I believe right now that my vote is worth something. Even though I vote in the insignificant State of Kansas my vote today has value on a national level.

If it was not for President James Madison; our vote here in Kansas would not be worth a bucket of spit on a national level. We would lose our representation as a region.

Here is the reason why.

Madison studied in depth for four solid years about how to build our wonderful Constitution. He studied about the Greeks who allowed the smallest of city governments to have two votes in their Senate. The reason was simply to allow all regions to have representation regardless of size.

Madison saw clearly that the ancient Greeks were aware of how the larger city governments could well cause smaller cities to have no representation.

This was the answer that he needed for our new Country not to be swallowed by the larger voting areas. He had his answer to address his fellow citizens concerns about Virginia bullying all the other States due to their larger size.

He took the Greeks example further to allow all States to have two Senators. He also allowed all States to have electoral votes equal to their Senators plus their Representatives size. With their Congressman being in proportion to their population. All this was, of course, subject to being agreed to by our Constitutional Congress. With few exceptions our wonderful, liberal in thought, and brave Revolutionary Patriotic founders saw the wisdom of Madison’s long study.

His wisdom, due to his long four years of study, resulted in the formation of our grand and unique Electoral College. James Madison, America’s fourth President, made a major contribution to the ratification of the Constitution by writing The Federalist Papers, along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay. In later years, he was referred to as the “Father of the Constitution.”

If this was clearly taught in our schools; what madman would attempt to remove it?

Only a madman equal to the despots of the past and today would stand against our wise founding fathers .

Look inside yourself for the answer. Would you Jayhawks stand still for your vote being reduced to nothing in national elections if the Electoral College was removed?

Rest a little easier when you also know that Madison knew clearly of the risks of the extremists who today want to destroy our Representative Democracy. The great founder of our Constitution, James Madison, checked the Rep. AOC’s of today and others. The reason is that Madison checked these Yardbirds, I hope that I have offended the extremists who wish to take my vote. He checked them because it will take a 60% vote by the Congress and Senate to remove our Electoral College, and then it will take 75% of our States to agree. What a brilliant man!

Do you see why some dictators in our country want this to happen? I assure you that if this ever would be the case the reason for all us Jayhawks to vote in national elections would be greatly reduced.

This is why we must all stand with Madison. In addition, think about why our enemies, plus some of our ignorant representatives, are putting out all kinds of false propaganda via the internet, Their clear intent to me is to cloud our greatness and the outstanding wisdom of Madison. Many Americans have died to defend this system.

(32) comments

sail

hollow ,,your comment on " right wing " was way wrong,,,check out the stories better. OMAR marteen who killed 49 in Orlando was a member of the demo party,and could anyone forget about the mass shooting in DC of republican congressman at the baseball practice committed by thomas hodgkinson,who was a volunteer for bernie sanders,and on and on.............

Aim_High

Stephen Paddock held anti-government beliefs and believed in conspiracy theories characteristic of the far right... he killed 58 people and wounded hundreds more. There will always be people crazy enough to do these things in any political party.

sail

Good point Aim High,,,

sail

Aim high,im coming to the conclusion that you are employed by some nefarious group ie the demo party,,your on here all the time,,but I will admit I enjoy reading your point of view, but very seldom agree with you. CANT IMAGINE GIVING UP THE VOTE ON NATIONAL ISSUES TO THREE STATES ,,,, its as repugnant as bailing out demo controlled states for overspending like a drunken sailor,,, ,

Aim_High

Sail, the Chinese pay me well [beam]

When you can persuade me $133 billion (23% increase) in additional "discretionary" military spending since Trump has taken office is not also "overspending like a drunken sailor," except on steroids, I will take your complaint seriously.

Cutting and gutting education and low-income assistance programs while giving the military extra play money is not acceptable. The stock market hit 30,000 and Texas had the longest food lines I've ever seen in my life....miles and miles long! 700 people in Emporia received their Thanksgiving meal from charity... Trumps cuts have obviously hurt the poor while the military gets an insane amount of money they don't even need... and to top it off, the top 1% get a tax break while the food lines get longer. I'm not against capitalism when it's done right, but what we have today is irresponsible.

Rationa1

Good points, Aim.

Hollowed Ground

A rather pathetic attempt by some "madman" to justify the EC. In fact it does nothing to justify it. It can't because there is no justification for it other than what it was created for: to kiss the butt of plantation owners and their slave state legislators so they would join the union. In hindsight it would have been better had they been left out. Since there is no more slavery, there is not more need for the EC. A handful of states require them to vote per their states' popular vote; thus for those states the EC is superfluous so why have it? In 2016 in Wyoming it took just 86 votes to get one EC vote. In Florida it took 330. Pure BS. Pure garbage. Somebody had better have a good reason why the Trumptards in Wyoming are allowed to have about 4 times the voice of the Trumptards in Florida. They're both equally dumb, so why should they not have an equal voice? Under the stupid EC it is possible to win the presidency with as little as 25% of the "popular vote" (which does not exist), so only a "madman" would call it "grand". Under a direct election a vote in Kansas has the same weight as every other vote cast everywhere else. How is that bad?

Louis

What other parts of our Constitution do you see as "mad"?. So the Greeks and the founding fathers created something that has worked for over 200 years is "mad". Sound like the thoughts of someone who has no desire to share power with the smaller States. Your limited knowledge of our heritage and how it works is most troubling.

Louis

There were indeed racial overtones to the original reasons that the Electoral College began, but this did not exist for the Greeks. Their intent was to spread representative democracy. Today that is closer to what its effect has become. Otherwise, the wishes of Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc., etc. would rule in every election. One can always tell a Marxist or Leftist leaning argument because they cannot avoid name-calling or calling someone a "racist".

Rationa1

"Since there is no more slavery, there is not more need for the EC."

I don't think that is entirely accurate. Review Mr. Hartman's claim: The effect of the College is to preserve the interests and rights of the small states in relation to the interests of the large. It was Tocqueville who warned of the Tyranny of the Majority. The College is a safeguard against said tyranny. Madison was worried about factions who would use direct democracy to violate citizens rights or weaken the country. Hamilton believed the College's Electors would prevent the Presidency from being awarded to an unqualified individual who is unqualified or otherwise unsavory. (See Federalist Papers Number 10 and 68.)

Where I agree with you, Hollow, is that recent elections have differed enough from the popular vote (what Hamilton would have called "The Sense of the People") to indicate we need to reexamine the question of how the College conducts its roles. I don't believe the Founders anticipated the wide literacy that currently exists in the U.S., nor do I believe they anticipated the current method for selecting electors or laws prohibiting faithless electors. Our national conversation must not be whether or not to preserve the College--that is a red herring. It must be how to allow for representative, Jacksonian democracy in such a way that we avoid the factions Madison feared so much and the tyranny of the majority Tocqueville predicted.

KB Thomas

When I think of voter fraud, a song comes to mind recorded in 1974 by Ace [How Long Has This Been Going On]

Aim_High

When I think of voter fraud, a song comes to mind recorded in 2004 by Green Day [American Idiot]

Gary Lukert

Amen! Amen!

Also, see my comment on KB's post above...

The Voting Rules, According to Donald Trump is: "Trump gets the MOST Vote, Trump Wins! Trump gets the LEAST VOTES...Trump Wins!"

Aim_High

I've been encouraging Georgia Republicans to write-in TRUMP for the Senate runoff. Trump still has a chance to win!! [beam]

Gary Lukert

KB...Hey, have you heard the TRUMP VOTE COUNTING RULE: "I get the most Votes, I win! I get the LEAST Votes, I win!!! I am glad you love Trump! You and him deserve him!

KB Thomas

Aim High, review Luke 12 13-15

Aim_High

I think you should review this one again yourself, KB, and read to the end (verse 21). If Jesus were here today these words would be directed towards conservatives more than any other group.

Louis

All someone that can add needs to do is add up the votes in the huge cities such as LA, Chicago, Houston, NY, Boston, and so on. They are predominately for one party.. Then compare that total to the smaller areas like Alaska, SD, ND. Nebraska, Nevada, Utah, and many other smaller States. Do away with the Electoral College and forget about the need to vote in smaller States during National races. All the other stuff here is worthless other than this fact. Both Madison and Mr. Hartman are correct. Those who muddy the issue want all the elections to go their way and to have all the power. They depend of keeping the big inner-city people ignorant and their knowledge of civics and math at the 75th percentile. So sad. Madison's and the founding Fathers' concerns about losing their votes to the bid populated areas are just as important today as ever.

Aim_High

What you're describing is a popular vote, which would make Donald a loser in 2016 and a bigger loser in 2020.

KB Thomas

I stand with 6 people who predicted the future. Review 6 people who predicted the future with stunning accuracy.

KB Thomas

I stand with Andrew Jackson's war against the Bank of the United States. Review The Great Withdrawal PDF .....How the Progressives' 100-year Debasement of the dollar ends. Craig R. Smith and Lowell Ponte Forward by Pat Boone. Also, Andrew P. Napolitano, lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Decption in American History.

KB Thomas

20 reasons election 2020 is far from over The Epock Times

Gary Lukert

KB, according to the REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE, there were 24,000 Georgia Republicans who voted in the Primary, but, NOT in the General Election. The Secretary of State believes Trump telling republicans NOT TO VOTE by Mail, but, to vote in Person on Election Day,...just didn't vote. Trump has ONLY HIMSELF to blame for Losing Georgia...and other states. Trump is such a jerk! You support jerk Trump!

Aim_High

Here's a question for you, KB... If Jesus returned and ran for President in 2020 on the platform that empathy and human compassion is more important than personal wealth, do you think you would call him a libtard to his face or just behind his back?

KB Thomas

Bill, I know a little Greek, she is very good looking.

bubarubu

What utter drivel. The electoral college was included specifically because it gave more power to slave states. Because of the 3/5 compromise, their counted population went up, they got more electoral votes, which gave them more influence than the northern states. And by the way, Madison himself said that. "The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections."

As for Kansas' votes counting in the election, they don't. Because Kansas is as reliable a Republican vote as almost any state, presidential candidates aren't coming here to campaign. They don't care about the issues that matter to Kansas because Democrats can't win the state and Republicans don't have to worry about it. The electoral college flattens every presidential election down to a handful of battleground states, and that's it. As a result, Ohio and Florida and Georgia matter, North Carolina matters, but Kansas doesn't matter.

The electoral college is a foolish idea that was a sop to slaveholders when only white men over the age of 21 who owned land could vote. We've lowered the voting age to 18, abolished race as a barrier to voting (despite the best efforts of some policymakers), extended the franchise to women, and no longer use wealth as a qualification to vote. Having more or less gotten rid of all of the other unsupportable nonsense around voting rights, we should similarly get rid of the electoral college.

Gary Lukert

Yes, Republicans....The Conservative Movement in the United States began with the SLAVE SOUTH, and their "3-Fiths" of a person for Black Slaves. Now, if those blacks had been able to cast their "3-Fifths" Vote, it would have, at least given them some power. The south was given the THREE-FIFTHS VOTE deal only to get more seats in Congress...their slaves were denied the right to vote. That Southern Evil continues today! Although the Blacks in the South, as everywhere in the country area allowed to vote. Conservatives everywhere fought tooth & nail to deny blacks the same rights as whites. HOWEVER, it is Right to Point out, that WITHOUT White Support of Republicans in Congress in the 1960s, The (Conservative-HATED Civil Rights Act of 1965 would not have passed. BUT, IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE mentioned...that those 1965 Republicans would be RINO'S today, and Liberals! Trump would run them out of the party.

Rationa1

Let us not visit the sins of the fathers on their children, Gary. If racist or other discriminatory policies and positions exist within any contemporary movement, let us call those out and demand they not be implemented. If there are such policies in our current society, let us identify them and stamp them out. But let us not declare guilt by association or even history. Let us understand history, yes, but let us change the present.

Smkiefer

I would have to say that growing up in the state of Colorado, it too was a non factor Red republican state. Reliability only exists until it's not reliable. Our states are ever changing. Texas was Red forever, and currently it is a solid purple. The electoral College is the ONLY way our voice is heard on the national level, regardless why it was initially put in place!!!

Gary Lukert

Well, like people "run on food", the Electoral College RUNS ON CITIZENS VOTING.

WatchmanAnon

The changing political makeup is due to liberals leaving their home states and resettling in red states for lower taxes rates. They bring their liberal ideals with them and decide the political climate is ripe for liberal change. They start running for school boards, city commissions, and mayoral races. The locals get a barrage of their "we know better because we're morally superior" arguments and shouted down because that's what they do. Some even buy properties in states like Georgia so they can vote twice- once in their home state and once again in the other state where they "reside." These liberals are so much like King George's red coats, it's scary.

It would behoove anyone looking at these current times with bewilderment to read primary sources about the Boston Massacre and the lead up to it. Read sources from both sides and you will get a sense of the propaganda used then as well as the oppression of the local taxpayers by the red coats. We are reliving history.

Hollowed Ground

Forget the stupid red coats. I am much much more concerned with massacres like the right wing gun nut mass murders in El Paso and Las Vegas and Virginia Tech and Sandy Hook and Fort Hood and Killeen and Orlando and Sutherland Springs and Parkland......................So should you.

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