Gov. Kelly

Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly puts on a mask after a news conference on June 22.

The Lyon County Commission opted to give residents the choice on whether or not to wear masks during a Thursday morning action session, as a statewide mandate that would require most Kansans to wear facial coverings in public spaces issued by Gov. Laura Kelly is set to go into effect 12:01 a.m. Friday.

The decision, Chairman Rollie Martin said, was based on the fact that the county's current Public Health Order is not set to expire until July 9 and — at the time of the meeting — the commissioners had not yet seen the verbiage of the governor's mandate. At this time, the county's rate of infection has slowed even as a resurgence has been seen around the state.

Public Health Office Renee Hively told commissioners she endorsed the governor's executive order as a tool to help mitigate the spread and avoid another shutdown. She recommended people mask up in public when social distancing at least 6-feet apart was not possible.

"We don't have much left in our toolbox," she said. "There's social distancing and mask wearing. Those are the only things we have left until we have a cure. So, it's prevention. I just ask that you take that into consideration. Those who can wear a mask should wear a mask. Those of us who can wear a mask, we can slow the spread of this."

Hively said she believed Lyon County's early mitigation strategies are what helped keep current numbers low. Jennifer Millbern, environmental health director and public health services director, told commissioners that when COVID-19 first appeared locally the major hubs for the disease were businesses. Now, with community spread, it's harder to pinpoint where people are contracting it and that makes contact tracing difficult.

"It's not related to the businesses," she said. "Most of the time it's related to what they are doing outside of work. Social gatherings, parties, going out to eat at restaurants and bars — that kind of thing."

Community spread on a wider scale is troubling, she said.

Commissioner Scott Briggs asked what the criteria was for laundering non-disposable cloth masks and Hively said information would be distributed on Lyon County Public Health's social media and web site. It is also available on the CDC's web site.

Millbern said it was important to remember the difference between employer-required face masks and cloth face masks.

"When we are wearing cloth face coverings, it's really to stop our respiratory droplets that potentially can contain virus from being spread in the air," she said. "When we're talking about the masks — the face coverings — that's a bandana, a scarf. Even a dirty face covering is better than no face covering. We are really just trying to stop the spread of the virus from getting airborne."

Martin said commissioners may call an emergency session if the situation changes to revisit the matter. At this time, however, the commission felt it was not necessary to enforce the full mandate.

"We are still going to be in the gathering of information process," Martin said. "We just don't have enough specific information [at this time.]"

^The mandate

Kelly's mandate was signed Thursday morning and released to the public, and is set to remain in place until the order is rescinded or the current statewide state of disaster expires — whichever comes first.

“The last few months have presented many new challenges for Kansans, and all of us want to return to our normal lives and routines,” Kelly said in a written release. “Unfortunately, we have seen a spike in the number of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths across our state and our country. We must act. Viruses don’t stop at county lines. This order doesn’t change where you can go or what you can do. But wearing a mask is a simple and effective way to keep Kansans healthy and keep Kansas open for business.”

As expected, the order would require most Kansans to wear masks when inside any public space – including their workplace – or in situations where social distancing of 6 feet cannot be maintained. Guidance regarding specific places or situations in which masks are required is outlined within the order.

^Violations

Still, even if the commission had decided to adopt Kelly's mandate as stated, there would be some difficulties in enforcement.

According to a joint statement released by the Lyon County Attorney's Office, Emporia Police Department and Lyon County Sheriff's Office, Wednesday, a violation of the mandate is not a criminal offense.

"A violation of the Governor’s executive order or any other agency’s order concerning the wearing of masks or facial coverings, is NOT a criminal offense," the statement read. "The public should NOT call 911 or the Emporia Police Department or the Lyon County Sheriff’s Office regarding persons not wearing masks or facial coverings. If anyone has a complaint regarding masks please call 620-208-3741."

The Gazette also spoke with County Attorney Marc Goodman earlier in the week about possible issues that could arise.

“On the state level, you have state statutes which have to be enacted by the legislature,” Goodman said in an earlier interview. “Those have the full force of law behind them. Below that — administratively — you have these orders. So, if you were ranking them, a state statute is a higher priority than the order, declaration, proclamation, mandate, resolution or whatever word you want to use to describe it.”

“Law enforcement doesn’t have to do it, so I would say it then falls to the health department. They would have to go out and identify who the people are that aren’t wearing a mask and be the controlling arm of this. I don’t even think they have the necessary staff available to do that. As a matter of physical safety, I also don’t think it would be very wise to just go up to people on the street and say, ‘I want your name and address so I can cite you for not wearing a mask.’ It all sounds funny and bit stupid, I know, but we’re a society based on laws. If things aren’t ironed out in some way, I think you’re asking people to enforce something very cumbersome and nearly impossible to enforce.”

Despite all the potential problems moving forward, Goodman said he believes the idea behind the order was made in good faith and with the safety of all Kansans in mind. He hopes community members remain considerate of others moving forward, especially those at higher risk for infection.

“We strongly, strongly, strongly recommend people wear masks in public places regardless of any order or mandate, because the data appears to suggest that they are helping stop the spread,” Goodman said. “Another aspect of that, though, is getting people proper masks and telling them how to properly wear and sanitize them between uses … There are all these back-end aspects of this that people aren’t talking about which could go a long way in stopping some of the arguing and confusion in the long run.”

(59) comments

sail

The cdc site states that 35 million in the USA contracted influenza during the 2019-2018 season ,,and sadly 34,000 died.....WONDER how the results will look for the 2020-2019 season..With all the precautions we have implemented , it better improve the numbers .If not ,then there will be a lot of questions .

Vintage Queen

Disappointed. EXPECTING everyone to do the "right" thing doesn't work. Stats show that. Numbers don't remain stagnant, they may go up and down, but states that have let down their guard have been shown to GO UP. We do NOT live in a BUBBLE. People travel through and visit from other states. IT should be mandatory to wear a mask and/or social distance. And it shouldn't have to be mandated, during a GLOBAL pandemic, where the US is NUMBER ONE in cases and deaths, to get friends, neighbors, families to do the RESPONSIBLE things, the simple things of mask wearing and/or social distancing. Look at other countries that have FLATTENED the curve and kept it flattened. They did it with the HELP of their citizens. EVERYONE is either part of the problem or part of the solution of slowing, and eventually stopping, the spread. AS MANY can have no symptoms, that means YOU, yes, YOU not wearing a mask, can pick up COVID and not know it til your family or friends get it. Often some never find out their spreaders, which is like being an anonymous serial killer. Killing through thoughtlessness, selfishness, DENIAL.

We're supposed to be the UNITED States and we can't even unite in a county, a community for a HEALTH, NOT a POLITICAL, issue? I don't care if someone is Dem or Rep, neither does COVID.

BigRed

Let's go through this again, flattening the curve was never meant as a way to end COVID-19. Flattening the curve does NOT reduce the total cases of COVID-19. The purpose of flattening the curve is to keep from overwhelming the medical community while this disease runs its course. The more we flatten the curve, the longer the disease is among us. We have done a good job of flattening the curve. While there are some hot spots flaring up around the country, I have yet to see anywhere that is over run in cases like NY was. Nor is there a shortage of ventilators. No one knows what the right answer is but everyone seems to think they have the answer of what is right for everyone else to do. (SMH)

CitizenV

Perfect response.

Hollowed Ground

Imperfect response.

Vintage Queen

So everyone should just go about their business, no mask, no social distancing and who gets it, spreads it, who dies, all part of the "cure"? We are NEARING three MILLION CONFIRMED cases. LOOK at our numbers compared to other countries. Your response smacks of "survival of the fittest" and what is "right" should be being able to don a simple mask in public to help protect others. WE KNOW there is a pandemic, we know our numbers are highest, and this isn't like a simple "flu". Everyday we read of outbreaks because of people attending a party, an event, that there was not socially-distancing or masks. Individualism is great except when that individualism can kill others during a pandemic. Look at our economy. States that opened EARLY for the economy, without meeting basic guidelines to reopen, are seeing SPIKES, big spikes. And again, people TRAVEL. We don't have closed borders. Without masks and social-distancing, the numbers will continue to climb. IF this had been taken more seriously sooner, we wouldn't be where we are today. If we ARE the UNITED States, it would seem we SHOULD care enough about each other to be able to wear a mask and take some precautions, KNOWING that has been shown to greatly reduce cases. COVID needs hosts. The more we can contain it, the more we can contact trace, the quicker we can beat it or at least slow it down, the more people will be saved from hospitalization or death, til there IS a vaccine. Or should we wait til CONFIRMED cases hit FIVE or TEN million? Deaths hit 300,000?

BigRed

I didn't say any of those things in your post. But since you asked, simply wearing a mask is no guaranty of safety. In fact, a loose bandana is less effective at stopping the spread of a cough than simply covering your cough. Not to mention a mask does nothing to protect your eyes from contracting COVID. Those who wear masks tend to act invincible and fail to socially distance. WHO does not recommend everyone wear masks, the New England Journal of medicine has commented on the limited benefits of wearing a mask and Dr. Fauci has said wearing a mask is largely symbolic. That said, I do wear a mask in public buildings mostly because I fear the wackos will attack me if I don't have one on. Second, there is NO promise of a vaccine. There has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine developed. Also, such a vaccine may end up being like the flu vaccine we have today. In other words, it has limited effectiveness depending on which strain of COVID you are exposed to. This gets me back to my premise, NO ONE KNOWS what the right answer is, but some people are sure ready to claim they do know and are willing to tell everyone else how they should act.

Hollowed Ground

Your logic is dead wrong. The curves plot infections and deaths. A flattened curve means that by the time the virus mutates to a hopefully less virulent form [the 1918 virus mutated to a much more virulent form], the number of infections and deaths that will have occurred will be less than if it were a rising curve. Attenuating the curve would be even better, but no one has achieved that. The virus controls how long it is among us, not us. What we control is how many of us get sick and die. We can choose to isolation and have a flat curve with a long doubling time, or we can choose to re-open everything and have a rising curve with a short doubling time. A flat curve shows isolation works, so why stop it when the virus is still among us?

BigRed

I suggest you go back and look at the first suggestion of flattening the curve. The inventor of the idea said the plan is to keep the medical community from being overwhelmed with cases. It does NOT reduce the overall number of cases, it DOES increase the length of time we will be dealing with COVID. Please use facts instead of your wishful thinking.

Hollowed Ground

It is most irresponsible to abrogate leadership responsibility and just let people choose. Many will 'choose' the easy way, which is no mask. This put everyone else at the meeting at risk. If one is conceited enough to go public without mask, one obviously does not care about infecting others. Those are the ones we need to keep away from. Don't let them in your business. Don't let them come to work. Recognize them as someone to avoid at all costs; the cost may be your life. For example this virus loves diabetics, and you can't tell if a person is diabetic by looking at them.

Bobsgirl62

I wear a mask at all times. I avoid people not wearing a mask. The trick is not to stand within 6 feet of them for more than 10 minutes. I use my app at Walmart put everything in the app cart and go directly to what I'm getting, grab it and keep stepping.

cropduster1

You people are all a bunch of goofs. How can any of you think that a disease is Republican or a Democrat or the fault of either one? Better be careful of you'll all start sounding like Lukert.

Gary Lukert

Also, the Gazette, it had any decency, would NOT allow any criticism of any MAN or WOMAN using their own name! You are all cowards...like Trump, when he avoided serving in Military, back in the 1960s...Chicken Donnie's Daddy paid off a Doctor to avoid the draft...that was in effect at that time...until the early 1970s. Heck, anyone under 60 has no recollection of a Draft! And, then, someone 60 was only 10 had little knowledge of how life REALLY WAS!

Hollowed Ground

Well, Republicans claimed it was a Democratic hoax. Some still do. I don't know if that makes it a Republican disease, but the Republicans, driven largely by lobbying efforts of the Chamber of Commerce, seem intent on maximizing its spread. Opening businesses, poo-pooing masks, engaging in risky behavior. They seem to have learned very little since 1918. Nothing actually, nothing.

Hollowed Ground

The virus may be known as a Republican virus because Republicans are the ones trying to maximize the infection and death rate. They do this by pressuring people to gather in groups again, be they in restaurants, schools, stores, planes, parties, etc., all of which by their very nature require loitering in enclosed spaces. When people gather in groups, viral infections spread like wildfire.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

I think what we can see by the ones appearing in the comment sections that no one has seen probably in years is that the desire is to make it political. Studies by the far right aren't considered worthy despite how many they are, and someone didn't like studies from foreign countries (yeah, that says something doesn't it). I was accused of hating Democrats, and what does that have to do with a virus so small that is easily passes through a cloth mask? Or with a moldy, dirty face mask, as I am sure that is a possibility for someone of any political party or no party at all. I listened for years to the Dems complain about Brownback, and actually they are still complaining. I truly hope those that want to use the virus for political purposes get over it soon including Governor Kelly. If masks were important, why not in March? Ah, the mystery of politics! Hey, you are the ones that wanted to make it political!

JustAName

You're something special. You've had your hands in making this political from the start. I just called you out on it and your websites that are deeply biased, promote conspiracy theories, make false claims,etc. If you want people to get "educated" start by looking at some of your sources. And don't feel like posting again all the times you've been condescending, rude, and clearly showed how you feel about someone with different opinions than you.

JustAName

And im actually curious about the covid being small and passing through masks. Do you have other sources than a YouTube video? Why does the CDC and other people in the medical field say to wear them? Ex from this article "We strongly, strongly, strongly recommend people wear masks in public places regardless of any order or mandate, because the data appears to suggest that they are helping stop the spread,” Goodman said."

Aim_High

Sources presented from any political group is going to be labeled a bad source. You don't see people citing The Young Turks or Jimmy Dore on mask use... stick with actual medical websites and facts backed up by sufficient data, not the opinions of political groups masquerading as health experts sharing results from a sample size of 4!!...

This lack of mask wearing and it's accompanying case spike is going to lead to the closure of schools for the 20-21 school year, along with the whole "essentials only" stay home orders again. Trumps base will begin crying about "draconian orders" again... Democrats and Republicans both will all be miserable at home because one group is comprised of people afraid to look "weak" in front of their fellow party members by wearing a mask. This group will accuse the other group of making it "political" when their party is the one endangering everyone around them by not wearing a mask. Remember which party ATTACKED people who wore a mask when you send your mail-in ballot this November.

Gary Lukert

130,000 Dead. 50,000 new cases on July 1st. Guess that's not enough for you.

Gary Lukert

And, 98 per cent of those killed by the Virus are totally Trump's fault. Totally. He is evil.

prairieprincess

Please be considerate of others. If you can’t or don’t want to wear a mask, please stay home. Or, if you are out in public without a mask on, and encounter somebody wearing a mask, please stay at least 6 feet away from them. It’s just common courtesy.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Please stay at least 6 feet away from me as I know the virus will pass through your cloth mask, and I don't want it. It's just common courtesy.

Vintage Queen

Common courtesy would be wearing a mask in public. They have been shown, scientifically, to help stop the spread. AND FYI, I WASH my mask after each use. MY wearing a mask protects others more than it does me. I have no issue wearing a mask, but the irony is, at almost 70, my wearing it will protect others, while so many others who refuse to wear a mask, puts me at a much higher risk. I find it not just thoughtless, but selfish, for those who won't wear a mask in public. It's beyond bad manners, it can and has been deadly across the country.

LOOK at world stats. Where is the US re cases and deaths? WAKE UP.

cropduster1

Another question is what are the same statistics for the flu?

JustAName

I'll bite. Looked up stats from various sites and all were fairly similar. Here is link im using. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu. Covid usa confirmed cases 2.7million, 130k deaths, rate around 4.7%. Globally 10.7million confirmed, 516k deaths, rate around 4.7%. State of Kansas confirmed 15192, deaths 278, rate of 1.8% (Thanks governor!) Flu stats estimated cases world wide per year are around 1 billion, deaths 290k to 650k, rate of less than 1%. USA flu stats 39million to 56million a year, deaths 12k to 61k a year. Rate of less than 1%. This link https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6 also shares data showing difference between the two, "The coronavirus death rate in the US is almost 50 times higher than that of the flu"

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Wasn't John Hopkins involved in the Plan 201 Simulation Fall 2019?

Per this article: https://reason.com/2020/05/24/the-cdcs-new-best-estimate-implies-a-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-below-0-3/

Keep in mind that the CDC thinks that probably 35% of the people who get it never have symptoms. And, much of the math is based on how many actually tested positive while others that had it and didn't bother with testing aren't counted. With flu deaths, they have a category of "flu-related", and with COVID 19 they didn't seem to have such a category, and death certificates were not necessarily saying they died from COVID 19 and in that case, perhaps it was COVID 19 - related.

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans with COVID-19 symptoms is 0.4 percent. The CDC also estimates that 35 percent of people infected by the COVID-19 virus never develop symptoms. Those numbers imply that the virus kills less than 0.3 percent of people infected by it—far lower than the infection fatality rates (IFRs) assumed by the alarming projections that drove the initial government response to the epidemic, including broad business closure and stay-at-home orders."

That was .4% (point 4%, as it is difficult to see the decimal point).

250,000 people die each year due to medical mistakes, the 3rd leading cause of death: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20recent%20study,after%20heart%20disease%20and%20cancer. Yes, I think that was important to say.

Here is how COVID 19 compares to other major viruses of the past and it is quite interesting: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks#Seasonal-flu Do others remember those pandemics, and I realize no one probably remembers the Spanish Flu, but I think someone might as I saw a lady in the news that lived through it.

JustAName

Some experts will weigh in soon though giving biased, right wing sites saying covid deaths are higher because hospitals receive more money when they say death is covid when the patient has underlying conditions. Just be careful where you get your info, there is misinformation on both sides.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Why insist on making COVID 19 political? I don't know which political side this falls on but:

It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).

From this article: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ Are they "right" wing? I have no idea, but I have seen this stated on other websites. I hope this satisfies your curiosity as I heard this early on and checked it out to see if it were true. I am fully aware that all political sides morph statements to fit their narratives. I'm bored with this now.

JustAName

We've reached a break though gypsy! I can use that site also. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/new-coronavirus-wasnt-predicted-in-simulation/ im bored with this too, go grab a beer?

cropduster1

I'm posing a question for all you web surfers and statistic hounds. What is the percentage of deaths vs. actual cases world wide and in the US.

Ril

Well, I figured our hallowed commissioners would do a kop-out, and they did. If folks are to selfish, or to stupid to do a very simple thing that does help to slow the spread of the virus, then I don't know how we will ever stop it from killing more people. The Laura Kelly bashers should "man up" and admit that she is very concerned about it. She is just trying to slow the spread because so many arrogant people have no concern for others, so the government is going to have to do it for them.

Chrism

I agree. Do we have a Health Department in this County? I heard the other day she was all in with Governor Kelly. Where is she today? Absent or at Recess with the rest of the Government.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

She attended the meeting and gave her opinion. If you go to the county website, they show the agenda of what will be discussed at the meetings. Also, eventually, they will put up the minutes or generally that is what they do in other counties as I haven't actually read through anything they publish on the website other than the minutes to see what would be discussed.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Making it political? That is the biggest problem that we are dealing with, the insistence of making it political. We know what she is trying to do. Not selfish, not arrogant, just informed.

cropduster1

Couldn't see

cropduster1

I think all the politicians should have to wear masks. Makes it harder to tell them apart and we could see their lips move

Chrism

Can someone explain. Yesterday KVOE said City of Emporia was urging Compliance with the state mandate to wear a mask. Now today it’s free will do what you want. We get no direction from the President on down to our own Health Department and City Commissioners . Great Job Guys

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

"Urging" by the City of Emporia is simply what they are doing. The County is the one that makes the decision as it is left up to the County. The County is giving a choice at this time but will vote next Thursday at their regular meeting. The President cannot mandate masks for the country. The Governor has passed on the decision to the counties, anyone else can only "urge" or "advise".

neednews

The County Commissioners are cowards. They don't want to make an unpopular decision and deal with backlash from people who refuse to wear the masks. Very disappointing!

Chrism

I am very disappointed also. The lack of empathy for others is astonishing. In the big picture it’s such a small thing to ask of people.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Maybe someone shared the science with them, the testing accuracy, the statistics on the falling number of cases, etc. and they are watching to see what other counties do before moving forward. Also, possibly looking to see if lawsuits will be filed. So many possible reasons.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Looks like they will not vote on it until next Thursday, and I won't even try to guess what that actually means. Enforcement will be nearly impossible anyway. Is the Public Health Officer's office open 24/7 to take reports and go out to "investigate"? I have no idea.

yoda15

Well, SnowGypsy, all good things must come to an end. I am going to sign off with this post. I came out of not posting for a long time because I noticed that you were steamrolling through the posts. People needed to voice opinions from the other side. I want to say thank you for not trying to guess what it means about them not voting until next Thursday! I am not being sarcastic. I really mean it.

You questioned my knowledge. Let me tell you a little about myself....I hold an advanced degree. In several of my graduate level classes, data and studies were discussed. What makes a study valid? Do I believe a study that was conducted over 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago? Do I believe a study that was only conducted once with 4 participants? With my degree, I have been able to advance through positions and I like what I do for a living. I really hope that you like what you do for a living. With my job, guess what I have to look at: data. How often do I look at data? Almost daily.

You also said this to me: "Mold makes people sick, and I am sorry if you wanted to keep that a secret while professing you are concerned about the health of others. Talk about confusing!" Let me tell you something else about me. A family member of mine got sick in February. When the Covid-19 outbreak first started, before it really blew up, whatever I did, I kept that family member in mind. I began wearing a mask really early on, even before health officials said to. Wherever I went, I was mindful of my critically ill family member. When I visited this family member, I wore a mask. My family member passed. I continue wearing a mask. Why? It is out of respect to those people I may encounter who have sick family members or who are at high risk. I have multiple masks on hand. I realize that I am fortunate enough to be able to have multiple masks. After being out and about, whenever I step inside, my mask instantly goes into the wash and then gets dried. Yes, I also realize that maybe not everyone is like me. But, please realize when you start in on your moldy masks comments, some people really do take extreme cautions and pre-cautions when it comes to their masks. Please also realize that if you have a critically ill friend or family member, I wear my masks for him/her. If you don't, be thankful! People are not easily swayed. I will always be a mask wearer. You probably won't be a mask wearer. That's the good thing about life: we have choices and we get to make our own decisions.

What I ask of you is to be respectful. Stop calling people names. Stop posting speculations. Most of the time I think we are fortunate to live in the country that we do because of the way the government is set up. Please remember that not everyone will agree when it comes to politics. Politicians and governmental officials can't make everyone happy.

Over and out, and please take care of yourself.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Thank you for posting the studies that say a cloth mask works. Oh, I guess you didn't do that. It really wasn't necessary for you to post your mask wearing habits. I simply wanted to bring to the attention of everyone that I did not believe a dirty mask was better than nothing as it could make the wearer sick, and if someone cared about the health of the community, they would not make such a comment. The mold, the mucus, whatever attached itself to the outside of the mask when worn would not be good for a person. I have read that people just reuse a cloth mask and keep it in a plastic bag. I didn't say everyone did it, but it would have been better to give guidance on keeping it clean than simply say wear it dirty. I don't see myself taking health advice from someone that says something like that. And again, I am still waiting for the "data" from studies that say a cotton mask (clean or dirty) stops the teeny tiny coronavirus from escaping. In this case, size does matter! I am waiting for KU, someone talking "data" to provide what study he was referring to.

My sources were criticized because they were right-wing, so that person wanted to make it political, and it seems they felt that I hated the Democrats or some crap like that. You also haven't been around here for awhile and you don't really know what has been going on. You are talking politics, and I was talking science to include what happens when a moist mask is stored and gets mold! The thing is, Kelly is trying to take our choices away and using funding to try to hold the counties hostage if they don't get in line behind her, thus science means nothing with Kelly as governor. I know Lyon County is turning blue, one can tell by the growing poverty rate. Sad to see it, but it is slipping away. Keep your distance!

JustAName

Sources were criticized for reasons like this "Overall, we rate the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) an extreme right Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, use of poor sources, a lack of transparency with funding as well as numerous false claims and failed fact checks". Posting questionable websites that make false claims isn't "science". Also posting opinion pieces or videos doesn't make it science. Pick and choose your "science" that fits your agenda-ignore everything else. And since you've been posting it's been one slam on Democrats after another. Comrade Kelly ring a bell? "McFeelThemUpBiden" but ignoring Trump's sexual assault claims, posting video links to Tony Robbins who's been accused of numerous sexual assault claims? Some random nonsense about longbine acting like a Democrat. Lyon county turning blue by the poverty rate. Anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated, minion, etc etc. You show your bias everytime you comment.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Milbern says that even a "dirty" mask...........", and this is not true. A dirty mask will have a build up of nasal and oral mucus, and if left overnight and it is damp, mold can form and be inhaled the next day, not to mention the outside of the mask may have a build up of whatever was in the atmosphere that you breathed the day before. I am still searching for the studies that say that a cloth mask makes any difference, and although everyone says "data", I have asked for that, but all I see is "heresay" which has "zero" value. As I have stated, numerous articles address the size of the virus versus the pores in a cloth mask, and it is compared to a mosquito going through a chain link fence.

Yes, I am thrilled with this decision as with the numbers at this point, there was no justification for a mandate on face masks. This gives me hope for Lyon County. I would encourage everyone with opinions to contact the county commissioners and let them know how you feel and support it with facts, and then hope for the best! Happy dance without a mask! Yeah!

Thank you County Commissioners for a reasonable and rational approach to this masked mandate.

yoda15

For the love of fireworks (not what I really wanted to say), stop about the mold forming in masks. You say this all the time. People who wear masks, actually wash and dry their worn masks!!!! This is common sense, which some people really do have!!!!! As for the what you have previously stated, most of that was taken down, and those sample sizes were super small. One study had 4 participants. Four! One had 39. One tested 44 masks. You also provide studies and data not based in the US and are very outdated.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

So, you don't know much about mold do you? Obviously, neither does Millbern. Go back and slowly read the article and see that Millbern says that even a dirty mask is better than no face covering. That is not true for the person wearing it. And, I think I missed your studies showing that cloth masks work, or did I? Data? No, that isn't very convincing. One more time, and I can't make it any simpler when it comes to cloth mask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b0AhqvAVw I know it is math and science, and I am not sure how well schools cover such things here, but what part don't you understand? You must not get out much if you think that all people are washing and drying anything, I mean, bedbugs unlimited! How many times would you need to do a test to see if the virus passed through the cloth? That is a pretty basic test as is mold growing on something damp and dirty. My posts being deleted has to with a change in personnel I suspect as there was no reason to take them down as they did not violate the rules, well, the written rules. Mold makes people sick, and I am sorry if you wanted to keep that a secret while professing you are concerned about the health of others. Talk about confusing!

yoda15

I think you missed the point that people with common sense wash and dry their masks.

JustAName

From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html "Cover your mouth and nose with a cloth face cover when around others

You could spread COVID-19 to others even if you do not feel sick.

The cloth face cover is meant to protect other people in case you are infected.

Everyone should wear a cloth face cover in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.

Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.

Do NOT use a facemask meant for a healthcare worker. Currently, surgical masks and N95 respirators are critical supplies that should be reserved for healthcare workers and other first responders.

Continue to keep about 6 feet between yourself and others. The cloth face cover is not a substitute for social distancing" along with washing hands, avoiding contact, cover cough and sneezes, clean and disinfect, monitor your health.

JustAName

You're linking a video to Tony Robbins who has been accused of numerous sexual assault claims....?? But call Biden this "McFeelThemUpBiden" lol.

JustAName

Since we like to post links https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-evidence-masks-covid-.html. Then I used a bias rating site and they said this about medicalxpress site " PRO-SCIENCE

These sources consist of legitimate science or are evidence based through the use of credible scientific sourcing. Legitimate science follows the scientific method, is unbiased and does not use emotional words. These sources also respect the consensus of experts in the given scientific field and strive to publish peer reviewed science. Some sources in this category may have a slight political bias, but adhere to scientific principles. See all Pro-Science sources.

Overall, we rate Medical Xpress, a generally credible Pro-Science source, that occasionally publishes new studies that are outside of the current consensus of science for that field". And here's a shocker, I actually agree with this decision. It should be up to each individual/business/country unless there's a drastic increase in cases. But if you're going to educate us minions, why not try using unbiased websites and data? You've posted extreme right wing websites, untrusted sites, asked people to get information from "recall Kelly Facebook group, and linked opinion pieces from extreme right individuals. Yet you ignore other sites that say masks are beneficial to slowing covid. It's hard to take you serious when you constantly show how biased you are and the hatred you have for Democrats.

JustAName

I think this is a key part of the article. "Despite all the potential problems moving forward, Goodman said he believes the idea behind the order was made in good faith and with the safety of all Kansans in mind. He hopes community members remain considerate of others moving forward, especially those at higher risk for infection.

“We strongly, strongly, strongly recommend people wear masks in public places regardless of any order or mandate, because the data appears to suggest that they are helping stop the spread,” Goodman said. “Another aspect of that, though, is getting people proper masks and telling them how to properly wear and sanitize them between uses … There are all these back-end aspects of this that people aren’t talking about which could go a long way in stopping some of the arguing and confusion in the long run.”

yoda15

Well, how about that, SnowGypsy....you can continue going around not wearing a mask and people who want to wear a mask, can.

Alfred

Yoda15: There is and never was an order that you should not wear a mask by Governor Kelly. Wearing a mask when there was no standing order to not wear one was always your option. Free will free choice. Not so when you try to force people to do something against their will under penalty of law. No free choice there. You are going down a slippery slope here with regards to personal rights. At some point an order may come down that you disagree with, but will have no choice but to comply, because you gave the governor the power to do as she chooses freely this time. stay safe.

yoda15

Alfred-I'm not really sure why you are telling me that at some point an order may come down that I disagree with, but will have no choice but to comply....I'm not the one who is complaining about possibly having to wear a mask. I'm not the one who keeps bringing up moldy masks (I reply to those posts). I'm not the one who keeps talking about data. Data that represents such small sample sizes. You are mistaken if you don't think I comply, because I do comply to laws, executive orders, etc. There are plenty of things that I disagree with, but I am compliant.

yoda15

Alfred-Please explain. One time, you tell me that there will be a time when I will have no choice but to comply. Then, you tell me that a certain religion group were compliant to. What on earth?????

As for compliancy, when was the last time some of you read the discussion 'rules'? Let's see:

Be truthful. Hummmmm...

Be nice. Is name calling being nice?

Alfred

Yoda15: I see my post was taken down, and that is fine. If you feel that I have broken any rules please be free to report, and have my post taken down. Now let me say this in a little bit different way. Please watch the following movies: The Diary of Anne Frank, The Hiding Place. Schindler's List. They movies are about people who were compliant, and the people who tried to save a few....not always successfully in Anne Frank's case. And by the way, I have read all the rules for posting. Stay safe.

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