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glarson (anonymous) says...

More on the original editorial:

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...

July 17, 2009 at 6:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Sorry to belabor the point, but I hope this puts the rumor to rest. Best argument of all is contained in this snopes post -- why would a man spending millions upon millions of dollars to attain the presidency risk it all over a falsified birth certificate which could be easily revealed as a forgery in no time at all. And yes, he has indeed presented a copy of his birth certificate for inspection to the proper authorities. And no, he has not presented the ORIGINAL because the original is registered and preserved in the files of the Hawaii Board of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics. Some people, however, continue to believe otherwise simply because they want to and no amount of evidence will sway them. What is more, they are just plain upset that this man became president.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/...

July 17, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I know this thread has wandered around on several different topics somewhat related to politicians and their accountability/character..... but..... just as I've said..... since it looks like Sanford was not the honest and moral character in his personal life that he claimed to be...... looks like he didn't mind sticking it to us (taxpayers) in his public life either...... big surprise (NOT!).... hope that tongue-in-cheek last line doesn't get this comment removed.... :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2009...

July 17, 2009 at 10:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

create,

I'm going to have to suggest removal of your last post on grounds that it doesn't agree with the agenda I'm trying to push. Sorry.

Observation, agreed. I'm beginning to wonder if Hart didn't speak too soon since there hasn't been a retraction. Can any of the gazette staff that monitor these boards so dilligently takes some time to investigate this and give us an update? I want to know who to point the finger at! If someone has been studying the bible and praying in their free time we have a right to know about it! It's not like they were doing harmless things like getting favors from interns or performing magic tricks in the white house during their free time. Hey Monica, wanna see me make this cigar disapear?

July 17, 2009 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Don't know if there is any conformation on the c street house yet, but if your curious try "God's Senator" on the internet. This Rolling Stone article about Sam does state he lived in the house on c street owned by a "Cell". If you also read the entire article it mentions his chief of staff, and a fight he got into in college over gay rights. The chief of staff is running for Brownbacks office now and his headquarters are in Strong city or Cottonwood falls I think. He and his family were in the 4th of July parade. The article also has a nice picture of Brownback in an Emporia Veterans Day parade with the Town Royal in the background. Almost a better picture than the one of my house:)

July 17, 2009 at 11:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

You've got to fight, for your right, to ga--ay!

July 17, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

-Observation
Brian Hart, Communications Director, is in Washington D.C.I verified, by phone, today that he did post on our forum about Senator Brownback. They have a policy of only replying to an article,(or blog) once, unless they need to.
If you have any other questions he is at..202-224-6521.
Nothing has changed. The information is the same, so I was told that I could pass this on.
Also, if anyone wants to send a message to Senator Brownback regarding the Health Bill, you can call that number (or, Topeka-785-233-2503.)
I asked that the Senator please READ the Bill, if- or when- it goes to the Senate, and that he requests it be posted on the internet for public reading, for at least the amount of time the President promised all bills would be posted.

July 17, 2009 at 12:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I don' t know why people even get upset, discuss or debate such topics, that relate to any politician and there wrong doing. I think we all know that politicians, all politicians are not the most honest, credible, accountable or trustworthy individuals in the world.
This is all I have to say on the matter of politicians and their credibility. accountability or character !

July 17, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Too true methusla.

July 17, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

I think letting this story go into left field is the idea. I noticed during the whole smoking ban conversation that someone imposed a 50 or 100 post limit on these boards. Especially during the aftermath of the Gazette reporting on that air quality "study" CAE put together AND conducted AND presented the findings.

Since then I am noticing some stories that have in excess of 250 posts to the blog before it is turned over to a forum. While other stories are kept within the limit. I am NOT prepared to say that the Gazette consciously rolls stories over into a forum when the comments don't put the Gazette or their staff in a positive light. I would appreciate help from the routine posters to keep a closer eye on them with regard to how many posts a story needs before it gets thrown into a forum. I know we are all busy people. Something I am almost sure media folks take into account.

July 17, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Hi Methusla :-)
I wasn't confirming anything except that Brian Hart, did post on our forum about Senator Brownback.
You made me laugh though, because I wish I could count the number of times you've posted about the lack of credibility and character of politicians,and then said...This is all I have to say about it."
You're so right though, it does us NO good to get upset about them- although, I admit, I do like to debate.

- Create
What you posted is true.
I ADMIT it! I'm one of those people! :-)

Posted by create (anonymous) on July 17, 2009 at 8:10 a.m
Some people, however, continue to believe otherwise simply because they want to and no amount of evidence will sway them. What is more, they are just plain upset that this man became president.

July 17, 2009 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

-allintogether
I used to post a lot a year or so ago, but I do read, and I am amazed at how long we can go on a topic Sometimes it changes 2 or 3 times, before getting back to the original topic though.
I've been involved in a few threads over the years that have continued on over 50 -100 posts, but, I'd rather see that happen than no discussions at all.
I'm sure Methusla and Create will agree with me.(and Observation, too)?

July 17, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Renegade,

The folks here contributing and the range of intelligent discussion are the reasons I keep coming back. I love the points of view here. I love the exchange of ideas as well as the conflicts. I would rather have an indexed thread than after a certain amount of posts gets rolled out to a separate url that doesn't register on the most active section of the home page. If a story doesn't register on the most active section of the home page the less people will weigh in. So, in essence, rolling a story out to the forum is a way to curb attention being given to a story. Or it is a way to distinguish old news from new news.

I just want my local paper to be responsible, show little bias and encourage free discussion of news. Have a great weekend everybody!

July 17, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

"folks here contributing and the range of intelligent discussion"

Yeah, I got that! /;-p

July 17, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

ahhh, thanks allintogether, I'm sorry, I obviously didn't follow what you were saying, the first time I read it.
I've taken time to read your post again, and I do understand now..and I agree with you. :-)

July 17, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

Great! No apology necessary. Happy to clarify.

July 17, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I tried and tried to stay out of the Presidential Citizenship debate...but to no avail. So here goes.

What possible motivation could President Obama have for lowering himself into this rather senseless debate over his birth certificate. He was duly elected and sworn in as the President of the United States of America. He has been accepted as such by every legitimate government in the world. No legitimate legal authority is challenging his position. So why legitimize the moot concerns of a few conspiracy theorists. To pay any attention to their demands....much less offer up proof to counter their claims.....would only serve to justify claims that as of now have no merit. JMO

July 17, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Everyone who voted for anybody other than Obama is a racist.
Even in elections where Obama wasn't on the ballot.
If you voted for Pedro, you are a racist!

July 17, 2009 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Socialized medicine will get pushed through, it's going to happen. Then there are going to have to be all sorts of bans and "sin" taxes to pay for it and the religious right will get blamed for it even though they(bans and taxes) will come from the left to cut health care costs and raise money to pay for their social programs. Articles like this are just prepping people to believe that the religious right is responsible for bans and such and the swingin' left wants you to live it up and they won't judge(even though when you start to bankrupt their social agendas they will have to). The sad thing is some on the right will support the bans and taxes because they forget about the "small" in small government. That's why I'm third party.

July 17, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Bob Dylan wont get a smattering of the coverage upon his death that Jackson did. Reason....because Dylan changed the way people thought.....Jackson chnged the way they looked and danced.....and we all know which one is most important in our culture today. Besides, Dylan was a true liberal.....Jackson was just too weird.

See how easy I am to hijack.

July 18, 2009 at 6:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I did see on the tube last night that our romeo governor from South Carolina also has now been connected to the house on "C" Sstreet. Not that he had lived there.....but that he had frequented the place for awhile. That's about all I caught on the subject.

July 18, 2009 at 6:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

You're right, biscuit. Here's an excerpt and the link from which I took it on the Washington Post.

"Although Sanford visited the house, there is no indication that he was ever a resident; when he was in Congress from 1995 to 2000, the parsimonious lawmaker was famous for forgoing his housing allowance and bunking in his Capitol Hill office. But it is not uncommon for residents to invite fellow congressmen to the home for spiritual bonding. There, Sanford enjoyed a kind of alumnus status. Richard Carver, president of the Fellowship Foundation, said, "I don't think it's intended to have someone from South Carolina get counseling there." But he posited that Sanford turned to C Street "because he built a relationship with people who live in the house." "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

July 18, 2009 at 8:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

concerned 3rd party member " Boy howdy am I concerned about this runaway national deficit."

democrat"Look over there, Sarah Palin is putting on expensive eye liner!"

concerned 3rd party member"But didn't she quit? She's powerless now, right? Can we talk about the issues that matter?"

democrat"Look some *%$#@&!@#$ "religious" "people" aren't perfect like us liberals, get em'!"

concerned 3rd party member "It seems to me that you liberals learned a thing or two about "mass distractions" from Bush."

democrat"Cheney was a Chinese fighter pilot at Gitmo and he waterboarded Pelosi until she forgot about it and then ................"

July 18, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I'ts a well-known fact that not a single non-Caucasian person ever bought a single Dylan album, therefore he did not promote any unity and healing between races as Jackson did.

;-)

July 18, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

To hijack this thread in yet another direction,,,,,how about that Walter Cronkite being a damned old liberal! I didn't know that either. I do wonder if he really was so much better than the lot we have feeding us opinions as news today.....or were we all just less sensitive to right and left....conservative and liberal....so we weren't constanly looking for the affront or the ommission as we do today.

July 18, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I read somewhere that the news has gotten into the entertainment business and I think that's true. No more "just the facts" there's gotta be a hook or an angle to dazzle the readers/viewers/listeners/people getting their "news" beamed straight into their brains by secret government satellites. Walter was old school "just the facts" and he will be missed. Nowadays you have to decode what the media spews, it's sad.

The folksy kind.
Seriously R. Folks

July 18, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I have thought that the bast place for her would be in a third party(Constitution Party) and I would vote for her. She appears to have the 3rd party spirit with statements like "Politically, if I die, I die. So be it".I really like that. I don't think however that a third party can get 34%. People are still too afraid that they are throwing their vote away by voting third party. Me, I don't care if my vote "doesn't count" it's my conscience that counts. Winning isn't always winning and losing isn't always losing. If that makes sense.

How much more folksy Could he be?
The answer is none, none more folksy.
Seriously R. Folks

July 18, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Bob Dylan is the grandfather of folksy by the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ATqE-...

July 18, 2009 at 11:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

create said: "Some people, however, continue to believe otherwise simply because they want to and no amount of evidence will sway them. What is more, they are just plain upset that this man became president."

Same thing happened in 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988....etc.....

What makes you think 2008 should suddenly be any different? ;-)

July 18, 2009 at 6:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Actually, YY4U...... I complained about Obama's non-church and the non-reverend that was his close spiritual friend and advisor, but I never complained about him being a Muslim. I actually posted on here I thought that was alot of hooey.

So its not all the same people. Just to clarify :)

July 18, 2009 at 6:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

and he's pretty

July 18, 2009 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

he's real good at the internet
and I would know
I'm from the internet

July 18, 2009 at 10:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

But, who is going to save us from the day of the one who saves the day that is eventually going to need to be saved by the one who is going to try and save that day ?
HUH, confusing isn' t it !

July 18, 2009 at 10:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C570by...

July 18, 2009 at 10:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I'm confused and it's only four-thirty in the morning....my god what am I going to be by noon?

July 19, 2009 at 4:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Thanks for the link to Bob Dylan, seriously. Good one. No comparison to Jackson, that's for damned sure. Besides, Dylan never straightened his hair or changed the shape of his nose.

July 19, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

seriouslyfolks..... could that possibly mean that....... Al Gore is your Father? (Not Darth Vader?)......!!!!!!!!!!

You must be so jealous of the Palin kids. 100mph cop chases & drugs, and you still can't get 1/10 the media coverage they do...... tsk, tsk, tsk..... maybe you should have went to more Bible study classes....(for the media coverage)..... ;-)

July 19, 2009 at 1:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Al Gore is daddy to us all and our mother is earth.

July 19, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Now I have definitive proof for the liberals on here that Obama's birth certificate is fake. A retired General has now joined the lawsuit!!! I know how much you guys love retired Generals and how highly you regard their opinions on all things from when you had them commenting on the Iraq war failure on CNBC every hour on the hour, before we won that is. So here you go:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/s...

July 20, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

What's next? Obama standing on the grassy knoll in Dallas?

Get real! This is not definite proof. This only proves that there is another nut wasting the tax payer money. This is just one more part of an unending conspiracy theory train that will go on forever, even past 2012. These claims have already been thrown out of federal court for being frivolous.

Wanna know what Cook's major malfunction is? He doesn't want to go to war. So they let him off and he's still belly aching. I wouldn't want the services of Major Cook in my outfit either because those types can and will do tons of damage to disrupt their fellow soldiers in their aims.

Again I say. If it were true, then why didn't McCain press the issue? Again I say, Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen and wherever she gave birth, that baby is a U.S. citizen too.

You just like to stir the pot, under_score. You love to bait. You're a master at it. ROFLMAO.

July 20, 2009 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Bush caused hurricane Katrina.

It's funny what people believe when they hate a person.

July 20, 2009 at 9:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

under_score
A black man is president and their are those who don' t like the fact that, 1. A black man was elected president 2. That his father was a Kenyan 3. Perhaps the Republicans and Conservatives are still P--sed about losing the election.
Where is the Ledger-Enquirer newpaper located ?
The Ledger-Enquirer is a McClatchy newspaper headquartered in Downtown Columbus, Georgia, in the United States. It was founded in 1828 as the Columbus Enquirer by Mirabeau B. Lamar[1]. Lamar grew up at Fairfield, his father's plantation near Milledgeville, Georgia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledger-E...
Could it be that racism may be a part of the sentiment against the current black president of the U. S.. All one has to do is look at where the Ledger-Enquirer newspaper is headquartered.
If you want to read the whole story that under_score is commenting about go to, http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/s... and read the complete story . I would say that under_score is nothing more than a firebrand. fire·brand (frbrnd)
n.
1. A person who stirs up trouble or kindles a revolt

July 20, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Excellent point about the Ledger-Enquirer, methusla. Lamar, son of a plantation owner. Hmmmmmm....

July 20, 2009 at 10:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

My point hast surely been missed by half.
Let not your self righteousness swell because of your love for the one when your hate for the other is just as grand.

Seriously R. Folks

It goes both ways.

July 20, 2009 at 11:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

allintogether (anonymous) says...

So has anyone seen a response from Kelley regarding the C street Brownback guilt by association hatchet job? Any other clarification other than what Renegade posted?

July 20, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

methusla and create,

Unfortunately your racism argument can never be seriously taken ever again now that we have a black president. If you would like to discuss racism let's talk about Obama getting 95% of the black vote. I didn't vote for Obama because of his politics.............and oh, because as a Kenyan national he is not eligible to be president of the US.

There was a lot worse bullcrap flying around about our last president and a lot more of it. I'm sure you all saw right through that and weren't hanging on every word of it.

Try having a sense of humor about your own inability to see how you were acting just last year.

At least George Bush loved America, from what I can see Obama hates it, why else would he be trying to destroy it. Of course, as a Kenyan national why would he feel any allegiance to America?

Seriously,
I wish Cheney would never have invented that weather machine and I wish Bush had never tested it on New Orleans. In hindsight that was a mistake but all we can do is move forward now.

July 20, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

C Street? Brownback? What is this guy talking about?

July 20, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

"Try having a sense of humor..." Yeah, that's what all you right wingnuts say when the water gets too hot.

I remember first arriving in Emporia from Hawaii in the mid-70's and having people actually ask, "How do you like living in the states?" I shook my head then, and I'm shaking it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I stayed. You bet I stayed, and obtained for myself an excellent education at ESU too. However, I still shake my head from time to time and one of those times is now.

July 20, 2009 at 12:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

under_score
First of all the presidents father was a Kenyan national and his mother was a U.S. citizen. Does that make Obama a Kenyan national or an American citizen because of his mother ?
He is a citizen of the U.S. by right of his place of birth !

Most people become U.S. citizens by:

•Birth, either within the territory of the United States or to U.S. citizen parents, or•Naturalization, the process of obtaining U.S. citizenship.Additionally, any child under the age of 18 who is adopted by a U.S. citizen and immigrates to the United States will acquire immediate citizenship according to the Child Citizenship Act (CCA) passed by Congress in 2000.
XIV Amendment to the Constitution of the United States .
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Am I and the Constitution incorrect about this?
And if you think because the U.S. has a black president that racism is dead or has disappeared in the U.S. you are very misguided !

July 20, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

C street, brownback, wasn't that what this thread was about? I would still like to hear some clarification from the Gazette on this. As far as the debate on racism, smoking budget,politics, etc , you guys can start a new thread by going to the bottom of the news Forum page and click on "Start a new discussion". I'm not jumping on anyone, you just might get more disscussion on your favorite topic if it was titled right.

July 20, 2009 at 12:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

rbow
You are right friend, I only got drawn into a discussion about whether Obama is a citizen because of idiotic comments.

July 20, 2009 at 2:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Observation
From what I gather from your post is that you are for national health care for pets. I think while you have valid points this isn't the time. We can't do everyones "pet" projects right now.;)

Seriously R. Folks

July 20, 2009 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

create - did people mention "how do you like it here in the states" because they didn't know Hawaii was a state, or was it their way of referring to the "mainland"? I've used that exact phrase myself before to people from Hawaii and/or Alaska, and I meant it as a slangy way of referring to the "lower 48".

And I knew full well at the time both were a state. After all, I could see both of them from the roof of my house :)

Observation - what about Valiant, the pigeon (from the animated movie)? I'll bet Jimbo would have eaten Valiant if given half a chance, so I'm not all that convinced Jimbo wasn't working undercover........

Brownback. Isn't that a type of or color phase of a bear?

July 20, 2009 at 5:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Seriouslyfolks, unless it is a "pork" project. Our government seems to have an affinity for pet pigs these days........ maybe that's what the "POT" of "POTUS" stands for.... the "pot" in "pot-bellied"....... :)

July 20, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

NEWS ALERT:

FOR A FAIR AND BALANCED REPORT ON THE C STREET STORY TURN TO 51 RIGHT NOW. RACHEL MADDOW IS GETTING READY TO DO A "STORY" ON IT.

July 20, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

C Street?? Now I'm going to have to watch Valiant. I don't remember that part in the movie, but I was distracted by the kids through most of it.

July 20, 2009 at 8:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Well.... here's another reality check for you. In addition to walking off the stage after 10 minutes because nobody was laughing, Jeanne Garafalo is over in Britain telling this to the BBC:

"Mostly the media in the States is much more to the right. I mean there is almost no liberal outlet for news commentary and editorializing.”

And people doubted me when I said she had no brain. Yeah, gotta admit old open_eyes knows more about medicine & anatomy than any of you believed, doesn't he....?????!!!!!

July 20, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

WELL THAT CERTAINLY FAIR AND BALANCED.

How do you balance a nothing news story?

July 20, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I think it's somewhere between B and D streets.

July 20, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Speaking of B, C, and D, thought I'd share this little socialism experiment story:

"An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that."

July 21, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Speaking of hijacking a thread:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE....

July 21, 2009 at 4 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Did Brownback miss any votes while in the Senate?
Or would it be easier to count the ones he actually was there to vote on?

July 21, 2009 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

"Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.......
The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.
Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth."

In the words of Larry The Cable Guy, (sortof), "I don't care who you are, now that there's interesting!"

lol

July 21, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I for one don't give a damn if he was born in Timbukto. His mother is a natural born citizen of the United States of America therefore....ipso facto.....he is ever bit as elegible to be President as Senator McCain. Get over it!

July 21, 2009 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

He does speak some good American and his looks are that of a mythical creature that has the body of a deer and the torso of Betty White. I disagree with him on policy and such but if I look at him for too long or listen too much I start to agree with him so I have to look away, plug my ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA". I learned that technique in the Army. I think that he won cuz people don't want to not listen to him and that lookin at him is so neat. They don't want to not to. JMO

Seriously R. Folks

July 21, 2009 at 9:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

The Birth Announcement. A birth announcement in a newspaper means nothing. Although Michelle Malkin waxed a little snarky on this, "Did a fortune-teller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?", it is fairly common to run such announcements for babies born outside the area of the announcement or even the US. Proud grandparents, for example, could have run the announcement just to let people know they are now grandparents.

The announcement is not exactly informative . It says "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, son. Aug 4." That's it. It ran on page B-6 of the August 13, 1961 edition of The Sunday Advertiser. It is not an official document of any kind and makes no claim of the location of his birth in any case. It announces a birth, period.

The "Verification." Here is how the story was reported by KITV .

"The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate."

That looks pretty black and white -- at first glance. And that is how it normally gets reported. But read it again and then the whole article. The above statement simply says the birth certificate is legitimate. The actual quote from the Department of Health director is

"I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

All they did was verify that Obama's original birth certificate is on record. But that doesn't tell us what we need to know. What we need to know is where he was born.

Surprisingly, Hawaii happens to issue birth certificates for babies born outside Hawaii. The Hawaiian law on that states:

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

The state of Hawaii did not say what was on the certificate and it won't release a copy out of privacy considerations. The state of Hawaii simply verified that Obama has a birth certificate on record; it did not verify that he was born in Hawaii.

July 22, 2009 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

That last post is from americanthinker.com

July 22, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I have seen what was purported to be a copy of President Obama's birth certificate on TV numerous occassions.....including just moments ago on Morning Joe where Joe himself (a conservative Republican) described this entire situation as a manufactured concept of the conspiracy fringe.

I too carry a copy of my purported birth certificate that I can whip out and show people if I need to. But apparently nothing that has been done so far is good enought to satisfy you or under-score so I assume that all these copies that I keep seeing are just part of the conspiracy in your view. So just what is it that you are wanting to see that you havern't already seen.....and just what would have to be offered to prove the point to you? What would you accept as his birth certificate? And if his copy can be faked why can't mine or anybody else's for that matter? If that;s true then what value do they have at all?

To my knowledge no previous president in modern times anyway has ever been asked to stand with hat and birth certificate in hand at the swearing in ceremony so I have to question why now? And since I have never known anyone that felt such a billboard was in order....nor have I ever seen one in the past....I again have to question why now?

July 22, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Why am I convinced that the only thing you will ever accept as the truth on this matter is something that would prove him inelegible for the job.....Might it be because you have often shown your hatred for everything he is and every thing he does?

July 22, 2009 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Right on biscuitboy. President Obama I'm sure has better things to do than sit back and pander to every single accusation against him. I'll even take it one step further and say that it doesn't really matter where he was born or if his father was a British citizen and his mother a minor. He was raised most of his life here in the US and is a US citizen now. The constitution is more of a guidline and needs to be adapted to the conditions we have today. Besides, its too late now, he is president and everyone needs to deal with it! Especially these hillbilly christians who don't like him just because he doesn't practice religion!

July 22, 2009 at 8:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

I second that "right on biscuit boy" post.

Just for the sake of argument, I asked my daughter who is visiting from Chicago this week, to bring her copy of her birth certificate with her. She was born in Honolulu in July of 1963, to me, a woman of part Hawaiian, part Portuguese ancestry who was born in the Territory of Hawaii in 1943, and to her father, a white anglo-saxon Texan. The copy of her birth certificate looks just like the one I've seen of Obama. I'm guessing the designs were the same since they are of the same vintage by only two years.

My daughter's birth announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser and Honolulu Star Bulletin look exactly like the one quoted by under_score above. Just the names and addresses are different of course. Those two newspapers are major dailies serving well over a million people on all eight islands. Do you honestly think they have room for more than one quick sentence to announce a birth? On top of that, genealogy researchers use birth announcements in newspapers in their research and offer place of birth with those announcements as proof.

C'mon! This is just another wingnut conspiracy and already the talking heads are all referring to it in that way.

July 22, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

and there it is

July 22, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

My comment was for the last statement bizquikboy made not what create said. Although it does show your(bisquitboy and create) true feelings as you have pointed out many times before.

July 22, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Ya know.... the funny thing about all this is..... it's really alot like all the ethics charges that have been thrown at Palin..... they're all being dismissed as frivolous...... but then its funny to sit back and watch this ONE charge being thrown at Obama, which could be easily disproven just by 1 simple act that seems to be not forthcoming........ really kinda hilarious in a hypocritical kind of way if you think about it...... guess all the constant ethics charges are coming from a bunch of "hillbilly atheists who don't like her just because she practices religion!" - (wingnut conspiracies by those who are just absolutely resolutely determined that one way or another, by golly, they are going to make sure she is completely destroyed - since they can't really find a way to do it, they've decided to break her financially) - LOLOLOLOL

July 22, 2009 at 9:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

under_score,

You should probably read this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/2...

July 22, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

That is coming from a really neutral person on a very neutral web site.

Sarah Palin is just dum. Anyone that goes to a public college is dum. And I don't thank that baby is hers, it is probably her daugther baby, that's what I herd.

July 22, 2009 at 9:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

bizquikboy
"Obama has spoken often and eloquently about the importance of religion in public life."
from this
http://www.newsweek.com/id/145971

I guess you can't like him anymore since he practices religion. huh?

The whole debate over Obama's citizenship is dumb IMO. It's like when they were trying to take Clinton down for being a philanderer. It just makes the accusers look bad and it's not productive. He's pres and that's that.

There is so much wrong with the above post by bizquikboy I ..............

July 22, 2009 at 10:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

YY4U

She's that chick.

July 22, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

seriously

He is only pretending to be religious because in this country people are so loony that you have to be religious to be president. Never mind the separation of church and state. I know it may sound hypocritical but that is one piece of the constitution that we should keep!

July 22, 2009 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Thanks create, we lefties need to stick together. I don't care whether he was born in antarctica. He is already the BEST president we've ever had. He is going to level the playing field so that those of us who haven't had the fortune of having rich ancestors will have a chance to live the good life. I think people making all of that money should be able to spare some of it for me.

July 22, 2009 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Right on YY4U. Palin may be hotter than bacon grease but that's all she got goin for her. She's dumer than a box a rocks. And don't even get me started on the gun thing.

July 22, 2009 at 10:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I am far from liberal but I must say it is refreshing to hear bizquikboy's honesty about what being a liberal is all about. I will get many good quotes from him.

bizquikboy
Please do go on about "the gun thing".

July 22, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

bizquikboy
Smoking bans good or bad?
On one hand they tell people what to do.
On the other hand they supposedly keep health care costs down which is needed for health care reform to work.

July 22, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

YY4U,

Not sure where you're coming from but why should people keep working hard when the rich just get richer and the poor stay poor? The rich need to start paying their fair share!!!

Gun's should be outlawed. Hunting is rediculous. There is plenty of meat in the supermarket there is no reason to have to go and kill anything. Obama was right when he said that when people are scared they start clinging to guns and religion.

That is my only critique of Obama, I wish he would fight for what we believe in a little harder and stand up for what he believes. But I guess for political reasons you can't always do that.

July 22, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Smoking bans are obviously good. Sometimes people who don't know any better need to be told what to do by those that are a little more enlightened. And by banning smoking you keep health care costs down.

We are a quasi-socialist state now and we need to stop apologizing for it. We are what we are. We need to spread the wealth around and take care of each other.

July 22, 2009 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Thank you for being honest about what liberals are, bizquikboy.

This one goes out to you. From this fool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrUqA...

July 22, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I posted a link earlier in this thread showing how "Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush".
Gee..... so glad to hear that it's all fake and put on just to be Prez. Thx for the insight.

BTW.... I always thought "dumb" was spelled with 3 m's. Isn't it "dummm"? ;-)

Bizquikboy, thank you for all the enlightenment. As I've said before, at times all ya gotta do to make a point is dole out enough rope....

The 2nd amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting. They recognized that the easiest way for a government to take total control and take away people's freedoms was to first make sure the people were unarmed and defenseless.

Guess thanks to bizquikboy we're all headed for that "F" average as in the story I posted earlier. Thx!

July 22, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Patrick,

Where are you at on this story? You got enough info to fry this Brownback yet?

July 22, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

I can't believe you want to make a comparison between Big O and Little B. Bush is a war criminal who got us into an illegal war for oil and to finish what his daddy started. That guy should be in jail instead of wandering around freely on our streets.

July 22, 2009 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

How does one become enlightened?

July 22, 2009 at 11:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

By being open-minded like us. Come on down to the next Democrat picnic and we'll get you set up. It's never too late to change brother serious.

July 22, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

biz, could you please post the info proving it was illegal? And please don't forget to also post the accompanying links where the courts have already decided just the opposite. Thx! Also the links to where Clinton kept troops in Kosovo too long illegally would be nice. Appreciate it.

The path to enlightenment of the Biz kind is best found by sitting underneath a tree in the Buddha/lotus position while those who work hard for a living bring you half of their earnings and lay it at your feet.

Yah! Any more news on the fish fry?

July 22, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

But.... but... but.... biz...... the studies (and I've posted the links several times) show that liberals are much less likely to be open-minded and listen to both sides of a story than conservatives. I'm interested to hear your take on that. Does "open-minded like us" mean no other opinion or view than you own is tolerated? (Also they give less as a % of their income to charities and the needy. Their answer is the government should do that. In other words, other peoples' money should go to that. Not theirs).
I'm heading to the garage for more rope. Looks like I didn't bring enough first time :)

July 22, 2009 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Here we go again!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/gate...

Looks like a black professor was acting like an ahole to the cops and now he's throwing racism around and the NAACP and the media are following right along.

methusla, is this your idea of racism?

July 22, 2009 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Lay off of this bizquik guy, at least he'll come right out and admit he's a socialist. If Obama would have done this he wouldn't be pres right now.

July 22, 2009 at 12:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

If you disagreed with Reagan, it was because you didn't agree with his policies and views.

If you disagreed with Bush Senior, it was because you didn't agree with his policies and views.

If you disagreed with Clinton, it was because you didn't agree with his policies and views.

If you disagreed with Bush Junior, it was because you didn't agree with his policies and views.

If you disagree with Obama, then you're just a racist.

July 22, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

True, but he said that when he was in San Fran. You know the old saying, when in San Fran, do as the San Frans do. Uh-oh, I just thought of something else that's popular out there. Poor guy.

July 22, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Uhm.... actually.... Obama did say alot of that (when people weren't listening real close).

Bizquik for Prez!!!!!!

July 22, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

WOW.......as if I hadn't already made enough enemies of my own on here.....what about this new namesake of mine? Can't wait to hear what I'm going to be called now. Remember my alter-ego I was talking about the other day? Hmmmmm.

But back to business. I still haven't heard an answer to just what type of proof you would accept. The paranoid fringe has already rejected every thing thats been put on the table.....making it very clear to me that they don't really want proof.....they just want to keep stirring the pot. In my mind that's just further reason for refusing to respnd to their half-baked claims at all. And I always thought you only saw fruitcakes around Christmas.

July 22, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I never thought of myself as all that paranoid, and never really paid attention to any of this before truth be told, but now that the pot is stirred.... why isn't the one thing that is being asked for put on the table? Seems so simple.....

July 22, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

We won the election people! Get over it. biscuitboy, I thought these guys were supposed to turn the other cheek...hahahahaha

July 22, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Alright under_score...fess up.....bizquikboy is really your alter-ego or a ruse to get at me....which one is it?

July 22, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Echoes of 2000!

July 22, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

bizquikboy

Does being open minded include considering the foolishness of the cross?
I find that no one is open minded, you can always find something that they will not "open" up to.

I've been a Democrat and I've been a Republican and I can tell you that there is no "enlightenment" to be had in either place(any political party really).
Thanks for the invite though.

Grace and peace to you.

Seriously R. Folks

July 22, 2009 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

open_eyes.....you still didn't answer my question. What would you accept when everything that's been offered has been parsed and picked apart looking for that conspiracy. Like I said earlier.....from where I set...the only proof you want is proof that you are right. But since you are wrong, that won't be forthcoming. So sorry!

July 22, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

bizquikboy is honest and it's refreshing.

July 22, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Biscuitboy,

I think that bizquikboy is really cracknsack. She forgot her meds and the 16 personalities came out.

July 22, 2009 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Again.... I don't really care that much.... but its interesting in an entertaining sort of way....... again.... the one thing they are asking for.... the original certificate.... I'm sure it is within the power of the POTUS to ask for and produce it.... it kindof sounds to me like that is what the suits are asking for, correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe you could explain to me why that is so difficult for someone with that much power? One simple request..... instead everyone offers up mountains of "evidence" of anything and everything but that which is being asked for.
Besides, what one person calls "evidence" another might not be convinced of its authenticity. Remember WMD's?
Personally, I'd prefer to see proof that "I" am wrong, so the whole shebang can finally just go away (except for the diehards who will always be among us, on BOTH sides). Because I'm not convinced either way, just curious as I've said (and entertained). But I think that's what everyone you are referring to is asking for.

July 22, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Weltha (anonymous) says...

rbow- I was thinking the same thing. to funny. I was so trying not to post and butt in. but... I was also thinking, "How is this forum sight going to support 2 trolls?"

July 22, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

bizuikboy is either Gary Lukert (who let him out of his cage?) or someone with the opposite view posting in disguise trying to make some look silly. Next thing you know they'll be claiming someone on here posted "Kill Him" and that I didn't know Kansas was a State.

July 22, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

No. He is just an honest straight shooter that is giving us an insider look at the mind of a liberal and I appreciate it. Well, he may be Gary Lukert.

July 22, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Until the supposed State of Kansas can produce the original document proving where they were granted Statehood I will not believe it is a legitimate state.

Oops, they did. Its on record. Now gee, that sure was easy. I stand corrected and retract the above statement. Finis.

Next.

July 22, 2009 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

Gary Lukert is a very bright scholar. Although you may not agree with what he says it is probably just because you are unable to look in the mirror and see your own faults.

The far right has come unhinged. Did anyone see footage of Kathleen Sebelius getting crucified at that town hall in Lousiana yesterday? Those poor toothless cajuns down there have never even heard of dental insurance so they are afraid of it, even if it isn't costing them a dime! Pure foolishness.

biscuitboy, actually I'm registered under your username at the dailykos and huffpo. You've obviously got it taken so I used this one instead. I do agree with a lot of what you stand for though and hope we can become good friends on this forum!

July 22, 2009 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

oh SNAP! This just in!

http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/1...

July 22, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Coming from the Albert Einstein of our time!

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009...

July 22, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

ok, I think that makes it clear. The jig is up.

July 22, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I was referring to whether or not bizuikboy is for real.

July 22, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I think both points of view are well represented by this clip from the above article:

•After a caller said she initially thought the birth certificate controversy was "the dumbest thing ever," Dobbs replied:

DOBBS: Well, it is a dumb thing. I think we have to all admit this is a dumb thing either way, because, I mean, I can't understand why the president wouldn't just move to get this stuff out of the way. Show the documents, get it done -- I mean, he -- think about it.

July 22, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Let's give free health care to illegal aliens...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090722/c...

I want an update on this C street thing and I want it now. I'm half tempted to order a subscription to the gazette just so I can cancel it in protest!

July 22, 2009 at 2:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I really don't care who bisquikboy is or who he actually represents....He can speak for himself....and I will speak for me.

And I say the only one's who give a squat about this whole ridiculous psuedo-controversy are not going to accept any proof from any body that doesn;t support their half-baked theory any way. So Obama would not only be wasting his time with any further response...he would be legitimizing some thing that now has no legitimacy.

If bisquikboy is indeed somebody with oppossing views to mine just attempting to make a mockery of my views then I am complimented because I must have been ruffling some feathers to deserve such attention. If however he is real I will only say welcome aboard.

July 22, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I will unequivocally state that I will absolutely 100% accept the valid original birth certificate. And I am sure that I am not alone. Nor anywhere close to it. But then again...... I see pretty much the exact type of thing coming coming from the other direction on a host of things as well....... so let he who is without blame cast the first stone......

Even though we often disagree, biscuitboy, I've always thought you still had good sense and make some very good points. But if someone who thinks "Gary Lukert is a very bright scholar" is someone you "welcome aboard".................... my deepest condolences............ no further comment.................

July 22, 2009 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

open_eyes

I am now going to do something that no doubt will open me up to public scorn and ridicule from both sides.....but I am left with no choice than to ask a serious question. And I would really appreciate an answer from somebody.

Who the hell is Gary Luckert and what has he done to achieve the reputation....or lack of it.....that he seems to have on these boards. You see, I'm really not a political animal that spends all my life trolling the internet for names and data I can throw around. I'm just a person with a brain who thinks for himself and believes he has as much right to state his thoughts as anybody else here. So I mean it when I say I have no idea who this guy is.

State of hawaii officials however have apparently already certified that the birth certificate already in circulation is authentic....and that certification has already been rejected outright by one of our fellow posters here to day.....so what more can I say?

July 22, 2009 at 5:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

bizquikboy seems to think he's right there with you guys. If he's not you might want to clarify it for the rest of us and him.

I wonder if Gary Lukert ever played Frogger? I bet not.

Seriously R. Folks

July 22, 2009 at 6:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Observation.......Thank you

After reading his entries I can certainly understand why so many people here dislike him even if not for what he says...but for the way he says it. But I am always a little amused at how sensitive some people here can be as to how they are addressed when I have been called moron, an idiot, a homosexual, a lazy ingrate, and a rather long version of a--hole. All of this with virtually no notice given by some of the same so-sensitive folks.

But if I offered my approval to who post here and who doesn't based on weather or not I liked what they said or how they said it.....there would be many who wouldn't get my welcome.

So weather I agree with what he says or not is irrelevent.....I believe he has the right to say it. Isn't that after all what freedom of speech means?

July 22, 2009 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

After reading Gary Lukert's writing do you think he sounds like a guy who has enjoyed an awesome game of Frogger? IMO he doesn't, but you never know. Who here has played an awesome game of Frogger? Who hasn't? I'll go first. I have played an awesome game of Frogger. You?

Seriously R. Folks

July 22, 2009 at 7:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

seriouslyfolks

No way buddy....I'm not about to get drawn into weather or not he is like me.

He like everbody else here, with one or two exceptions, says things I agree with and things I don't agree with....and that includes you my friend. But when I agree with you it doesn't mean I'm like you any more that it means that I'm not like you when we disagree. And the same thing goes for him. So nice try...but no cigar.

July 22, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Believe it or not....this old man has played Frogger. Don't know how awesome it was.....I got smashed a lot.....but it was fun.

Does that make me more like you seriously?

July 22, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

YY4U

The dogs wanted me to thank you for your concern for their well-being.....So Thank You from the dogs.

July 22, 2009 at 7:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I think we can all find similarities if we look hard enough. Like being against burglary or having played an awesome game of Frogger (every game of Frogger is awesome by the way) and we all need to chill out sometimes and laugh.

Seriously R. Folks

July 22, 2009 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

seriouslyfolks:
I have never played Frogger...didn't even know what it was til my husband forced me to watch an inane show called Seinfeld in the late nineties. I've never seen the game in person. What does that make me (in your opinion)?

July 22, 2009 at 7:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Seinfeld was a great show!
George loved Frogger and was a champ.
I wonder if Gary Lukert watched Seinfeld?

oh4
Did you play Frogger yet? Isn't it awesome!

Thanks for the link YY4U!

July 22, 2009 at 8:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

oh4theluvof (anonymous) says...

Okay, after much inner debate as to whether I wanted to join in anything Seinfeld's George had anything to do with (he's a miserable little man who bothers me), I reluctantly followed the Frogger link. I attempted a round or two, finding it as bothersome as reading Gary Lukert's ramblings, when my intrigued young son asked to try it. He summed up my feelings about the whole thing when, with disdain, he said, "I thought frogs could swim?"
And there you have it---not awesome!

Thank you, anyway, YY4U.

I notice that seriously refrained from putting his foot further into his mouth in his Frogger judgement passing. Thank you, seriously. ;-)

July 22, 2009 at 9:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I haven' t posted a comment on this story because who cares about what some congressman who lives in a house on C street did in his affair with an aide anyway. And who in their right mind would even want Brownback as governor of Kansas in the first place. The man has been the typical do nothing congressman that they all are anyway !
Boy, the Gazette is really hard up for news these days.

July 22, 2009 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I wonder if Patrick ever pushed a Frogger game across C Street to preserve his high score?

July 22, 2009 at 9:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

"every game of Frogger is awesome "
It's true.

July 22, 2009 at 10:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

biscuitboy, I apologize if you didn't know who Gary Lukert is/was, I was assuming you did. It has/had nothing to do with trolling the internet for hours, simply that he somehow manages to get his ideas published here as an editorial at times. However, as much as I try to understand and give both sides the benefit of the doubt at times, there is a difference between everyone having their opinion and someone spouting off crap that takes about 10 seconds to refute 100%. My first experience with his "scholarly" writings was a rant about how only Republicans love killing babies and old people, they send kids to die, if they had kids of their own in the military they wouldn't, like the Democrats do. It took about 10 seconds to pull up the stats showing that Republicans with children in the military outnumber Democrats by quite a ways, and anyone with half a brain and who didn't totally flunk high-school history can go back in the last century and name quite a few wars that we entered under Democrat administrations.
So there's a difference between opinion and just being a plain idiot liar. So far, as much as I may get into some rather heated debates with different posters on here, I still have respect for pretty much just about everyone's opinion, except for his, and possibly one or 2 others that sound like him posting under another name. Besides, every adult knows it is extremely difficult to have a honest debate with a 2 year old. Sometimes they just need to sit in the corner until they can come back and play nice with others.

That being said...... I still think Frogger is a cool game, so maybe I'm not all that grown up either - LOL :)

July 22, 2009 at 11:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

open_eyes

I always try to act half way dignified...if not always pleasant....that's something my mother insisted on so many years ago. I occasionally fail...but not for lack of trying.

So in a belated answer to seriouslyfolk's earlier question, that would probably be what sets me apart from some on here...that and an attempt not to jump to conclusions about data that I really don't know about.

July 23, 2009 at 3:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Brownback or some other Republican will be the next governor of Kansas, there is no doubt about that. The DemoRats have pissed off the conservative independents like me to the point of no return.

Frogger is Awesome.

b...boy's are both flakes.

Seinfeld was the best sitcom ever....EVER.

Obama is racist. That cop was doing his job and all of the black racists are throwing out the victim card AGAIN to try to cover up the fact that they were in the wrong.

Don't act like a jackass when the cops come to check on your house and you won't get arrested.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regi...

I'll accept Obama's original long form as proof of his birth. I'm guessing it probably lists his religion as muslim on there or something else he wants to hide. This has been an issue for over a year now and he won't produce it, so my guess is he's hiding something.

July 23, 2009 at 7:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

"I always try to act half way dignified....if not always pleasent." ".....that's what probably sets me apart from some on here....that and an attempt not to jump to conclusions about data that I really don't know about."

And now folks I give you the polar opposite....under_score!
under_score...you know you really love me....I can feel it in your writings!

July 23, 2009 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

More on the lack of BO citizenship:

http://www.examiner.com/x-14129-Grand...

July 23, 2009 at 7:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Are you suggesting that I don't know anything about Frogger and/or Seinfeld? You sir, are wrong!

July 23, 2009 at 7:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

I love it when you talk dirty to me!!!!

July 23, 2009 at 7:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

I hope he doesn't produce it. This is too much fun.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/ob...

July 23, 2009 at 7:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

You are in a good mood today biscuitboy, did you get your food stamps and welfare check in the mail today? :)

July 23, 2009 at 7:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

From the newsmax article above:

Among the key documents that continue to be shielded from the public by Obama:

Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hand, released what he said was his complete medical file, totaling more than 1,500 pages.

Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois. Nor did he produce correspondence, such as his schedules of appointments or letters from lobbyists, from his days in the Illinois state Senate.

Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records. He maintained that he performed only a few hours of legal work for a nonprofit organization with ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago businessman convicted of fraud in June 2008, but did not release billing records that would prove this assertion.

Obama ignored requests for his records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.

Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Former President George W. Bush and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry all released their college transcripts.

Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois State Bar, which would have cleared up intermittent allegations that his application may have been inaccurate.

Obama did not release records from his time at Harvard Law School.

During the presidential campaign, McCain’s campaign released a full list of all online donors. Obama’s campaign still has not released the names of those who donated at least one-third of the $750 million he raised.

Ironically, Obama accused the Bush White House of being "one of the most secretive administrations in our history," and chided then-Sen. Hillary Clinton for not releasing her White House schedules.

July 23, 2009 at 7:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

No but I got yours....so I went ahead and spent it on cigs and cookies and pop and other junk food like you always do. I knew you wouldn't want to use any of it on your child support...you never do.

July 23, 2009 at 7:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

This doesn't sound stupid to me!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-glad...

July 23, 2009 at 8:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

You're not getting me confused with one of your liberal friends in your old age are you?

July 23, 2009 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Wow P_DOG, (biscuitboys new slang nickname).

Is under_score your ex-wife? You must have done something to Rile them up?

It makes for good reading though.

July 23, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

So is bizquikboy gone?

July 23, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

under_score
Just how many documents did your hero G. W. BUSH refuse to make public during his eight year reign as G. W. the TERRIBLE.

July 23, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

WOW. Did everyone watch the prime time press conference last night? President Obama was MAGNIFICENT!

For everyone who says he doesn't have a plan for health care and don't understand how it works I think he cleared up any questions! We cannot avoid it just because we are scared!

Also, anyone who says the the press takes it easy on him obviously wasn't watching last night. They were brutal. But he handled every question in his usual fashion and has the ability to put it in terms every American can understand.

I'm still here.

July 23, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

In the name of national security? I'm sure plenty. In the name of self preservation? The media took great care that didn't happen, they even made a few documents up.

July 23, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

Obama = Hypocrite

I'm also beginning to think I gave him too much credit on the intelligence front.

July 23, 2009 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

bzqtboy,

Did you get the tv screen cleaned up after the press conf?

July 23, 2009 at 8:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Bizquikboy
Frogger.
Awesome! ?
or
Totally Awesome to the max, dude! ?

July 23, 2009 at 8:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/l...

July 23, 2009 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

under_score
The officers are trying to be victims by saying that that gentlemen called them racists. People don't really play the race card, it was something the far right made up to make themselves look like victims so ......................... well I have no idea why someone would do that ............... but................. hey look over there Sarah Palin is wearing red high heals!

July 23, 2009 at 9:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Are those fishnet stockings?
There is really something slu-y about those, unless (of Course) you are cartching fish with them.

July 23, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

cartching is a new word for catching

July 23, 2009 at 9:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Yeah, I think I heard Bush say it a few times last year.

July 23, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

200 posts

July 23, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

make a purdy long darn fence, I reckon.

July 23, 2009 at 11:45 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

No under_score...I wouldn't confuse you with any friend.....liberal.....conservative.....living or dead. :-)

July 23, 2009 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

Stop!

July 23, 2009 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

YY4U, not my problem he talks over your head. Go back to university and educate yourself. Then listen to him, it will make a lot more sense.

We should be so lucky if Obama was born in another country. That he is so worldly is probably the reason he is so good at foreign affairs. I don't know if any of you Bush and Cheney lovers have noticed this but everyone in the world LOVES us right now. Just look at the polls. Also, he's finally putting pressure on the Jews to stop the genocide in the Palestinian territory. By the time his first term is over we will probably have peace in the middle east.

We will also have free government health care for every person, not just rich people will get good care.

I think it is obvious now that we did to little to stimulate the economy. We needed about 3 times as much in the stimulus package, most of which should have been used to hire a massive amount of goverment workers to complete shovel ready projects. We did too little and now is the time to correct it.

Obama is certainly a genius but until we can get the rest of these do nothing republicans replaced we're not going to be able to accomplish everything that we want to!

And I just heard yesterday that Hillary is considering running in 2016!!! Can you imagine the shape our country will be in if we have Obama from 2008 to 2016 and the Hillary from 2016 to 2024??? I can't wait!

Hey biscuitboy, how's it going? Sorry I haven't been on here for a while to support. I'm back now though! Go Democrats!

July 24, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

bisquikboy......

Now I am absolutely certain.....everytime you start one of your diatribes you manage to name me. I am impressd at how much I must have really gotten to you to for you to invest this kind of effort into discrediting me. But the cat is now out of the bag.....so you just continue to prove how much you are unable to compete on a level playing field by continuing your littlew charade.

I find it very satisfying to know that I got to you this much. I have also star
ted to compile a list of user names that have been strangely silient since your apperence.....I have one or two very good prospects in mind now.

You might have gotten away with it a little longer but you became too apparent too fast.....thus revealing the ruse to everybody who has enough brain fro it to make any difference what they might think. Any way you know what they say.....imatation is the sincerest form of flattery....so again I thank you for the compliment.

July 24, 2009 at 8:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

I'm sorry that you feel that way but I am my own person. I just feel like we have a lot in common and I relate to you and a lot of what you say.

I'll stop referencing you if it makes you feel better. It's a shame that we have to be so paranoid these days but I understand where you're coming from.

July 24, 2009 at 9:14 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

I think bizquikboy is one of our friends from California.
You guys are funny!

Peace
Seriously R. Folks

July 24, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bizquikboy (anonymous) says...

I'm not from California but I love it there. The people are a lot more concious of taking care of each other and the world than people here.

July 24, 2009 at 11:16 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Yep, I was right.

July 24, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

bisquickboy......if he is indeed genuine....which I doubt....makes the mistake of assumming that because we agree on some subjects I am some how like him. Many others on here make the same mistake by assumming because we disagree on some matters I am not like them. Reality...at least in my opinion......is that bisquikboy [if he is genuine] is more like under-score than me. Both are agenda driven ideologues......spewing party line regardless of anything else......and totally ignoring anything that doesn't fit into their preconcieved ideas.

Many people on here claim to be independents. Most...and there are a few exceptions.....are only refering to their independence from one of the two mainstream political parties.
These independents however are, again for the most part, joined at the hip with another political affiliation.....usually right of the republican party.

There are very few real independent thinkers on here that cross ideology lines and takes stands based on an individual issue regardless of party platform. I believe I am one of them.....and appear more liberal than I really am only in comprarison to so many on here that are to the right of Attilla the Hun.

So bisquikboy...if you are real....that's fine. But we share little in common other than our agreement on some topics of interest at the moment. I don't mean this as an affront to you. I just don't like being saddled with somebody else's ideology.

July 24, 2009 at 4:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

dat mus B y I cant rite s0 good n stuf,

July 24, 2009 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

0 no I spelt kant rong,

July 24, 2009 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

seriouslyfolks......I hope you are just being funny...which you usually are. If I write better than you....and that is If.....it is because I have had formal training in writing. It in no way makes me better or smarter than you. In fact I like you.....and look forward to your witty comments.

What I never had was training in typing....I'm terrible at that.

July 25, 2009 at 6:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

seriouslyfolks (anonymous) says...

Yeah, I'm just kiddin' around.

July 25, 2009 at 8:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Dang, been gone for a few days and I had hoped by the time I got back there would be more information on the C Street story than on bizquik's identity. Darn.

July 28, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

biscuitboy (anonymous) says...

Sorry to disappoint you open_eyes....looks like this thread has kinda played out.
wonder where bisquikboy went though....not that I really care.

July 28, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Steve_Corbin (anonymous) says...

It is now 10:42 ee-bump

August 26, 2009 at 10:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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