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Lyon County Attorney Marc Goodman

While news of Governor Laura Kelly’s plan to mandate the wearing of masks in public spaces broke Monday afternoon, an official executive order is still pending at this time.

Preliminary details on the order suggest its requirements will be able to be tailored by local officials depending on each county’s unique situation, but many questions remain as far as its actual enforcement. Although some crucial specifics remain unknown, The Gazette reached out to Lyon County Attorney Marc Goodman Tuesday morning to get his initial reaction on the reports.

The first topic Goodman felt necessary for the public to understand was the difference between a mandate and a set-in-stone law.

“On the state level, you have state statutes which have to be enacted by the legislature,” Goodman said. “Those have the full force of law behind them. Below that — administratively — you have these orders. So, if you were ranking them, a state statute is a higher priority than the order, declaration, proclamation, mandate, resolution or whatever word you want to use to describe it.”

Goodman said that while county commissioners will have freedom to determine the level to which they adhere to the order, their reasons for differing from the governor’s recommendations are required to be readily apparent.

“To be less restrictive or more restrictive than the governor’s declaration, our commissioners would have to talk with the county health department and state reasons for why they’re doing so,” Goodman said. “So, it can’t just be some arbitrary decision, there needs to be details and reasoning behind it. The actual process as it stands right now, is that Kelly has put out a recommendation which is nothing more than an early release of what she’s going to proclaim. Unfortunately, we just don’t have that information on what medical exemptions or business exemptions might look like right now.”

In considering the timing of Monday’s announcement, Goodman views Kelly’s decision to spread the word on the upcoming order as a bit “premature” considering the present lack of a concrete, realistic plan for enforcement.

“Number one, she still needs to meet with the Attorney General’s office to determine whether what she’s saying even has any solid legal footing to stand on according to the state,” Goodman said. “Number two, the order has to at least be voted on by members of the finance council. Now, to totally override her, they would need to get the legislature back together. Arguably, you’re not going to see that happen.

“The major piece I feel is being left off, though, is that you have to wear masks in public spaces unless — and it’s a big ‘unless’ or a big ‘if’— you can’t properly socially distance and you’re going to be in contact with a person for more than 10 minutes. There are those two pieces to social distancing, and there always has been. It’s not just about the space, it’s about that aspect of time as well. That’s something that is totally ambiguous in my mind. What do you even do about that? She isn’t mandating everyone has to wear a mask anytime they’re out of the house, she’s mandating people wear masks under these ‘except’ or ‘but’ conditions. I haven’t seen anything yet that accurately stresses the back-end piece to what she said, and that’s a big problem. People want those details and that leadership, but the leadership instantly comes with a ‘but for’ clause attached to it.”

Another major problem Goodman perceives regarding the order is the matter of consequence-based incentive to even follow it.

“In their enactment in June, the state legislature did away with all criminal penalties [concerning public health orders],” Goodman said. “Those violations are considered a civil matter now. It says an attorney general or a county/district attorney should enforce it, but the major problem is that I don’t even know how we’re going to figure out who to enforce it against.

“Law enforcement doesn’t have to do it, so I would say it then falls to the health department. They would have to go out and identify who the people are that aren’t wearing a mask and be the controlling arm of this. I don’t even think they have the necessary staff available to do that. As a matter of physical safety, I also don’t think it would be very wise to just go up to people on the street and say, ‘I want your name and address so I can cite you for not wearing a mask.’ It all sounds funny and bit stupid, I know, but we’re a society based on laws. If things aren’t ironed out in some way, I think you’re asking people to enforce something very cumbersome and nearly impossible to enforce.”

Despite all the potential problems moving forward, Goodman said he believes the idea behind the order was made in good faith and with the safety of all Kansans in mind. He hopes community members remain considerate of others moving forward, especially those at higher risk for infection.

“We strongly, strongly, strongly recommend people wear masks in public places regardless of any order or mandate, because the data appears to suggest that they are helping stop the spread,” Goodman said. “Another aspect of that, though, is getting people proper masks and telling them how to properly wear and sanitize them between uses … There are all these back-end aspects of this that people aren’t talking about which could go a long way in stopping some of the arguing and confusion in the long run.”

Stay with The Gazette for more coverage and thoughts from local officials as details on the mask mandate become public.

(37) comments

Alfred

Out of Touch | Kevin James Short video on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGAktuU93s

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yoda15

Here's some data from the article (from MO talking about KS) that you just shared: 1978. That is the case count as of June 29. That appears to be the highest case count that KS has had to date. What do you think of this data? That was a pretty hefty jump in cases from June 22 to June 29.

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yoda15

Since you are constantly posting your thoughts, please let us know how you would handle a pandemic. How would you solve this problem? You do realize that local school boards and the state school board also have a say in closing schools, so it just isn't the governor and public health officers? You also realize that hours upon hours have been spent figuring out the different school scenarios by various stakeholders (which would include republicans, democrats, independents, various people from all walks of life)?

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yoda15

Here's the thing about data....numbers can be presented in any fashion. Numbers can be played with it to suit the person conducting the study. Here's the other thing about data, is it based on one study or multiple studies; what is the size of the study -is it large or small? If a study is super small, is it really worth the time of day to discuss data? It is also helpful for the data, and the studies, that are being presented are from the US.

Once again, why do you keep talking about mold in masks? Common sense should be that the user washes and dries a mask.

I hear Mr. Goodcents will be handing out a free cookie to those who come in wearing a mask. How many anti-mask wearers will be there for a free cookie?

JustAName

Also from one of gypsy's links.. 'OSHA generally recommends that employers encourage workers to wear face coverings at work. Face coverings are intended to prevent wearers who have Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) without knowing it (i.e., those who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic) from spreading potentially infectious respiratory droplets to others. This is known as source control.

Consistent with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation for all people to wear cloth face coverings when in public and around other people, wearing cloth face coverings, if appropriate for the work environment and job tasks, conserves other types of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as surgical masks, for healthcare settings where such equipment is needed most"

Hananova

JustAName, OSHA is NOT staffed by peopled with medical science degrees, thus is NOT any more qualified to give medical advice than my neighbor's Blue Tick Hound.dog.

JustAName

And the CDC? And do you and gypsy have medical science degrees? Seems like I can find data from 1000 different people on both sides. Guess I'll go with the better safe than sorry alternative.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Actually, I linked numerous articles that attested to the fact that cloth masks did nothing to stop the virus, it went through, like a mosquito through a chain link fence, but they were reported and removed by someone at the Gazette. Please cite your data sources as I currently waiting for data from the University of Kansas to whom I have asked to substantiate a statement made concerning support for the masks. I suggest Facebook "Recall Kelly" as all the articles concerning the effectiveness of cloth masks can be found there, and it is not being removed by FB. Some people aren't making this political, they are relying on the science and actual data from studies as far back as 2015. Not worth my time to bother with people who simply don't have the tools to get it! So, "Bah" said the sheep as they marched to slaughter.

JustAName

The conclusion from one of gypsy's links... 'Conclusion

The study suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control also suggest a benefit, and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in universal community face mask use as well as in health care settings. Trials in healthcare workers support the use of respirators continuously during a shift. This may prevent health worker infections and deaths from COVID-19, as aerosolisation in the hospital setting has been documented"

Hananova

JustAname, if you put everyone in a pod, as in the movie, "the Matrix" then everyone will be "safe". And secure. If we have to wear masks for the rest of our lives, then that is not living, that is a kind of death. The end of our economy, the end of our liberty, and the end of our civilization.

JustAName

Didn't realize this was for my entire life. I was fine with a mask when I went out in public places.... But for the rest of my life?! No way. I missed the lifetime part of this.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Per Kelly, until a vaccine is available. I have heard that one may need to be vaccinated and carry a card, but that may or may not be true. So, looks like wearing it for 12 to 18 months, maybe 24 months per what they are estimating. Cases have already dropped, mortality is much lower than estimated, so that won't make a difference in whether the masks are necessary. Maybe Lyon County will step up follow some of the other counties in the state, like Johnson County for instance.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

"Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE)."

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/ Association of American Physicians and Surgeons,

JustAName

Since you like to call people sheep and tell everyone that we lack knowledge or don't have the tools, I decided to look up your site. "Overall, we rate the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) an extreme right Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, use of poor sources, a lack of transparency with funding as well as numerous false claims and failed fact checks" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/association-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-aaps/?amp Now I don't have all the tools that you do, but what I do with this info from a site that is questionable, very right "extreme" leaning, represents a very very small portion of doctors? Also I don't use social media or get my news from them, especially Facebook. But I read two of the links you posted earlier, then gave up, because one OSHA and the CDC both said wearing masks is beneficial, the other also concluded there's benefits from wearing masks. Guess I don't have all the tools yet. Sigh.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

I have several articles, you can ask the editor for a copy of those posts that were removed. Why bother with people with people that frankly aren't worth the effort? Now, where did you post your studies regarding the effectiveness? I can't find them. Oh, Comrade Kelly and her minions said so! One more time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b0AhqvAVw Obviously, you don't get news from anyone or you wouldn't just be pulling thoughts out of your, you know. Well, at least Johnson County has enough educated people that they are willing to let their residents make informed decisions, so we'll see if the county commission feels that way about the residents of Lyon County now. For a county that locked down early and hard, seriously, all the bragging about the number of cases and a "marketing manager" screening people................Oh, my gosh! Anyone with the slightest background in science knows that a cloth mask will not contain the virus, seriously, no one should even need an opinion from anywhere else. Commonsense appears to be in short supply here.

JustAName

Yes and several of the links you posted in the past have all had questionable bias reviews... Much like the last one you posted "extreme right Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, use of poor sources, a lack of transparency with funding as well as numerous false claims and failed fact checks" and I've used your own links that have concluded masks are beneficial, and the CDC recommends them. And I've posted links showing the opposite, and those links had center and positive bias review. But what im tired of is the constant calling people "uneducated, sheep, don't have the tools" just because someone has a different opinion than you. And assuming I follow everything Kelly says like the gospel. And your still rambling on about a marketing manager that just made a written statement. But since you are clearly the brightest bulb in the bunch..."Why bother with people with people that frankly aren't worth the effort? " ... Why do you keep posting here? You keep sharing your right wing bias, quackery level pseudoscience sites to us dumb uneducated, sheep, non Johnson county folk. Why bother.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

To make it easier for some, this video explains why a cloth mask doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b0AhqvAVw The size of the virus will pass right through the pores of the mask, and imagine all the different materials being used and how the difference in thread count will play into it. Some are making them out of cheese cloth so they can still breathe.

JustAName

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/face-masks-effective-in-protecting-against-coronavirus-2020-6

JustAName

Overall, we rate Business Insider Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record.

Alfred

Just a name who is "we"

JustAName

Sorry here's the link https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/business-insider/

prairieprincess

Marc doesn’t want to wear a mask because he’s a smoker! lol 😂

out-thebox-side

The problem you will see locally will be businesses requiring masks while inside their stores because of the mandate. If you don’t have a mask, they can refuse business and kick you out. If you then refuse to leave, it becomes a legally enforceable matter; trespassing.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

From what I have heard, people will shop elsewhere or online, so problem solved.

flinthills88

Online is probably the best option for people not responsible enough to wear a mask.

Out Of Here Prev: SnowGypsy

Seriously, get educated and stop listening to the fear mongering! The businesses will suffer, but those with masks will feel good about themselves.

JustAName

Once again another uneducated person according to gypsy. Sad that anyone who disagrees or has different opinions are uneducated or sheep. Close minded.

Aim_High

I don't think Governor Kelly has ever lost in Court yet... I know there was a group on Facebook "working on a petition" to recall Governor Kelly, but I don't think they ever figured out what a petition is since they collected zero signatures... they weren't the brightest facebook group... The governors mask mandate will and should stand. Masks work, naysayers only disagree because of their political agendas. No excuse to not do what you can to protect your fellow citizen except selfishness and politics. Saaad!

Alfred

I think she lost to the churches in Dodge city and Junction City.

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Vintage Queen

Your thinking is why the US has the highest number of cases while citizens of other countries were smart enough to wear masks and socially-distance and SENSIBLY reopened. LOOK at the numbers of other countries, look at ours. We don't act like the UNITED States, if we did, there wouldn't be the big outbreaks we are seeing. States all doing different things, while their citizens travel BETWEEN states. Bars, churches, parties are linked to outbreaks. People acting like there IS NO COVID, crowding together, THAT'S the problem and thinking like yours.

Hananova

My comments are courtesy:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest

"Swiss Policy Research"

“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” (Albert Camus, 1947)

Hananova

Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Millions of surgeries and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.

Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.

The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.

Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.

At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as the risk of disease and transmission in children is extremely low. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.

The claim that only (severe) Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.

Several medical experts described express coronavirus vaccines as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions. In the testing of new coronavirus vaccines, too, serious complications and failures have already occurred.

A global influenza or corona pandemic can indeed extend over several seasons, but many studies of a “second wave” are based on very unrealistic assumptions, such as a constant risk of illness and death across all age groups.

Several nurses, e.g. in New York City, described an oftentimes fatal medical mis­manage­ment of Covid patients due to questionable financial incentives or inappropriate medical protocols.

The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim far more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN 1.6 billion people around the world are at immediate risk of losing their livelihood.

NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the permanent expansion of global surveillance. Renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.

More than 600 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.

A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”. Nevertheless, contact tracing apps have already become partially mandatory

Hananova

Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.

Strong increases in regional mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Questionable regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.

In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. Moreover, this year up to 15% of health care workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.

The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.

Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.

The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.

Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.

There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.

Hananova

Hey, Comrade, welcome to the PRK - the People's Republic of Kansas.

And for what are we enduring the destruction of our culture and our economy?

According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).

In countries like the US, the UK, and also Sweden (without a lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; in countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland, overall mortality is in the range of a mild influenza season.

Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.

Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.

Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid-19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses). The initial assumption that there was no immunity against Covid-19 was not correct.

The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years (e.g. 86 years in Sweden) and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.

In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.

Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.

Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.

Vintage Queen

I guess you missed the memo. MANY have likely died of COVID or it's complications, but weren't tested for it (I guess if they were short on tests, they didn't want to feel they were using on someone who already passed). You can quote all you want, stats are there. We are at almost 3 million cases, 130,000 deaths and then there's this for those WAITING for herd immunity (after it's killed off all those to weak to fight it). https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/immunity-to-the-coronavirus-is-fragile-and-short-lived-immunologist-warns/ar-BB16oSue?ocid=msedgdhp

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