have a few rules here and there. Im sure when Mr. Perkarek and all the other teachers and parents who do not want to agree with this action, I'm sure that when they were young and attending school that they did not go by the dress code(if there even was one). So why are they expecting a whole school of 7th and 8th graders to follow the same rule. And I'm really sure that even our own President didnt follow the rules. If you would pay attention to whats going on in our world you would recognize that there is alot of famous people that are not even doing everything their supposed to do. For example: Paris Hilton..you all know what she has done. Kristen made a right decesion to do what she did. Im sure there is plenty of other students who would of done the same exact thing as she had done. As a student at EHS i can acknowledge what she done. You all should just take a minute or 2 and think about all this. Would you like to go out and buy your child some very expensive cloths and not have them be able to wear them to school..EVER?!?! I mean come on people! It only makes sense. If you dont like this Decesion that Kristen made then maybe you can just get a life and move on. During my 2 years at EMS there was alot of students who were wearing SouthPole brand cloths that had the crown emblem on it, and never once did Mr. Perkarek say anything about it so why are they makeing such a big deal out of it..The High School doesnt have a problem with it..The only school that has a problem is the freaken MIDDLE SCHOOL!!
FOR REAL..LET THEM WEAR THE CLOTHS ALREADY!!
October 16, 2007 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thevigilant1 (anonymous) says...
Come on people how stupid can you be its emporia do you really think an actual gang could form in emporia... seriously its 7th and 8th grade posers and nothing more than an inflated ego trip on behalf of our clanish like mantality of our viceprinipals like it has always been some things never change....(were not in compton no one is going to get shot over clothes)
October 16, 2007 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
acricket (anonymous) says...
Kristen I seen nothing wrong with your jacket. Don't let them take your rights away. One day it is ok the next day they ban it. This world is getting like Hitler more and more everyday and we the people are standing by and are afraid to speak up.. Those that want to keep your freedom look at the website www.Ron Paul 2008.com
October 16, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
P.S- STAY IN SCHOOL!
October 16, 2007 at 10:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
I AGREE WITH "ACRICKET" YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON..THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL ACKNOWLEDGMENT! GRACIAS YOUR MY NEW AMIGA/O
October 16, 2007 at 10:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
xlmexicanlx (anonymous) says...
Alright i know what this is..Its the white racist employees at the school. They are just jealous that the southpole brand doesnt "match" they're white american body. So they are banning it and making a bunch of BS about the logos..there is no latins kings gang here. Just the surenos and nortenos..Why not ban the color red and Blue??? Ha you guyz make me sick
With much love..JK!
-The End-
October 16, 2007 at 10:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rdgrey (anonymous) says...
seriously if your going to walk around with your eyes closed to the gang problems go ahead but dont whine when they get out of hand like they have in other towns.Yes there are gang here and they are in other towns.I lived in topeka and they denied gangs for years before starting any programs there. Sure some of the few that use colors or symbols for gangs have hurt the right of the many but you can not point out the ones who can wear the logo and those who can not. The rule was put there for everyone. If dad had a problem with it then he should have taken it to the school board the proper way. Not let his little girl do his battles for him and he hides at home. And I dont think this town should stand bye until gangs get too bad before trying to impliment some standards. I for one have kids that go to school here and follow the same rules as everyone else with out much difficulty. Like I said, when I have a problem with a rule, I will argue my side and not send my children out to do the talking for me and pay the price for my decision. Be a parent and a responsible one!
October 16, 2007 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newme314 (anonymous) says...
I know Kristen personally. She was not being disrespectful as alot of people may think. This country is quickly becoming a communist country,telling a child what and what not to wear. An example of this is,taking the freedom of religion our of our schools. I believe that if the right to worship is reinstated in the school system, there may be less gang problems, if any. I am very proud of Kristen for standing up for rights. The constitution gives rights, frredom of religion,freedom of expression,freedom of speech. These are rights, not privlages as Americans.
October 16, 2007 at 10:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newme314 (anonymous) says...
I have a daughter that went to a school in Wichita, the dress code for the students in this system was UNIFORMS. This action was for two reasons, 1) the gang problem and 2) so the kids that did not have much money would not be made fun of by the kids that were better off and the uniforms did not cost anymore then regular clothing. I for one as a parent, would have no problem with buying uniforms for my kids. Way to go Kristen
October 16, 2007 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
Perhaps each and every one of us is missing the main point here, myself included. The main point of this whole thing is that this girl was told to do something by her school principal. She clearly did not do what she was told to do, therefore she is being punished for it. Grades make no difference in this, if the child is disobeying. I mean, seriously. It clearly states on the website for the middle school, that "Any wearing of apparel advertising tobacco, liquor, weapons, illegal drugs, violence; or those with sexual innuendoes or gang related, will not be considered acceptable, school dress." (Cut and pasted from the site itself). If she is that smart of a kid, she would have read her handbook, which I am sure she received at the beginning of the year, and would have known what was acceptable and what wasn't. And why is her dad out buying expensive clothes for her in the first place? School is a place to learn people, it isn't a fashion show, it isn't a popularity contest. Again, go with the uniforms, and perhaps we won't have cry babies like this coming to the paper and wasting our time. She got in trouble, deal with it and move on.
October 16, 2007 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
xlmexicanlx (anonymous) says...
rdgrey...ur gay..
I have never ever heard one single person in my life that they wanted that sweater cuz its "gang related". i bet if u had that brand u would be all pissed off as well...alot of ppl own that brand and if u guyz wanna ruin it for them,,then ima tell everyone to join MY new gang "Latin Kings: Terrorizing EMS" then we'll see wat a gang really is..alright racists im on my way..
-Carlitos AKA stfu whities-
October 16, 2007 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
my aunt has a daughter and she said that her little daughter wears cloths from JcPenny's and on them cloths there is crowns, butterflys, etc.
so what are you guys going to band her from wearing those cloths to the school as well..
you school people are really taking this too far..
October 16, 2007 at 11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
BABiiGURL... this is simply a discussion. We are taking the time to sit among each other and speak about our feelings on this. That is the whole purpose of the comments section. If it is bothering you so much, you are welcome to pass on leaving more comments, and I am sure there is more exciting things you can do with your time.
October 16, 2007 at 11:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
Excuse me? What happened to "Freedom of Speech" here, the very thing you are all so adamant about?
October 16, 2007 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
newme314 (anonymous) says...
For over 100 years the American Indian has been discrimated against. Was this child receiveing the left over brunt of the discrimination from this? It read in the paper, that the main nationality that is being suspended for wearing this clothing is Hispanic, Kristen had a very wonderful grandfather that was Hispanic. Kristen has a mother that is part Indian, she has felt the brunt of racism, and she hpoed and prayed that her children would never have to share the same thing such as that. Only the Hispanics and one Indian child has been suspended for this? Wake up people, it is not the 1800's It is 2007 and almost 2008. Equality is also under the constitution. Our busses,resturants, bathrooms, communities, or our drinknig fountains are not segragated any more.
October 16, 2007 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporian (anonymous) says...
SO what happens when the gangs adopt the same colors as the school uniforms? What then?
October 16, 2007 at 11:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
thevigilant1 (anonymous) says...
the reason the high school has not incorporated this clothing ban is because they actually have upper staff with brains..what are you going to do when their is a gang for every clothing lable are they going to have to wear uniforms or go to school nude?? get a life !!!!!! BRIAN PEKARAK !!!!!!!!
October 16, 2007 at 11:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hottopics (anonymous) says...
Well this is the same girl that has caused unneccessary altercations at the skating rink along with her "cool" friends. She has quite a vocabulary that I believe would make her father bury his head in shame. Her attitude in public is less than desirable.
There is nothing wrong with what she was wearing. I buy that brand for my sons of all ages and it has nothing to do with gangs. Its pitiful that our schools have to label a brand of clothing but SHE WAS TOLD not to.
October 17, 2007 at 12:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brooke (anonymous) says...
Society changes, rules change. Gang activies and wantabes change, taggings change, therefore triggers and symbols change. Gangs? Call the EPD and they will be glad to discuss it with you. The ones that aren't being called to the office are either the ones that are trying to do what they came to school for...get an education. Freedom of speech? Yes, but with freedom comes responsibility. If it weren't for the ones that are giving up thier daily freedoms we wouldn't have even this forum to to express our opinions. Not one of us have earned the right to these freedoms, they were earned by our military and handed to us free of charge.
October 17, 2007 at 6:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
spectator (anonymous) says...
Several posts to this have lost sight of portions of the statement by the school district. 1) Gang 'colors' change and no, they're unlikely to but an ad in the Gazette to going to let everyone know of the change. 2) 'Colors" can identify the innocent as being involved with a gang when they really are not. Wrong or not, they can be a target. 3) Yes, we DO have gangs in Emporia, Kansas. No they are not extremely high-profile, but they ARE here. They've been here for, literally, years but not all that many knew about it. Or chose not to believe. Gangs have ALWAYS been in this great country - why do you believe that Kansas is immune ? The school board has a tough job and I seriously doubt they are picking on this girl (and her daddy). Kristen is, in all probability, a great kid. Most kids are. But would it be so hard to wear her special clothes when she's not in school ?
October 17, 2007 at 6:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
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October 16, 2007 at 11:03 p.m. ( permalink )
rami (anonymous) says...
I think everyone has forgotten the fact that she was suspended for disobeying school authority. Give the school some time to address the clothing situation, hopefully the district will have uniforms soon.
She stood up for what she wanted (by breaking a rule) and that is what she is being punished for...breaking the rule! It happens all over the world so everyone should stop acting so shocked.
October 17, 2007 at 8:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Does the school ban guys wearing their pants down just above their knees? Saw a documentary once where a former gang member mentioned that this fad of wearing pants down low got started to emulate prisoners in jail, many times their pants hang low because they are not allowed to have belts (could be a weapon or used for suicide). So wearing your pants way down low isn't a "hip-hop culture" thing, unless you are emulating the "gangsta rappers", who are modeling their behavior and dress after criminals in prison. So why isn't that banned?
October 17, 2007 at 9:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
citizen (anonymous) says...
Some of the teachers have ropes so if a student wears their pants low they give them the rope to tie around their waist to keep them up while they are in school. Guess what, the kids aren't wearing their pants low. but it should not be the teachers responsibility, it should be the parents. Kristen was given a choice, wear the jacket and get suspended or not wear the jacket and continue her education. She chose to wear the jacket not she must take responsibility for her actions.
October 17, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
Wow.....maybe we should stop discussing clothing and figure out of the majority of posters here have attended a grammar class?
I'm sort of embarrassed, reading these comments with poor grammar and misspellings (excluding typos and the like, but the majority is plain old BAD GRAMMAR).
If I were Kristen, I certainly wouldn't want people with bad grammar to defend me.....they might think I was just like them--the ones who failed to abide by the rules and pay attention in school.
Oh--and if you have to resort to namecalling, it just cheapens your argument.
M
October 17, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Well, from what I can make out from the poor grammar of that post, I take it that SOME of the teachers have ropes. So apparently it ISN'T mandatory that kids must pull up their pants. So, back to my original question, since it is done to emulate gangs/criminals, why not? IF it IS mandatory, then I apologize ahead of time for my lack of knowledge. That's why I'm asking the question...
October 17, 2007 at 10:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EsqEB (anonymous) says...
“There’s not been one white kid suspended,” he said.
Maybe the white kids have better taste in clothing, or are not wanting to be affiliated with any possible gang. That's pretty easy to explain. This poor girls dad is a racist.
October 17, 2007 at 10:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
And, MelissaE, maybe we shouldn't be too hard on grammar. Some people just type fast and don't proofread. I had to re-read your first statement twice to figure out exactly what was meant by "figure out OF the majority of posters here have attented". Maybe you meant "IF" the majority of posters...???? Don't be offended, just pokin' fun, I've misstyped my share...... :)
October 17, 2007 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
7944 wrote "Her dad goes to college also."
And dad said "She wants to go to another school in town because she don’t think it’s right either.”
Yep. College.
M
October 17, 2007 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
LOL, open_eyes, I caught that, too.
M
October 17, 2007 at 10:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EsqEB (anonymous) says...
Open_Eyes,
Good point on the pants hanging low. Having worked in the criminal justice sector for years, I also know that this style of wearing your pants way down came from prison, but for a different purpose. We all know what men do to other men in prison, and when they do it, they are not very careful about the process, and pants and clothing get torn. Well, if you wear your pants "sagging" you still get raped, but do not have to walk around the rest of the day with your pants torn up and suffer the embarassment of other prisoners knowing what happened. So when these kids emulate the prisoners, they are essentially making it easier for other men to rape them.
Every time I see some wanna be gang banger running around with his pants half off, I wonder if he knows the original intent of doing such.
October 17, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
That's interesting, EsqEB, and thanks for the insight. Like I said, all I know is what I saw a former gang member talking about on a documentary. I really don't think most kids realize exactly who/what they are emulating when they wear their pants low. So, does anyone happen to know, IS it banned in school?
Oh, and by the way, I don't ever see any gang bangers "running" around with their pants half off. More like waddling and stumbling....I don't think they could run if they wanted to... LOL
October 17, 2007 at 10:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lycomu (anonymous) says...
King of Kings because of a possible reference to gangs?
Vikings as the middle school mascot?
does no one see the problem with that?
October 17, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
It chills me to the bone to read the post by BABiigurl. Here is a student in high school who rambles on, screams at people, can't develop an idea, and on top of all that, advocates defiance by saying that Kristin had a right to do what she did since such famous people as Paris Hilton do as they please.
Oh my, yes, let's all pattern ourselves after spoiled brat celebrities who thumb their noses at the law. Of course, this is exactly what Kristin has done, thumbed her nose at the law. The law is all of us, BABiigurl, you'd better study up on that. In this country, the law protects us and prevents anarchy.
To BABiigurl and thevigilant1, this forum is where good and decent people come together to discuss how they feel about the topics presented. We are civilized. Only insolent, immature, desperate people resort to name calling, screaming, and making threats.
Good question about the saggy drawers, open_eyes. I'm guessing that most kids have no idea about the history of that "style" of wearing pants. I'm all for banning them in schools. Some towns have banned them altogether, not just in school. If I'm an employer, I'd better not see anyone coming to work dressed like that.
October 17, 2007 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
I think it s hilarious the kids dont understand what they are emulating when they where their pants down low!! i dont see how uniforms will correct bad behavior.enforcing rules like this article shows the school is doing is whats necessary. my kids had good experiences at the middle school, theres a few bad apples, but the school has done well keeping the kids organized and delivering an education to the ones who are willing to learn.we should not change everyones school experience to accomadate the bad seeds in the crowd.
October 17, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tosie (anonymous) says...
Ok- I'm sorry about being long winded on this, but I feel this is an important topic.
For all of you EMS students that are posting your opinions on here and sticking up for the child that disobeyed the rules and got into trouble....STOP.
First of all you are way too young to understand this issue or make an adult decision on how it should be handled. This is obvious by the fact that you are telling Kristen to be proud of what she's done and that it was ok.
Secondly, all of you need to learn the meaning of RESPECT. I know it can be hard to understand if your parents never taught it to you, but it does not mean it can't be learned and utilized by you.
As for uniforms, I never wished uniforms upon students in the past, but now it's gotten too far. Emporia get some uniforms. If kids don't want to follow the rules and/or aren't grown up enough to follow them then let's make it easy for them and give them only one choice of clothing for school.
These kids today want FREEDOM, but they don't want to earn it or work for it. These kids want to get FREEDOM & RESPECT, then let them earn FREEDOM & RESPECT. Kristen was suspended for a reason - she knowingly disrespected and disobeyed authority, now she has to earn back her freedom into school due to what she's done.
Just an FYI for all of you youngsters out there.....until you are 18 years of age you are NOT an adult and CANNOT roam freely, make decisions on when you'll come home at night or about where you're living, and do whatever you please. This is the law....and yes you can get into trouble for being absent from home without consent (runaway), for skipping school (truancy), or for having out of control behavior in home or at school (ungovernable). These can all lead you straight to the court room sitting in front of a judge if you're not careful.
You are to abide by all rules of your parents, school officials, or anyone in authority until you are 18 years of age. This is where unfortunately some of you have been misguided by parents who don't have rules or guidelines for their children to follow or are not consistent if they do have rules. These rules are set for a reason, and that is to keep kids safe!
I work in a field with kids and families and deal with topics like this everyday. Things always start small, like this issue listed above. Next thing you know the child has ran away from home, gets pregnant, gets placed into foster care, or becomes a juvenile offender. If kids don't start learning now how to act appropriately it will only get worse as they get older.
Please kids- work with your parents, teachers, and schools even if you don't agree with the rules, you still have to abide by them. In the long run you'll see that you'll get farther in life! Everyone has to do things they don't want to do at some point if their lives and we never always get what we want.
October 17, 2007 at 11:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rami (anonymous) says...
Kstrebuchet: I sort of agree with you but I think the swats should start at home. I remember the good ol' days of having to be in by curfew or risk getting a swat, I was always in by curfew. LoL
October 17, 2007 at 12:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
i agree with kstrebuchet and the one above that one.the paddle and wooden rulers were used in school back in the dark ages, and there was not the trouble there is today. the school is trying to keep all kids safe from harrassement and bullying and possibly bigger things, but we still should not change everyones school experience just to simplify life for a few lazy parents and the bad seeds that come along with it. the middle school and high school have alot of wonderful kids, respectful, well mannered, invoved with the school activities and community and destined for happy adult lives, they should not have to dress like everyone else, expressing themselves through clothing is harmless, and fun. having a dress code and banning a few brands is not to much. i wonder if kristens dad influenced her decision to wear the jacket a second day, or if i was her own decision? and for the kids that are sure to read this later today, you need to learn to follow rules, they will be a part of your lives forever like it or not. rules are not only in school, they govern how we get along with our neighbors, at work, even the way we behave with our families goes according to rules.there are alot of intelligent, and witty people sitting in prison or unemployed in the welfare lines simply because they can not follow rules or they think curcumventing the laws is a game.i dont think kids need to be beat, but a wooden paddle can have way more influence on behavior than OUT OF SCHOOL suspensions, all that is doing is giving kids a day off school to be home where the parents are most likely gone at work for the day. these are not the leave it to beaver days where a parent is home to deal with a kid who has been sent home for the day as punishment, not as a vacation time. for the teachers who are reading this, sorry for the misspelled words.
October 17, 2007 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tosie (anonymous) says...
I have to agree with you on the OOS suspensions. They are a day off for kids to run and do what they please because most parents have to go to work and can't stay home to supervise that child. The kids know this and get into trouble at times just to get out of going to school. It's really sad.
October 17, 2007 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
johncanyon (anonymous) says...
Kstrebuchet.. You'll get no flack from me. I say bring back the whoopin's. I know if I ever got one at school, I could look forward to getting some more of them when I got home.
My sons will have the same thing to look forward too when they get in school. I know the school will not swat them but I will.
PS.. BabiGirl... Stay in school, you got some more learnin left to do.
October 17, 2007 at 1:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rami (anonymous) says...
LOL @ kstrebuchet
and I agree slipandslide
my daughter came home the other day from EMS and said a girl got into trouble for wearing a shirt that revealed cleavage. We got into a long discussion about it, by the end of the night she was asking if any of her shirts were inappropriate and any shirts that seemed to be cut just a little too low were thrown out or will only be worn on a weekend. This was all done by her choice.
October 17, 2007 at 2:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Flips (anonymous) says...
I was raised that I should live so long to ever get into trouble at school!
It would have been one million times worse to deal with when I got home/ IF I had gotten into trouble at school!!!!!!!
Just 'THAT LOOK" from my parents & my first & middle name used together /put the fear of death in me!!!!!!!!!! And snapping of fingers & my first & middle name used together------were enough to cause night mares & the hair to stand up on the back of my neck!!!!!!
I agree rules & laws should BEGIN AT HOME!!!!!!!
Then there is less chance of problems else where!!!!!!!!!
And authority should be supported by the parents!
The girl did wrong & she should be punished & we should all support the school system for standing up for what is right!
And open-eyes you totally cracked me up with this quote:
"I sure wish some gangs had adopted bell-bottoms and the "dry look" poofy hair back in my school days. That way those could have been banned and my yearbook pictures wouldn't look so goofy now...."
We must have the same goofy looking HS pictures!!!!! LOL
October 17, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
kstrebuchet, i think you are the whopping had an unintended effect on you ,you should be the next superintendent of our schools !! lol
October 17, 2007 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
rami, you should be very proud of your daughter and the way both she and you handled the situation. Kudos.
October 17, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EsqEB (anonymous) says...
In my day (early 90's) it was Chiefs and Raiders Starter coats. It would be 101 degrees out and you would see some moron walking around EMS with a big coat on, with his pants down around his knees. Maybe that's why they wore their pants like that, served as a form of air conditioning.
October 17, 2007 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wsrmy (anonymous) says...
I have personally dealt with Krissy and she is disrespectful of adults and other kids. She knows the clothing is gang related and proud of it. Her sister should be suspended as well. If Krissy wants to move to another school, good riddence, I say. One less disrespectful kid we have to deal with at EMS. That's directed to her father who has no clue what his daughter is up to.
October 17, 2007 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
I am pleased to see that there are finally some intelligent posts on here. open_eyes, there is a rule on the middle school website about not being allowed to wear pants low. I suppose I could have cut and paste that one on here yesterday too. And, yes, there are gangs in Emporia. My goodness, they have been there for years. Perhaps those who don't think there is a problem should get their heads out of the sand finally.
I am actually kind of glad that this story was posted in the Gazette. It finally gives us all the proof exactly how most of our children act these days. Maybe now, instead of cheering these trouble making children along, more people will stand up and do something to change it.
And two last comments, then I am done. To those kids who were on here cheering this girl along, go to your rooms and do your homework already. And Ks, I agree with you totally. Go ahead and swat their little behinds once in a while. Bravo to those parents who still do an occasional swat to discipline the kids when they are bad!
October 17, 2007 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
LOL Tre and EsqEB.
Class of 1961 here. (Okay, okay, cut out the laughing!) I was educated by nuns with yardsticks! Worked too. In high school, the vice principal gave swats with a board. I only knew one kid in my entire school experience to get suspended, and his father half killed him. Those were the good old days. My own kids got "the look" and that's all it took.
If Kristin thinks she can get away with her attitude at area schools, boy oh boy is she in for a big, fat surprise. Something tells me this little girl is one very spoiled child. Take a closer look at your kids, dad, keep an eye on what they're up to.
October 17, 2007 at 5:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
yes its a good thing this came up in the gazette,instead of hearing whispered gossip about gangs in emporia, considering who some of the 7 th graders are at ems, i wonder they are expected to be the leading edge of a larger juvenile problem in town.judging by the way the middle school kids in my neighbor hood act and dress, they may wind up being the reason for xtra security in the schools and a few kids being taken out of emporia schools since some folks are leary about the gossip about gangs. i have a hard time calling kids this young gang, it makes them sound more criminal than they are capable of. also, why cant the schools post on the powerschool site, signs so we can watch for and changes in the dress code? yes, kstrebuchet, im a little messed up , not inthat way though. you have a good sense of humor and you are the perfect canidate for school superintedent. and for the schools, quit sending kids to time out and out of school suspensions,punish them and send them back to class for the education they need and deserve!!!
October 17, 2007 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EsqEB (anonymous) says...
Create,
Class of '61? I feel bad for arguing with you in other forums now! I should respect my elders more! :)
The world will give this young lady and her parents a big slap in the face eventuallly, too bad for us that it too will not be on the front page of the Gazette.
October 17, 2007 at 7:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
There's nothing like a good argument, EsqEB, elder notwithstanding. I'll be taking a bit of heat over that for awhile, I'm sure, but that's okay. I earned my place in the world. :)
You're right, the world will not be kind to this kid and her family if they continue to enable her attitude.
I agree with slipandslide. This article has opened up the valuable larger discussion with regard to kids and attitudes and gangs, etc. I remember years ago when the late Bobby Jo Rodriques, our police chief then, held a public meeting about gangs in Emporia. Few people attended, and those who did attend denied that gangs existed here. He had hard evidence that gangs did indeed exist, but no one wanted to believe it. Too bad. The situation hasn't improved.
Speaking of attitudes, I saw a young girl of about 14 walking down the street in front of my house the other day. She was smoking. "Young Lady," I said, "are you old enough to be smoking?" I can't repeat here what she told me. I would have been so embarrassed to speak to anyone that way when I was that age. Shoot, when I am THIS age.
October 17, 2007 at 7:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
xlmexicanlx (anonymous) says...
LET IT!
October 17, 2007 at 9:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
xlmexicanlx (anonymous) says...
Kstrebuchet...PROVE IT!
October 17, 2007 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
What in the world is this person talking about? Let it? Prove it? Who, what, where, when? LOL
October 17, 2007 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BABiiGURL (anonymous) says...
MAN ONLY x|mexican|x and me know thiz stuff ok so u older people stay out of it..except my mom and dad your cool =]
October 17, 2007 at 9:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
Yeah, why aren't you in bed already, instead of playing around on the computer? Don't you have classes to be at bright and early?
October 17, 2007 at 9:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
Geez, all the minors are definitely NOT proving their points over here.
M
October 17, 2007 at 9:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
MelissaE: They really aren't, are they? Seems to me they are only adding fuel to the fire, and making it worse on themselves. A simple saying pops into my head here.. "Children should be seen and not heard." Very old fashioned, I am aware of this. But, in some cases, it really should apply, don't you think? And they are just proving to me that not only are they in need of strict discipline, a firm hand whooping their butts once in a while, but they are also proving to me that they cannot speak properly... and this is what we get to look forward to for the rest of our lives. "Ain't it the coolest? Y'all are a bunch a friggin morons" (This is what society has taught them is ok, sad isn't it?)
October 17, 2007 at 10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigearl2 (anonymous) says...
Gangs are here and they will continue to grow until more concern parents get involved ! The old saying that it takes a Village to raise a child. This means that we all must get involved. If we only try to help our own kids and not reach out in the community , your child will be affected some way some how. We can easily complain about our youth here in Emporia . But the question is "What are doing to make our community better for other kids here in Emporia ?
You can change the clothes but it does not erase the problem ! Too many kids trying to raise themselves.
October 17, 2007 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigearl2 (anonymous) says...
If kids fail to graduate from High School , what are their options ?
October 17, 2007 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigearl2 (anonymous) says...
Fathers , WE NEED TO STEP UP AND BE MEN !!! Too many of us are not doing what we should be doing ! I pray that we begin to have better communication with our children especially our sons, before we lose them to Gangs and drugs !
October 17, 2007 at 11:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Brooke (anonymous) says...
MelissaE........it's that sense of entitlement many have today. They don't get it that freedom of speech is not the right to say or do anything they want. Adults and kids alike often think that it means they can break any rule they want instead of working within the system to change what they don't agree with. That is the freedom our military is giving us as they relinquish theirs.
October 18, 2007 at 6:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
i agree with class of 61 values and self disipline are not instilled in the kids today, our tax dollars will be supporting them when their lack of the above causes them to be dependant adults. as for the police man who tried to educate the public on gang activities, where is that now? i went to alot of trouble trying to find that info within the community and on the net with very little success. arent we already paying for some of it with the constant vandalism in town? breakins, car burglaries, a bigger court house and more corrections workers to handle the little twerps? a friend of mine answered the door at nite last summer and was punched three times in the face by a young mexican boy who was dressed in a ski mask and heavy coat, that wasnt in the paper either, is this the type of thing we will all have to learn to live with in emporia? the boy was too young to pack a punch so my friend wasnt injured, but still? if you want to see a small sample of emporias throw away kids, spend some time near the computers at the public library during after school hours and see how many are using the place as a free daycare. especially in the cold months when the kids want to stay warm instead of wondering aimlessly around town.i cant count how many neighbor kids ive had over the years that come here looking for meals and a place to hang out with my kids cause their parents wont take care of them or they put them outside every day and tell them not to come back until the end of the day.im talking about kids under ten years old who have not buiness trying to raise themselves and need to be in a safe place instead of looking like a stray animal sitting outside for hours.the social services are hard on kids so i never call them, just keep letting the current unfortunate kid in to play with mine. my youngest is now old enough, his friends are finally old enough to wander around town bythemselves so we have finally been able to free ourselves of neighbor kids who cling to use for security. why cant the community develope programs where these kids can watch tv eat meals get help with homework and have a safe place to stay. there no way to make these kind of parents act like parents,so why cant we as a community provide something like this?
October 18, 2007 at 7:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
kristen, take your self and your siblings back to school where you are surrounded by adults who care about your future, learn from your teachers, not your friends, so you can be the raising star that you can be.you are smart kids that can grow up to be success stories and have good lives.
October 18, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
EsqEB (anonymous) says...
I am guessing Babiigurl is Kristen. And from the looks of her spelling and grammar, she needs to get back into school asap. Otherwise, in 4 - 5 years she is going to look just adorable wearing that sweatshirt over her Burger King uniform.
October 18, 2007 at 9:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Pollyanna (anonymous) says...
Middle school years for so many students is a confusing and crazy time. Kids are trying to express themselves, but not TOO much (still gotta try to fit in)! They are pushing the line to see how far it will go with parents, schools, friends and teachers. So many on this post have reiterated the need for strong parenting. Kids need to know parents have their backs and best interest at heart yet provide a firm hand and discipline, rules and guidance. Being a parent today is no easy task. Like any parent, I struggle to maintain this balance. Personally I don't think Corporal Punishment is the answer in schools. And yes, I have spanked my kids but if anyone is going to spank them, I'd rather have that punishment come from me and not the school.
Kstrebuchet mentioned earlier that the problem wi th spanking as they get older is some "kinda like 'em". I laughed when I read it and know it was a joke, however it made me think how effective it is spanking a middle schooler? I know in my home it lost it's luster after about age 6 or 7. Also some people may not believe/understand that the implications of let's say a grown man using a paddle on a 7th grade female..can you all see the implications of, oh, let's say sexual harassment there? While spanking seems the easy out, it never is. We owe our kids better means of discipline.
Personally I think this whole issue with the jacket has gotten way out of hand. Middle school kids are dealing with way more pressing things like drinking, drugs, sex and relationship drama. Anyone read the school board vote in Maine to allow birth control pills to middle school age girls? Enjoy!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/TurningPoint...
October 18, 2007 at 10:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
I think that King Middle School should be an example to every other middle & high school out there.
Stop teaching "abstinence only" because IT DOESN'T WORK. If it did, nobody would have an unwanted pregnancy.
Speaking of, check out the Topeka Capital Journal and their "condom controversy":
http://cjonline.com/stories/101807/lo...
I think this quote sums up my feelings:
"Carson wasn't surprised the condoms were removed because "of how conservative USD 501 politics are....."
M
October 18, 2007 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MelissaE (anonymous) says...
One more thing:
YAY for the liberal states!
M (just moved out of Maine last year, and I wish I could go back)
October 18, 2007 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephsassy (anonymous) says...
I've been reading all of these comments,
Wow!!, has anyone stop to think. this is a child, Not my child but someones, I now live in Topeka, But born and raised in Emporia.. So I know what it's about,
and like everyone posting comments on this page.. I'm sure you tried someone in your life, I worked with teenagers in need of care, Guess what people the things you are saying about this child, and her family will stay with her for the rest of her life, We all need to STOP WITH THE COMMMENTS AND LET THE SCHOOL DEAL WITH IT, YOU talk about freedom of speak, that comes with all ages, I just ask that everyone that has written, Stop and check your own back yard, and ask where my children perfect, If you had any..
14 remember this is a child,
October 18, 2007 at 1:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporialifer (anonymous) says...
It's so nice to see the adults on this site can agree on this issue of disrespecting authority and consequences for actions. You all made great points! I was also frightened by the one post that found logic in this girl's action because celebrities misbehave. Apparently they missed the part where those celebrities got into trouble as well - I guess that should have taught them that everyone has to deal with the consequences of their own actions. It was pretty obvious when the middle schoolers got online wasn't it? Melissa - I too found myself cringing at the bad use of the English language. Bringing back corporal punishment wouldn't bother me - I can remember my parents having a "swatter" and guess what was printed on it "Board of Education" - it sure was! :)
October 18, 2007 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Respectfully, I'm not all that "yeah" for the liberal states.
Vermont constantly has judges giving repeat child molesters & child rapists light or no sentences.
San Francisco wants to make "safe" drug havens, places where addicts can go and safely take drugs without reprecussions.
Liberal states thumb their nose at Federal law and provide safe havens for illegal immigrants.
Things are getting out of hand... :(
October 18, 2007 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lycomu (anonymous) says...
"liberal" states do not violate federal law. There are no states with enough money to do as they wish. All states rely heavily on federal funding. No state can or does risk the loss of that funding. Here is my take on this situation
The Middle school is fearful of gangs in their school. They produce policy to prohibit the wearing of gang related clothes. The child (and parents) is told this, wears the banned clothes, is told again, wears the clothes to school again and is suspended. We can all argue the merits of the clothing policy. We can throw insults towards the child, the parents, the school, the system. We can argue liberal versus conservative, old versus new, safety in the schools versus freedom of speech, but in the end, the simple fact remains; the child violated school policy. Unless this was our child, or we are the school admiistrator, this conversation about this incident should be over.
October 18, 2007 at 2:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LilJHawkFan (anonymous) says...
I agree with the people on here who say that kids should be taught to respect authority. It's just a sweatshirt. If the worst thing that happens to this kid is someone asking her to not wear a sweatshirt, then her life is going to be great! If schools are supposed to prepare kids for the workforce, then they need to enforce dress codes. The places we work have them, and if we wish to work there we have to adhere by them. I think the father is in the wrong, and the daughter unfortunately is learning her life skills from someone who is probably not the best role model.
October 18, 2007 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
swats in school were a good deterrent, not because they were painful, ( i heard they only stung for a little while) they prevented other kids from the temptation of breaking rules,going along with the crowd or otherwise disregarding authority. it mainly prevented kids from manipulating the rules, over running the schools.how many kids have gotten into things they shouldnt be into or become parents at an early age because of the out of school suspensions, early day outs, frequent days off, so many that no parent can possible hold down a job and provide adult supervision every time the kids are home during school hours. the school should punish them either by confiscating banned clothing for the day, using seventh hours for study time or swat their rears, and send them back to class where they can quit lossing time at school and get the education every kids deserves. the schools have had three days off this month and late starts on tuesdays. there is nothing sexual about swatting a girl,have a secretary in the room as witness that nothing sexual happened and send the kid back to class.
October 18, 2007 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Emporialifer:
I am curious about part of your post where you said, "I was also frightened by the one post that found logic in this girl's action because celebrities misbehave."
I think you may mean what I said in my post. What I said was, " Oh my, yes, let's all pattern ourselves after spoiled brat celebrities who thumb their noses at the law."
I just thought I'd better tell you that I was being sarcastic. Sorry, I didn't mean to frighten you. :)
October 18, 2007 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporian (anonymous) says...
If I screwed up in school it wasnt the getting in trouble at school I was worried about, it was the spanking I was gonna get from my folks when I got home. Only took one time and I learned pretty quickly. Too bad that is considered barbaric now days. I would solve alot of problems.
October 18, 2007 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporian (anonymous) says...
Thats supposed to read It would solve alot of problems.
October 18, 2007 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
lycomu - I agree with all in your latest post except about the liberal states. I realize this is slightly off topic, so I will try not to get off on a tangent after this. But they do and are currently defying federal law. Many cities have openly declared themselves "safe haven" cities for illegal immigrants in direct defiance of federal laws. City council boards have directly told law enforcement agencies to defy the laws. A judge in San Francisco has recently ruled against a recently passed FEDERAL law that will send out notices to employers who have employees who's SSN's do not match their database, and give them 60 or 90 days to correct the situation. Doesn't matter if they can or can't survive without federal funding, because anytime they thumb their nose at the federal government, they get away with it and nothing is done. I'm still waiting for a presidential candidate that will publicly state that any state or city that openly defies federal law like that will have their federal funding cut off, but it "ain't happening". Feds pass a law, 80% of the people are in favor of it, and 1 liberal judge throws it out.
America is no longer a democracy where the majority rule.
Judges do as they please, city boards do as they please, and the feds have no teeth to enforce it.
October 18, 2007 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigearl2 (anonymous) says...
Supporters of dress codes or uniform policies have compiled a long list of the perceived advantages of standardized dress in the classroom.The list can be shortened to four basic benefits:
1.Enhanced school safety
2.Improved learning climate
3.Higher self-esteem for students
4.Less stress on the family
After the Columbine shootings, a certain stigma was attached to students wearing black trench coats, all black clothing, or black lipstick and eye shadow. Many school dress codes banned black clothing and makeup. Ronald Stephens, executive director of the National School Safety Center, stated, “In the wake of school shootings, communities and schools are much more willing to embrace uniforms as well as a number of other strategies to enhance student safety”
Enhanced Performance
Students who feel safe, secure, and free from threats of violence naturally perform better academically. Enhancing academic performance is another argument in favor of adopting dress codes or uniform policies.
Proponents believe that dress codes in general and uniforms in particular help students focus on their schoolwork, instead of on what they and others are wearing.
Peer Pressure
Dressing for success is a practice witnessed not only in the office but also in the classroom. A flair for fashion has always paid big dividends. Clothes do make the man, or woman. “Middle school students can sometimes be cruel. If a child does not have the ‘right’ brand or style of clothing, students can make life very difficult for that student” .
By removing the status that clothing labels accord some children, a uniform becomes a great equalizer. A uniform also conceals the income of a child’s family, thus eliminating another mark of distinction or shame. An attractive uniform promotes school spirit and good self-image, just as athletic team uniforms promote spirit and unity. By eliminating the preoccupation of status brought about by dress, proponents say, students can find more productive and creative outlets to express their individualism.
Family Values
When dress codes or uniform policies are instituted, many families realize an immediate benefit: not having to buy so many expensive clothes for their fashion-conscious children. Some comparisons show that the cost of uniforms is significantly less than the cost of the latest fashions.
Many parents also welcome dress codes and uniforms because they bring added peace to the home. If what their children wear to school is predetermined, it becomes one less battle to fight in the morning.
October 18, 2007 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
hogan77, thanks for the info on the middle school rule. How about the high school, does it have the same rule regarding wearing pants low?
And, yes, those who do not think there are gangs in Emporia truly do have their head in the sand. I remember some years ago when apparently there was a gang "thing" to wear a pacifier around your neck, different colors for different gangs. I saw a kid about 15 or so walking thru a parking lot sucking on his pacifier. He looked like such an idiot. But maybe that was the point of it, wanting to provoke something as an excuse for violence, who knows...
October 18, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
the part about being a rising star wasnt meant to attach the negative behavior of recent celebrities to this girl. all kids want to grow up to be someone and the burton kids are no exeption to that. they need to follow the good role models in their lives instead of listening to the others so they can make something of themselves later. this has been a great forum i hope the community can do somethings to improve the lives of some of the kids here. wanted to clarify that part that rising star means growing up to be someone important.
October 18, 2007 at 6:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Renegade (anonymous) says...
If it WALKS like a duck, and LOOKS like a duck, it probably IS a duck!!!! or...someone that WANTS to be a duck......
My point is...if kids are allowed to wear gang related clothing, and, defy authority to wear it, they are probably a Gang Member, or a "wanna be".
I am a female, and I worked with Communites Against Drugs and Gangs in Southern California, for years.
SMART kids don't want to be mistaken for a Gang Member, if they aren't...and SMART parents don't encourage their kids to dress like a Gang member....period.
I have seen kids in Elementary school wearing Gang related clothing because their parents thought it was cute....It's not cute..It's dangerous!!!!!
I totally support the school for their decision on this issue.
October 18, 2007 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
open_eyes: Here is the dress code from the High School website...
1. Dress and grooming will be clean and in keeping with health, sanitary and safety requirements.
2. Footwear must be worn by all students (socks do not constitute footwear).
3. Any wearing of apparel advertising tobacco, liquor or illegal drugs is not acceptable dress.
4. Any wearing of apparel with derogatory messages, profanity, sexual innuendoes, or gang-related significance is not acceptable school dress.
5. Any jewelry, accessory, notebook, or manner of grooming which by virtue of its color, arrangement, trademark, or any other attribute denotes membership in a gang or advocates drug use, violence, or disruptive behavior is prohibited. This includes sagging and excessively baggy pants, jeans, or short by anyone.
6. Bare midriffs, revealing clothing of any type, inappropriately short skirts or shorts are not permitted.
7. Hats and/or headgear (hair rollers, hairnets, bandannas, picks, combs, hair coverings, headbands worn on the forehead) are not to be worn inside the school building, nor may they be in the students’ possession in the classroom.
8. Sunglasses and dark glasses, unless prescription, are considered inappropriate attire.
Please check out rule #5. As you can tell, they do specifically say no baggy pants, AND no gang related items in any form. Hope that is helpful as well :)
Again, I personally think that the school district should adopt the idea of uniforms. Give them white polos, khaki pants, black unmarked shoes. Then just sit back and see if it helps out a little.
October 18, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephsassy (anonymous) says...
Just because you wear clothing with a crowns on it DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE IN A GANG!!
I think everybody in Emporia needs to STOP, talking DOWN on others and talk to your school board, Give it a rest.
She is a 14 year old girl, and she tested her Principal, She was suspended from school, then the dad starts to question why the crown it connected to a gang,
and now there is so many people that KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT GANGS, But I moved from Emporia in 1993, and that is one reason, GANGS WERE TAKING OVER THEN so please don't act like, this is the first time you are hearing of gangs in Emporia. The town of Emporia can't handle it!!, I look at it like this Doesn't no one in Emporia run this family's house, pay their bills, nor do they have to roll over and look them in the face. If they don't want to, So let the School board take it over and worry about your own children because the next one to try and make a point could be your child!!!
and with some of the things I've seen written on here I pray that SOME APPLES, FALL FAR FROM THE TREES.. THAT ARE RAISING THEM... And by the way at 14 I might have been this child, But now that I'm grown, I look back at some things I did at that age and PROUD I"M NOT , but this Kristin don't have to be shot down like this, By GROWN MEN AND WOMAN...As for me , Now I have my own business and I'm very happy, married with kids, that are so much like me but not in trouble at school..LOL 2 already graduated 2 left.. So guess what FLOKS OF EMPORIA !! NOT EVERYONE THAT, Makes bad decision's at that age will grow up to be NOTHING!!!, GIVE THEM A BREAK... maybe some of you that are spending so much time writing on here can type up the new list of banned clothing, since it seems to change so much..
PLEASE put YOUR finger to uses in a POSITIVE WAY!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!
October 18, 2007 at 8:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
open_eyes (anonymous) says...
Thanks for the info, hogan77.
Stephsassy - Yes, we've all made bad decisions in our youth (and adulthood!), and not everyone that makes a bad decision turns out to be nothing (or NONE of us would be ANYTHING today!!! :) - but what needs to be done is not to ignore the bad decision. Take action. Raise awareness. Get people involved. That's what we're using our fingers for on this forum. Yes, some people may seem overly harsh, and some people aren't harsh enough. Opinions will cover both ends of the spectrum. But that will happen with any subject.
But speaking of harshness, I can't count the number of people I've came in contact with, who, as they got older and their lives were messed up, have mentioned that they wished their parents had been more strict and harsh with them in their youth. What may seem over the top to a kid for a small time in their youth can be far, far outweighed by the negative consequences over a lifetime as a result of not taking action.
Glad things turned out good for you, and congratulations.
October 18, 2007 at 8:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephsassy (anonymous) says...
MY parent was REALLY HARSH!! but that's not to say that I wouldn't have done it anyway.. that was why, when I got out , I wanted to act out, but your right what works for some doesn't always work for all, But we all learn from our mistakes, I just hope this mistake doesn't hurt the child that made it.. Thank you..
October 18, 2007 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporialifer (anonymous) says...
create - thanks for the concern, but you didn't frighten me - I read your sarcasm. It was a different poster (and I believe younger poster) that made a connection that if Paris Hilton, etc. can misbehave, why can't young kids. The point I was trying to make is the kids are seeing all these celebrities and their bad behavior, but perhaps what kids are not realizing is that these celebrities DO have consequences as well.
October 19, 2007 at 1:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporialifer (anonymous) says...
Create - Here is the post I was referring to (cut and pasted from her post):
Posted by BABiiGURL (anonymous) on October 16, 2007 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well to begin with this little thing here. This girl Krissy has a reason to do what she choose to do. This is a free country, I mean yeah sure we have a few rules here and there. Im sure when Mr. Perkarek and all the other teachers and parents who do not want to agree with this action, I'm sure that when they were young and attending school that they did not go by the dress code(if there even was one). So why are they expecting a whole school of 7th and 8th graders to follow the same rule. And I'm really sure that even our own President didnt follow the rules. If you would pay attention to whats going on in our world you would recognize that there is alot of famous people that are not even doing everything their supposed to do. For example: Paris Hilton..you all know what she has done.
I felt like the logic in that post was that because everyone else breaks rules, kids should be allowed to break rules too (like when she says how can they expect a whole school of 7th & 8th graders to follow the dress code). Point being - yes, everyone has broken a rule, but break a rule and expect consequences - don't be upset when you get the consequences your actions deserved.
October 19, 2007 at 2:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
is anyone up to the idea of having a meeting to further discuss dress codes, school saftey, discipline issues within the schools? maybe we could use a meeting room at the public library, the rec center or the lunch room at the middle school? we could use our energy to raise public awareness of school saftey and gang activities in emporia, .if anyone is interested, i can call around and find a meeting room.
October 19, 2007 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
admireed (anonymous) says...
Let us spend $10,000 to bring in an expert to direct the discussion. That is the educational way
October 19, 2007 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
yeah, but we dont have ten grand. anybody up tohaving a meeting?
October 19, 2007 at 5:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Bigearl2 (anonymous) says...
I would come!
October 19, 2007 at 5:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
emporialifer,
Thanks for cutting out the post. Yes, that's the one that curdled my blood when I read it. That's the one the proves why this young lady needs to stay in school.
open_eyes,
The answer you gave stephsassy was right on target, particularly about taking action and raising awareness.
To stephsassy:
One reason there have been so many posts on this thread is because people are genuinely concerned about what happens in our schools and in our town. People who post here are not going to sit idly by when youngsters "test the principal" as you say. This is our town, and we contribute to its support therefore we have a stake in what goes on, even in the schools when kids like Kristin misbehave the way she did. We must remain aware. Nazi Germany had its share of citizens who minded their own business as millions were being hauled away on trains. No thank you, this is my town, I support that school with my tax dollars, and I will stay involved. It is my business!
October 19, 2007 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
slipandslide,
I would definitely come to the meeting.
October 19, 2007 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rami (anonymous) says...
I care about the kids' safety, I care about my community and I care about the quality of education IN my community so it is my business too!
I would attend a meeting.
October 19, 2007 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hartford (anonymous) says...
hogan77:
Where did you go to school? It IS all about fashion for a lot of the kids. You ask why her dad buys the expensive clothes? Well, because he can! When we as adults buy expensive cars to drive to work, does it have anything to do with how we do our job? NO! It doesn't! You say kids are there for the learning, yes that is 100% true. We are at out jobs to provide for our families, and to make a living. Does it matter what car is sitting out in the parking lot that got us there? No, it really shouldn't. Society as a whole is to blame. Our kids learn from us. You can blame her dad if you want, but the big picture is we are all guilty of wanting to show what we have.
October 19, 2007 at 7:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hartford (anonymous) says...
MelissaE:
Why would you even speculate she has a cell phone, or a computer in her room, OR no chores? Who CARES! What differance does that make? I was in church last week, and the young boy in the pew in front of me was texting during church! He couldn't have been a day older than 10 yrs old. Should I assume he has a computer in his room, should I speculate this kids is sitting on his butt doing nothing? I could, but HOW DARE ME!!!!!
You are right in one aspect though, she was told once, then she disobeyed. One the other hand. the school district needs to cover their butts and make all rules written in black and white (No I am not being racial) (LOL) Why set themselves up for anything. Yes, I can see rules needing to be updated through out the school year, but doing it the right way USD 253!
October 19, 2007 at 7:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
dont forget,she could have turned the jacket inside out while she was at school, and been allowed to keep wearing it, but she wanted to be rebellious. i will get busy monday and call around to find a meeting room. im not the best at organizing groups or being a leader, im mainly hoping someone else in the group will pick up the ball and run with it. this is an important issue, and from what i can tell there have been posts by teachers, a social worker, a corrections worker, and at least three very insightful men. if i have sized anyone up wrong, please don t be offended.
October 19, 2007 at 11:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephsassy (anonymous) says...
thought they couldn't wear jackets in school?
October 20, 2007 at 11:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stephsassy (anonymous) says...
To hogan 77
Thank You,
that point was GREAT!!!
October 20, 2007 at 11:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
they can turn the jackets inside out to hide the logos. i dont think they can have the jackets in the classroom and the lockers are too small for coats, at least they are too small for the ones i get my kids, maybe that is why so many of the kids go to school on cold days with light weight jackets or no jackets at all. i try to keep hoodies and sweatshirts for mine to wear so they can stuff them inside the lockers always, the heavy weight coats i buy wind up lost or left at home cause they dont think they have room for them in the lockers. they come up missing because they lay them down somewhere and forget them
October 20, 2007 at 12:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
hartford...
You said "Where did you go to school? It IS all about fashion for a lot of the kids. You ask why her dad buys the expensive clothes? Well, because he can! When we as adults buy expensive cars to drive to work, does it have anything to do with how we do our job? NO! It doesn't! You say kids are there for the learning, yes that is 100% true. We are at out jobs to provide for our families, and to make a living. Does it matter what car is sitting out in the parking lot that got us there? No, it really shouldn't. Society as a whole is to blame. Our kids learn from us. You can blame her dad if you want, but the big picture is we are all guilty of wanting to show what we have."
I have a comment to make on that. Yes, you are correct. Society is to blame. But don't you think that we, as the society, can change that? Is it REALLY that important to flaunt your clothes, car, house, etc? When you die, no one really cares what you had, they care about whether you were a good person or not. Instead of flaunting ourselves.. why don't we, as a society, try spending that extra money on good causes. Causes that will help less fortunate people be able to purchase or receive all those things we take for granted every day like food, shelter, electricity, a warm winter coat, or a decent education? If every parent would try doing that, we would be showing our children that we can make a difference, with just a little sacrifice on our ends.
And so you know, I was born in Emporia, went to school at Logan Avenue, then Lowther Middle School, and then Emporia High for 2 years. It was after my second year of high school that my mother decided to move me out of state, and into a stronger educational system. I have never been more happy that she did that. Emporia schools are fair, as I have heard of worse. But they still have a long way to go. I am currently living my life in Southwest Kansas, I have taken my own child to a smaller community where I have researched the schools, and know she will get the best education I can possibly provide her at this point in her life. There are times I would love nothing more than to buy all of those expensive things and help my daughter fit in better. I know there is more than half of my community that bases it's opinion of me on what I drive, where I live, and what we wear. But you know, I decided when my daughter started 2nd grade that it really wasn't worth it to try to do that. Instead, I took it upon myself to get involved with Girl Scouts, to try and make a difference. I spend an hour and a half each week trying to teach a small handful of girls that there are more important things in life than appearances or fancy things. I teach them that making a difference in our community and in the lives of others is far more important. I keep with me the high hope that the work I do with these 20 some girls will be enough to make a difference all over the world, even if in a small way.
October 20, 2007 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
for anyone who is still reading this and is interested, patrick kelley ran another short story on this and there is a thread going with that one , similar to this one. on the left side of the page, click on opinions, then click on defusing a minefield to read the other posts. where is this quiet little town in sw kansas? i might be loading up my kids and looking for a quiet place for them LOL
October 20, 2007 at 6:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
hogan 77,
I enjoyed reading your post. You are absolutely right about too many people being concerned about appearances. Not enough substance.
I taught for many years, 21 to be exact, and even in a small school, there are those who identify themselves with the best clothes, best cars, best this, best that. Unfortunately, they also look down on those whose families cannot afford to buy all the best stuff. You can guess where they learn that attitude. I always had such disdain for those who mistreated others with their snotty opinions and cliques.
More valuable than any expensive wardrobe is a good education that teaches kids to think critically about a lot of things, the least of which is treating others well.
Good luck to you and your daughter and your Girl Scouts. Both my girls were involved through high school.
October 20, 2007 at 7:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
slipandslide: We are about 30 miles east of Dodge City. It is kind of barren out here, not a lot of trees like Emporia, and the winds can get fierce at times, but I wouldn't give this life up for anything! As a community, we do all sorts of things that families can get involved in. Hamburger feeds, chili suppers at the churches, Christmas activities, fireworks shows on the 4th, and even a small fair. Everyone knows who you are. There are times when we have more "prominent" people snub you for what you don't have, but I would much rather be considered one of those people with less material items, and a bigger heart anyway :) And that runs into create's comment. Yes, we still have those that are more concerned with material possessions than anything else... it is a given about everywhere you go. But it takes an extremely strong individual to go above and beyond that, and be a better person than them. There are other ways of showing people you are worthy of their attention. I like to think I have found that, with what I do with the girls in my community. I like to think that some day, they will remember what I have taught them and be extraordinary individuals that make a difference and pass it on to their own children :) And a good education is an absolute plus if you are to get anywhere in life. I work at a convenience store in my town, not because I have to, but because I chose to help out my boss, who was very short handed. And perhaps someday, I will even be the boss... and someone will be as kind and thoughtful as to be there for me.
October 20, 2007 at 9:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
the world really needs more people like you, seems like in the rush to have the most toys, its easy to forget the value of family and community. emporia still has alot of the good folks, always ready to better the community, but as you can see it will be seeing changes in the future and as more businesses come here and the population grows, some of that will be lost, all in the name of progress.
October 20, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hartford (anonymous) says...
hogan77:
Yes I think we as a society can change it, but it isn't going to happen over night. Your ideas about spending on good causes and no flaunting what we have sounds great! I just don't see that happening. I am trying real hard not be so negative about this but my kids went to a small school south of here, 10 miles south of here to be exact. Most of their classmates lived in a house that has money. My youngest came home upset many times. And that is all I am going to say about that! ( I didn't mean to sound like Forest Gump just then. LOL!) I hope things work out for you out west. I gew up in sw kansas. The best of luck!
October 21, 2007 at 12:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
Thank you slipandslide and hartford. Even though I am not there to personally help out, I wish the two of you the best of luck, and hope your voices are heard! Have a wonderful weekend!
October 21, 2007 at 12:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rami (anonymous) says...
I know what it was like being one of those families that didn't have much. My mom raised 4 girls on her own and we didn't get the nice clothes or have as much nice things to play with as other kids. My mom taught us that all we needed was our imagination.
I got looked down on alot but I didn't care, that was their problem not mine.
As a mother, I refuse to pay alot of money for an article of clothing for any of my children....not because we can't afford it, but because fashion is so fickle that it could be cool one month but not the next. I don't buy my children all the toys they want because I want them to use their imaginations, just as I did as a child.
Hopefully, when I one day have grandchildren, my kids will raise them the same way. Just because you have something doesn't mean you have to flaunt it.
October 21, 2007 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogan77 (anonymous) says...
I completely understand rami. There is nothing more valuable to a child than their imagination. It provides them creativity. I, too, was one of those kids that had to use their imagination. Even the simplest things... like making a mud pie using an old plastic bowl and a garden trowel. Or climbing on the "dirt hills" in my old trailer court.. and using them as a mountain or a fort. The possibilities are endless.
October 21, 2007 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
we also got a backyard education, not many toys, but lots of siblings and relatives to play with, we were never bored and there where a few years we didnt even have tv. its hard listening to a hurt kid when they have been teased in school and know they have to go back to it the next day. the other kids will be in for a surprise later in life they realize their friends where only there for the cool things or they find that they need to flaunt their money to have a social life. im still looking to see what i can do for a meeting, eventually something will come together.
October 21, 2007 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
It's good to look back once in awhile. I'm glad you guys brought this up. Luckily we lived on the edge of town when my kids were growing up. I saved and saved and finally bought them a horse and a used saddle. They had to do chores for the feed and hay, and turned an old garage into a barn. They had to share work and horseback rides. They still talk about that horse today. Their memories are rich.
October 21, 2007 at 7:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
xlmexicanlx (anonymous) says...
wow u guyz...why dont u just like uhmmm u kno tell the ppl wat u think in their faces instead of here..im not doin it cuz i'll lose the battle lol and i dont want them to be like.."ohh u kno wat well uniforms here we come " cuz uniforms will suck giant huevos if u kno wat i mean..
October 21, 2007 at 11:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporian (anonymous) says...
I think you should worry less about uniforms and more on your school work after trying to read that.
October 22, 2007 at 12:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
siamesefred (anonymous) says...
Folks, our age is showing. xlmexicanlx is talking text-speak.
Ever seen the commercial (Verizon?) where everyone -- even Grandma -- is talking in text shorthand. MBFF Rose for My Best Friend Forever Rose, etc.
Scary thing is... even if we don't write that way, we could still decipher it.
October 22, 2007 at 7:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Okay folks, here's the REALLY scary thing. Until recently, I taught English for a living. For the past few years, I noticed that text speak had begun showing up in some students' writing. This included such verbal pauses as "uhmmmmm" and "ohhhhh." When graded down for it, they became very upset. They honestly believed that text speak is the language of the future, and should therefore be an acceptable type of communication. In my classroom? NO WAY. If I saw text speak, I didn't read it; I just gave it an F. Not only must students learn to use their language effectively, there is also a state assessment for writing. It is usually given in the tenth or eleventh grade.
xlmexicanlx: You are telling us that we should tell people what we think in their faces. Tell you what. You tell me where you are and I will. Until then, quit using that horrid text speak on the forum; save it for your cell phone. You have made yourself sound and look incredibly ignorant. Start brushing up on your language, bub.
October 22, 2007 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
marebear14 (anonymous) says...
I have a daughter this age and if she were warned against wearing something to school and did it anyway she would be in trouble at home. We may not always agree with the school rules but we do support them. If the parents or students want to change somthing they should contact their school board representative, file a grievence and attend school board meetings to have their opions heard, and any parent that says they don't have time is just making excuses. I have a couple of jobs and go to school, I still am their for everything my kids do, attend school board meetings when needed, volunteer at my children's schools and stay involved. Basically if you want to be involved and want to know what's going on you will.
October 23, 2007 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
slipandslide (anonymous) says...
amen to that marebare14
October 24, 2007 at 12:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
Way to go, marebare14. You are the kind of parent that a successful student has. Too many parents are disconnected entirely.
October 24, 2007 at 3:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
imgone (anonymous) says...
To both ,dad and daughter. Grow up and follow the rules.Having been in law enforcement for almost 20 years I've seen what happens to those that don't. You can almost predict it.
October 25, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
momof2 (anonymous) says...
I purposely searched for something regarding the symbol of the crown used by South Pole due to the fact that my son was asked not to wear his hoodie (a black one identical to the one worn by the girl in the picture) because the crown represented gang affiliation. Please. That may be so but long before that the crown represented leadership and royalty. This world is letting the gangs take over by allowing or just handing them whatever they want. South Pole is not affiliated with gangs and neither is my son.
Just because he stood up for his daughter doesn't make him a bad parent. I would hate to be a child of those who don't have their children's back when others are making a big deal out of nothing. Her behavior prior to wearing the jacket did not get her noticed, so why should they assume that her jacket affilates her with a gang. This world truly is a sad place now for children. What happened to the days of the ones who got in trouble were those who actually did something and were not just singled out for what they were wearing. My son is a good student and I bought him the jacket. I see nothing wrong with it. I didn't think about gangs when I purchased it. I will continue to allow him to wear it. If they want him to have another one then they can go shopping with me to buy it. Until then he has my support completely in this.
October 26, 2007 at 2:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporialifer (anonymous) says...
momof2 - So you are supporting your child in defying authority? Surely you realize that not all parents are completely aware of what their children are getting themselves into (Columbine shooters, etc.). Do you think those kids' parents had any clue their sons were going to do what they did? The truth of the matter is parents really can't control their children (actually no one regardless of relations can control the actions of someone else), but they can try to teach them life lessons and lead them down the right path and offer consequences for their actions. School employees also cannot know exactly what every child is getting involved in (gangs, etc.), so as a SAFETY measure, the school has to create rules and the students are supposed to follow them. Don't try to tell me that there wouldn't be parents suing the school district if the school didn't have some of the rules in place and something bad happened to their child. So many people laugh at some of the rules/laws, but when it comes down to it - those had to be created because some moron out there got rich quick by suing over it.
I think parents should support their children, but not when their child is in the wrong - as this young lady clearly was.
October 26, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
momof2:
I just did a very quick search on the symbol of the crown and came up with tons of hits, many of which explain that the crown is indeed a symbol commonly used by gangs in California, in Florida, and in the midwest too. There are several types of crowns too, but crowns nonetheless.
Sorry momof2, I'm with the school on this. Plus, when you support your child in defying authority, what is your message? Might he one day be defying your authority too? Best to wear the hoodie at home or away from school. The school has a right to protect all children from harm even if that harm comes in the form of intimidating symbols and the individuals who wear them.
October 26, 2007 at 6:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
emporiahelper (anonymous) says...
Uniforms would def. clear alot of problems in schools. All schools in the US should wear them. Its not that bad and i wouldnt care to wear them.
October 27, 2007 at 12:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jaguar_chick_94 (anonymous) says...
i personally think that is wrong in so many ways if you think about it you can tell alot about a kid because there clothes are there individuality and if you take that away you might just take them away
May 6, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
create (anonymous) says...
I am a retired English teacher. Reading this last comment is like listening to fingernails being dragged down a chalkboard. There are two schools of thought on this. One, call the errors to the writer's attention and expect corrrection -- my preference. Two, let it stand; after all, the writer is communicating an idea.
May 7, 2008 at 6:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HaloRider (anonymous) says...
Wow. Some of you people are a bunch of morons. The way you dress is a RIGHT not a privilege. If you don't like it get out of my country. I wear these sweatshirts not knowing or caring what they mean. I live by my motto and you all should to. "I do what i please" I also wear what i please and have told teachers off before about several things. Is this country no longer the land of the free? I say teachers just need to deal with it.
December 23, 2008 at 10:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
methusla (anonymous) says...
To answer the question of whether there are gangs in Emporia ! The answer is absolutely YES ! To the casual observer, who may not know what to look for, the tell tale signs that someone may be a gang member is the kind of clothing that is worn and the way it is worn and yes the crown symbol on clothing is a gang symbol and an identifying mark to other gang members. Wearing the jeans or trousers in the what is called th "low rider" position is another gang identifier, A certain type of hair cut for the boys or men is another, such as what I understand is called a "rat tail" is one of many. The way a girl or woman wears her hair in a certain style as well as clothing or make up are also gang identifiers. A belt worn on the jeans or trousers that is extra long and how the loose end of the belt is situated is another identifier and the belt can also be used as a weapon.
The days of a basically gang free Emporia are long gone and what the law abiding citizens of Emporia will have to do is learn to identify the certain gang symbols, grafitti, identifiers and yes even the certain way a person may adorn or decorate his or her vehicle and even certain hand gestures and finger signs are even a gang language all its own. And the most serious thing is that these gangs that have been here a while and the new gangs coming to the U.S. and possibly Emporia are getting more bold and violent and believe the laws of the land don't apply to them.
So the best thing to do is try and educate yourself to the warning signs and symbols used by gangs and absolutely report any suspected gang activity to the authorities.
I don't know whether the local gang know as "the south side locos" are still active in Emporia, but I do know that they were an active gang in Emporia a few years back and their identifying graffiti was spray painted on numerous buildings, etc. around town, and their graffiti logo was "SSL" with other identifying symbols.
December 24, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )