The Emporia Gazette

glarson (anonymous) says...

Dear Readers,

Because the comments to the original refugee story have become so cumbersome, we've set up this separate forum for your use.

Gwen Larson
Managing Editor
larson@emporiagazette.com

November 16, 2007 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

minorityinemporia (anonymous) says...

Posted by minorityinemporia (anonymous) on November 16, 2007 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I want to give you a BIG AMEN ! I am so proud of you CREATE , I have read some of your early post and I would never call you a Racist or Bigot , I would call you a concern citizen of Emporia . I am African American and I can tell in your voice that God has truly spoken to you !!!!!!!!

Posted by minorityinemporia (anonymous) on November 16, 2007 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are right ! Big Corporation do not care what color , race religion , they only care about , how much money they can make. I learned that from one of the biggest scandals ever .
ENRON, I saw this guy on tv about early or late 60' years of age and he was crying saying that he was about retire and he had over 1.2 Million dollars in Stock and then Wall Street had kicked Enron off the stock market once it went under $1.00 his stock was worth $.00 , He was crying and saying They destroyed my life , how will I be able to start over at my age. Sad but true

Posted by minorityinemporia (anonymous) on November 16, 2007 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Until we get a Government that will make them responsible for their actions it will only get worse for us before it get any better. Stay focus and I will Pray for you to continue your fight. Please do not give up , too many of us don't try hard enough. I can remeber the last election and I think the turnout was only like 26 % voter turnout. If you don't Vote please do not complain.

Posted by glarson (Gwen Larson) on November 16,

November 16, 2007 at 3:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

If big corporations only think of $$$$$ what do big governments and big non profits think of?

November 16, 2007 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

minorityinemporia (anonymous) says...

You got me !
Most Big Governments want more Power ! To control everything about our lives.
Big non Profits Should be to help out those who are less fortunate , but it's about the $$$$$
I remember when 60 minutes did that undercover segment on the girls scout where this one young lady was not allowed in do to she did not sell enough cookies to buy her then required uniform , so they went to the headquarters to ask question and they stopped and asked one of the office asssitance what was her salary and when she said $67,000 and this was about 12-15 years ago. and they had a scandal at the United Way when the Pres was using the foundation money to buy his wife those fur coats and private jet rides , I just give 10% to my church . But you are right !

November 16, 2007 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

minorityinemporia i really enjoy reading your comments ive learned alot from reading on here and yours are one of the best to read.

November 16, 2007 at 4:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

K, I'm not going to belabor the point about the rancher quote. There are many levels of trust and information flow in a town like this one. You take it anyway you want, but I told you the truth, and I'm willing to bet that with enough trust, and perhaps more than a little booze, others would say the same thing, though I am sure you understand why none would say it publicly. There's a lot of subsurface tensions that reverberate for years here.

What is true for one economically, is true for most. If you ran a business here, you would know that in a town of 28,000, finding people to do menial jobs for rock-bottom pay is not always easy.

---Infinicat

November 16, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I will also stand by my reply about the farmers and ranchers, I know very many of them very well, and many people that work for farmers and ranchers. I already have trust with many of them and, especially among the ones that rarely or never drink, booze won't make a difference.
I realize you think that farming and ranching are "menial jobs for rock-bottom pay", but many rural jobs involve operating very large, expensive machinery, and many people would take an outdoors job, even if it was a tough one, and paid less, over standing in a factory line cutting meat as it passed on the conveyor any time. Me included.
At least none of the farmers/ranchers I know have a no-rehire policy, nor do they discriminate against local help.

November 16, 2007 at 5:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Growing up around there many of the people I knew and were associated with sold feed, seed, fertilizer, livestock, equipment - in the rural community you can build up quite a network among farmers and ranchers. I can go to pretty much any farm sale and recognize a big chunk of the people there, or at least know of them, and who works for them. So that's where my knowledge comes from, and hence my statement. You said you heard this from one rancher, and from your statement about the jobs and pay, I would venture that is pretty much the extent of your knowledge. Again, I'm not calling you a liar. But I don't think your rancher friend is very representative of farmers/ranchers in Lyon County as a whole. Just as our elected representatives these days don't seem to be very representative of their constituency as a whole. I'm sure you can find someone, somewhere who will claim anything, and maybe for that particular person, it may have some truth, but in this case, I know better. But, each person if free to believe what they want.

November 16, 2007 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

There's a bit of confusion here because there are comments referring to a post I made that was on the thread that was frozen. So with your indulgence, I will repost. I hope you all get a chance to rent and watch this film. It is well worth it, especially since it is based on a true story.

I have just finished watching the movie, "Amazing Grace" just out on DVD.

This is the true story of William Wilberforce and his quest to end British slave trade. As I watched this film, I began to put it all in terms of what is going on here in Emporia and other cities all over this country. This isn't the fault of the Somali people, not hardly. This is the fault of Big Business like Tyson. The Somali people have been victimized by Tyson and other companies like it, just as their African ancestors were victimized by the Big Business Planters of the 18th century. And this is no different than the same kind of slavery going on today, only it's legal because the Somali people fit into the category of refugees. In addition, Big Business is victimizing cities like Emporia too as they make their deals with labor contractors like Catholic Charities who are complicit in this entire sham and should also be held accountable as they milk the federal and state funds belonging to the tax payers themselves. The Office of Refugee Resettlement is also complicit in the legal slave trade. The more I research, the more I realize what is really going on beneath our very noses. So many have been willing to look and study and become informed; however, so many have allowed their bigotry to guide their reactions; so many have looked away, shielding their eyes as well as their faces; and so many have chosen to simply accuse others of racism -- they too are complicit. You know what? I'm sick of all this. Not enough to stop, but just plain sick.

November 16, 2007 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Everyone that has posted a comment here is basically correct in thinking that money is the driving force behind all the ills in all of the United States, including the small town of Emporia, Kansas, for instance a new city manager is hired and paid the sum of $100,000 dollers per year which is more than the former city manager (who missmanaged city funds to the tune of $700,000 or more) and the first thing the new manager does is convince the city commissionars to raise taxes. Then the City hires someone for $60,000 dollars to come in and try to tell the people of Emporia how to think positively about the CITY OF EMPORIA, but how are they going to convince the people of Emporia to think positive about the CITY when the streets are in dire need of repair, etc.
They try to convince the people of Emporia that in order to attract new industries, businesses, etc. to Emporia the people of Emporia have to think positive about Emporia, but I say that unless a prospective business or industry is going to look at Emporia for a possible location the first thing they are going to notice is how badly the streets need repair, unless of course they only see the northwest part of town, which I have no doubt that that is the only part of town they would be shown.
If we as taxpaying citizens of this country want to see change in the way things are done we as the life blood of this country are going to have to take the decision making of government out of the hands of the greedy, rich wealthy individuals and corporations.

November 16, 2007 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

open eyes said:

"I realize you think that farming and ranching are "menial jobs for rock-bottom pay""

I think no such thing. The rock-bottom wages are for immigrants, legal or otherwise, and I think everyone here knows it. Operating heavy machinery usually pays better, as we all know.

But only (3%) of the Emporia workers work operating machinery.

Here's the breakdown of labor in Emporia:

* Food (21%)
* Educational services (9%)
* Accommodation and food services (8%)
* Construction (8%)
* Public administration (4%)
* Machinery (3%)
* Transportation equipment (3%)

Wake up, 'open eyes'. Emporia is hardly a place for high wages.

Just look at the census figures:

Estimated median annual household income in Emporia, KS in 2005: $31,400

In 2005, the median annual household income according to the US Census Bureau was determined to be $48,201.

Why is it $17,000 LESS than the national?

That's a lot, my friend. We're talking over 1/3 lower. With all the high-paying farm jobs you mention, why isn't it higher?

This is a small, not-so-rich town, with a huge percentage of its citizens just getting by on far less than the national average.

While everyone here protests subsidizing the Somalis, I notice hardly anyone blinks at subsidizing Tyson, who gets $1/3 billion/yr just for chicken feed (!!!).

--- Infinicat

November 16, 2007 at 5:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I never said farm jobs were high-paying. Since your post was about your ranching quote, I presumed that the statement "menial jobs for rock-bottom pay" was referring to that. If that was not your intent, I apologize - but your post was not very clear about that, perhaps you could have phrased it a little more clearly. We're all guilty of that at times.

But taking it as I did, the point of my post was that operating expensive machinery is not always not exactly menial, as compared to line-jobs at Tyson, for instance. (Not all jobs at Tyson, but many). I also pointed out that alot of people would prefer the outdoors jobs EVEN IF IT PAID LESS. So where do you get from anywhere in that I said high-paying farm jobs? The LAST thing I would ever do is call farm jobs high-paying!!! LOL

Your breakdown is of labor in Emporia. I thought we were talking about farmers and ranchers? What's somebody in Emporia running a lathe, forklift, or large machinery in the city got to do with what we are talking about in the country, running large farm machinery?

I'm quite awake.

November 16, 2007 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

I think, in spite of some miscommunication, we agree.

--- Infinicat

November 16, 2007 at 5:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wtrdog (anonymous) says...

stickerbush, Create is right, We have beat this horse to death of the answers you seek. I am not defensive in nature, However I felt attacked. My apologies.

minorityinemporia, I really enjoyed reading your comments. They were very uplifting.

methusla, You are correct in your post. However it doesn't just stop there. That is why I such a critic of the commission & their actions. I am also a critic of the former city manager. There are many parts of this town that are neglected, And those that people see are eye soars enough, However, If you could see what the underground infrastructure was like in comparison you'd cringe. Most perspective businesses are going to pass on Emporia simply because there is a meat processing plant located here. Every town that has one has a similar history. The only reason a business would consider locating here is to take advantage of the already low wages & out of work immigrants.

infinicat,
I really admire that you have your facts straight. While I cannot disclose my employer, I can tell you I am in construction of sorts & operate many different types of machinery. My pay for doing my job is very low compared to the same job in other areas, Even just 50 miles away. However I stay here because of my family & elderly parents who are in bad health. If it were not for that, I would have taken my experience elsewhere by now.

November 16, 2007 at 5:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wtrdog (anonymous) says...

I should also point out that I worked at IBP in the late 90s. And although I make less in my current position, I am one of those that open eyes refers to. I would much rather work outside, Even in the winter, Than stand on a factory line.

November 16, 2007 at 6:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Infinicat - I think you're right! Gotta quit chasing my tail around in circles so much... lol

wtrdog, I work inside now, (not on a factory line) - but I sure do miss being outside. One reason I still stay connected to the farm in part.

I also think what you said about your pay being low compared to the same job in other areas, ties in with what people have been saying/speculating/finding in studies. I think that by the largest employer in town (Tyson) keeping wages low, it has an affect on the rest of the local economy. No competition to lose workers to Tyson. If Tyson paid better (well, that's moot point, since they won't hire locals ANYWAY) - other employers might need to stay in line pay-wise to keep people there. Yes, that would raise the price of things and services, like has been discussed - but the studies have shown that labor is a minor part of the process, and isn't going to affect the price of meat that much. Other industries, however, who knows? Depends, each one could be different. But I don't see Tyson doing that so this entire paragraph is probably an exercise in futility....:)

November 16, 2007 at 8:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

somali (anonymous) says...

To Open-Eyes
Hi Ms/Mr Open Eyes

I just want say all Emporia people Sorry I didn’t aware that the real worries you facing in you’re City about many Somali Refugee coming everyday 365 days of the year, it is going to be big problem when they bring more refugee than you can host, I just did same research about US Homeless people, and I find out that more than 6.5 Million are living below the poverty line.
There is many Homeless camps in United States, in your city you are not queue yet in front of Homeless Centre or Church in order to get food and shelter, if you didn’t aware yet make your own research and find out how many Americans are look like Somali (IDP)Internal Displaced People in Somalia we have about 1.5 million(IDP) ask Oklahoma City's people. For Somalis, I think they have no choice but to go where US Government send them.
Finally my friend Open Eyes the real problem is not Somali Refugee in the United States or what you said about Somali Islamic groups, but you’re real problem is you’re policy makers, if you have few minutes to think click following link and tell me what you think. http://www.outfoxed.org

November 17, 2007 at 4:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shamalama (anonymous) says...

If Emporia wants Somalians, then they can have em. I'll move!!!

November 17, 2007 at 7:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

MinorityinEmporia, I remember what you said about this and apparently someone else saw it too. Our voices are being heard, folks. Keep it cool.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 17, 2007 at 7:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

shamalama, you are the perfect example of those who come to this website without having read one word of what has gone before. You have a preconceived notion of the issues and nothing will ever change that. I feel sorry for you. But, we need you. Yes, we need you so we can demonstrate the stupidity of racism. As I have said over and over again, the issue here has nothing to do with racism, but people like you keep taking it there, even after some of us have put the explanation of what is going on neatly in a nutshell. You didn't even stop your racist muttering long enough to read that. You say you want to move? Oh, I hope so.

November 17, 2007 at 8:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Just a bit of information for thought, Africa has the highest incidence of AIDS and HIV in the world and that means the entire continent of Africa including Somalia.
Now does anyone remember that a few months back when the citizens of Emporia abruptly found our that some of the Somalians that TYSON imported into Emporia have TUBERCULOSIS, lets face the fact that by not controlling how many, who, when, where, how, why and what potential diseases all immigrants have or carry with them this country is going to experience health and disease problems that haven't been seen in this country in decades and you may be assured that the large corporations such as TYSON, the City, COUNTY, STATE and FEDERAL government legislators who recieve favors from the rich, wealthy individuals and corporations either are not going to care or just pass the responsiblity of any problems caused by immigrants on to someone else and won't care about the added burden that runaway immigration will cause on rightful citizens of the country.

November 17, 2007 at 8:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

create that was not fair.how do you know whether or not shamalama has been reading this or not? some people dont have the ability to write things in long descriptive ways, i did not see any reference to race in that one. ill put in a different way, longer than one sentence. i grew up here, the downtown area is where my siblings and i rode our bikes, shopped (we loved Daytons) we played in the parks and in general we have alot of good memories here, but it seems emporia has changed in too many negative ways, they schools are not able too keep up, the crime rate is going up, i cant believe we had a drive by shooting, a mugging, the torture and murder of an elderly person, people keep moving here and there are not the jobs to support everyone, now the social service agencies want a little more money, and are going to import more people, where are the jobs all these people will need? where are the jobs there dependants will be looking for? im sick and tired of the vandelism, im sick of seeing the east side of town turining in to the ghetto of emporia and who ever thought there would be a day that emporia would have a ghetto??? i never would have foresaw that in emporias future. this is the city who thinks they cant enforce a landlord/tenet code. this is the city where tons of cheritable people give to the needy every day, every holiday. there is so much charity here it overwhelming, and sometimes there is a need for more, there just isnt enough charity to help everyone. this is a giving town and still i always seem to have a neighbor or aquantice who cannot provide themselves with the basics food housing,clothes,school supplies,transprotation, medical care, there are so many folks without here and emporias disgusting social services and tyson are going to advance themselves and the expense of others and create more poverty here?? i am leaving, when my kid is done with school in the near future, we are leaving, then i will be one who checks in on the emporia gazette online, thinking " those people are such fools, emporia is sure going downhill, too bad" remember not everyone has the gift of gab or the gift of writing and can put things into more than a one sentence. emporia needs to wake up !!

November 17, 2007 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

somali, I'll agree with the first part of your post. We have many homeless and people here already living below the poverty line, it seems we would rather add to that number just so our corporations can get richer before we take care of the problem. And unfortunately many of your people are being used as pawns.
As for the second, I'll agree America has many policy problems. But your link brought a good laugh to me. I'm used to hearing Fox News attacked by the left. I've said many times media is slanted. Most to the left, Fox I will admit slightly right of center. But I will say one thing - at least the majority of discussions on Fox bring in 2 opposing viewpoints and let them hash it out. Hannity and Colmes for instance, nearly every discussion on Bill O'Reilly has someone from both the left and right side of the argument. Do any other major media outlets do that? I remember a few years complaints that reporters were wandering thru Iraq polling/interviewing Iraqi's, and they would ignore or brush aside people that were pro-American. They would only talk to and poll people that were against the US toppling Sadaam. Does that sound honest to you? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't Fox News....

All the major media outlets constantly point fingers at each other and making accusations of bias. Nothing new. Welcome to America. Probably alot of this 1st Amendment/freedom of the press stuff is new to you. You will learn over time that there is alot of trash floating out there, from BOTH sides. The thing for you to do, somali, is to always try to hear both sides and verify if you can what is being thrown back and forth, and make the best decision you can from what you have found - based on your own experience and understanding. Just like many of the claims people have made on these boards. But we're getting off topic. Just don't believe everything you read, hear, or see. Lots of Americans practice their own little perverted form of "taqiyya" also....

Here's a few more links to some "hard" news. Tell me what you think of these?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi...

or this one is more political:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celeb...

November 17, 2007 at 9:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

open eyes, what does one particular news outlet have to do with any of this? It sounds like you're recruiting viewers for your personal favorite. Let's not derail the topic, please.

--- Infinicat

November 17, 2007 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

open eyes, I have to agree with infinicat comment, but I would also like to add, that if you think that any news organization in this country is not politically biased one way or the other you are sadly mistaken!

November 17, 2007 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

wow, people don't read very well.

"what does one particular news outlet have to do with any of this?"

If you clicked on somalis link, you would have discovered that it was a propaganda attack aimed specifically at Fox News. He asked me what my thoughts on that link were. I replied.

I'm not recruiting anyone for my personal favorite.

"All the major media outlets constantly point fingers at each other and making accusations of bias. Nothing new"

That INCLUDES Fox News pointing fingers.

"there is alot of trash floating out there, from BOTH sides"

That INCLUDES Fox News.

"I've said many times media is slanted. Most to the left, Fox I will admit slightly right of center."

Where in the world would anyone get from those statements that I think "any news organization in this country is not politically biased one way or the other "??????

I gotta learn to be more like a politician, and when someone asks me a direct question, deflect it and double-talk my way around and out of it.

Apparently I offended some Fox News haters, well, I can't help that.

Please people, read before you attack. I even said I had said enough as it was getting off topic. But if someone directly addresses me on this topic and asks me a question, please allow me to respond.

November 17, 2007 at 10:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hottopics (anonymous) says...

WHERE IS TYSON? They are COWARDS and dont give a crap about the city or the residence here.

Do you think if we ask the City to pay for us to relocate they would be as open to us as they are the Somali's???

November 17, 2007 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

I've been reading the Forum this morning, while I plan my menu, and make my shopping list for Thanksgiving...and, its just my opinion, but I feel that maybe some of the postings on this forum are becoming a little repetitive, or getting off track...

On November 28th, there is a meeting. We are all invited to attend...at 7:00PM at Little Theatre...White Auditorium.

I hope you are all planning to attend. Bring your questions,please, but be aware, that we will not all be able to speak...and, maybe only one question each. So, we need to make sure we make each of them count.

Of course, I'm not suggesting we should stop posting our opinions.....but, I'm beginning to get concerned that between now, and the 28th, something will be said on here, and we will lose the right to keep this Forum. I see that there's already been deletes.

Slipandslide...I agree with what you said....Maybe, we should keep our remarks a little shorter as well...(hmmm, I'll start....

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!)....

P.S. I'm Thankful for having the Freedom to stand up for what I believe ...and, for my first Thanksgiving in Emporia with family....and, for the new friends I've met here.... Even, if only by Screen names. :-)

November 17, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Same back to ya,renegade!

November 17, 2007 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

Low pay? Get educated and take the better job. Do not whine, whine, whine!!

November 17, 2007 at 12:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Ditto, renegade and bluelite!!!!! :)

Lord knows I've hard a hard enough time getting somali to answer some direct questions, and there are still some I haven't heard from him on, and doubt I ever will. I thought it was only fair to reply to him when he asked me a direct question. Off topic or not, but I did say myself it was getting off topic.

And I did read the post(s) here that got removed before they disappeared. Please people, heed what Renegade said.......

November 17, 2007 at 12:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I did not know about the upcoming public meeting on Nov. 28 at the little theater at 7:00 P. M., I guess I missed the notice of the meeting in the Gazette. I do remember seeing a notice about a public meeting at the Emporia Country Club on Nov. 29th, which as I understand Rep. Jerry Moran is planning to attend, but I do not remember the time of that meeting. If someone can inform me of the time of the Country Club meeting I will make every effort to attend that meeting and the one on Nov. 28, please email the time info to (giblelachter@yahoo.com).

November 17, 2007 at 1:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

After spending a great deal of time catching up with this forum I am going to “jump” in here and give my comments. It may seem as if I am going off track here but not really as there are people who still don’t understand that the refugee event taking place is just another event following too many that the American people have had to deal with.

For those of you who were not living here at least 18+ years ago or those of you who have forgotten….male and female young people from Emporia and many surrounding communities worked at IBP and many were enrolled at ESU and were afforded flexible work hours in certain jobs to attend their classes. Some worked afternoons and nights on full shifts and went to college during the day. It was hard but it afforded them the education to go on to wonderful careers. I have a bad memory of approximately 18 years ago of a young person attempting to pay for an ESU education by working in a position at IBP which required painting & maintenance cleaning. Worked mornings, then classes and returned for evening work.

This is not a pleasant story but true. The job eventually had to end, not due to the reduction in pay, hiring of illegal workers, layoffs nor the inability to converse due to language barriers but because fecal matter was being thrown on the employee and smeared on the bathroom walls on a regular basis even as cleanup was in process. This never occurred with one individual alone but usually in groups of three or four with meat knives on their bodies. Intimidation at it's worst. They wanted the jobs and they got them. A win for them and a real financial win for IBP. Events like this and much worse went unreported most of the time as if it became known a complaint had been filed (and more than not…it did) it only produced more financial burden with slashed car tires in the parking lot and threats. This was a trivial matter compared to other stories I have heard about. Whenever I hear the statement that “illegals or refugees are in this country because they are willing to do the work the Americans will not do” I am so angered.

November 17, 2007 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

methusla....I have your address on the contact list...and I will send you a reminder of the meetings.

If anyone else needs a reminder, and is not on the contact list, please send me an e-mail, and I will notify you.

im.renegade@yahoo.com

thanks blulite and open_eyes for your post.

November 17, 2007 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

slipandslide, if shamalama's statement is not racist, then I will apologize. This just sounds like it to me. "If Emporia wants Somalians, then they can have em. I'll move!!!" If that isn't racist, then shamalama, I apologize. Maybe shamalama will post again to clarify his or her position.

November 17, 2007 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mythoughts (anonymous) says...

I copied this from "funston" a while back - sorry to interrupt the current strain of thought...

"Am I the one that's crazy here or is it Emporia? I came back to be safe so don't screw up Emporia! My guess is that you won't hire me because I'm white with way to much education. Emporia can't stand someone who knows more than they do and has actually lived outside of Lyon County for a long time.. Advanced knowledge means nothing to a bunch of uptight, short sited, narrow minded, condescending, neurotic, hypocritical, tight lipped hicks. Especially the guy who runs this newspaper."

Well, I disagree that Chris Walker does not have valid stake in this community. His wife--I'm not so sure, she's a little on the neurotic right-wing-fringe. I really want to THANK the Gazette for dragging most of this into the open. I would like to see whole lot more "Sunshine" shined onto this process.

Why should a community that is poor, downtrodden and doing its best to pull itself up by the bootstraps be saddled with huge, violent, uneducated, non-Western culture populations that practice HEINOUS crimes based on sexuality and religion? My GOD! Emporia still hasn't made its peace with the Mexican immigrants of the early 20th century!

I'm pretty sure that I have no choice but to make my life in Emporia, attached to ESU. THEREFORE, I am declaring open war on anything that prevents Emporia from becoming the kind of place I want to live in.

I'm sick of the local "4th generation don't-wannabees" and the "I've been here 2 years wannabees". I want a professional, stable, forward-thinking town that is well grounded, has decent shopping without looking like another Jo-Co strip mall, and decent places to eat...kind of like Lawrence! How is a massive influx of Eastern African refugees going to support that? Why do we have to risk diseases and horrific traffic accidents (and higher taxes and insurance rates) for these people?

Wake up EMPORIA, Destiny is knocking! Control your future!!!! If there's a march, I'll bring my placard..

November 17, 2007 at 6:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Here's some more food for thought-as if the rising taxes,insurance,and bankrupting all the community services wasn't enough.
http://www.timesfreepress.com/absolut...

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/referen...

http://www.vdare.com/misc/tyson_compl...
Plaintiffs, v. TYSON FOODS, INC. a Corporation

November 17, 2007 at 6:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

create you dont need to apologize, i could have just said it simpler, im from america so i m called american, someone from mexico is called mexican, someone from somalia is called somalian, i have seen more than a few folks post on here wanting to move from here not wanting to support an influx of people, maybe they put it more eloquently than salamalama anyway you put it is the same thing calling a group of people somalians is not racist

November 17, 2007 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cheerup (anonymous) says...

mark_in_virginia-- It is funny that as much money that you are making there that you can't afford to take your family to saftey. All you talk about is what you here-no facts. I just talked to a friend that is a detective and he stated that all that you have listed are rumors-no truth to it. May you need to get the facts before you run down someone that you don't know.

November 17, 2007 at 8:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

mark_in_virginia (anonymous) says...

Everything is a rumor huh? So you are telling me that somalians are polite and courtious people. And by the way my family is safe but that dosent mean we dont have to deal with them.

November 17, 2007 at 9:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Kstrebuchet- RIGHT! The Gazette got put on the "inter-map".Maybe on the hot-seat with the political machine! At least our posts may still turn up in a search engine.They come up now on the first page of results.Too much Tyson money is going to both sides of the isle for comfort.Check out the NY Times archive I posted above.You can find all kinds of dirt.This company "smells" like money-if you're inside the DC beltway.Why would they care about a bunch of dumb hicks,refugees,and illegals?

November 17, 2007 at 9:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

blulitespecial, thanks for the links you offered. Good reads, and I especially appreciated the Vdare pub on the Tyson illegal hiring scheme lawsuit in Tennesee. That's going to be interesting to follow. I have said before that hiring refugees is allowing Tyson to escape the legal problems involved with their earlier practice of hiring illegal immigrants and depressing wages. Notice the word used in the complaint -- that hourly wage earners were VICTIMIZED by that practice. Good stuff blulite. The deeper we look into all this, the more we see, the bigger the can of worms. But that's why we're here talking about it now, isn't it? Lotta worms.

November 17, 2007 at 10:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

bluelite if you like searching the internet, have you found the iboogie search engine yet, it seems to bring up more than yahoo and google.

November 17, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

iboogie..I'll check it out! I tend to surf and wield a soldering iron a lot-too much time on my hands! Seems Ohio(Sebelius's home state) has a similar problem to ours- And it looks like the Ohio Guv got told to shutup! This is from May07

begin article-
-COLUMBUS (AP) - Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius tried walking the fine line last week between criticizing the president over the war in Iraq and appropriately representing her state's interests.

As Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland learned earlier this year, the precarious journey sometimes requires backpedaling.

Democrats like Strickland and Sebelius have been vocal when they perceive a vulnerability related to the war, seeking to bolster their party's message in Washington.

Yet observers say they are rightly cautious in how far they take their public attacks - because the Republican White House has partial control over their budgets and because finding fault elsewhere may appear to reflect on their own leadership at the state level.

Strickland got his first taste of the balance that must be struck in February, when he attempted to criticize President Bush's handling of the war by lashing out over a proposal to bring 7,000 Iraq refugees to the United States. He first said in an interview with The Associated Press that he wanted no part of cleaning up Bush's mess and that he wasn't interested in Ohio absorbing more of the war burden than it already had.

Facing sharp criticism, Strickland quickly reversed himself, saying that Ohio would certainly welcome displaced Iraqis.

For Sebelius, the daughter of former Ohio Gov. John Gilligan, the issue was her state's preparedness to deal with the damage from a tornado that razed the town of Greensburg. end article-

November 17, 2007 at 10:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

you are finding alot of good readings

November 17, 2007 at 10:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

haha- I try- been following all this for 20 years.

November 17, 2007 at 10:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

good work, it must keep you busy!

November 17, 2007 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

im going to sleep for the night , good night bluelite

November 17, 2007 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jasonandashley (anonymous) says...

Cheerup....you done started a war!! I'm sorry but i happen to know mark_in_virginia AND HIS FAMILY!!!!! Yeah they started out in emporia and as soon as the "refugees" moved in, he moved them the heck out of town. However, his fiance still held a job in town. it was awful going to work sometimes because the somali men would come into the store and make crude and derogatory comments towards her as well as other employees. I will not say where she worked b/c i don't want to involve the company and possibly spoil business. I have to give his fiance credit for continuing to go to work at this certain place of employment....she never knew what she was going to be faced with or whether or not they would have to be calling the police because of a somali man trying to get out the door WITHOUT PAYING! Fortunately, things worked out for her and she no longer had to work there. But like mark said we ALL still have to deal with them on a day to day basis IF WE CONTINUE TO SHOP good' ol emporia!

Second of all, he didn't directly say that he was going to run someone over, or rather that if they ran a stop sign in front of him or walked out in the street in front of him, it wasn't going to be his fault if he didn't get stopped in time....but wait?!?! It probably would turn out to be his fault that they didn't look before they crossed the street and one of them got ran into, because after all they are refugee's and we must accomodate to their needs....well i'm sorry but WE should not have to accomodate to their stupidity. And I can atest to this.....Friday, November 9th, 2007 at approximately 3:00 PM i was driving down 12th ave near the old DQ. and a somali man just walked right out into the street in front of me and i was less than 75 ft away!!! AND HE NEVER LOOKED BEFORE HE CROSSED!!! NEVER!
and a final note...obviously you've never had to interact with these people on a regular basis because the stuff we know is not RUMORS!! Because we've had to experience it and deal with it!! And frankly WE'RE TIRED!!
And the only reason that mark is in virginia...if you must know...is so that he can save enough money to move his family even farther away from emporia!!!

November 17, 2007 at 10:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

From blulite's post, "Tyson attorneys contend there are problems with the data and are seeking to have Dr. Borjas' testimony excluded from the trial"

So, according to Tyson, those champions of truth and justice, apparently everything Dr. Borjas (an economist) says is just rumor, or at least has no factual basis........

Wonder how much of what our police claim is "only rumor" really is?

Have they been instructed to look the other way?

Seems some storeowners in this town look the other way when shoplifing occurs. Is that shoplifting by anyone, or just a certain group?

Just asking questions that pop into mind when reading these posts and links.....

November 17, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Oh, and by the way, my take on the new link to this page set up by Ms Larson, is that it WAS getting a little difficult to follow 3 or 4 different threads at once. I got to the point I started getting some posts and quotes mixed up, and/or attributed to the wrong person (well, more mixed up than usual :). I think she believes it is simpler to just have 1 thread now. That's fine with me, but I think the webmaster needs to modify things so that this shows up (correctly) on the most active discussions. Those other stories aren't the most active if nobody is posting on them, they are posting HERE. Don't make us continually have to go thru another thread to get to this one, please. Those threads are still there for anyone wishing to search back thru them (type in some key words on the search field) - but BE ACCURATE, and if THIS thread is one of the most Active Discussions, then, please, Gazette, LIST IT THERE! Thanks!!!!!

November 17, 2007 at 11:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ANativeEmporian (anonymous) says...

I like the earlier postings about how they have to integrate immediately. Would this be the same as how long it took the Irish, Cornish, Manx, or other off-speakers? There was a few snide readers who chided the 17 year old to go back and learn some american history and economics and painfully few of the grown ups on this list have half a clue. They're reacting the same as the people already here did for the past 150 years or so. Who needs the history lessons? I think some Emporians could stand a few. Its still patently silly how exactly the same lines are used now as there was when any new ethnic or racial group showed up. It's an example of how people haven't learned a thing - only to continue to be afraid of anything new.

I still love the notion that Fox news is a "little" right of center. That's like saying Bush is a "little" short sighted.

Do you even have the slightest clue as to the annual numbers of new mexican immigrants coming in (illegals mostly) to the county and city? I'd ask if anyone here can cite an actual census number, especially on the seasonal farm migration patterns. Because those numbers pale by comparison to less than a thousand Somali's, but you don't see anyone burning a cross on their yard the way the lot are of you on the Somali's. (and before any of you start attesting how noone's talking about cross burning, how many times are inflammatory terms about them are used like criminal elements, savage cultural habits, or how they'll just mistreat our women and children, or damage our own children's education).

I'd always seen Emporia as a rather forward thinking place, not one to be frightened of something different or new. It's a sign of lack of security in your own identity, which isn't the Somali's problem.

November 17, 2007 at 11:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Perhaps Ms. Larson could, at the beginning of this thread, post links back to the threads which have been redirected here?

Native, I'm glad you love the notion that Fox is a "little" right of center. I think the majority of the media is not even NEARLY THAT close. I suppose now I could start making some snide remarks about how some Dems flipflop "a little", or how Dan Rather didn't check out his story first "a little", but, we all have our own opinions, and we're all entitled to them. For alot of people those "opinions" are set in stone, and no amount of facts and reality will ever change their mind. And this ISN'T the topic here anyway. I answered it earlier because it was a direct question addressed to me by somali.

My questions to you: Did IBP refuse to hire locals, just so they could hire Mexicans only? Did they come here as part of a refugee resettlement, all on the taxpayers dollar?.
Yes, I will start attesting that nobody is burning a cross. When I see that story on the front page of the Gazette (and I'm absolutely 100% certain it WILL be front-page news if/when it happens) - then I'll believe it.
In the meantime, people do have a right to complain when things are happening that should not be ignored. If somebody throws an elbow at YOUR wife in line at WalMart (and that DOES and DID happen) - I'm sure you'll just look the other way, because if you went up and complained about it, or confronted the person, you would just be being "inflammatory".

November 18, 2007 at 12:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

OH, I just remembered Native, you're the person that stated "the states with the highest immigration rates also have the highest per capita revenues in the country."

Oh, now I get it, now I know where you get your "news". That explains alot!!! LOL

November 18, 2007 at 12:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

This thread isn't about news channels, nor is it about one's general political views or leanings, except to the point that it affects THIS CURRENT TOPIC. Frankly, I don't care who likes what news, or who likes what politician, or political party. Myself, I'm a registered INDEPENDENT, I'll vote for whoever I d**m well please, regardless of party affiliation. If things we are talking about here are as a result of a certain politicians policies, then that merits talking about. But if you're going to do that, you need to include an awful lot of politicians and administrations, and go back quite aways in time, and pretty much include all in power along the way. Yes, both national and local policies affect what is happening (or trying to be forced to happen) here. Let's concentrate on them.
As I have said repeatedly in many other threads, we need to hear both sides of stories, and get the facts. What upsets me is people throwing out statements as fact that have little or no basis in reality. We are all here to INFORM each other, try best we can to separate the FACTS from the BALONEY, and work TOGETHER to find and do what is BEST for Emporia and its citizens.

November 18, 2007 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Here's a fact that you can think about. It has been reported in our newspaper that the Somali population is around 750, but has been as high as 1000. Guess what! They don't really like being in Emporia anymore than the people that are on here complaining about how sad our city is these days. You say there are no good places to shop, eat or go for entertainment, well, there's pretty much nowhere for them to go. Most of them make a the trip back to Minnesota or Ohio or Kansas City every weekend to visit their friends and family and be in an environment where they fit in. They have come here to work. Those that work at Tyson have health care, a requirement to be employed there unless you can prove you are covered under a policy elsewhere. They pay taxes, I've seen their checks! Most of them would like to fit in to our society if they are just given the chance. Yes, they are still going to practice their religious beliefs as you will still practice yours. They don't try to convert everyone to be Muslims and most won't even discuss religion outside of their community. If everyone on here truly wants to make Emporia a better place to live and raise a family, then I agree, we DO need to work together!

November 18, 2007 at 2:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

The Somalis that are here are not going away. The Christian thing to do, yes, even if they are Muslims, is to welcome them and integrate them into the community. Ostracizing them will only lead to future trouble and we will carry the burden of being unkind in our hearts for years.

After doing some reading furnished here on how other communities have managed to turn people away, I do not see it as a viable alternative to act up in a hostile manner in an attempt to be designated "unfriendly".

Is that who we want to be? Who we are? This so-called crisis is not exclusively about the Somalis. It is ultimately about us, and what we do now will define us for years to come.

--- Infinicat

November 18, 2007 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

"Barry Levine, a lawyer for Tyson, said yesterday that it would demonstrate in court that executives in Springdale had no knowledge of the recruiting of illegal immigrants."

hottopics, you asked where Tyson is. Right now they're in Tennessee in federal district court on trial. See above. The trial started last week. Read the articles posted by Blulitespecial, Nov 17, 6:32 p.m. You'll see how much trouble they're in, but denying it. Blaming company managers -- sent those managers right to the slaughterhouse.

Thanks again, Blulite, this shines a light on those accusations and rumors we've been hearing for years and years.

The answer to your second question, hottopics, is that Tyson cares about themselves. I know your questions were rhetorical, but they bear discussion anyway. I'm glad you brought them up.

ANative Emporian: No, no one knows how many "new mexican immigrants coming in (illegals mostly) to the county and city?" If they're here illegally, I assure you, they didn't check in to participate in a census. Is this your answer to the fact that you don't know how many refugees are in town? Those refugees didn't sneak in at the border, sweetie, they were brought here intentionally. I'd say there is a difference, wouldn't you? Also, I see you're still not reading the posts. Very few inflammatory remarks have been made in comparison to the "forward thinking" ones since the beginning. You, however, choose to pick out the few bad ones and make a case for "cross burning." Bad research, lady! Again, this isn't about the Somali people themselves, this is about our concern for Emporia becoming as bankrupt as Lewiston, Maine was. BUT, since you are so worried about the Somali people, and since you sound like you might even sit on the Human Relations Council, have you bothered to check with lawyers' offices in town to see how many cases of Workman's Comp claims are being filed for on the job injuries at Tyson's by Somali people? Huh? Wanna check? Go for it. You don't care about the Somali people; you only care about your own personal appearances of political correctness! If you did care, you'd be helping them file their claims. They are being exploited, just as the illegal immigrants were, and you're doing the political correctness dance which requires that you not look at your partner because you have to LOOK THE OTHER WAY!!!

November 18, 2007 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

ANativeEmporian: I for one was wondering from your comments just how Native you actually are! I was born in Emporia in 1942 and still live in Emporia and can also trace my fathers family history to Native American heritage specifically CHEROKEE, now I don't know wheather or not that makes me a Native or not, but I think it does and I for one do not support bringing in any more immigrants or refugees of any color, religion or creed. I for one don't know why we as taxpayers are allowing the present political machine be it local, county, state or federal to continue to fund and support HOME LAND SECURITY when it is fairly obvious by the number of legal and illegal immigrants and refugees coming into the country continues to increase unabated, its time for the AMERICAN people to wake up and start making all government agencies etc. from the top (PRESIDENT, CONGRESS) to the bottom ie, CITY MANAGERS, COMMISSIONERS etc., accountable and get rid of the CORRUPTION, GRAFT AND GREED that dictates the will of OUR elected officials, after all do they not work for US the people who elected them.

November 18, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Amen, methusla. From Marc Antony in the play, Julius Caesar: "...Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!"

For our Sunday morning reading pleasure:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teach...

http://vdare.com/allen/060719_bad_sam...

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back...

http://www.johnsonandbell.com/attorne...

November 18, 2007 at 10:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Especially liked your 3rd link, create. Sadly, the Somalians are just pawns in the big boys game of $$$$$ chess..... fat cats are making the $$$$, and GUESS who gets to pay it??????!!!!!!!

November 18, 2007 at 10:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

just_a_concerned_emporian (anonymous) says...

I haven't read all the comments posted so if I repeat other people I apologize.

I look at Emporia's problems as several. First of all it’s like most Kansas towns that are away from the outskirts of a major city. We struggle to just maintain population! Over the last 30 years we have seen little growth. At the same time we have seen a lot of good jobs leave the area. Wolf Creek construction during the 70’s was huge for Emporia. Sante Fe’s Eastern Division offices left. Lots of blue collar Sante Fe train workers were transferred to other locations. IBP workers took a pay cut. Merchants closed due to Wal-Mart’s growth in the retail market. Didde’s shut down. Modine now has shut down. Etc. etc.! A lot of good jobs have left and have been replaced by a lot of unskilled low pay jobs. (Speaking in general here.) I wonder now how many companies that look at Emporia to possibly relocate and think…Emporia may not have the skilled labor pool that we need to operate.

While Emporia needs to continue to recruit and give incentives for new and existing businesses, it needs to be selective and give the incentives to businesses that enhance our community, and not to the ones that put a strain on our community services. The businesses that now are recruiting unskilled labor, so they can get federal subsidies to help pay the wages of that labor, should not get any tax, utility, or any incentives from our local community. The Emporia labor pool, who helps pay for those incentives given to employers, are in competition with the employer’s wage-subsidized recruits.

November 18, 2007 at 10:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

just_a_concerned_emporian:

Kudoos to you for being absolutey right and insightfull into just a few of Emporia's growing financial woes. I don't want to be perceived as an alarmest but there is also a very real possiblility that Interstate Bakeries may close the DOLLY MADISON plant and from what I have been reading in the Gazette, Menu Pet Foods is having a real problem also, so GOD forbid if these two plants happen to close there goes more paying jobs from Emporia. Oh sure people will say, but there is a Bio-Diesel and pet food plant being built here in Emporia, that is true, but how many years down the road are these two industries going to be up to full capacity and full employment. I don't think either one is going to employ enough people to make up for the work force of either DOLLY or Menu if they should happen to close.

November 18, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Some good reading in there! Looks like Brownback thinks we need much more of a financial burden here in Kansas,not less.This guy has thrown us(yes,"us",and the"US") away.I don't think the state will EVER recover and have a chance at a decent tax rate.

November 18, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

thanks for the good readings everyone

November 18, 2007 at 11:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

OPENEYES: Yes, you are so right. "Sadly, the Somalians are just pawns in the big boys game of $$$$$ chess..... fat cats are making the $$$$, and GUESS who gets to pay it??????!!!!!!!"

Isn't it too bad that folks like NATIVE EMPORIAN refuse to read deeper and see that these refugees they seek to defend are really "just pawns," nay victims, of the fat cats. But they don't want to see that because it's easier to accuse others of racism than to read articles. Unless they too stand to profit. Oh no, say it ain't so.

JUST A CONCERNED...: Excellent post! I hope others are paying attention. I particularly agree with what you say here:
"The businesses that now are recruiting unskilled labor, so they can get federal subsidies to help pay the wages of that labor, should not get any tax, utility, or any incentives from our local community. The Emporia labor pool, who helps pay for those incentives given to employers, are in competition with the employer’s wage-subsidized recruits."

November 18, 2007 at 11:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

just_a_concerned_emporian - You hit it the nail right on the head.But I think we do have a good number of skilled people.Some I know are pretty close to the "rocket surgery" level!

November 18, 2007 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

just_a_concerned_emporian (anonymous) says...

blulitespecial- You are right! We do have a lot of skilled people here in Emporia. And a lot of good citizens!! I do think though that our percentage of unskilled workers is a little high overall. Am I saying that we have a high percentage of dummies? No! The problem I see is our young people that earned a skill or a degree are not staying, or are new skilled people coming. (in general.)

There's not an easy answer, but we need to do something to make Emporia more attractive, to recruit more skilled jobs and get the average household's buying power up. One thing...get the wages of existing jobs up...so locals want to work and stay here. Make it not so inviting for employers to recruit unskilled federal-subsidized wage earners.

November 18, 2007 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cheerup (anonymous) says...

jasonandashley--Why don't you move???? I'm not sure why you would want to live in such misery.

November 18, 2007 at 11:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

just_a_concerned_emporian - haha... no argument here! I agree with you on the somewhat high numbers of unskilled workers.But that's a guesstimate from me.The factories always draw numbers of people to the area that need a paycheck and insurance,but just don't happen to be highly skilled.Here's an interesting read I found this morning-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071117/a...

November 18, 2007 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Good read, BLULITE. All those names, telescoped into each other and stuffed into the can of worms. Wow!

November 18, 2007 at 12:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Could someone please point me to the link that explains this federal subsidization of refugee wages, specifically what Tyson is getting out of this? I'm not being sarcastic in my request either. I truly would like to read up on this and understand just how much money we are talking about so I can be more informed on the subject.

November 18, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

can..open.....worms..everywhere...

November 18, 2007 at 12:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

been_there- Wish it was that easy. I'm looking for one simple answer myself! It's all intertwined,but maybe someone here has found a single source.Some of the links to the class action lawsuit demonstrates how Tyson has garnered far reaching influence.Some is payed as"soft" money-Like the 100K Hillary made on Tyson insider trading.Also check into the various"charities".They make millions off this scam and Tyson gets the cheap labor.We get the tax bill.They spent a lot of money, time and effort to get low wage slave labor imported.The best guess I've heard is for every dollar per hour you can cut wages,it means a quarter billion in savings to them every year.

November 18, 2007 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BEEN_THERE, Let me start you off with this one. Then when I find more, I'll be back.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 18, 2007 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

blulitespecial:
I don't know if what I am going to say will be the simple answer you or anyone else is looking for but the simple truth to the problems of the entire country is the fact that as long as the common working people of this country continue to let the GREEDY, WEALTHY INDIVIDUAL, CORPORATIONS and STOCKHOLDERS, who care about nothing but making themselves richer and wealthier on the backs of poor working people and by influencing public officals with expensive gifts and payoffs ie, campaign contributions, etc., such as your countrys' PRESIDENT, CONGRESSMEN, GOVERNERS, STATE CONGRESSMEN, COUNTY OFFICIALS, CITY MANAGERS, and CITY COUNCILMEN and CITY COMMISSIONERS your are going to continue to see growing disscontent about immigration, low wages, taxes, etc. in this country until the legal, poor taxpaying peoples of this country do something about the governmental GRAFT, GREED and CORUPTION that exits in this community and country.

November 18, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

Meth, who are the non greedy? Are there any?

November 18, 2007 at 1:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BEEN_THERE, here's another. In the meantime, read METHUSLA.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 18, 2007 at 1:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

yeah-what methusla said!

November 18, 2007 at 2:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BEEN_THERE, everything on Emporia is here. Now, gotta go rake leaves.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 18, 2007 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

METHUSLA, you are quoted in the above link. Last story.

November 18, 2007 at 2:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

i agree, emporia has a ton of intelligent folks, and i tend to like the values people have here. its too bad tyson has essentially rolled the red carpet across emporia letting us be walked on for so long.

November 18, 2007 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glarson (anonymous) says...

Kstre,

We have begun moving comments on topics generating more than 50 posts to separate forums. This is being done, no matter the topic. You'll notice that the Seasonal Celebration debate was frozen and moved to a forum, also, as was the debate on the appropriateness of music played in public venues.

This was not a move to silence the Somali debate. If you noticed, people were posting the same comments to four stories to ensure they reached as many as possible. This way, comments can be posted once.

We experimented with the mechanics of our site to find the best way to handle this. I would have preferred having the topics come up as soon as users clicked on Forums. The site doesn't work this way.

By grouping these topics within News Forums, you the users can start your own topics. When our users begin using the general forums more, I believe you'll have no worries about the threads being seen.

Gwen larson

November 18, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

hey gwen i was just looking at the web cam, is it possible to make it in real time instead of stop motion and maybe pan the area?

November 18, 2007 at 3:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jasonandashley (anonymous) says...

Cheerup! You must have got in on this forum a little late cause i am one that posted towards the beginning of this forum. And if you would have read that then you would know that I HAVE MOVED!!! And I don't regret it!!! Yeah we miss the easy access of stores and shops right there in Emporia, but it was like living in hell in the apartments that we lived in. And you know....we did give the somalians a chance or at least we tried. We stuck it out for 8 LONG months. Until we couldn't take it no more. We were looking for a house outside of Emporia, but one that was still fairly close since we have to commute to work 5 days a week. Why didn't we just move to the opposite side of town or get a house right outside the city limits?....well because the prices on so many houses were out-of-this-world!
But a place came up for sale that had a significant amount of property and just the right size house for us and a family, if we choose to start one right now, and we jumped on the opportunity to buy because the window for the sale was very narrow. Honestly, we consider ourselves lucky because we were able to get out and fortunately we only have to go to Emporia to work. Shopping has become so aggrivating at times that we save ourselves the hassle and go to other towns to shop. And we don't by tyson meat anymore...because, as someone else above stated "it all taste the same". Fortunately we have a few cows now and we have family in the butchering business so we know where our meat comes from and who processes.....without charging us two arms, a leg, and a kidney.

If you would like a personal account from us and some of the things we had to deal with, then I would be more than happy to send you an email with details of our encounters so that i don't waste other people's comment space. A few of the others who are on here happen to know us and what we had to deal with until we finally gave up trying and were finally got out, and they will stand up for us. We will be at the meeting on the 28th, with the ENTIRE family, perhaps you will be too, I suggest you go and sit back and listen to some of the real testimonies and concerns and questions that the citizens of Emporia have. We still have friends living in Emporia who have lived and worked there for so long that they really don't know where they would move to or we have friends that can't afford to get out of town at this moment. But what do you do when you have outragious prices on everything and a crappy economy?
And one final question to you: Do you actually live in emporia? I was just curious because if you do you evidently didn't live in the same neighborhood as us or near there at least.....maybe we, along with others posting here, we just encountering the "bad somalis" of the group.

November 18, 2007 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shamalama (anonymous) says...

create-
My comment wasn't meant to be racist....I mean by having these people in town raises my taxes, makes me more worried about who's driving on the road, makes me more concerned about the welfare of EMPORIANS, worried about the shock to the system that more somalians will bring, worried about a shrinking amount of jobs, but an influx of foreign workers....then maybe I don't belong here....I'm worried about the welfare of my children and family...if that makes me racist then I guess I am.

November 18, 2007 at 4:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

admiree:

I for one can truthfully say that I am a non-greedy person, because I have to live on a fixed, retirement income and cannot afford to pay a government official or anyone else for that matter to pass a bill or vote on legislation that will make me wealthy . I also know that there are numerous people living in Emporia and around the country that are in the same situation that I am, and that is why I, (we oppose a refugee resettlement center, because it will mean higher taxes to fund an already under-funded public services organization and be assured if a refugee resettlement center is established and more immigrants, refugees come in, higher taxes will be an inevitablity.

November 18, 2007 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

SHAMALAMA, I firmly apologize to you, and thank you for explaining. Your one sentence statement was so short that it sounded sharp-edged and shrill. I was listening to the voice in your words. Sometimes a short sentence like yours can deliver a wallop. Again, I'm sorry.

November 18, 2007 at 5:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

heres a view on america taking in refugees.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n...

November 18, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

slipandslide:
First of all slavery is when a person or people are forced to work for a master and receive no pay or compensation what-so-ever, therefore the Somalians that are imported into this country, Emporia as either immigrants or refugees are not slaves nor can they be compaired to the slaves of past history because these Somalians are paid whatever the starting wage is at Tyson and they also get to take time off to pray on company time and probably are not required to clock out to do so, therefore are paid for praying which would place an unfair burden on the other workers who would have to do their own jobs plus the job of a praying Somalian.
I don't think that the Somalians could be considered Slaves, do you! The Somalians maybe and are a disrespectful, thankless people who don't have the gumption to fight to make their own country free and a good place to live, But Slavesl, denfinately not.

November 18, 2007 at 7:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

METHUSLA, I disagree. Perhaps you are right in the pure sense of the word, "slave." but in the larger sense, Tyson and companies like them are employing refugees and paying them depressed wages. This is usury. This is victimization. Sure sounds like slavery to me.

They victimized the undocumented worker, but now the feds are after them for that so they turn to refugees. Let me ask you this...why do you suppose Tyson is so interested in refugee labor? I hope you don't believe Tyson is being benevolent. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio..."

November 18, 2007 at 9:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

not slaves in the traditional sense of the word. i tried to go back in the forum and find where someone said how much tyson saves each year for every dollar they save on labor, it s alot, but i wont quote it since i cant find it again. they are saving huge amounts on the refugees. where they are not going to make a living wage, there is not much chance of being independant of the social services that they need to make up the difference. is tyson paying them health insurance? or will they expect the medical card and the health dept cover that? the article was a different take on things, explains why immigration has been an issue thats in limbo for a long time

November 18, 2007 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create:

If you are going to catagorize the term "usury" as refering to undocumented workers and refugees, then you must lump every person who works for a wage paid to them by a CORPORATION or BUSINESS that becomes wealthy by using the workers they pay to become ridiculously wealthy, then everyone who works for such a corporation or business is being used by that corporation or business, hence your term usery, not slavery, don't confuse being used with slavery!
Also the citizens of this country and Emporia are the ones being raped and used, not necessarily by TYSON, but by our own local elected City, County elected officials and also by certain wealthy individuals and religious organizations.

November 18, 2007 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Here's another payment to Tyson from us-the taxpayer-courtesy of our good buddies in DC. mm...Wonder who was working on the Farm Bill then????This is from In These Times,Jun07.
-begin-

Tyson and other giants have consolidated their power by purchasing chicken feed for, well, chicken feed. As soybean and corn prices dropped 21 percent and 32 percent, respectively, after the passage of the 1996 farm bill, the chicken industry effectively collected a subsidy of $1.25 billion a year, according to Tufts researchers Elanor Starmer, Aimee Witteman and Wise. The subsidy—worth $2.59 billion to Tyson from 1997 to 2005—represents the savings for the industry compared to paying for the full cost of producing the grain in its feed. -end-

November 18, 2007 at 10:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

" The Somalians maybe and are a disrespectful, thankless people who don't have the gumption to fight to make their own country free and a good place to live,"

What's with the stereotyping statement?

--- Infinicat.

November 18, 2007 at 11:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Seems Sen.Roberts is on the take from the agribusiness PACs to the tune of $319,000.The money trail is coming to light.From the Wichita Eagle-
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/2120...
Kansas.com | 10/28/2007 | Subsidizing obesity

November 18, 2007 at 11:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Some of you have posted some pretty informative links and info since I've been reading this.I've been trying my best to dig up all the honest info I can.You can question what I post,sometimes I do,too.I hope most has helped some of you look a little deeper,or in a helpful direction.This whole mess doesn't look like it's gonna be easy to deal with.Seems like 1/2 of our state and federal elected officials will be of little help,and a couple Senators would rather we shut up.I don't intend to!

November 19, 2007 at 1:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

METHUSLA, you'll get no argument from me on this, for sure, particularly the "non-profits" or as you call them religious organizations because most are churches --
"Also the citizens of this country and Emporia are the ones being raped and used, not necessarily by TYSON, but by our own local elected City, County elected officials and also by certain wealthy individuals and religious organizations."

Don't forget the feds. TONS of money comes in the form of contracts from the ORR -- Office of Refugee Resettlement. Those are the people we need to e-mail.
If you'd like to e-mail the Domestic Resettlement Chief, here you go--
DayBJ@state.gov

Let us know if she sent you elsewhere without answering your questions.

November 19, 2007 at 7:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BLULITE, you have posted many good links, and I do appreciate it. Like you, I believe that this entire mess is not going to be easy to deal with. And yes, I do believe there are certain people out there who want us to shut up and go away. That just gives fuel for my fire. Unfortunately, I have spoken to some individuals who say, "Oh I just don't have time to read all that stuff." They just want to go about their tidy little lives with no concerns. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings."

But there are ways to mount the good fight and we must not be racists because that is not what this is all about. I just hope that our meeting doesn't fill with contentious individuals who want to cause problems and interrupt speakers. I also hope we receive good, honest answers and not smoke and mirrors. I firmly believe that something is amiss and I want some answers. This is all based on tons and tons of money. Oh yeah, and worms. :)

November 19, 2007 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create;

I most certainly have not forgotten about THE GOVERNMENT CONNECTION, as a matter of fact I have just finished emailing some pointed questions to Gov. Sebelius, Sen. James Barnett, Rep. Peggy Mast, and Rep. Don A. Hill and the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
I don't really expect any straight forward answers from any of these agencies or elected officials.

November 19, 2007 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I don't think we'll get much out of the guv- she's pretty much sold out to the international policymakers. Even a future US government position is just a steppingstone for her.If you get anything worthwhile back from her at all,please post it! I'm betting a lot of you know of 580 talk radio in Topeka.Here's a link to their contact page.

http://www.raubinandmegan.com/email.php
Contact Raubin & Megan

November 19, 2007 at 11:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Thanks, BLULITE. I bookmarked the site. Looks interesting. I'm guessing you told them about our community happenings.

November 19, 2007 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

somali (anonymous) says...

Hello again Open Eyes,
my friend you're complaining that i am not answering all your questions,first I am not online 7/24/52-may be you have more time then I do,so i tried to reply all the questions,if you still missing same it is good idea to make us an apointment,so that we can meet face to face.

November 19, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

With regard to the article about Norfolk, Nebraska -- "Local government and school officials were not included in plans to bring in the refugees, and they found themselves scrambling to cope with the needs of both the refugees and the home community."

In other words, despite all of Norfolk's experience with having NOT BEEN INCLUDED in the plan, this very same thing happened to Emporia? AGAIN? Well, well, Does Fardusa Council have anything to do with this great planning?

The questions just keep heaping up, don't they.

November 19, 2007 at 3:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I must be an idiot, what does 7/24/52 mean, July 24th, 1952 ! exactly what does it mean, if anyone knows please inform me.

November 19, 2007 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

create-Yes,they (580 WIBW radio)were informed a while back.It was "turned over the news team for investigation". That was well before the meeting.Now that another meeting is scheduled with Moran and others,it's possible this a little higher on their radar screen.Supposedly Glenn Beck will be on with them Tuesday. If enough of us email them,and call the "rant line" posted on the contact page- perhaps some questions will be asked!

November 19, 2007 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

tmt (anonymous) says...

7/24/52 = 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, 52 weeks a year

November 19, 2007 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

tmt
thanks, I guess I am a little to old as this was a new one to me.

November 19, 2007 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hogan77 (anonymous) says...

I must say, I am very disappointed in Emporian politicians. They should not be wasting their time worrying about other people, they should be spending their time to improve the lives of people already living in town.

I love Emporia, or at least, the town it once was. I moved away 5 years ago, before Somalis ever came to live there. I used to live in Americus, and drove back and forth every day to work. I had to, there was no way I could afford to live in Emporia. Once I divorced, I tried to live in Emporia, just my daughter and I. Six months of living in a rat and roach infested one bedroom apartment, for $400. a month. SRS wouldn't give us any assistance, because as a single individual, I made TOO MUCH money. I depended on the help of a few churches for food and utilities, because I simply couldn't afford to pay rent, divorce attorneys and all my regular bills.

It saddened me to leave, but let me assure you, it was the best choice I ever made. I moved to a small town of around 1,500 people. I paid $300 a month on a two bedroom house. My food was cheaper, my utilities lower, gas cheaper cause I didn't have to drive everywhere. The school here is good. They still need some help with one particular person getting off the school board, then perhaps some of the ridiculous rules would be overturned. But, I look at it this way. I don't have to worry about if I can afford my groceries or house payment the next month, and I even work in a convenience store! I don't have to worry about being mugged by a Somali, since we don't have any. In fact, we have about 1/4 the population as being hispanic, and most of them have been here at least the same amount of time we have. We do have two Bosnian families in town, but they are the nicest people, they keep to themselves, and never cause any problems. We are actually needing more people around here. We could use people to come work here, at the pizza place, the grocery store, the gas station, plus others. Granted, not the best jobs around.. but, I make a living doing it. We need people to fill the empty houses in town, to improve them and make them beautiful once again. We need new businesses in town, since we really don't have a lot.

So my fellow Emporians, if you finally decide to move on, as I did... I will be more than happy to lead you out here. We need a few good minds to fill empty spots here. We all know that the politicians and Tyson are not working in your best interest, and I wish you all well in trying to make them provide for you FIRST. However, I really don't see it happening. Instead, I see Emporia becoming a sink hole for ungrateful refugees, and the lifetime residents becoming the victims in it all.

November 19, 2007 at 4:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

somali is using a current slang meaning twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year. the short version of it is 24/7 maybe 580 radio should broadcast in emporia also? it sounds good. the gazette should use less biased reporting, meaning they should show both side s of an issue instead of reporting from one side only, isnt investigative journalism also mean finding the answers to questions instead of expecting the community to go hunting the answers themselves?

November 19, 2007 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

tmt, sorry i didnt notice that you had posted the answer to the question already, sorry

November 19, 2007 at 5:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

MerryCarol (anonymous) says...

Frankly, I thought the Norfolk article was encouraging. The refugees helped the town financially, and they all worked together to make it work. Yes, the schools and other systems should be notified so they can adjust as best as possible, but obviously they did it and it was pretty successful, until Tyson closed the plant.

As for people telling stories of encounters with Somalians. I have yet to have a problem. I hear about women being treated badly in WalMart, but they've been polite to me. My husband has never had a problem either. We've never witnessed a problem with any of them. I don't doubt some problems have happened. Culture issues can be sticky.

Don't forget though, crime was growing in Emporia before these people arrived. Can't blame it all on them.

These people are refugees. This country has always had an open door for people with great needs who will be killed in their own country. They need help.

Yes, get answers to questions, but don't close your mind to this situation perhaps working out beautifully, for everyone. As the children assimilate and socialize, that will also help.

November 19, 2007 at 5:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

slipandslide- 580 in Topeka DOES broadcast here-I get it better than 1400.They reach past the NE,MO,and OK state lines.

November 19, 2007 at 5:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Somali, I asked you about the rude treatment of women in places like check-out lines, for instance. Is this the way women are treated in your culture? If you don't treat them this way, then why are these incidents happening? Why hasn't the Somalian community gotten together and said "Hey everybody, that's not the way it is done here, and these incidents need to stop NOW? Along with many other problems that have caused friction with the local community. If many of you came from Nebraska, why haven't you/they figured this out by now?

Without going back and searching for my questions, I think you pretty much answered most of them.
You don't know where I got my info about the practice on young girls, never heard of it, even though studies show it is practiced almost universally in Somalia. And news reports of Somalian families rushing to have it done before coming to the US. I've posted plenty of links to those.
You are against the US fighting the UIC, you say there are no Al-Qaeda there. Despite mountains of evidence showing the UIC is heavily funded and gives support to Al-Qaeda - and UIC leaders even appear in propaganda videos with them. I've posted plenty of links to those also. And Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda work for the US Gov, right, got it.
You said the real problem is with our policy makers, a statement in which I quite agree with you wholeheartedly - then you posted a video slamming FoxNews - I guess that was your "proof"? What does FoxNews have to do with gov policy? What I said about that was you had much to learn about US, ALL news is biased anymore (I'm sure someone will comeback again and complain that I'm crazy if I think there are news orgs that are unbiased - so a preventative strike here, please read closely what I said). What I told you was to always try to find and listen to both sides of the story, don't let our biased media blindly lead you where they may.
So I really don't see much point in any other questions, I've pretty much gotten a feel for what the answers will be. I am curious about my first question here about treatment of women, however.

November 19, 2007 at 5:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reservist (anonymous) says...

If Norfolk had to open up free programs, offer a building for prayer, who paid for all of it? I woulnt rent a building for free for no amount of time, and the clinics may have been free for patients, but Im sure the clinics needed money for supplies and operating cost. So my question again who paid for it all? The tax payers? Grant money has to come from some where. Doesnt our taxes go to grants to? Isnt their enough low income families and single mothers that could use such programs? Shouldnt we take care of our own first? Shouldnt we use grant money to start a free child care center so low income families and single mothers can find a job or go back to school? How about the homeless and disabled veterans shouldnt we take care of them? What happens if Tyson does shut down? Norfolk had an increase of crime, do we really want any more crime in our town? If we cant solve our own problems why do we try to solve the problems of the world?

November 19, 2007 at 5:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

It seems the Norfold article was written........ very..........carefully. Some obvious problems seem to have been mentioned almost as an afterthought, or tiptoed around. It would be interesting to see another point of view, one not written by a cheerleader.

November 19, 2007 at 5:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

reservist (anonymous) says...

Good point. Emporia and its citizens need to know all the facts. Not just Norfolf but ever town comparable to Emporias size that has faced a large number of refugees being relocated needs to be researched and addressed.

November 19, 2007 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Same here- I read nothing in the Norfolk article memorable,except they chased some grant money to help with community services.There was no in-depth mention of real costs to the city,or taxes,or welfare statistics.Pretty much"Yeah,they arrived,we tried,they left."

November 19, 2007 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

You're right, Reservist. Good observations. I keep pointing to Lewiston, Maine as one very good example because they went bankrupt. Here's the link again:

http://www.vdare.com/francis/maine.htm

BLULITE, what time is that program on 580 AM?

Also, I'm told that Matt Zimmerman will be interviewed on KVOE at 7:10 a.m. this coming Wednesday the 21st.

Everybody, keep your powder dry.

November 19, 2007 at 5:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

create- It's broadcast 11am -2pm Mon-Fri. They have several talk programs on thru a 24 day. They run the Glen Beck program until 11am.I was just reading about the West Point ,Nebraska Tyson plant that closed,too.The industry is shrinking,so perhaps they want disposable workers brought in at taxpayer expense.Then "rationalize" the plants,layoff everyone,and walk away with no costs.(but there's always welfare..)

November 19, 2007 at 6:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

580 Radio Here-
http://www.raubinandmegan.com/
and contact here-
http://www.raubinandmegan.com/email.php

November 19, 2007 at 6:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Found something interesting here that explains something about the non-profits. That last sentence reaches out and snaps its fingers at me.

"The Washington Times featured Lavinia Limon, director of a non-profit refugee agency. But it neglected to mention she was formerly the director of the federal DHHS Office of Refugee Resettlement. Would any other government-dependent industry have gotten such light treatment by the media for what is obviously a revolving door between the industry and the federal government? Back when Miss Limon was head of ORR, she told me the main function of the refugee “non-profits”, known as Voluntary Agencies, was to link refugees up with public benefits programs"
.

November 19, 2007 at 7:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

reservist;
You are absolutely right, everything that is done for the refugees and immigrants is done with the poor hardworking CITIZEN taxpayer of this countrys' tax dollars, Also as long as the current government regimes, Federal, State, County and Local will continue to recieve moneys, etc. from Wealthy Individuals, Wealthy Corportaions to vote a certain way or turn a blind eye to a certain problem, we as poor taxpaying citizens will continue to have no voice or choice how things are done in this country.
Also if a refugee or immigrant doesn't own any real taxable property they don't pay taxes. Even if they did I have no doubt that TYSON would help them pay for that also.

November 19, 2007 at 7:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

create-the link is "no longer avail." Would it be a possibility that Director Limon's investment portfolio grew after she went from civil service to the private sector? Just a thought.

November 19, 2007 at 7:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

To all on this forum who may be interested I did receive an answer to my email that I sent to Rep. Peggy Mast, her answer to my questions were and I quote " good questions"
Great answer huh!

November 19, 2007 at 8:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BLULITE, LOL, you may be right about Limon. That is so weird. I was just on there earlier today. I'll ask the VDare blogger. He has given me several great links, and I have sent him all our stories. Will get back to you on that tomorrow.

November 19, 2007 at 8:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Is it me, or is the story about Norfolk missing from the stories list?

November 19, 2007 at 8:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Methusla wrote:

" Also if a refugee or immigrant doesn't own any real taxable property they don't pay taxes."

This is simply untrue, whether out of ignorance or malice.

The rents all tenants pay _do_ pay for the property taxes on the buildings in which they live.

--- Infinicat

November 19, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

And the rent also goes towards putting the landlords kids thru college, renting DVD's, and paying for the landlords vacation in Hawaii. I'm really confused by your statement.
I own rental property in the Emporia area, and I am the one that pays the property taxes, not the renter. Doesn't matter whether that money comes from my job earnings, rent fees, or gambling wins at the casino - to the IRS, I pay the taxes, not the renter.
I rented for several years, the IRS did not consider that I paid property tax.

Let's see, I bought some groceries tonight, I'm sure part of that money went towards paying the property tax for the grocery store, and taxes on the owner's new HumVee, so do I need to report that to the IRS come April?

November 19, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

the last line of the column catches my attention. if esu students are considered transient cause they move when they graduate, the immigrants are using tyson as a stepping stone so they can be considered transient, then what workforce does emporia have left that will attract businesses? the low median income level here iswhat keeps alot of businesess from moving here does that mean emporia will not have a chance to grow in the future? if people move out of town everytime a business like menu goes out does that mean the town is shrinking? its seems to me like to census hasnt shown much growth in a long time. the last sentence makes sense, if a town dont have the workers, theres nothing to grow on. merrycarol yes the crime seems to keep growing here, not because of somalis, its alot of ignorant type stuff like vandelism, theft and burglary, my thoughts are that the fewer and lower paying the jobs are here, the more we will learn to live with this stuff. and before the next person(admire ed) makes a crack about me needing to get and education, i finished at the votech many years ago and work, keep your opinons of me to yourself!!

November 19, 2007 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

Then you must be earning well over the average with that education because you learned a needed skill. Right?

November 19, 2007 at 11:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

I don't want to argue this endlessly and veer off-topic, but everyone, directly or indirectly, pays property taxes. I don't want to veer off-topic with this, but it is ludicrous to think that the burden of taxes is not formulated and passed on to the consumer in any business.

I don't see any practical or legal way to eject the Somalis that are here already, nor, short of turning down serious federal grants, achieving the hostile-to-refugee status other towns have. In other words, I think most here are in denial about the reality of the situation, but from several comments about politicians, it seems to be slowly sinking in.

What I would like to see here are constructive ideas about the situation as it stands. No Somalis are going back to a refugee camp, nor is Tyson going to bend to Emporians' demands and move them elsewhere. If they can get the $162,000/per refugee that other towns have received, every merchant and landlord will want the Somalis (and money) to stay, not to mention local officials.

Let's get real: There's no cavalry coming. Yes, they'll give the citizens opportunities to voice their objections, as the Gazette is doing, but the big money is very likely to win out.

What then?

--- Infinicat

November 19, 2007 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

WILLIAM_A (anonymous) says...

Maybe it is just me, but a large portion of crimes in the daily report are names that most people can not even pronounce.
And for the other small portion of crimes reported, those are the college kids getting caught peeing outside ect. And thats being going on for years and happens in every college town. And if I was to guess for those large portion of crimes reported, I am sure it takes extra resources to process and to give them there time in court. Like intrupeturs, lawyers, warrants issued and served because they do not understand what it means to pay a fine or be in court to appper ( or just choose not to) ect.
BUILD THE DAMN FENCE ALREADY!!!!!!!!!

AKA
WILLIAM_A_WHITE

November 19, 2007 at 11:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

If the resettlement process continues- Then we keep on keepin' on! Then when Emporia is a direct resettlement destination via KCI,we're gonna be begging for help from every government agency we can find.Luckily,Being in between the Kansas City Federal Field offices,Ft.Leavenworth,and Ft Riley,the intelligence community will be able to study all this too! Anyway, what I was going to post- From Nebraska-
from the article:
In a lengthy, prepared statement the company said employees would receive 60 days pay and benefits, and a chance to seek work at other Tyson plants including those in Dakota City, Lexington, and Emporia, Kansas. It also said cash relocation incentives would be offered.

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/...
NE StatePaper.com - Tyson Plant Closings Take 1,665 Jobs From Norfolk, West Point

November 19, 2007 at 11:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

Sorry for the late comment, but work has been a little nuts lately... Is the Gazette going to publish a follow up article to the Neb. comparison? I know that doing an article based on people living in a different state with a small staff and budget can't be easy, but I hope we can get a more diversified picture of the communities affected than one member of the area's local chamber. Business organizations will rarely say that loosing a business is a good thing, but I would be interested in looking at the rate of growth or decline in things like median income, population, property values, pull factors, crime and job growth at different time periods after a refugee resettlement. A lot of people are asking for hard data so they can make their own determinations about the direction the city should take, and it’s hard to get that from one person with an obvious pro-business agenda in one piece. Again, I'm not saying it will be easy, and I appreciate the work the Gazette is doing to research this issue. But, if you want to report on possible outcomes of refugee resettlement or rejection of the proposed settlement, it would seem that hard numerical comparisons would be the way to go. Otherwise, the debate is simply based on emotion, and that (no matter the outcome) won't help anyone.

November 19, 2007 at 11:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

For another example of the tax "skewering" we get, click on the Nebraska link I just posted.Scroll down to comments,and read"Tyson Foods got LBB775 tax credits".

November 19, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hottopics (anonymous) says...

I have one question? Does the 95% of Emporians who want them gone have any rights to get them gone? NOPE!

Its one of those things that if it had been put to the community to vote on we wouldnt be here in this mess we are now.

November 19, 2007 at 11:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

emporian (anonymous) says...

The way it looks now Emporia is making the Wife and Myself's decision easy. 2 more years and we can leave the area. We dont know where yet, but if in a couple years someone wants to buy a house in a small outlying community let me know. Wherever I go you can bet your behind there wont be a meat packing plant there.

November 20, 2007 at 12:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

emporian (anonymous) says...

I forgot to add, we are both educated and have only stayed in the area because of the connection with the town and the area. That connection is being broken. I left Emporia for another town when our apartment building on the west side of town had Somali men standing outside our door when the wife left for work at 3 am and I was at work. She didnt feel safe, so we got out. Glad we did.

November 20, 2007 at 12:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Some interesting late night reading as I've been searching...

This is an interesting story on the true cost of immigration in Britain...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live...

"Those who speak out about this in the borough risk being accused of prejudice and intolerance" - sounds like a small Kansas town I know.....

Interesting article on Norfolk asking Tyson to help out paying for the immigrants they brought in, now that they've closed the plant...

http://www.negop.org/newsdetails.asp?...

Curious about one thing (well, not really). If a landlord has his rental empty (nobody living in it) - then who gets to pay the property taxes????

November 20, 2007 at 12:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I've been trying to hit this subject from every angle I can.We do need beef,corn,and beans.They pretty much drive the economy around here.But we got a bad,bad neighbor,and they won't clean up their act.

November 20, 2007 at 12:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

More interesting reading. From

http://www.vdare.com/walker/lewiston.htm

"Abdullahi Abdullahi, president of the Clarkston Somali Community Development Organization, explained: "Maine is crazy cold, but the welfare system is much better.
Official Lewiston was taken aback by the enormous uptick in costs for education, welfare and social services."

Well, good to know that was a plus for Lewiston being picked as a refugee center - the welfare system was much better....

Oh, and, ya know, I have some rental property that I didn't put enough down on to where the monthly rent doesn't even cover the monthly bank payment. Wonder who's paying the property tax on that? Till I get it paid off, anyway....

November 20, 2007 at 12:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Good stuff- open_eyes!

November 20, 2007 at 1:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Norfolk's 2000 median household income was $34000....In 2005 it was $36000

In 2000 the average home value was $83000....In 2005 it was $88000.

Population has increased by 1.6% since 2000.

The link the the info follows:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Norfolk...

When did Tyson leave Norfolk?

November 20, 2007 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

infinicat, the rent you keep bringing up is going up soon, the landlords have already promised to raise the rent when the housing code passes so your favorite topic is going to cost you more money.how about the landlords that have alot of properties and say one owns 10 places, but 5 have sat empty for more than a year when the landlord has to get the empties up to standard, will he include that cost into the extra rent he will charge on the properties he has rented? i dont know and i dont think i have heard, but im wondering. admire ed ill make more when i leave emporia and pay a lower cost of living,emporia in general has lower wages than other places, even topeka has more, we also have the highest taxes, so moving is only a win- win situation as a bonus, there will be more recreation and more entertainment than emporia has

November 20, 2007 at 7:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Tyson announced they were leaving Norfolk on Feb 15 2006.

http://www.foodprocessing.com/industr...

--- Infinicat

November 20, 2007 at 7:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

will there be a cap on how much the rent can be raised? or will it be the landlords discretion to raise as much as he wants?

November 20, 2007 at 7:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

We're getting thread drift. This rent thing has little, if anything, to do with the Somalis.

On Bush's efforts to help immigrants:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

On assimilation:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2...

FOX version:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2...

--- Infinicat

Ps. To slipand slide: I don't think there's rent controls in Emporia, so the market will decide.

November 20, 2007 at 8:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Welcome back, NETLOAFER!

OPEN_EYES, good Vdare link. I had one on Lewiston by Sam Francis of Vdare, but that is apparently no longer available. But this one by Walker is very good too.

According to U.S. Department of Labor, employers can qualify for the Work Opportunity Tax Credit. $2,400 for each new adult hire; $1,200 for each summer youth hire; and a whopping $9,000 for each new long-term employee who is receiving family assistance and hires on for over a two-year period. Is this why welfare is such an important component? Has this WOTC been part of the juggling act? Just asking.

http://www.doleta.gov/business/Incent...

November 20, 2007 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Oh yeah, the WOTC has a deadline. January 1, 2008. Why the rush?

November 20, 2007 at 9:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

infinicat, would your first link be the "WashingtonPost Version?"

And is the second link the "USAToday Version?"

November 20, 2007 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cheerup (anonymous) says...

I can't believe that no one has commented on the reference in the article about the Bible?????

November 20, 2007 at 9:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

cheerup, which article are you referring to? I've searched the last 10 links posted and haven't found what you are referencing.... thx

November 20, 2007 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I don't know if anyone read the whole article in the Nov.15 Gazette on the Immigration Forum that took place on Wed., Nov. 14. I think that almost every one in town is concerned about the continued rise in property taxes, especially those of us living on a fixed income.
If you didn't get a chance to read the article, one particular quote jumps out at me HARD! and that quote is by Prof. Catlett a so called economics expert and that quote is as follows word for word.
" Sales tax collections COULD increase with more people buying goods and services, and property values could go up----and with that property-tax collections------as a result of immigration."
I agree with Prof. Catlett that Sales tax collections COULD increase, but the key word here is COULD that means that it is not gauranteed, I also agree that property values COULD go up, but again the key word here is COULD which also means no gaurantee that they will, the only thing that I disagree with Prof. Catlitt on is the idea that property tax collections COULD increase, there is no COULD about it property tax collection WILL increase in the form of higher property taxes regardless of wheather your property value increases or not, the property tax collections WILL increase in the form of higher proper taxes, GUARENTEED!, because the more immigrants and refugees that come here the more that are going to be unemployed and this means they will need the taxpayer funded Social Services Programs, that are already under funded and therefore more tax money will have to be collected and that is going to mean higher property taxes, the job or employment in a town the size of Emporia is not that large and you have native local citizens that can't find jobs thanks to Tysons illegal hiring practices, therefore watch out citizens of Emporia you are definately headed for higher property taxes!
Oh and by the way in case some of you didn't know it, Emporia and Lyon County has one of the lowest wage bases and income bases in the State of Kansas and one of the highest if not the Highest tax base in Kansas for a town its size, THINK ABOUT IT, do you really want higher property taxes.

November 20, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

We are SO off topic now everyone!!!!!!...and I am getting phone calls from people asking me what we are talking about...Since we don't have the original article, as a heading anymore.

I'm getting very concerned because of the phone calls and e-mails people are sending me....

The article that started this forum was on November 3 and 4, 2007....
EMPORIA READIES FOR MORE SOMALI REFUGEES....(type that in SEARCH)......

I had to go back and read it again this morning, to remind myself of what it said, and what our issues are.

We have a meeting in a week. Wednesday..November 28th, 7PM....in the Little Theatre of the White Auditorium.

I'm starting to worry that people are losing interest, or are thinking WE, the people on this Forum, will be representing the community at the meeting....EVERYONE is invited..we need EVERYONE to attend!!!!!..Whether you are posting here,or not....

We are going to have Representatives from USD253, Flint Hills Community Health Center, City of Emporia Police Department, Catholic Charities, and ERRA.

Elected Officials that will be there are:

State Rep Don Hill
State Rep Peggy Mast
The City Commission

and Possibly, SRS Office of Refugee Services and
TYSON...

Congressman Moran is unable to attend, but we may have a rep from his office.....

PLEASE...everyone... we have to keep focused now...Stay on Topic...and keep telling people about this meeting.

I haven't been posting much lately...I have been talking to some of the people in the community...and answering e-mails and phone calls......WE need to keep this on topic from now on...and KEEP announcing the meeting!!!!

Please help!.....We have a lot of people reading now that are just learning about what is happening......We need to let them catch up.

Don't stop posting, please!!!...just keep them shorter...and "No more Bloviating!!!!"
:-)

I will send you all a notice about the meeting at the Country Club later. I want to make sure everyone has marked their Calendars for NEXT Wed. the 28th of November...at 7PM...Please, please, be there! We need ALL of you to attend. Every single person is important...and, needs the chance to be heard!!!!

If you have any other questions,or would like to be added to our contact e-mail and phone list.......please e-mail me at:

im.renegade@yahoo.com

November 20, 2007 at 10:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Methusla, I'm glad you brought up the topic of our taxes being raised due to demand on taxpayer-funded social services programs. That's a good comment; it happens to be the number one reason I have for opposing a refugee resettlement point here in Emporia. And yes, I agree with you Methusla, we are indeed heading for higher property taxes -- as if they weren't high enough already. I keep looking at what happened to Lewiston, Maine. Poor little town went bankrupt and their mayor was attacked for bigotry when all he really wanted to do was oppose refugees based on the certain bankruptcy his city was facing and eventually did.

Sorry to hear that Jerry Moran won't be appearing. But remember, he will be here at the Country Club on November 29th at 12:30.

November 20, 2007 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

cheerup (anonymous) says...

open_eyes-You have to read the Gazette to read the reference to the Bible.

November 20, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Meeting #2....Please mark your Calendars....

Emporia Country Club at 12:30...on November 29th...(Thursday)...Congressman Jerry Moran....This is open to the Public.

If possible, please plan to attend both of the meetings (on the 28th and 29th)...We really need strong representation.

I will send out reminders after Thanksgiving, for both meetings.

There is NO meeting tomorrow night...There have been some rumors that there is a meeting at the Library for our Group tomorrow ..NOT TRUE! :-)

(I know I sound stressed..:-(.......sorry...)
I just want everyone to be at the meetings!!.....and, understand the issues.......and have questions ready!....

That's my job with the group...LOL...to keep you informed on meetings, and updates.......FYI.. :-) im.renegade@yahoo.com

November 20, 2007 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Love and Aloha for a Happy Thanksgiving, Renegade.
Imua! (That means forge ahead in Hawaiian) ee-MOO-ah. And for doing a good job, Mahalo. (thank you)
You numbah one pretty good gal, answer phone, send e-mail, big time plenty work. You no stress out. You cook dinner now. Take care family. No more pilikia (trouble) for group. Take care Renegade first. :)

November 20, 2007 at 1:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

very well said methsula, the ones who will be working at tyson will not make a living wage, 7.86 per hour from what i have heard, so the only bills they can pay is low rent, utilities, and maybe car payments, everything else will be on the public's tab

November 20, 2007 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

neighbor (anonymous) says...

Momus, you beat me to the punch. The article about Norfolk is one sided, based on a Chamber of Commerce employee's comments and data. The Chamber Rep spoke of all the positively PC efforts they took, the pluses to refugee brought to the community, how the community dealt with the issues and needs of the group, and how painful it was to their community when the Tyson facility left.

Now Emporia Gazette, how about an article where citizens of Norfolks are asked how they feel about Tyson's shutdown and the mass exodus of the low skill, transcient community that came to work at Tyson. I don't doubt for a minute that you'll find the public is relieved to have the worry gone from Norfolk.

November 20, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

Emporia higher tax than most other cities in Kansas? Are taxes on property and sales both considered? A link to these lists available?

November 20, 2007 at 1:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

slipandslide;
Thanks and I agree with your last post. I wonder how many other people in Emporia have heard the rumors that I have heard and they are only rumors, but I have heard that TYSON not only subsidizes the housing for the somalians but they also subsidize their automobiles and that TYSON also bought the building for their somalian restaurant on east 12th ave. no wonder the somalians can all drive fairly new cars and all have cell phones. Makes me wonder how much of these subsidies find their way into government pockets, Hummmmmm, sorry just thinking.

November 20, 2007 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

admireed;
Go to www.taxfoundation.org and you will find out that the state of Kansas is raked 14 for having the highest taxes in the entire nation of 50 States.
I don't remember where I found the information on Emporias' ranking to taxes in the State of Kansas but I know I found the information before and it said that Emporia is one of the highest or the highest taxed city in the State, I will continue to find the site with the information.

November 20, 2007 at 2:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

slipandslide, what you said about rumors regarding Tyson subsidies for cars, rent, etc? Put that into the form of a question and ask it next Thursday night. Tyson is supposed to be there. Fardusa Council is their liaison. Think they'll answer?

November 20, 2007 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

im sure they will answer, i hope its a straight forward answer, im sure it will be. is infinicat trying to bait arguments and then ending the conversation when he/she gets an answer that isnt wanted?

November 20, 2007 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

In last night's article, a couple of things stand out for me. Did Norfolk have an easier time than what we're in for because the majority of their refugees were christian Sudaneese? And the last comment about No Child Left Behind, did their scores go up because they left? It seems unclear what was meant.

November 20, 2007 at 3:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Even if Tyson answers your questions, are you really going to believe what they say? I doubt it!! Just like in weeks past when everyone wanted to hear from someone in Norfolk, the Gazette went and got the information but everyone on here chooses to believe otherwise. And if they are subsidizing housing and automobiles, I need to get my name on that list!

November 20, 2007 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

slipandslide...IT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT!!!!! AGGGHHHHH......the 28th..........LOL...

Write that down please....WEDNESDAY NIGHT..the 28th(are you stressing me out on purpose? LOL)

November 20, 2007 at 3:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

I cannot BELIEVE that!!!.....CREATE..YOU are the one that said THURSDAY night????.... So funny...Sorry slipandslide...I didn't mean to blame you :-( ....It's WEDNESDAY night the 28th.

Aloha Create!

November 20, 2007 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

slipandslide, I've been wondering about infinicat. Baiting arguments? yes. Insider stirring the pot?

been_there, I'm afraid you're right. Tyson will tell us what they think we want to hear, if even that.

There is a way that refugees receive "free cars," however.
Here...
http://vdare.com/allen/urban_leg.htm

November 20, 2007 at 3:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

And another thing, the issue of the burden that is going to be put upon the schools, most of the Somalis have left their children at home OR with family members in larger cities. They are going to school in Minnesota, Missouri and Ohio, not here. We have almost 5000 students in USD 253, 7 of those are Somalis at the High School and I'm waiting on a call from the school board for the exact number in Elementary, which I was told is very low. How is that number going to be a problem, when most at the High School level speak fluent English anyway?

November 20, 2007 at 3:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create;
I am afraid I methusla must take credit for submitting the post about the rumors about the TYSON subsidies, it was not slipandslide and you may be sure I will ask the question about TYSON subsidies at both meetings.
And I had a very enjoyable conversation with you on the phone today about this matter.
I have numerous pointed questions and comments I would like to air at the public meeting, but they are too numereous
and possibly heated to do so, but be assured I will ask some pointed questions and make pointed commits if possible.
And I doubt that Fardusa Council will give a straight forward and honest answer, as I suspect that she is either receiving some remuneration from either TYSON or the City or some Government agency or religious organization for being a Somali liason and I believe that is why you will never get an honest answer.

November 20, 2007 at 4:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

been_there.....

What about the refugees from Myanmar (Burma), that Tyson has asked for, through Catholic Charities......Have you heard anything about them yet?

And, will there be more Somalias in another influx???
How many more influxes will we have from Somalia, alone....
Mr. Weitkamp, said that "in the future, he expects Emporia to be developed as a Refugee Center."
He said he "expects" there will be direct re-settlement here....which will "expand" our role".
He also said "if the numbers of refugees increase, it is possible the local office would apply to Washington to become a suboffice."......
Doesn't sound like the numbers will remain low to me, been_there......

Go back and read the article again in the November 3rd and 4th issue of the Gazette......

This is just the beginning.......

November 20, 2007 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

create wrote:

" I've been wondering about infinicat. Baiting arguments? yes. Insider stirring the pot?"

Neither. I've looked at a lot, and read everything here, and sincerely believe there is no legal or viable political avenue to keep this from happening. Tyson has too much money and influence, Emporia is too small.

Maybe I am a fatalist in some people's eyes, or a realist. Time will tell.

There's a lot of emotions and dark currents underfoot regarding the Somali influx. I have heard statements that could have come out of white supremacists, and many perfectly legitimate feelings of anxiety, the kind people have felt about any immigrant group throughout history.

Somewhat amused by the assumptions,

--- Infinicat

November 20, 2007 at 4:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

there are no white supremisist here,this is a major issue in emporia, becoming a major resettlement center? this sounds like it will take place over a number of years,yes tyson is influential, but pay attention to politics outside emporia and see their influence will begin to wane

November 20, 2007 at 4:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

People, instead of getting racist disinformation from a self-admitted white nationalist site, why not check the gold standard on urban legends?

From Snopes.com:

" Tax Holidays for Immigrants

Claim: The U.S. government grants a seven-year tax holiday to certain favored groups of immigrants and provides them with free housing, new cars, and clothing allowances as well.

Status: False.

Origins: Forget about it; nobody is getting any breaks. The U.S. government wants taxes from everybody, native-born or newly-arrived.

Stories about immigrants' receiving new cars, apartments and clothing allowances from the government and being exempted from paying taxes date to the late 1960s — that's how old this canard is".

...and people are still repeating it.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/...

--- Infinicat

November 20, 2007 at 4:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

racist information, you just said we are white supremicists? your not racist??? if what is said on this site is so antagonising, why wasnt the correct information given same time the news gave we were becoming a refugee resettlement center, i might add, major?

November 20, 2007 at 5:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

No, I did not say anyone is a white supremacist. Read what I wrote.

I remarked that the site from which the disinfo came described THEMSELVES as "White Nationalists" (not my description).

I do think Emporia is getting pushed around unfairly by Tyson, who will profit from the Somalis while the social costs are passed on to what is basically a small, somewhat impoverished community.

--- Infinicat

November 20, 2007 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

............and so.........we're just to ........lean over & enjoy Tyson walking over all of us?

November 20, 2007 at 6:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

were getting misinformation from a white nationalist site, and statements that could have come out of white supremicists??
you say we are supremicist !! the websites we are getting information from are not questionable sites like snopes.com i can guess who signs your paychecks, is this the same attitude we can expect from fardusa council? dismissive, racist poorly informed? this is not misinformation, when someone dont make enough money-wages below living wage their health care, food, utilities, and sometimes rent is subsidized by the government. the more people on welfare, the more our taxes go up, proven fact also, when school districts have a high percent of low income children, the schools struggle to have high test scores, white supremicists?

November 20, 2007 at 6:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Renegade – Where did you get your information? Do you have proof that Tyson has asked for these refugees? Too much of the talk on here is about what someone has or hasn’t heard. I personally prefer to make my decisions based on numbers or information that I can see or get firsthand.
As for another influx of Somali’s – The ones that are coming now are not recruited so to speak. Let me explain what I KNOW, because I have made a point to talk to Somali’s and consider several of them my friends. They come here in groups, hell, they go everywhere in groups, but once they get here and get a job, they make phone calls. We all know they ALL have cellphones. They tell their friends or family that Emporia is a good city and that they have found a good place to work. Some of the ones I know made up their mind in Africa to come to Emporia, KS because they had heard how great it is! They stay here and work until what they consider is a better opportunity presents itself. Or they return to Minnesota to live with other family members to go to school. They do seem to have a desire to learn and have learned English quite quickly, as compared to other immigrants that I have had experience with. Less than half of those that came from Nebraska are still here.
Mr. W ‘expects’ the numbers to rise, I don’t think so! There is not enough in Emporia to keep the Somali’s here permanently. Most of them that I know are only here for awhile until they can earn enough money to start their own business either here or back in their home. Emporia will never be large enough to support their endeavors. Almost everyone that I know fully intends to return to Africa sooner or later!

November 20, 2007 at 6:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

.....can emporia at least get kissed first?
I & obviously alot of others on here want to be heard & at least acknowledged that we don't want to see this happening here! We may not be able to stop it, but we won't stop till we get answers...... real answers.....where, who, how all this is arranged. Who's in charge? where does the money come from? what program?......not the run-around.

November 20, 2007 at 6:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

.......yeah I know......it's the BLAME GAME......
I wanna play pin the blame on the BIG DONKEY that deserves it... If we're gonna live with the stigma of being the "refugee center".......I want to know who to BLAME (wasting our time & energy-------feel like we're all in the X-files)

November 20, 2007 at 6:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

minorityinemporia (anonymous) says...

Methusla please let me know if u find out where Emporia ranked on the chart as far as being taxed. I think we are number one!

November 20, 2007 at 6:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

been_there...

Gazette...November 3 and 4, 2007...EMPORIA READIES FOR MORE SOMALI REFUGEES......
Page 3....Column 3....

"Weitkamp said that representatives of Tyson's home office had approached him about refugees from Burma (now Myanmar) coming to this area."

That's why I asked if you had heard anything about them.

Everything I posted came from the article on November 3 &4...the article this Forum has been posting on since then.
I do not spread rumors... I went back and read the article again this morning....

You say only half from Nebraska are still here. How is it you know more than our Commissioners, who have told us that they do not know the numbers of Somali's here.?

Mr. Agler told a group of us at a meeting, that he felt that Emporia couldn't take the Stress from more Somali's either.

But, that won't stop Tyson, and the Catholic Charities.

"Weitkamp said he expects Emporia to become home to a "pretty substantial community" of refugees.

We are targeted to be a Refugee Center...and home to multi-cultured Immigrants.....No rumor!!!!

November 20, 2007 at 7:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

*************
For anyone new to the discussion,or if you're looking for a reference document,or just wanting see how these have progressed-Below are the original stories and comments.They all continue on this thread.There are a lot of links to government websites,newspaper articles,blogs with links to publications,and the like.There is a LOT of good,solid info here. A little garbage,too! There are a lot answers to questions I've seen posted lately.

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Group says info lacking on resettlement | emporiagazette.com

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Talking about it face to face | emporiagazette.com

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Relations commission discusses refugees | emporiagazette.com

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Professor explains immigrants' economic impact | emporiagazette.com

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Emporia readies for more Somali refugees | emporiagazette.com

***********

November 20, 2007 at 7:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

BEEN_THERE, Information regardingTyson asking for refugee laborers was in the Gazette article about the Human Relations Council meeting. " 'Didn't Farusa tell us...there were 200 openings?' Schmidt said, referring to information provided at the luncheon by Tyson community liaison Farusa Council." The article appeared on Nov. 13. Schmidt is Pru Schmidt, a member of the Human Relations Council.

Matt Zimmerman himself said, "What we're really talking about is taxes and services. What is the impact and who is paying for it?"

November 20, 2007 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Thank you blulite.....Whew!!!...I don't know how to do that...copy and paste on here.

This is good for all of us to read...catch up....before the big meetings.

OH..by the way...Have I mentioned WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 28th, White Auditorium...Little Theatre?????.....

and
THURSDAY, November 29th, at Emporia Country Club...12:30?????

Everyone is invited!

November 20, 2007 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Received word today of support from higher up the food chain than the city council.I was asked to be at the meeting,and refrain from boisterous remarks.Let's keep after all the "contacts",and the major media.They're beginning to listen.Refine the questions you have.Send them to every level of the government you can.Keep reading,learning and posting!!!!

November 20, 2007 at 7:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

renegade- email comin' yer way

November 20, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Admitted, I don't know the exact numbers of Somali's in Emporia right now and I don't know the exact number of job openings at Tyson. I do have some idea of both but that doesn't really matter. In my opinion, there are too many opportunities in so many larger cities that I don't feel we will ever get the huge population that has been reported. Several years back we too had the Bosnian's coming to Emporia to work at Tyson, they didn't stay. Large numbers of them were also anticipated but it never happened. I'm not saying don't worry about something that you can possibly deter, I'm saying, be smart in your decisions and make sure that they are based on fact rather than what 'might be expected'. Hopefully the questions of the majority will be answered at the meetings in the weeks to come and we will all be more informed on the issues at hand.

November 20, 2007 at 8:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

No leaning. I've been contacting everyone I could think of, including some GOP higher-ups I've contributed to over the years, but what I hear is not hopeful.

I do not see any viable, legal way to deflect this, other than to reject grant money (which I do not even remotely see happening here), or risk Tyson pulling out by demonstrating en masse around their property and getting national media attention, which may or may not be helpful.

In other words, I think the powers that be are going to let everyone vent, huff and puff, appear to give that viewpoint great consideration, and then steamroll over us, and all I'm saying is that perhaps we should prepare to suck it up, and deal with it.

--- Infinicat

November 20, 2007 at 9:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I don't who said that Emporia can't do any thing about the refugee resettlement center or the immigrants or refugees', because TYSON is too big and Emporia and our group of protestors is too small, boy I wonder what the founders, militia-men, the continental army and private civilians would think if they could hear such comments "too small", especially when they as a small group and country fought one of the worlds super powers of the time and won!
I for one am going to continue to fight against having a refugee resettlement center established in Emporia.

November 20, 2007 at 9:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Another town's take on the high cost-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21281062/
Myanmar refugees strain aid groups

November 20, 2007 at 10:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

I can accept something, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'd rather hear the hard truth, than some pussyfoot lies. If Tyson expects Emporia to help with the problems they bring on, is it too much to ask for full disclosure what benefits/incentives the refugees receive from them to work there? What tax breaks do they receive from the government for "importing" the refugees? Where's the policy book? Show me the loopholes so we can try to plug them up. Tyson is traded on the stock exchange, what's the law on disclosure there, if someone were to start digging?........ I don't know. I feel the Somalis here already will tell you they want to go back to Africa someday, only because that's what you WANT to hear. Why would they try so hard to get here, & turn around to go back to their 3rd world country after just a few years? No wonder some communities decided to be known as "unfriendly"..... backed into a corner, everybody will fight to survive, save their town. Inform us if you want us to play along. Otherwise "Bacon Necklaces" may become to fashion statement for Emporians. 'Bacon trees' at all the entrances to Emporia..........We just want honest, real answers. Who is REALLY pulling the strings from the top of this domino chain? Unfortunately, I'm afraid, Tyson's Greed is the only one you'll hear. Tangled web woven so tight........we'll never know. 'God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change....'

November 20, 2007 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

For the City bean-counters! http://www.spcnetwork.com/mii/2006/06...
060202 Closings May Trigger Tax Incentives Audit

The closed Norfolk and West Point plants were 40 some miles apart.All the production went about 60 miles away from them,to a waiting,ready expansion.But Tyson got big bucks in "job creation" breaks for the new expansion. They also took the incentives for the OLD plants they just closed.Nebraska doesn't like it.

November 20, 2007 at 11:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

infinicat, I say this in good humor, so please don't be TOO offended :) - but please promise me that if you are not currently a sports coach at any level, that you will promise to never, never coach a team.
I loved watching Boise State upset Oklahoma earlier this year in the Fiesta Bowl, and its been quite a ride watching top-5 ranked college football teams go down every week to unranked teams. David, you have absolutely no chance against Goliath if you think you have no chance.
I do understand your outlook, we all admit it is somewhat less than rosy, but we have already seen communities successfully fight this. Win or lose, I prefer to go down swinging, knowing I at least tried.
Ok, thats my rah-rah speech for tonight LOL

November 21, 2007 at 1:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

siamesefred (anonymous) says...

Infinicat said: "I have heard statements that could have come out of white supremacists, and many perfectly legitimate feelings of anxiety, the kind people have felt about any immigrant group throughout history."

I have to agree. When the comments are made that apply to an entire group of people based on a few encounters across the cultural divide, the ones making the comments sound like racist rednecks (remember the immigration forum that got out of hand).

When, however, the comments remained fixed on whether or not Emporia has the resources to absorb a large influx of new residents (no matter who those new residents are), then we look concerned and anxious with valid concerns.

It would behoove us to remember how we're seen outside Emporia on this issue: Redneck vs. concerned for our city's bottom line and our contribution to it.

November 21, 2007 at 5:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Quite honostly, I for one don't really care how I or Emporia is seen outside Emporia, because I for one am fed up and sick and tired of having a religious organization, corporation or certain individuals ram things down my throat which only serves to take money out of my pocket in the form of higher residential property taxes and then telling me (you), tough, take it and like it! PEOPLE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG, ITS TIME TO CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE. This refugee resettlement center is just another "ram it down their throat action" that has gone on in Emporia for more than 30 years and if this refugee resettlement center is established here, IT WILL MAKE YOUR ALREADY RIDICULOUSLY HIGH PROPERTY TAXES GO EVEN HIGHER, wake up people and pull your heads out of the sand.

November 21, 2007 at 7:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

KSFARMER: With regard to Tyson, you asked, "What tax breaks do they receive from the government for "importing" the refugees?"
It's called the Work Opportunity Tax Credit and Tyson gets it if they hire certain persons receiving social benefits.

http://www.doleta.gov/business/incent...

However, Bluelite dug up an article with regard to investigations regarding tax credits. This is gonna get VERY interesting. Methinks some big business types have been draining the big pool. Maybe now the alligators will appear. GOTCHA!

I like what you said here: "If Tyson expects Emporia to help with the problems they bring on, is it too much to ask for full disclosure what benefits/incentives the refugees receive from them to work there?"
Tyson is tight-lipped and closed so tight for comment that I fully doubt anyone representing them will be at the community meeting. I don't know that I'd trust anything they'd say after all this research some of us have been doing.

The other organization to point a finger to is Catholic Charities. They act like employment contractors. There's a money angle there. They get matching funds from the feds for every dollar or donation value they bring in. It's getting deeper. Need some alligators in that pool too. If the feds are matching, it's still our money.

Good comment, Siamese Fred. You made my day because I absolutely believe that our concern is based on valid reasoning.

Open_eyes, good rah-rah speech, coach. I'm with you on preferring to go down swinging. Nothing is impossible; it's in our heritage.

Now, in honor of those brave and hardy souls whose actions we celebrate tomorrow, and from whence we carve our heritage -- "And thus arrived at Cape Cod on December 11th...Blessed be the God of Heaven that has brought us over this vast ocean...we offer our humble thanks. Amen"

November 21, 2007 at 7:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

WOW, I have been reading these posts for a long time on the refugee problems and have to admit that I have actually read every one of them, BUT it seems like that I may have chosen the WRONG user-name to post on here, first after posting for the second time, I was referred to a deadbeat hillbilly (new Chief of Police), now I was going to make my first post here in support of you who want answers and to STOP the influx, BUT since Hillbilly and now redneck are words that Emporia would not want to be attached to , I will not continue, as I will not be put down just because of names that some find rude and or funny, or want to make fun of that I thought would be OK to use. I would think that a username would not be reason to not listen, hell, maybe you might learn a thing or two. Maybe the gazette would allow posters to change their user-name to satisfy some of you really perfect people, wow, just listen and read what you posted. and thanks for the warm welcome!!!! going back home for the Thankgiving holiday , will probably spend time with a hillbilly and some rednecks

November 21, 2007 at 9:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

What if ya want really cheap labor after you layoff all the subsidized labor you had in Norfolk? Make a call and they will pay for ALL of it!

* Employment Subsidy Program

The Employment Subsidy Program assists refugees who have experienced long-term difficulties with assimilation. The program increases rates of refugee employment and decreases rates of refugee welfare utilization by providing employment services to unemployed refugees and wage subsidies to employers who hire refugees. The program assists refugees who have experienced long-term difficulties, or who are likely to experience long-term difficulties, in assimilating into American communities with positive workforce experiences. These grants provide opportunities for subsidized and unsubsidized job placements that will lead to permanent employment and economic self-sufficiency.

Refugees eligible to participate in projects funded under this announcement must be at least 18 years of age and must not be enrolled in school on a full-time basis. Refugee participants must be unemployed, without earned income, employed part-time, or members of families receiving public assistance. Refugees are eligible to participate in this project if they have resided in the U.S. for a minimum of one year and have been residents of their communities for a minimum of three months. Refugees must demonstrate that they have exhausted other types and sources of employment services and that they are continuing to experience long-term unemployment to participate in a project.

Through written contractual agreements, grantees may use funds to reimburse employers for up to 100 percent of the employment wage (including fringe benefits), for a maximum of nine months. In exchange for the salary subsidy, the employer agrees to provide the refugee employee additional supervisory assistance in learning the job and to retain the refugee employee in this position after the wage subsidy has ended. If insufficient funds are available to continue the position, the employer agrees to assist the refugee employee in securing other employment.

November 21, 2007 at 10:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Hey Hillbilly...I'm not a "renegade" either....
I do believe there are some Blue Coller Guys that are making a lot of money off the Hillybilly and Redneck humor.

Give us all another chance please....We're all a little stressed....and, maybe we need some fun and relaxation, and good food, for a couple of days....and, we'll come back friendlier, but, ready to fight, ....just not each other.

Happy Thanksgiving Hillbilly....and if you're traveling...be safe.

November 21, 2007 at 10:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Sorry Blulite....I meant to post right after Hillbilly....Thanks for your information....I keep interrupting. :-(

November 21, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Welcome Hillbilly.A lot us here are rednecks, hillbillies, renegades, in-laws, out-laws- you name it! We've fought for it,against it,and in spite it!

November 21, 2007 at 10:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Sorry about the long post earlier-it looked a lot shorter on the reve-noor's website! Have a good one,everybody - I gotta start cookin' for tomorrow!

November 21, 2007 at 11:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Hey hillbilly, I'm from Honolulu, and that makes me from the southernmost, westernmost state. Go look at your map. What do you think of that? Calm down, Baby. What did you say about the chief of police? I didn't quite catch what you meant there. And hang in there. Don't be running off. You should see when it really gets ugly.

November 21, 2007 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Hey Blulite, do you have some documentation for that subsidy program info.? I'd like to save it. Thanks.

November 21, 2007 at 11:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Renegade - In my defense, I have read all the articles that have been posted on the Gazette and all the posts that are here. I did read the sentence where Weitkamp stated that he had been approached by Tyson BUT.......knowing that Tyson has over 200 facilities in 30 states and 15 countries, I did not 'assume' that all or any of these new refugees from Burma were slated to come to Emporia. I did not mean to say you were starting rumors, only maybe making assumptions or reading more into some statements than is actually there.

November 21, 2007 at 12:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

create-That subsidy program is located here-

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/d...
Office Of Refugee Resettlement: Data

Here is the program-

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/d...
Employment Subsidy Program

November 21, 2007 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Great job of bird dogging, Blulite! Thank you. Now I gotta go cook too. Was kinda hoping Hillbilly would come back so we could offer him a beer or something.

November 21, 2007 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

thanks for all of the replies, I will keep reading, and good luck stopping those who want to completely ruin Emporia, and cause pain and suffering to the citizens of Emporia and Lyon county, damn this weather sucks, glad I dont have to drive Emporia today.............................

November 21, 2007 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Been_there....You seemed to know what was going on in the schools, so I was asking if you had heard about refugees from Burma....
Mr. Weitcamp was talking about the Refugee Center being in Emporia ...and, when he said Tyson had contacted him in reference to Refugees from Burma coming to "our area".....I could only assume it was Emporia.

Unfortunately, I am making assumptions, and, I now have the attitude that we need to question everything, and assume the worst, until we are proven otherwise.

It seems to me that if someone had asked questions about the original influx of Somali's, done more research, ...(and, advised the community of what was really going on).....we might not be where we are today.
So, I'm going to keep assuming that there are many more Refugees, and probably some from Burma, coming to Emporia......If, they don't come here.... well, I'll be suprised.......
I like Suprises...as long as they're pleasant!

I do appreciate your in-put, Been_there.....I could have used your Screen Name too, becasue I have "been_there" , as well.....I watched Refugees take over parts of Southern California....and, it happened pretty much like it is in Emporia....First a few...then more..... ( I refer to Refugees, and LIES).
There's a small city in Southern California that had this happen to them....and now, when you drive down the Freeway, you see a big sign that says......"Little Saigon"..... The people in that small community didn't think it would happen to them either.

November 21, 2007 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly, Since you aren't driving today...Create is offering you a Beer...Enjoy! and, Welcome back!

Now I am OFF TOPIC...I need to take my own advice.

November 21, 2007 at 1:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

minorityinemporia (anonymous) says...

Tyson has asked for some but , they have yet to arrive , maybe in 4-6 weeks and I heard there will only be 100-200 of them !

November 21, 2007 at 2:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Okay Renegade - I do agree with you on some points but since I know you are new to town, when the original group of less than 100 Somali's came here from Nebraska, Tyson did hold several informative meetings with members of the community. No, it was not an open forum but........it did include members of the Chamber of Commerce, the School District, the City Manager, members of the Hospital and Health Department, the Police and Fire Departments and some others I know I'm missing.

The only reason I knew about the School District is because I picked up the phone and called the Board of Ed office. They were quite friendly and open with their information.

As far as the Burma refugees coming to Emporia. Everyone I have talked to has assured me that at this time, there are no plans to bring any here. That doesn't mean that won't change in the future. Tyson can only hire so many people and if there are no other jobs in this area for refugees to work, I can't imagine the idea of the Refugee Center will become a reality. As I said before, there is just not enough in Emporia to support them.

November 21, 2007 at 3:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

minorityinemporia...Are you talking about Refugees from Burma? ONLY 100-200?

and, when is the '2nd influx' of the Burma Refugees due? They too have families that they will want to be reunited with, just as the Somali Refugees.

My point, exactly!!!....If you mean 100-200 Refugees from Burma...then, no one has been talking about them..These are in addition to the new influx of 3-400 more Somali Refugees?

It's always "only" a few more...a few hundred at a time.....Or, just a rumor...or an assumption....or, we are over-reacting., and more rheteric........No figures are consistent!!

If our Leaders knew about the Refugees from Burma, and, didn't tell us...then shame on them!..Because, Lying by Ommission...is still big time LYING!...jmo

November 21, 2007 at 3:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Been_There....While we are posting...minorityinemporia, I believe, has just informed us that in 4-6 weeks there will be 100-200 Burma Refugees.
I hope I misunderstood him.

Because, he is making my case easier .....

For the first group of 100 Refugees from Nebraska, Tyson held a meeting with the Chamber of Commerce....City Manager- (the former one?)... the Hospital and Health Dept.....
It was not an open FORUM?...and, how was the rest of the community notified?

We know there are somewhere between 750 and 1000 Refugees here now., with another influx coming in......When was the community actually notified and asked for their opinion?.

You're right Been_there...I am new to Emporia....so, there is a lot I probably don't know. But, when I ask the City Manager, and some of the Commissioners, if they can tell me what happened,and they say, to my face, that they "don't know"....and they are as shocked as I am.....How can you tell me that the people of Emporia haven't been deceived?

You were treated well, when you called the School District for information? Well.... good, Been_there.

That sort of sounds like another version of "Don't ask, Don't Tell"...in our City Government and Tyson.......Don't ask about the Refugees, and we won't tell you!

November 21, 2007 at 3:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

A lot of rumors about free cars,etc.Truth is a car is only half free for a refugee.If they open an Individual Development Account-the funds are matched.So the cost of a home,car,PC,etc. is subsidized by the US government.From the Office of Refugee Resettlement-

From the beginning of the program in FY 1999 through September 30, 2005, 19,065 participants opened accounts. They had the following asset purchase goals: vehicle, 58 percent; home, 19 percent; post-secondary education, 8 percent; computers, 7 percent; and microenterprise, 7 percent. Participants who completed the program saved $27 million, which was matched by $46.1 million.

November 21, 2007 at 5:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Gosh,if I was in real estate,or an auto dealer in the City Of Emporia - I'd really keep that as quiet as possible. sh...don't rock th' boat....

November 21, 2007 at 5:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Lots of good digging, Blulite. But lots of folks don't want us to know this stuff. We should be furious!

November 21, 2007 at 7:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Yes I did read what Minority posted but I also do not know where they got their information. Too many opinions and assumptions have been made solely on speculation. Is Minority a member of Catholic Services, a Tyson Rep or a refugee from Burma? I cannot base my opinion wholly on what someone heard, unless it is firsthand from someone directly involved.

I also read that Tyson wages are somewhere between $7 and $10 per hour, which I know is not true. In fact, if you call out there they will tell you that starting wages are $11.65 to $11.75 with a possibility to make over $15 an hour or over $17 in Maintenance.

‘The people of Emporia have been deceived’. Please remember that the people that work at Tyson are also the people of Emporia, about 10% of the population. They are not the ones making the decisions about who comes and goes in Emporia. Tyson headquarters may have any idea of what they are going to bring in but I seriously doubt the managers of Tyson in Emporia know anymore than you or I until they got the phone call that this is the way it’s going to be!

I think everyone on this forum is on the right track…..Ask the questions!!!!! Hopefully we will get the answers but as many have pointed out, WHAT is the truth? and WHO can we believe? So many links on what the government is doing to AID the refugees. In my opinion, this fight is bigger than a Refugee Settlement Center in Emporia. I do think we need to continue to be vocal until someone up the food chain hears us. These are our tax dollars that are going to the benefit of others that may or may not deserve it, I for one am SICK of THAT!! Whether it be a refugee or a citizen of the United States, WE, as the people of the US need to stand up and let our elected officials know that enough is enough!!! If they don’t want to listen, then we need to elect officials that will.

November 21, 2007 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Speaking of maintenance, I have heard that a large chunk of the maintenance at least on slaughter side have quit within the last year, and Tyson is or is going to "outsource" the maintenance to a 3rd party. Anyone have any info on that? Also my question awhile ago about how many USDA inspectors on the kill floor now..... just questions, anyone that ISN'T a Tyson rep I'll give some credence to your answer :)

November 21, 2007 at 9:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

A note of caution with the talk about Federal subsidization of refugees: This actually enhances the potential positive economic impact, diverting taxpayer money in our direction.

--- Infinicat

November 21, 2007 at 9:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I think the "our direction", that the federal money is being redirected to is mostly the refugees, not you and I, at least not tangible benefits that affect me. Only if I'm a car dealer.... :) What is "ours" IS the taxpayer money funding all of this.....

November 21, 2007 at 9:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

What prominent decision making auto dealers,real estate brokers,and secondary educators would tend to profit from this "artificial bubble"of federal money? What company gets cheap,sometimes free labor? Plus tax breaks? Then this side of it-Will rents and home prices(also,then taxes) increase and price area residents out of a home? Will lower income residents be priced out of a basic car? Will wages be depressed further in the area? Can you afford teachers and law enforcement that will have to deal with 39 languages? The federal subsidies are a poison pill.

November 21, 2007 at 10:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Don't know anything about the number of USDA inspectors on the Kill floor but I did talk to a guy today that said he had never seen so many new and newly rehired Maintenance men in the Maintenance classroom before. Again, I'm assuming that means that they are still hiring local applicants. Don't take it as the Gospel but I do trust my source.

November 21, 2007 at 10:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Thanks been_there, I've heard they've had quite a turnover. I've also heard talk about turning maintenance over to an outside company (outsourcing) but don't know if that was just even an idea Tyson was kicking around or not. You made one statement that raised my eyebrow, however - "newly rehired?" I thought Tyson didn't do rehires.... maybe that does not apply to maintenance???

November 21, 2007 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

open_eyes and been_there- Heard quite while back that Dolly hired away some long time maint. people from there.Worked them on the project crew,then laid them off.Could be Tyson needs 'em back pretty bad.

November 22, 2007 at 1 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Then you hear about something like the following story.Like we need more of this.Aren't we already out in the world hunting people like him down?
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu56_XER...
Local Director Receives Grants Despite Charges - I-Team News Story ...

November 22, 2007 at 3:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Good morning everyone and a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
I hope everyone that supports the refugee resettlement center read last nights Emporia Gazette, Nov. 21, 2007, in particular the FEDERAL LAW GOVERNS AID TO REFUGEES article by BOBBI MYLNAR and you will learn that Refugees, no matter where they come from, do and will receive the following taxpayer funded SOCIAL SERVICES free of charge to them, 1. SSI ( supplemental security Income), 2. Medicade(non-emegerncy care) 3. Temorary Aid for Needy Families 4. Food stamps. These refugees' are elegible for these services for from five years to 7 years after their entry into this country.
bluelitespecial:
You missunderstand the meaning of the word Subsidize, subsidize means to help someone by means of monitary assistance, etc. Wouldn't you like to be able to buy a new or newer used car for half the asking price and have help in making your rent or house payment. I know I would!
The sad thing is that these corporations that subsidize the cars and housing of the refugees or immigrants do not lose any money because they are given money from taxpayer funded government agencies and grants to give subsidies to refugees just like they are re-embersed for the wages that they pay refugees with taxpayer funds.

November 22, 2007 at 8:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Open_Eyes, Again I think the rumor of Tyson's NO REHIRE policy is just that. I'm sure they have certain criteria that they follow for hiring anyone, rehire or not. I do know several people that have worked there more than once, and some of have been rehired just recently. Leads me to believe that the people saying they have this policy are people that were unable to get rehired. Not knowing their policy I would assume that someone who left on bad terms such as theft or harassment or fighting would probably not be someone that I would want to rehire if I ran a business. This is just my opinion. I'm sure there are several factors involved when an employer is looking at potential hires and if we don't know the whole story then it's not fair to assume the hiring practice is unfair.

November 22, 2007 at 8:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

been_there (anonymous) says...

Meant to say some of them have been rehired just recently. Too much smoke in the kitchen I guess! Better get back to cooking, Have a great Thanksgiving all!!

November 22, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Everybody, if you haven't already seen the video or read the story referred by blulite special's last post above, go there. Click on it and watch the video. What an incredible story of what is going on with our tax money with regard to the somali population of that city. I'm busy cooking, but I took a few minutes to watch the video. It will blow your mind! This is incredible and I think of all of us fighting our hearts out to get some genuine answers. I'm starting to have my doubts about the answers we are going to be getting. Sure don't want to see a gloss over.

Methusla, Thanksgiving greetings to you too. By the way, some of us have been providing very good links to the same information you are discussing about cars and grants, etc. Do you remember the story about the Catholic Church in Nebraska being forced by the state to get a used car license because their church parking lot was so full of used cars that had been donated? All the church has to do is report the value of the car and it is DOUBLED by a federal grant. Then the refugee gets a car to boot and pays a small amount for it. Remember all this when Stephen Weitkamp from Catholic Charities is there answering questions. I understand, by the way, that it will be a panel type set up.

November 22, 2007 at 9:59 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I second that, create. I read the story but had not watched the video, even though alot of it was repeating the storyline it really makes an impact on video. Again, I urge all to watch the video.... good find, blulite - posted here again:

http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/13224577/de...

November 22, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla- I was kind of lumping together the federal subsidies,corporate tax incentives,and federal benefits paid into a blanket statement.I was still cookin' at 4am,so don't come on me too hard! haha! Anyway,just in case this all goes thru,I 'd like to suggest a marketing slogan for the new city image and tourism campaign- " Emporia! - Powered by Welfare !!! "

November 22, 2007 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TALLEN (anonymous) says...

Methusla - you are correct about welfare eligibility. They are eligible for any and all assitance programs at all levels - Federal, state, local.

One mistake you made: "These refugees' are elegible for these services for from five years to 7 years after their entry into this country."
Wrong: all they have to do is become citizens and the eligibility is for life. For instance, most of those refugees who get on SSI (cash welfare for 65 and over or 'disabled'), start receiving SSI, Medicaid, food stamps within a month or 2 of arrival and stay on for life. And with a little effort, they get lifetime public housing, heating assistance, etc, etc

November 22, 2007 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I am sorry bluelitespecial, if I sounded like I was coming down on you hard, but I assure you I was not, as I told renegade in a phone conversation with her the other day, sometimes I cannot contain my exhuberance in having so many people in Emporia who finally have enough gumption to stand up and fight against something that is not going to benefit Emporia, economically or tax-wise, except those who will benefit from this, such as corporations and businesses, I have lived in Emporia for 65 years now and have been fighting the few individuals, church organizations both local not local and corporations that seem to know what's good for Emporia and have been forcing the majority of Emporia taxpayers to accept what they do, like it or not, or wheather it will benefit all Emporians or not.

November 22, 2007 at 2:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

bluelitespecial;
I visited the site you posted and quite frankly was not suprised by the events depicted in the video. Let me say that with the open boarder revolving door refugee, immigration policy that the wealthy corporations and their stockholders have paid to impliment, with little or no checks and controls on refugees and immigrants into the country, WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO SPEND BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR A HOMELAND SECURITY AGENCY that is either inept or just plain doesn't care as long as the taxpayer money keeps flowing in.
Also does anyone remember what happend to American troops that were sent to MOGADISHU SOMALIA in 1984 to help the people of MOGADISHU get rid of some warords that were killing their own people, well I remember it well.
Now I wonder how many of these so called SOMALI refugees may be some of the very same people who participated in the killing of us troops who were sent there to help them or possibly may be decendents of the people who killed U.S. troops who were there on a mission of mercy. I also wonder if any of the SOMALI refugees that are already here or are about to come here are members of Al-Queda! Be vigilant people there may already terrorists among us and more may be on the way.
Now I know some one is going to say that I am picking on the SOMALIS' and may be a racist, let me add before someone goes off in the racist direction by saying that what I said above about the SOMALIANS applies equally to any immigrant or refugee who comes in the country basically unchecked, anyone has the potential to be a terrorist. We are living in volitale, uncertain and trying times. Could this possible be the beginning of END OF DAYS!.

November 22, 2007 at 3:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

somali (anonymous) says...

From Mogadishu to Emporia, Emporia is going to be Refugee Centre
Above Topics was hot to Emporia Residents last few months, and it is still going on, first of all Somalis in the United States are not illegal refugee, as long as they have permission to stay that country, they can move where they want when they want Somali people are hard working people and I know those of you who worrying about Somali refugees you know nothing about Somali culture, Open eyes and others asked me about how Somali Culture and how we threat women.
Open Eyes
If you want know more about Somali Culture you can find the true stories of Somali people, my culture Respects all culture and religions
a) in our culture People are not things, and everyone has a right to be treated with dignity. We certainly have no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem, but we treat everyone with respect, regardless of who they are and what they have done. We have a responsibility to be the best we can be in all situations, even when dealing with unpleasant people, like those who abusing Somalis in this forum.

Lies is every where, someone earlier posted this forum a link about Somali lady who change her religion, so many people here are happy to see all of us the same, if that is the case, it is not going to happen soon.

November 22, 2007 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Somali, when are you going to understand that most of us are NOT upset with the Somali people themselves? That has been said over and over and over again in this forum. Why is it that you don't hear that? In fact, I myself believe that Tyson is taking advantage of your people by not paying you a fair wage and expecting you to be taking food stamps and other forms of Welfare. I have even called it modern slavery. Don't you understand?

No one is expecting Somali people to change their religion, so quit saying that. You are putting your own words in our mouths.

You claim to treat everyone with respect, but many people have had negative experiences. You can't just make blanket statements like that. For example, I have friends who work inWal Mart and they are upset because Somali people open cartons of milk and taste the milk then put it back in the refrigerator case; they taste fruit and put it back on the shelf; they open packages of meat to smell it. People get upset when they see that. Wal Mart employees are receiving many, many complaints from other customers who see this, but they can't do anything. What do you have to say about that? First of all it's a great waste involved. We Kansans don't like waste. The problem with all of this is that by doing all these things, the Somali people are bringing dislike upon themselves.

How many of your people are claiming workman's compensation for injuries received at Tyson? It's your right, yes, but tell me, how many?

You want to know what I really think? By looking at your syntax, and how it occasionally breaks, I think you are someone who really does speak and write English well, but you are trying to disguise yourself. Not too respectful there.

November 22, 2007 at 6:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla-Thanks! Sorry if I was unclear.I was just soundin' off at 4am!

November 22, 2007 at 6:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Create;
I agree with your comment 100%, and I believe that no matter the nationality, color or culture, I believe that most people would be suprised to learn that most immigrants and refugees that come to this country can understand, read and speak English very well, but are using the I can't understan English ploy to gain sympathy from the American people, I say if a person is going to move to a country, it doesn't make any difference what country, and take advantage of that countrys' Social Services programs and take jobs away from that country's citizens, they should at least have a working knowledge of that countrys' language, culture, religion and laws. Not the other way around, require the country and its citizens be forced to accommodate the refugee or immigrant by learning their foreign language, culture, customs, religion and laws, which seems to be what is happening in the U.S., even as we speak.
Also somali; respect has to be earned!, it is not just given freely and since you and your people are coming to this country and taking money out of legitimate taxpayers pockets and taking away jobs that American Citizens can have, how do you expect to gain any respect from the American people or some Emporians. Further-more I for one did not invite you here, you do not have my permission to be here and as far as I am concerned TYSON and my own GOVERNMENT, Federal, State, County, and the Catholic Community Charites just bent me over and sc-- -- wed me royally and my hind-end is getting sore from it. Therefore I am not only disgusted and angry at the SOMALIS for being here but I am also disgusted and angry at about the sneaky way this all came about.

November 22, 2007 at 7:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

somali (anonymous) says...

Create
Be sure you have adequate information to support an intelligent choice. You can’t make good decisions if you don’t know the facts, the stories you have is not a fact I think is baseless and lies, it is same story as methusla posted today he wrote US Soldiers were sent to Somalia in 1984.
To determine the facts, first resolve what you know and, then, what you need to know. Be prepared to get additional information and to verify you’re assumptions and other uncertain information.
You have to be more careful about you’re source, remember that assumptions, gossip and hearsay are not the same as facts, check reliability and credibility of the people providing you the stories. Finally, evaluate the information you have in terms of completeness and reliability so you have a sense of the certainty and fallibility of your decisions.
For the Somalis in you’re country as far I as know they are a part of the community and good citizens they knows the laws of the country and obeys it. For those of you who still abusing Somali people, I am Somalian and I respect every human being culture and religion, if you hate Somalis because af their religion or race it is you’re problem

November 22, 2007 at 7:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

Thank you "been_there" – (see Nov 21 8:00 p.m- last statement). The keyword is "elect." It is a pretty sad state of affairs when we are fortunate to live in this great country and only a small minority takes the time to vote. We have been our own worst enemy but we do not have to continue down that path or the path we are being led. We can join together as one united nation. We are country of compassion and giving but since obviously there is no accountability taking place of our hard earned dollars we just may have to control it by really knowing who and what you are donating to. Most of the very bad things going on in our country today have come about because of “big money" and greedy, selfish, evil people. Our government must believe that there is no end to their money tree. When we reach the point (and I am sure there are many who are there now) where we cannot pay taxes………..they cannot waste it.

I might add that I feel that Senator Brownback can easily explain the manner in which this refugee center was presented to the citizens of Emporia and the surrounding communities in such a disrespectful, unprofessional and I might add “cowardly” way. He appears from what I have researched to be the "go to" man here. You need to read the whole article because if (I repeat “if”) there is any truth here there was a "little flip flopping" that went on. And I am sure he would will want to clarify what this was about to the good people of Kansas who trusted and elected him. http://www.vdare.com/allen/brownback.htm

November 22, 2007 at 8:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

when are you guys going to see thru somila for what he, it is , ,,,,,NO, somali, I DO NOT BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU SAY AND YOU ARE A PHONY, what is your game??? dont like what I just said about you, then you can kiss my hillbilly a$$, and yes dont hate solomians but dont want you to try to make me think you are one,

November 22, 2007 at 8:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Sen.Brownback may not be any help.He's too beholding to the -NO- Bought and paid for by the religious moneychangers that run this show.He got their support for elections and the presidential bid,and now they own him.He no longer represents the best interest of Kansas or America.

November 22, 2007 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Does anyone find it odd that the last 2 or 3 posts from "somali" have been in almost perfect English and not the broken pigeon English of his or her posts at the beginning of this forum, Hmmmmmm maybe hillbilly either knows something or may be onto something or possibly I am right in saying that most refugees and immigrants can understand and speak English better than everyone thinks and are just trying to gain our sympathy, in either case, as I said before, PEOPLE BE VERY WARY AND VIGILANT.
On the other-hand maybe "somali" is an extremely fast learner, but as I understand it English is the one of the hardest languages in the world to learn.

November 22, 2007 at 10:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

The various problems we've talked about don't stop at the city limits.Lyon County needs to weigh in.

November 22, 2007 at 10:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I think you and Hillbilly are on to 'em,methusla!

November 22, 2007 at 10:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Oh and by the way "somali", if thats what you are, you only quoted part of my post about U.S. soldiers going to Somalia in 1984, you conviently left out the fact that U.S. soldiers were sent to Somalia at the request of Somalians asking for help to quell the killing and ethnic cleansing taking place in your own country by your own countrymen and the U.S. soldiers that were killed in Mogadishu by your own countrymen were there on a mission of mercy, trying to keep Somalians from being killed by Somalians.

November 22, 2007 at 10:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Boy some of the posts by "somali" have really got me going and while I am on a role.
Does any-one know what happend to the Somalian that stabbed another Somalian on east street? I have not seen or heard anything about an arrest, charges being filed or a trial, this incident just seems to have disappeared or have I been in a time warp of some kind and just missed the arrest, charges and trial. I figured some-one would at least be charged with "Assault with a deadly weapon".

November 22, 2007 at 10:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

somali;

I appologize for not stating the correct year that the battle for MOGADISHU took place, I will correct that here and now, the battle that U.S. soldiers were killed in took place on October 3rd and 4th 1993, but the other facts in my quote were and are correct.Thank you for bringing that error to my attention.

November 22, 2007 at 11:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

At the risk of veering off-topic, there was nothing humanitarian about what took place in Somalia in 1993. We were there at the request of Conoco, Amoco, Chevron and Phillips. US HQ for operations were located in Conoco offices. It was an open secret that we were there to 'liberate' the pathway for exploration and a possible pipeline route.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.ph...

BTW, if anyone stabbed someone else, there is a police report. It is a public document, and thus should be easy to access. If there isn't a police report, it's a rumor.

Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving!

--- Infinicat

November 23, 2007 at 6:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

Create:

Your confusing us your post says:

"Somali, when are you going to understand that most of us are NOT upset with the Somali people themselves?"

then a few sentences later:

"I have friends who work inWal Mart and they are upset because Somali people open cartons of milk and taste the milk then put it back in the refrigerator case; they taste fruit and put it back on the shelf; they open packages of meat to smell it. People get upset when they see that. "

Please explain.......

and if people are not upset at the Somalians the why is it post after post about their driving, their values, their customs, their rudeness? and their part in killing soldiers in Mogadishu?

November 23, 2007 at 8:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Truth be Told has a point. Beneath the polite veneer of socio-economic impact facts & figs, there is a clear, darker undercurrent consistently being voiced on this forum, and far more emphatically in hushed tones in conversation around this town.

One could go back through all the posts and pick scores of quotes, but the point is clear: They are not like us, and this troubles many people, which is normal for a resident population facing an influx of foreigners. Casting them as crazies, uncivilized savages, unable to fit in, etc. is darkside stuff. Let's stay calm and not succumb to our xenophobic fears.

Be Kind Out There,

--- Infinicat

November 23, 2007 at 8:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Good "Black Friday" morning everyone. (and Happy Shopping!)...... I hope you all had a nice Thanksgiving...

Now back to business... :-)

REMINDER!!!!!!

On Wednesday...(WEDNESDAY)...November 28 at 7:00 PM..we have a meeting in White Auditorium, Little Theatre.

I hope you all have this on your calendars...and if you can't be there..Please, ask someone to represent our Community at this meeting. We need as many as possible, to show our support, for each other.

I see that we don't have a Facilitator for the meeting. That sounds like we are going to "listen" and, if there's any time left over we will be allowed to ask some questions. So, it's important that we think about at least ONE important question, each, to ask, if we are called on.

I have a business background, and I had a Boss once, that wouldn't even listen to us complain, unless we came with some suggestion for a solution to the problem,....
so, be thinking of that too, please.....

There are a lot of issues (problems) in Emporia....and, if you could only ask
ONE question, about ONE Problem......what would it be?... and what would your suggestion be for a Solution? Keep in mind, this meeting is about the Refugees, and Tyson.

Another "suggestion" from me :-) ......make your question, clear and concise, please.....Maybe write your question down, and read it....It's only fair to everyone that wants to speak...
I'm not lecturing....really....but, we have serious issues, in Emporia...and we are only going to have a small window of opportunity to air our concerns.
Your, possible, turn to speak on Wednesday night, is important to all Emporians....

We will probably hear the Political rhetoric,and we will listen,
but we want them to hear the "communities" questions, and suggestions for solutions, as well. (Hopefully, they too, will listen).

BTW...I will be interrupting, and giving you all these "gentle" reminders every day this week.....:-)

The same reminder will go for Thursday, at the Emporia Country Club, at 12:30 with Congressman Moran.

If I sound like I'm "nagging"....sorry :-( ...It's my Job....LOL

November 23, 2007 at 9:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

TruthBeTold: You're right, it does sound like I am flip-flopping. My fault for not adding a sentence or two to explain. However, by offering anecdotal evidence by those I know at Walmart, I was merely trying to give an explanation as to why Somali people seem to be causing their own disfavor among many members of the community. Would it make you feel better if I just cave in and not offer anything at all? To be one of the silent ones who BS everybody?

I still stand behind my stance that is wholly relative to the socioeconomic problem that a large influx of refugees will produce. And it wouldn't matter who the refugees were, Africans, Europeans, Asians, or people from Greenland. I have said that over and over, yet people keep accusing me of racism. It's the easiest thing to do.

No veneer from this poster. I come from Hawaii, the most cosmopolitan area of the world, and I myself was a newcomer to this town in 1975. Imagine my cultural shock! I was constantly being asked, "How do you like living in the states?" Everywhere I was invited, people kept offering me pineapple and coconut to make me feel at home. Jeez! One woman offered me "something I'll bet you've never tasted before, dear." SHE OFFERED ME ICE CREAM!

I thought people here were incredibly stupid. I'd never been so patronized in my life, and I wanted to move away. I felt like I was stuck here because of my husband's military post. It took awhile for Emporia to become true home to me, and for me to realize that there weren't that many "incredibly stupid people" here after all.

I don't like to judge people like I was judged at one time. So don't put me into your little boxes; I don't fit! And as for Somali, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who has seen through his/her "veneer" of perfect English/pidgin English. What a bunch of crap!

November 23, 2007 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create;

Even our own Federal Government, City and County Government and the Catholic Community Services evidently think us poor old Emporia Kansas hillbillys, Farmers, etc are pretty stupid to try and sneak such a thing as a refugee resettlement center past us and not expect someone to catch them doing it !
Also I have a gut feeling that "somali" is in reality Fardusa Council , I don't know wheather all of you will agree or not, but I for one believe that is who "somali" is.
And if I have offended any one with my posts I appologize, its just that I am getting so tired of people and organizations ramming things down my (our) throats over the years, especially those things which do not and will not benefit all of the citizens of Emporia, I have been fighting the powers that are in Emporia for the last 40 years.

November 23, 2007 at 3:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Also here are some interesting sites you might want to visit:
www.infoplease.com/ipa/A010797.html
www.migrationinformation.org/Refugees/
www.officeofimmigrationstatistics.com
www.refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpres...
www.au.org
www.usage.org
www.cis.org
www.DHS.gov/xingtn/statistics
I will try and find and post more informative sites.

November 23, 2007 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I am sorry, I would like to correct the the www.usage.org site that I posted above the correct site is,
www.usagc.org/index2.aspx?afk=tcnewco...

SORRY!

November 23, 2007 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

I wonder if the ERRA is aware of this little tidbit:

"I would suggest that the more gateway cities we develop within the US, the more chance we will also begin to find enclaves where Islamic Jurisprudence (sharia) is practiced, not local, state, or national law. I would suggest this will not bode well for the nation, IF ALLOWED."

You can find the rest of it on...

http://www.refugeeresettlementwatch.w......

November 23, 2007 at 5:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

That should be www.refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.c

November 23, 2007 at 5:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ChuckNorris (anonymous) says...

You know I have been to refugee camps around the world and you know what, I don't want to live anywhere near one. Think about the current job situation; we don't have enough jobs for people right now, if we get more people and they don't have jobs our crime levels go way up. Where are we then? At a loss? Well we are are not where we want to be, the "skinnies" are not the type of people i want my family or myself around, it puts me in a bad place Emporia is my home, and has been for a long time, throughout my trips to Iraq or Kuwait. This is not what I want for me or any other American. Yes i know we are all immigrants of some form however, our families all worked hard to make this country and town what it is. Why should we all lay down and let these people who wont add anything take advantage of us?
I for one will not stand for it and am not afraid of confrontation, they will not walk all over me or my family.

November 23, 2007 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Here is another site to go to find out how certain churches and religious organizations have been trying to or are influencing government policy directly, out in the open and not behind the scenes at least since 1999, or earlier, (some information here says definately since 1951).
www.USCCB.org, then click on church documents, then click on Bishops Testimony Before Senate Judiciary Comittee On Immigration, dated Aug. 1999.
This was an eye-opener for me. I now don't know which is the bigger evil and threat to me, (us), our government, federal, state, county, local or the certain churches and their organizations, the refugees being brought here at the request of certain churches and their organizations, the terrorists both inside the U.S. and outside the U.S.!
All I know is, that whatever happens I now believe that higher residental property taxes are a DEFINATE HAPPENING.

November 23, 2007 at 8:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

The big cities are at the bursting point with illegals and refugees.So Brownback and Roberts were told the refugees would be in smaller towns of 25,000 to 150,000.They were told,and they must go along.You have seen what happens to the budget of these smaller towns.It will happen here,too.The County has a greater deal of control of taxes,and law enforcement.They must be as involved in this discussion as the City is.At this time they are both reacting out of faked surprise.So far,that don't cut th' mustard!

November 23, 2007 at 10:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Here is something that may be of interest to some of you about some of the problems that refugee resettlement causes in cities like St. Paul.
Go to the site listed below and click on NOVEMBER 2007 read about the problems this city is having with refugees.

www.refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpres...

November 23, 2007 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

These refugee settlements are the way for corporations to continue to bring refugees, er... legal, low cost labor, in around the fence at the border.

All under the guise, ironically, of "humanitarian mission". Methinks we're getting globalized, to put it politely. The problem is not the refugees, who are naturally looking for better lives, but the machinery ramming them down our throats for corporate and church gains.

--- Infinicat

November 23, 2007 at 11:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

infinicat;

You really need go to the USCCB sight I listed above and follow the directions I outlined above and you may find out for yourself who the BIG PARDNER of the corporations is or who may really be behind the push to bring refugees into the country.

November 24, 2007 at 12:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

There's a personal message for Emporia on this web site:

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 24, 2007 at 5:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Infinicat, would you say part of the machinery you refer to is the ERRA? That's got to be somebody's brainchild in this town. We still haven't seen the grant yet, but the $104 thousand has sure been announced. Somebody signed on the dotted line. Who is allowing these poor African people to be taken advantage of by Big Business in the first place? Some local patron of humanity? And show me the line item budget so I can see who got the first check! "Let's stay calm" indeed. So what? So we can all keep our mouths shut while we get shafted?

November 24, 2007 at 5:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Methusla - I don't think that you can pin all of this on one person, nor that politicizing it so that you implicate one party is productive --- or true. For example, here's a great letter from a Congressman on the topic, perhaps a good man's office to contact?

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/b...

create -- It is obvious that there were feelers and contacts tacitly made long before anyone headed here.

The "Let's Stay Calm" statement is to prevent missteps, inflammatory/partisan statements, mobby shouting/finger pointing, racist-sounding or demeaning comments and rumors. The credibility of a small town could be easily squandered. This is more like chess than rugby, that is all I meant.

Emporia does not want to give substance to the stereotypes already mentioned.

There's two things at play here. One, the idea of turning back the Refugee Center designation altogether. Second, strategizing our options if the former isn't doable, and in my opinion, energies ought to be devoted to both simultaneously, because they both loom as possibilities.

It would be interesting to find out how the Amish stopped this from happening in their community. Perhaps networking with other communities (and pooling resources/ideas/press releases) might prove more productive than going at this alone. The problem is staying below the national radar because each of dozens of small towns is dealing with this alone. The parties involved are counting on this to remain the status quo to steamroll over each community.

In an election year, the forces behind this settlement program have done an expert job in keeping this on the QT. Out of sight means out of mind.

United, with national media attention, every community involved would stand a much better chance of at least being dealt with fairly. This is not an "Emporia" problem, but a national one.

On the other hand, it is advisable to consider that entities like Tyson could pull out of the community, and the resulting impact. There's a lot of plates in the air with a thing like this.

--- Infinicat

November 24, 2007 at 8:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/index.htm

November 24, 2007 at 10:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/c...

November 24, 2007 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Infinicat, haven't you been reading all the posts since the beginning? Of the many other communities that have weighed in with advice and help? Of all the valid research done by several on the forum who have posted links?

Our stuff is out there, but national media? I doubt it -- unless we offer "Dancing with the Stars" as a bonus to our meeting. But you're right about national media and how they should be involved, but how do you propose to get national media involved? I will say this: the State Department is very well aware of all that is going on in our town.

I hope to see you at the meeting, and I hope you and everyone else brings several good questions. And please, no long speeches. They already know how we feel, but we do need answers to well-formulated questions.

Yes, I understand, chess not rugby. I don't know exactly how the Amish prevented this from happening in their town. Short of driving there to find out so we could talk to them in person, there's no way we can call them. But we can be in contact with Hagerstown, Maryland and Cayce, South Carolina and other towns that have indeed battled the steamroller forces successfully. We've been on their radar since the beginning. They are indeed helping as best they can. I've posted links.

And you're right, Infinicat, Emporia does not want to give substance to those stereotypes mentioned earlier. That would kill us immediately. Chess not rugby.

November 24, 2007 at 12:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Good job on the links, Slipandslide.

Top 100 Industry Crooks

"52)(tie) Tyson Foods Inc.
Type of Crime: Public corruption
Criminal Fine: $4 million
12 Corporate Crime Reporter 1(3), January 5, 1998"

November 24, 2007 at 12:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

This one should make most of us feel very good indeed. A very good read.

http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/articles/a...

November 24, 2007 at 12:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Just read in NY Times Tyson is complaining about not getting enough military contracts.Not only do they supply food,they're getting in the military av fuel business -
begin-
Under terms of the contract, Syntroleum will provide 500 gallons of ultra-clean renewable synthetic jet fuel produced entirely from fats supplied by Tyson Foods, Inc., using the company's recently announced Biofining(TM) technology. The fuel will be used for research development and performance testing in military turbine applications
end-
article found here-
http://www.syntroleum.com/pr_individu...
Syntroleum - NewsRelease
Seems to me our men and women in uniform were insulted enough when US uniforms had some items made in communist china.I wonder how many know the food they eat may be processed by a family member of someone shooting at them? It's possible soon that the fuel in their plane's tanks will be from the same source.This no longer smells like beef and big money-It smells of rotten fish.In my opinion- un-American,and downright treasonous.

November 24, 2007 at 12:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

infinicat;

I am sorry you didn't understand my conotation in my previous post about going to the USCCB website, what I ment was that this is the first church sponsered and maintained website that I have actually come across that actually posts information about how involved they are in Federal Government ,are proud enough about it to publicly flaunt it, what I realize is that all churches and religious organizations are involved in influencing FEDERAL GOVERNMENT POLICY, and RECEIVING FREE GOVERNMENT TAXPAYER FUNDED GRANT MONEY, and what I am trying to get across to people is the fact that CHURCHES and CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS, ENGAGED IN THE ACT OF INFLUENCING GOVERNMENT POLICY and RECEIVING TAXPAYER FUNDED GOVERNMENT GRANTS and not paying taxes on income they receive from collections, sales of books, etc. is not RIGHT nor FAIR to every other CITIZEN TAXPAYER OF THIS COUNTRY and I believe that if they are going to apply for and receive TAXPAYER FUNDED GRANTS to push their CHURCH, RELIGIOUS and IMMIGRANT ( REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT ) agenda, they should either PAY TAXES or use THE COLLECTIONS FROM THEIR PARISHIONERS TO FUND THEIR CHARITABLE AMBITIONS, they should not be allowed to use taxpayer funded grants.

November 24, 2007 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I would also like to add to my above post, that if the various churches and their organizations cannot collect enough money from their parishioners to accomplish their church, religious and immigrant ( refugee resettlement ) objectives then they will have to do with what they get from collections from their own paritioners, without help from the people who don't believe as they do, after-all I (we) will have to bear the burden of higher taxes and undoubtably do without certain things because of higher taxes caused by a refugee resettlement center, after-all if the CCS were not able to receive a taxpayer funded grant, I doubt a refugee resettlement center would ever be a thought or discussed.

November 24, 2007 at 4:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla- the agencies and refugees HAVE to come here,the big cities are full! There is so much more money to be made on the runaway federal gravy train.
There are those in this community that look down on us as "sheeple". Myself,I want names-If you do public business,then it's gonna be all out in the open.So far we've uncovered a fair amount of the money trail and a little on the policy makers.It seems there are two main entities in Emporia that get most of the "tax welfare"money of this resettlement scheme.Throw a few cars and houses sold into the mix,add a bit of sales tax,and you can buy a whole town!

November 24, 2007 at 5:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

blueliltespecial and methusla, you are responsible for digging out lots of stuff to think about. Great work! Runaway federal gravy train is right, bluelite. Also, I read something today that was complimentary of groups like ours, calling us "grassroots anti-establishment mavericks."

November 24, 2007 at 6:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

bluelitespecial- I agree with you 100%, but if the big cities are full and the citizens of those cities set back, laid down and didn't let their local churches, church organizations, corporations, businesses, federal, state, county and local governments know that a refugee settlement center or whatever wasn't going to be established in THEIR city with out a fight and certain consequences to the local, county, state and federal elected officials then that is the fault of that citys' taxpaying citizens and they are the ones who need to take the blame.
But I can assure you that the proposed refugee resettlement center is not going to be establised in Emporia, without a fight by myself and others and if a refugee resettlement center is established in Emporia, at least myself and others can say that we did not set back and let it happen with out a fight.
DON'T LET THIS REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT CENTER HAPPEN IN EMPORIA WITH OUT A FIGHT, PEOPLE OF EMPORIA WHO OPPOSE THIS PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS, EITHER IN THE EMPORIA GAZETTE, ON THE EMPORIAGAZETTES FORUM OR BY ATTENDING THE UP-COMING MEETINGS.

November 24, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla - It will not happen without a fight.

November 24, 2007 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

methalusa, you are well spoken and so far i have been impressed with everything you say. your right, if the churches and tyson were not getting grant money for this it never would have been considered, they are like anyone else, the almighty dollar comes first, humanitairian stuff later, if there is a way to drail thier funds it would stop the whole scenario

November 24, 2007 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

If you want to play chess, you might want to cite Upton Sinclair's literary masterpiece "The Jungle". The novel which highlights unscrupulous companies in the meat packing industry replacing one sub-class with another in their pursuit of an ever cheaper, more exploitable work force would give context to the debate that would avoid the hazards of racial undertones. Selling the story of a real life "Jungle" occurring right here in Emporia with the transition of workforces from native Emporian, to South-East Asian, to legal Latino, to “allegedly” illegal immigrants and finally refugees would give the media a blueprint on how to tell our story.

Mr. Sinclair exposed corporate cutthroat tactics and helped usher in a new era of regulation, unionization and better working standards. With the way many MNC's are acting these days, maybe Mr. Sinclair's book, written over one hundred years ago, deserves an update.

November 24, 2007 at 9:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create- I am thrilled to be called a " a grassroots anti-establishment maverick" as I have been called much worse and I am proud to be known as "a grassroots anti-establishment maverick. Also if all of us "MAVERICKS' will band together and shout, protest and fight for what we believe is an injustice to not only the citizens of Emporia but the entire citizen taxpayers of this nation, just maybe the "RUNAWAY FEDERAL GRAVY TRAIN" will be D-railed and retired forever. FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.
momus- You are correct "Jungle" is a great literary and eye-opening adventure. I believe that the modern day real-life "JUNGLE" that exists in our country would go something like this, The United States Jungle of today consists of three basic animal groups, The Kings of the Jungle, consisting of the President and His Political Associates, The Predators, consisting of Wealthy Corporations and their Stockholders, Churches and their Organizations, Sub-Predators, consisting of State, County, Local governments, these sub-predators are not as powerful or ruthless as the full-blown Kings of the Jungle or the top Predators, but are predators just the same and then at the bottom of the food chain you have the Citizen Taxpayers who if they (we) don't band together in a protective herd and try and scare off these TOP and sub Predators by shouting, fighting and trying to expose all Predators, you (we) will continue to be subjugated and possibly eaten by the PREDATORS.
I appologize for going on and on about this, but this is something I feel very strongly about.

November 24, 2007 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

Glad to see you all enjoy Sinclair's "The Jungle", See all socialists aren't bad people!

November 24, 2007 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

TruthBeTold- I don't consider myself as a socialist, right now I consider myself as a MAD AS H_LL CITIZEN TAXPAYER OF EMPORIA and you are right, all socialists aren't bad people.

November 24, 2007 at 11:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

Just finished watching this interview with Anderson Cooper and Glenn Beck on television. Ran into it accidentally.

www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/glenn.beck

It ran last night and will be on tomorrow night .Everyone needs to take the time to listen to this Also a new book of Becks titled "An Inconvenient Book" might be an informative read. His views on the immigration fisaco is the first thing that has made sense to me and he pulls together the reason why our governing bodies are helpless at stopping this fiasco. It will most likely be available to view on your computer even if you miss the show.

November 25, 2007 at 12:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

There is a slight correction by the blogger on this link who had misidentified who ran away with the money on the original post. I think most of us watched the video on this that originally appeared in the Nashville newspaper that was linked on the blog. There are additional comments on the blog. If you didn't watch the video, click on the video portion of the story too. Quite an impact.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 25, 2007 at 7:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Forewarned is forearmed

http://www.brookings.edu/speeches/200...

Just click on the different topics on the left side of the page. The Brookings Institute is nothing to sneeze at, and all these topics relate to what is going on with us right now. Reading more and more about all this hearkens me back to our local commish. There's more to governing a city than deciding where to plant the bushes. It's what behind those bushes that counts.

Good to see your rallying cry, Methusla. I have talked to several people recently who don't really have a thought on any of this one way or the other. I find that problematic.

November 25, 2007 at 8:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

Be advised, a story related to this topic just hit the Topeka Cap.: http://cjonline.com/stories/112507/ka...
There is an e-mail address for the reporter at the bottom of the page that some of you might want to use in order to relay a calm, well thought out response.

November 25, 2007 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

momus- I went to the Topeka Cap sight and read the article and discovered, as usual the article does not report the whole story, therefore have set down and composed a response to this article and am thinking about emailing it to the reporter who wrote the article.
I would like to post my response on this forum to see what the people on this forum think of it, but it is quite lenghty, but I will post it on the forum if the other people on this forum think that they would like to read it and possibley make contributions to it, etc.
Please let me know your thoughts on this by posting your thoughts and feelings on this forum.

November 25, 2007 at 11:22 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create- I too find that people who have no thought or opinion one way or the other problematic, is it possible that these people really do have a thought or opinion about this, but are just afraid to voice their opinion, because of fear of loosing their job, etc. Hmmmmm, I thought that threat of job loss because of a belief or personal opinion was agaist ones' constitutional right and against the law, and could also possibily be classified as DISCRIMINATION!

November 25, 2007 at 11:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Well, I am going to leave the forum for a while, Chiefs game you know! But I will be back later to check on posts, etc.

November 25, 2007 at 11:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

To Momus.........please post it

November 25, 2007 at 12:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

methusla, what do you mean by the "whole story" and will you have hard evidence and not just hearsay?

November 25, 2007 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

Create,

The lack of information supporting the asertion that a refugee center in Emporia would have any positive long range economic impacts is beyond troubling. I remember when Coffey County was deciding whether to allow a nuclear power plant in its area. Farmers and ranchers were concerned that if a leak occured, they would loose their land and livelyhoods with no compensation. However, the potential economic boom for what was then rated the third poorest county in the state outweighed the potential risk involved. That is how the project was sold: risk versus reward.

In this particular instance, we aren't being sold on potential economic benefits, we are being threatened with potential economic consequences for our failure to acquese to the desires of a few organizations or companies. So, the potential community wide economic benefits look negligable at this time. Generally, it is up to the groups or individuals to prove positive impact, but to my knowledge that has not happend yet.

Back to the Topeka Cap, I think it is in our best interest as a community to show the complexity of this situation in a manner that is easily digested from a story line point of view. I would (and have) concentrated on 1. The lack of representation from elected officials in this potentially community altering move. 2. Can our social systems and our local economy/tax base withstand such a move? 3. Big corporations seeking ever cheaper exploitable workforces without regard to the microeconomic consequenses. 4. How will this effect the external and internal image of this community (i.e., does this fit into what and who we want to be? Will it lead to population and median income growth? Will this make Emporia a place that people want to move to, go to school at, open a business in?) Those are my thoughts.

November 25, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

gabby (anonymous) says...

To answer one of your questions create - #4. - Will this make Emporia a place that people want to move to, go to school at, open a business in? My answer: NO

An answer for any of those being NO is frightful. Without people wanting to move to Emporia, go to school here -including our college-or open a business we will be just another Beef town, except you can add Refugee Center to it. WELCOME TO EMPORIA -HOME OF STINKY TYSON AND REFUGEE CENTER- It will be a big sign. No need for any off ramps though.

November 25, 2007 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I think the resettlement center would be much nicer in Topeka or Lawrence.If the economics of this are so wonderful,maybe a deal could be struck with the area tribes to bring all those federal dollars on to the reservations.Better yet- Not At All.

November 25, 2007 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I wasn't at the "economics"presentation.Did someone say there that Tyson gets no subsidies for refugee labor? How much much money has ESU taken in over this,including all the matching tuition funds?

November 25, 2007 at 2:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Momus,

I have had your your numbers one and two in my head for quite some time and even went so far as to formulate my own personal mission statement just so I know I'm not coming from some off-the-wall place. It's good to keep ourselves in check from time to time.

1. The lack of representation from elected officials in this potentially community altering move.
2. Can our social systems and our local economy/tax base withstand such a move?

I like the your 3 and 4. 4 in particular has been commented upon frequently on the forum. #3 is my favorite. From time to time I have even dared to mention the term "legal slavery" on my posts. Do the local entities that sponsored the grant; do the non-profits involved realize that they are complicit in victimizing the Somali people? (rhetorical question)

3. Big corporations seeking ever cheaper exploitable workforces without regard to the microeconomic consequenses.
4. How will this effect the external and internal image of this community (i.e., does this fit into what and who we want to be? Will it lead to population and median income growth? Will this make Emporia a place that people want to move to, go to school at, open a business in?)

And yes, Momus, we have indeed been threatened with potential economic consequences if we don't acquiesce. Tyson is a big stick.

Bluelite,
Lawrence? Hmmm, let's suggest it.

November 25, 2007 at 2:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

create- I think it would be a truly amazing wonderful thing for KU and Lawrence.

November 25, 2007 at 2:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

How proud does this make you feel?

Notice we were notified that 70 Somalis were being transferred here from Nebraska....

and, ooops!!!!...it grew to 400, almost overnight.....

oh, and P.S....

The total Somali population in Emporia is thought to be between 750 and 1000, and the "expectation is that the number will continue to grow as word of jobs (Tyson) spreads to Somali enclaves in Utah, Minnesota, Maine and Ohio. I thought we were told we could expect the population to probably "DEcrease" because they would leave Emporia to go to "those" States.

All this on top of : SOMALIS ARRIVE IN EMPORIA WITH TUBERCULOSIS..in the Capital-Journal in Topeka today!!!!....Am I the only one that is outraged by this?

If you haven't made up your mind about whether you want to go to the meeting or not, on Wednesday, or Thursday this week, please read this article...It may help you make your decision.

http://cjonline.com/stories/112507/ka...

November 25, 2007 at 2:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

terrye-Thanks for the link earlier- I like Glenn Beck! Also gave me more ideas for contacting national media.Another thing- if you use certain words in your search engine,like Emporia Somali, or Refugee Resettlement,you'd be surprised how often the results point right back here!

November 25, 2007 at 2:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Thanks renegade- I have contacted 4 media outlets today.I don't pull punches,I mention the dark side.

November 25, 2007 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create- What I mean by the whole story is the fact that I believe noone in Emporia or possibly the whole State had any idea that any of the Somali refugees coming here were infected with T.B. until an article in the Gazette surfaced about a Somali refugee who was infected with T.B. and worked for Tyson died from T.B. related infection and how only after this fact was made public, did the Local and State health agencies start informing the people of the facts, even then they tried to down play the seriousness of this potentially deadly, sometimes highly infectious disease.
This is the part of the story that was, I believe conviently left out of the Topeka Cap. story!
Oh, and by the way everyone should go the cdc.gov web site and pull up the map that shows the infectious diseas around the world and see where all the infectious diseases are and come from and see which of these diseases are now in the U.S..

November 25, 2007 at 3:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I would just like to add to the above post, does anyone living here know what SARS-COV, Ebola and Marburg are, well they are all three serious diseases that are indigionous to other parts of the world and are now appearing in the U.S. via refugees from all over the rest of the world.
For those of you who do not want to look this information up and find out for your-selves, SARS-COV means (SARS) (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)-(COV) (Coronavirus),
Ebola and Marburg are both a form of Hemoragic Fever. All three have the potential to be deadly.
Have an out-break of any-one of the above mentioned three, plus T.B. and you will see how strained this Nations infrastructure becomes and how fast a National uprising against immigrants and Refugees happens especially if American citizens start loosing relatives to something that is now in runaway mode and no-one but a few seem to have the grit to stand up and fight against.
Therefore if you (we) stand united against this, just maybe we can convince the powers that be, that what they are trying to do is not the right thing to do, no matter where they try to do it.

November 25, 2007 at 4:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I know you people who read this forum and posts are probably getting tired of hearing my rant and rave, but I can't seem to help it, I am so fired up and passionate about what is trying to be done to us with-out our consent, I just have to rave on, So I appologize and here I go again.
Tyson as you know has stated that they require all of their potential new hires to have health insurance, my question is where do the potential new hires, especially the immigrants and refugees get health insurance, especially if they are not working at the time they are considered a potential new hire and can't afford to buy health insurance, Hmmmmmm, aha!, MEDICADE and MEDICARE, both a taxpayer funded SOCIAL SERVICE, think about it.

November 25, 2007 at 4:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Oh, I left out PUBLIC HEALTH CARE in the above post.
O.K., O.K., I will stop posting for now and let someone else get a word in.

November 25, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Methusla, now I understand. Yes, I do remember Local and State Health agencies trying to downplay that story about the Somali who died from TB after the accident. Good, I hope you bring that to the attention of the writer of cjonline article.

My further question is this: If they still don't know how many Somali people are here, how do they know how many more might be infected? Had that man who died from TB after the accident not gotten hurt, how long would he have wandered around Emporia spreading the disease before getting "caught" by the Health Department?

The article points out that latent TB, if untreated, can become active TB. How do we know if people with Latent TB are truly taking their medications? Is someone keeping check? If they're short-handed, who does that? The ERRA perhaps?

To make a socioeconomic point here, or as Momus asks, "Can our social systems stand such a move?" -- According to the article, a full-time tuberculosis nurse position has been formed as well as a full-time Somali translator. Thats two positions added.

The people of Emporia deserve more than what they have been offered -- pretty much nothing. If it weren't for the Gazette, we'd know nothing at all.

November 25, 2007 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

The entire hour of the Glenn Beck/Anderson Cooper interview is very good. Watch it tonight. It is has run for two nights and is on tonight at 7:00 and 9:00 p.m. At the end of it Glenn basically states that his concern for our country and the downward spiral it is heading was becoming overwhelming to him and there just didn't seem to be an answer for handling it. One day while walking down a street in one of our largest cities it hit him so hard and he realized that our ingenious founding fathers had already given us the answer.....not in small print, but large capital letters "WE THE PEOPLE"
That is what this forum is all about. We don't have the answers yet but as one united body of Americans "WE THE PEOPLE will stand strong together and we will take back our country. We have the obligation to do this for the greatest gifts that God has given us which is our children & grandchildren and beyond.

November 25, 2007 at 4:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Terrye,
Way to Go!!!!

November 25, 2007 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

terrye-I can tell you that the term "WE THE PEOPLE", in todays UNITED STATES means THE WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS AND THEIR STOCKHOLDERS, not the true people that the term "WE THE PEOPLE" origionally referred to and I am thinking about sending an email to Glen Beck, Anderson Cooper, and Bill O'reilly about the situation in Emporia and our country.

November 25, 2007 at 5:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create-I have a statement all ready to email to cjonline and if people on this forum would like to see a sample of it, I will post a sample of it on this forum and you can read it and possibly make changes or add to it, Please let me know if you want me to post it on this forum before I email it to cjonline.

November 25, 2007 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

emporian (anonymous) says...

anybody notice the HUGE employment ads tyson is now running? Think we had anyhting to do with that :)

November 25, 2007 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Here's what the Gazette could tell us one year ago-

Gary Mickelson, director of media relations for Tyson.

“We’re not aware of any influx of Somalian family members,” Mickelson said on Monday. “We believe a majority of our Somalian team members are single.
”http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/2006/nov/21/somali_influx/

yeah right...

November 25, 2007 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
Somali Influx? | emporiagazette.com

November 25, 2007 at 5:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Hi methusla....I would like to read it please....If you don't post it...would you please send me a copy? I don't think I would suggest any editing...You definitly get your messages across. :-)
Thanks methusla.

November 25, 2007 at 6:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Well Blu,
Sorry I missed that article about the Somali influx....in November, 2006.

One year ago, exactly, I was busy packing up our belongings, and trying to get to moved to our new home in Emporia, by Christmas.

We made it...and, I guess in my excitement about moving to a pretty little community, in a State I'd never lived in before, and retiring......I missed that tidbit of news.

I think that word..."influx" was also used in the article on November 3 and 4. Isn't this a whole new "influx" we're talking about now?....
and, by the way....when is the influx of Refugees from Burma, due in?

November 25, 2007 at 6:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Just a little education:

The meaning of the word "influx", is as follows:
Influx;
1. " A flowing in: ( an influx of money or capitol)

2. " A mass arrival or incoming: ( " an influx of immigrants or refugees)

And as for Mickelsons comment, " We're not aware of any influx of Somalian family members " and "We believe a majority of our Somalian team members are single", what a bunch of drivel, the company he works for is responsible for bringing the Somalians to this country and the City of Emporia and He, They are not aware of an influx of Somalian family members and their Somalian team members are "Single", where does this man live, "Mars", I mean the Somalians that have posted on this blog have said themselves that they moved here with family members and the news media has stated that refugees of all kinds move here with family members and that means WIVES, SONS, DAUGHTERS, COUSINS, UNCLES, AUNTS, GRANDFATHERS, GRANDMOTHERS, etc, like I said before where does Mickelson live, on " Mars "!

November 25, 2007 at 6:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Also, shouldn't Mickelson realize that employment applications ask for personal information like married, single, widowed, divorced...don't they? Isn't that part of regular company data?

Be prepared, folks, we're going to get double talk and stonewalling from some sources. I keep thinking of Thursday night.

Methusla, go ahead, post what you had to say. It won't need editing I'm sure; you are quite articulate.

November 25, 2007 at 7:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

CREATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *&^%%%^*())__+++(*&&^&

IT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday Night at 7PM....Little Theatre.

Aloha! :-)

November 25, 2007 at 7:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

I've been gone for a while in Mexico and have taken some time to get re-acclimated to American life. It's good to be home.

I'm going to post a response I sent regarding the Topeka Cap-Journal piece. The response is long and includes an op-ed I sent to the Gazette for possible publication. I believe it represents a reasoned view to the problem.

The response follows. It will probably be in two or three parts.

Mr.Sheilds

I read your piece in the November 25th on line edition.

What I find especially troubling is, that in using one anonymous post, you have painted Emporians who have concerns about the possibility of this city becoming a refugee resettlement center as racisits.

Nothing could be further from the truth!

I suspect you know this to be true, but for some reason you chose to ignore that in a misguided attempt to sell copy and sensationalism.

About a week ago I sent an op-ed piece to the Emporia Gazette for possible publication, It gives a brief picture of some of the concerns I have as a citizen of this city. They have absolutely nothing to do with racism. I have spent my adult life as an advocate of diversity, equal employment opportunity, and harmony in race relations.

I can say unequivocally that there are a lot of people here in Emporia who want answers to some of the questions the possibilty of a refugee resettlement center bring.

Long ago, when I was doing my undergraduate work, I took an elective course in journalism. In that course I learned a bit about men like Lincoln Steffens and other journalists in the tradition of the muckrakers. They saw the effects of the social problems created by the rush for profits (see "The Shame of the Cities") and spoke eloquently for responsible change. I've read about the abuse of Polish and Lithuanian immigrants in the packing houses of Chicago ("The Jungle) and have read about the negative social impact meat packing plants and its relationship to fast food and the drive for cheap labor in Eric Schlosser's "Fast Food Nation."

I think that this situation in Emporia would have been a golden opportunity for a journalist to ask a couple of fundamental questions about the issue in Emporia:
1. Who is going to profit?
2. Who is going to pay?
3. What is the real agenda of the social service agencies and Tyson with regard to the Somali people? Is it as benevolent as we're being led to believe?
4. Why has our Federal government adopted a policy of shuffling the Somali people from city to city with no assimlation plan other than what appears to be dumping them from their "in" baskets to communities in the Midwest without any communication with local government?

These are eminently fair questions that deserve answers. They certainly don't deserve the short sighted, self-serving journalism reflected in your piece.

I am forwarding my op-ed submitted to the Emporia Gazette.

November 25, 2007 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Part two follows:

The People Speak
The Emporia Gazette
Drawer C
Emporia , KS 66801

Over the past three weeks or so there has been much discussion in Emporia concerning the possibility of the city becoming a refugee resettlement center. Along with this possibility has come a great deal of concern. Some of the dialogue has been heated. On one side there are some who have used this possibility as an opportunity to express their fear or hatred. They have labeled the Somali community with a broad brush based on that fear and misunderstanding. On the other side there are some who decry every concern raised as a certain sign of racism.

Neither of these two poles represents the views of the vast majority of Emporians. There is a middle ground I believe we need to tread if harmony is to prevail.

I write, not as a city leader, but as an average Emporian. I believe I have a good sense of what the community pulse is. Like the overwhelming majority of Emporians I harbor no ill will toward the Somali people. Like many Emporians, I am a first generation American. My mother was born in a small fishing village on the island of Newfoundland , in the Canadian Maritimes. She came to America with a third grade education, married my father, and settled in to American family life. When my father died prematurely she was left with three children to support. With little education she made the determination that this country was a good and noble place. She taught us the value of hard work, education, and loyalty to the tried and true principles of American life. She refused to give in to the circumstances she faced and we overcame. I take a measure of pride in the fact that my brother, sister, and I have realized a small part of the American dream. We’ve succeeded far beyond the expectations of many experts and social scientists. We’ve passed that on to our children and they are passing on to theirs. That’s the American way.

I want to assure you that my story is not uncommon in Emporia . That story extends to life-long Emporians and it extends to newcomers. It extends to Anglos and it extends to Hispanics. Our hope is that it will also extend to the Somali community.

If that’s the case, then, why is so much concern being voiced from the community?

November 25, 2007 at 7:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Part three follows:

One of Emporia ’s current realities is our extremely high poverty rates. Because of this there is great concern being expressed by those on the lower ends of our economic ladder about jobs or how families are going to be able to get by on limited incomes. In addition, there is concern about the impact a large influx of refugees will have on city services, medical care, etc. It would be easy to dismiss the concerns by calling those who express them racists, but this is not the case. It’s an economic reality.

One of my favorite authors is Professor Emeritus Walter Berns of Georgetown University . In 2001 he wrote a remarkable treatise titled Making Patriots. Early on he made the observation that the term un-American has no counterpart anywhere in the world. That is, anywhere in the world the term is mentioned, whether in sub-Saharan Africa, India , Japan , or Bangladesh , people understand its meaning. They understand that one of the great core principles of our founding was a unique belief in justice. When those principles are violated, we call that violation un-American.

I believe, first of all, that our Federal government is doing the Somali people an injustice. You’ve asked for refugee status and our Federal response has been to send you from city to city, using un-funded mandates as the tool to shuttle you. They’ve assumed that as long as the problem has moved from their desks and attention it is solved. Like Pontius Pilate, they’ve washed their hands, claiming they’ve done all they could to help you. This, I contend, is un-American. For our government to do this to you with no clear plan or concern for you or the communities you’re being sent to is un-American. It flies in the face of American values.

The concerns extend beyond the reach of our Federal government as well. There are social service agencies working on your behalf. There can be great benefit in that. But, I ask you to be cautious. Service agencies are becoming a cottage industry in America . For some that means fostering perpetual dependence so that the organization can grow and expand at the expense of those they claim to support. This, also, is un-American. America is a land of great opportunity. It was not built on the idea that men and women should be kept in a dependent state. It was built on the idea that, while there are services available to all, there are responsibilities we all have to become productive and self-sustaining members of society.

November 25, 2007 at 7:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Part four follows:

The concerns also extend to your employment. Our hope is that the dreams many of us have realized because of America ’s goodness will also become realities for you. But, your dreams will never become realities as long as you’re being used as a low-cost tool for a large corporation to profit. We don’t believe that your future lies in passing a legacy of economic serfdom and back-breaking labor from generation to generation while corporate profits strengthen. This is un-American.

Our hope for you is that you will soon assimilate to American life. We hope that some day soon we’ll see you joining us in our festivals and celebrations. We hope that on warm summer nights as we pass one another on evening walks that we’ll stop and talk about the weather or the latest news or our different customs or how our kids are doing in school. That is the American way.

I think these are good things for us to set our collective sights on. But, unfortunately they will never become realities as long as polar extremes on both sides of this important issue insist on playing the race card. We must work together to find the answers to the legitimate problems we face. They’re very real, but they’re not insurmountable. Faith and common sense can prevail. We can, together, find the way.

November 25, 2007 at 7:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Oh crap, I said Thursday night, didn't I? Slap my face!!! IT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT! WEDNESDAY NIGHT!!!
So sorry, everyone. Sunday night. Brain tired.

November 25, 2007 at 7:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

To all who are interested, what follows is a statement I have prepared to email to cjonline.

Mr. Shelds-Sir:
In your article published in the Topeka Capitol newspaper dated November 25, 2007, most of everything you reported was accurate, except you neglected to state the following important fact,

Most or all of the local citizens of Emporia did not know or realize that a number of Somali refugees that Tyson was transferring or has transferred to Emporia were infected with T.B., until an article appeared in the Emporia Gazette, which stated that a Somali that was injured at the Tyson Fresh Meats plant in Emporia had died, of course everyone had assumed that the Somali had died from his work related injuries, but in fact it was found that the cause of this Somali's death was due to active T.B. infection. It was only after the news that the death was caused by active T.B. infection and the fact that some of us here in Emporia started publicly questioning and commenting on the fact that this Somali died of active T.B. infection, that the State and Local Public Health Agencies publicly announced that some of the Somalis' were in fact infected with T.B. and only then did they ( these Public Health Agencies) get serious about screening and testing for T.B. infection among the Somali refugees.

I may be wrong, but is it not the responsibility of our Public Elected Officials, Public Health Agencies and the Companies who import and hire refugees to check the non indiginous peoples for infectious diseases and warn the citizens of this Nation of a possible Health Risk, etc., or do the wishes and desires of certain WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS, WEALTHY CORPORATIONS AND THER STOCKHOLDERS and certain CORRUPT ELECTED OFFICIALS take precedent over the HEALTH AND WELFARE of all the citizens of this Nations.

I am planning on including my name and city.

November 25, 2007 at 8:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Very nice methusla. Thank you.

November 25, 2007 at 8:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

netloaf:

Your respose is long and eloquent, but the simple reality of this matter is that most or all of our concerns are not with the Somali people themselves, even though some or most of us have referred to them, but I believe that most of the concerns we have are about the sneaky way this refugee resettlement center was and is being shoved down our throats without a moratorium of the people to see if this is what the people of Emporia want and need and wheather this refugee resettlement center will benefit us or not. One of my fears is based on the fact that if this refugee resettlement center becomes a reality, without stringent health checks to protect this Nations people from serious diseases from around the world there may possibly be a very real health threat to the citizens Emporia, indeed the Nation..

November 25, 2007 at 8:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Methusla

That's exactly what I was saying. I was saying that the vast majority of the questions being raised were not about race, but about the politics, the corporate profits, etc that are polluting the air.

November 25, 2007 at 8:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

netloaf-I appologize netloafer, but some of us old country boys aren't very good at understanding long and eloquent, just plain old short and to the point we understand better, Ha, Ha !

November 25, 2007 at 8:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

you both say it well along with alot of others here

November 25, 2007 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Just a little reminder as we budget for taxes and Christmas-
From the refugeewatch website- quote-
* The Volags receive $2000 for each refugee (including children) under an ORR program called Matching Grants. The Volag must provide $200 in cash of its own and $800 worth of items like used clothing, furniture and cars, and they then receive $2000 cash from the government. So, numbers matter to the Volags and competition for refugees is stiff. And, that is not the only source of taxpayer money for the Volags.

* Refugees get an interest-free loan for air travel to the US provided by the federal government that is not regularly repaid. As of 2002, about 43 percent of all such loans were unpaid, leaving a balance due the government of $436.5 million. *Report is available.

Volags are given 25% of any travel loans they can collect from the refugees.

* Volags bring refugees to communities they believe are “welcoming” and have jobs and low income housing, but do not thoroughly inform communities before hand of the planned resettlement. I believe the Volags have carved up the country in some way and actually have exclusive territories. It is a competitive business.

* For the first 30 days the refugees are funded with an $850 per family gift from the State Department. At 30 days they are eligible for all forms of welfare. Listed below:
end of quote-
And THEN all the the things we have discussed here kick in. wow.Just in case the agency doesn't make it's quota,the Fed will let them "roll over refugee credits",and pay to keep their offices and payroll afloat until they find more.

November 25, 2007 at 11:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

wow it sounds like big business! i can see were emporia was picked , jobs at tyson and low housing costs.kind of creepy thinking that people are out there searching americas small towns for the best finds for future resettlements, creepy in the same way the stephen guy at ccc is. here go to iboogie type in tysons illegal immigrants. here s one link from it

http://www.rense.com/general18/USchar...

November 25, 2007 at 11:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

slipandslide-I've been keeping track of that lawsuit! It's to be heard again in December-It takes years,and one of the managers committed suicide shortly after charges were filed. On the big business Vol-Agency side- Fedusa Council got her start in this business with the Lutheran Ministries.She is an employee of Tyson now,and does this for them all over the country.Last year was Lexington,now Emporia.

November 25, 2007 at 11:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

so she is pretty experienced at soaking communities of their tax dollars, and using race as a major distraction from the main issues? yes

November 26, 2007 at 12:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Well, somali, I asked direct questions about direct incidents of treatment of women here in Emporia, and what if anything is/has been done about these incidents within the somalian community. I got a blanket answer but nothing directly answering my question(s) about local incidents. I'm not surprised.
Then, you mentioned the link to the videos and stories about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian woman who changed her religion and left Islam - not sure exactly what you were saying in that paragraph, but you began it with "Lies is every where", so I assume you are saying either the story about her is untrue or she is a liar. Well, she has a best-selling book and appears in numerous talk shows, speeches, and guest appearances across the country - she's quite famous, actually - so it can't be #1. As for her being a liar - I've heard quite a few stories from people who are directly in contact with people who have left Islam and changed to a non-Muslim religion, and their subsequent treatment (or should I say, MIStreatment) by other Muslims - therefore I FULLY EXPECT you to call her a liar and brand everything she says as lies. Perhaps you would like to have a Dr. examine her and confirm if she has truly been a victim of FGM?

Oh, and by the way, congratulations on your suddenly and inexplicably vastly improved English syntax and grammar......

November 26, 2007 at 12:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Well,we were lied to by Tyson,we were lied to about the Burmese(they were requested by Tyson),we were lied to about TB and HIV,we were lied to by the agencies,and the City and County have a blanket over their heads.A little more insight to what's ahead here-

http://www.lexch.com/site/news.cfm?ne...
Lexington Clipper-Herald - Somalian refugees add to community's cultural mix

November 26, 2007 at 12:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Yes, I do know what SARS-COV, Ebola and Marburg are. The reason why we don't and are unlikely to see an outbreak of any of those, particularly the last two, at least not from a refugee, is that they usually prove lethal to the host, and clearly visible in short order. It is much more likely that those would enter the US from someone traveling in a much faster way, specially a returning American.

The TB, HIV, and other problems are a reality. I think we want to be very careful about overdoing it with scare tactics. There's apparently plenty of relevant, solid facts to go on.

--- Infinicat

Ps. Glen Beck? Barf! :-)

November 26, 2007 at 6:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

infinicat- I am not trying to use scare tactics, I am only trying to make people aware of the very real threat that the unfettered, runaway and uncontrolled immigration and refugeeism may cause in this country, I don't mean to scare anyone, but it does cause me concern.

November 26, 2007 at 8:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

By the way our local City officials and others have been using scare tactics to infulence the thinking of the citizens about this refugee resettlement center such as if this refugee resettlement center doesn't happen Tyson will move away, (scare tactic) and if this refugee resettlement center doesn't become reality the peoples taxes will increase (scare tactic),I believe that we all know our taxes are going to go up anyway, and has anyone else asked themselves, why do we need a refugee resettlement center, refugees' are already coming here with out one anyway. I believe this is all just a planned effort to bleed more tax dollars out of the taxpayers.

November 26, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

infincat, I'm sure that Glen Beck would PROBABLY say the same about you after reading some or all of your posts.
Ps, I like Glen Beck :-)

and where has somali been?? hmmmmmmmmm

November 26, 2007 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Well, just saw on the news this morning, that islamic terrorists, posing as Hispanic Nationals, have been using/were planning to use drug cartels to smuggle themselves and large weapons caches into the US across the Mexican border. Plot was uncovered, they were planning to attack the US Army base in Arizona. According to the news this morning, some have already managed to cross the border.

Although I saw it on a news station that make some here "barf", it was reported in the Washington Times.

http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007/...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives...

Scare tacticts, Infinicat? Anyone you don't agree with, "Barf?"

Go right ahead, keep on barfing.....

November 26, 2007 at 9:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

somali, I had another question about your post (the one before your English and grammar suddenly improved).

You said "We certainly have no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem".

What exactly does this mean? It is ok to look down upon certain people, or consider them inferior? Such as infidels?

Hey, Usay, how come you haven't commented on that remark??? I'm waiting for you to start screaming "racism".....

November 26, 2007 at 9:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Netloafer, You articulated our concerns thoroughly and accurately. You too Methusla.

Netloafer, I especially liked your recurring motif of "un-American." Powerful!

Blulite, I'm glad you brought this out from the RRW site:
"* Volags bring refugees to communities they believe are “welcoming” and have jobs and low income housing, but do not thoroughly inform communities before hand of the planned resettlement. I believe the Volags have carved up the country in some way and actually have exclusive territories. It is a competitive business."
Remember, Stephen Weitkamp of Catholic Charities (VOLAG) in Kansas City is supposed to be here for the meeting on WEDNESDAY night.
Let me add to that what Infinicat said on November 23,
"All under the guise, ironically, of "humanitarian mission". Methinks we're getting globalized, to put it politely. The problem is not the refugees, who are naturally looking for better lives, but the machinery ramming them down our throats for corporate and church gains."
ABSOLUTELY!
And to paraphrase Methusla in an earlier post, "they think we're stupid."
I'm including the ERRA on that. They didn't do their homework!

Finally, I woke up this morning thinking of our brothers and sisters in New Orleans. It is nearly Christmas and most of them are still far away from their homes, they themselves refugees. Remember those trucks we all loaded in Emporia bound for New Orleans and Mississippi? What VOLAG came to their aid? I'm guessing there were no U.S. State Department matching funds for American "refugees."

November 26, 2007 at 9:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

I've wondered for some time why our State Department didn't even think of using the influx of Somalis to provide some of the labor that could have been used in New Orleans' reconstruction. This country has done that sort of thing before. Hoover Dam is a great example. The labor for the project was brought in from all over the country. Temporary housing was set up, etc. One of the provisions of the labor was that there would be re-training classes held at night.

Think of how much an infusion of labor might have meant to the Gulf at such a time of need. Think of how much less the whole reconstruction project might be costing with a little bit of cooperation between FEMA, the State Departement, and social welfare agencies.

I've seen the same thing over in Cumberland Gap in Tennessee. Housing built, schools and citizenship classes provided for the laborers in the area's coal mines.

This whole thing from beginning to where we are now is a real case of government and social service agencies running amok, doing exactly the opposite of what they should be.

November 26, 2007 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

net loafer, remember when the new orleans refugees were needing to move to apts, jobs anything that was an improvement over the conditions they were in? i cant forget the city of emporia went public in the paper, they would not set up housing or services to take in a few, they actually commented doing so meant there would not be enough for emporia s needs, they used christmas as an example, " if we provide for the refugees, what will we have left for christmas?" i think a few moved here and stayed with relatives, but the city didnot open any avenues to help out, there was alot the community gave to katrina, i emptied my cupboards and bought as much food as i possible could to load onto the new orleans bound trucks, and from the looks to the loaded trucks a whole lot of emporians did the same thing. just an example how the city will throw open the doors of emporia when it gives them a financial boost, but keeps the doors shut when they wont have as much to profit

November 26, 2007 at 10:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-91552.html

November 26, 2007 at 10:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Does anyone remember my earlier post when I recommended that everyone BE VERY VIGILANT AND WARY, if you don't remember it, go back and read it again and no infinicat this is not a scare tactic, just words of wisdom.
Also I hate to say it, but, I TOLD YOU SO!

November 26, 2007 at 10:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Excellent comment, netloafer. Running amok is right. One hand does not know what the other is doing. If not, they are doing this purposefully, and I hate to even think that.

The Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) is in the U.S. State Department. The Domestic Resettlement Chief is Barbara Day.

DayBJ@state.gov

I e-mailed her and she promised to send me some information by mail. I have yet to receive it. I think she just said that to satisfy me momentarily. If you e-mail her, don't forget to put Emporia Kansas Refugees in the subject line. They are well aware of us.

Maybe we can ask her why they didn't use refugee labor to help rebuild New Orleans, hmmmmm?

November 26, 2007 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

SlipandSlide, we need to find that article about turning away the New Orleans refugees.

November 26, 2007 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I demand welfare for my four wives!... I mean my wife and her sisters........where the heck's my duct tape?....

November 26, 2007 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Just a little bit more of my home grown wisdom.
This country, if it continues on its present course that the Kings of the jungle, the Top Predators of the jungle and the sub-Predators of the jungle have put this country on because of their greed and disregard for the prey (us the citizens of this country). This great country will be destroyed from within, by the enemies of this country who have been and are being allowed to enter this country unfettered and unchecked ( with the help of the greedy Wealthy individuals, Wealthy corporations, Federal, State, County and Local officials, Oh yes and Charitable organizations ), not from any outside military threat. If you do not recall who I define as the Kings, Top Predators and Sub-Predators, again, read my earlier post about the U.S. jungle.
I certainly hope a lot of people are now starting to open their eyes and begining to finally (SEE!) what some of the rest of us have seen for a long time.
I believe and hope a lot of people are now starting to open their eyes and are begining to finally SEE what some of the rest of us have seen for a long time..

November 26, 2007 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

open_eyes- that terrorist connection and planned attack of the Arizona military base is just the tip of the iceberg! Plug ' terrorist alley ' into your search engine.Here's an Arizona TV station's report on it.

http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?...
KVOA News 4, Tucson, Arizona - Return to Terrorist Alley

November 26, 2007 at 11:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Everyone, here is a link to the Kansas Public Radio interview regarding the refugee situation here. It aired this morning, but they didn't let me know about it until after it aired. But here it is anyway. It will remain on their website indefinitely.

http://www.kansaspublicradio.org/news...

November 26, 2007 at 12:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Infinicat....

Quit playing games.

November 26, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Methusla -- Rome had its working formula: bread and circuses, and that great civilization was destroyed from within. Keep the people fed and entertained and they'll be quiet about matters of government. Not long ago, I think it was Blulite who said to pass the Cheetos while we turn on "Dancing with the Stars." I still remember our mayor saying that the commish didn't have time to look into this with the holidays and all.

Listen carefully to what the head of social services in Topeka says on that radio interview.

November 26, 2007 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

I listened to the interview. Create is right....listen carefully. One of the disappointing things for me was that at the very end the former owner of the Ayan Cafe commented on the situation, subtly alluding to the notion that all Emporians who question are filled with hate. That's very unfortunate.

November 26, 2007 at 12:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I got the same impression from listening to it. Renegade, you were excellent! Thanks again!

November 26, 2007 at 12:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Another forum has picked us up. Their comments are not as fair as ours are, however.

http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?...

November 26, 2007 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Good job! wasn't me with the "Cheetos" thing... you can blame me for most anything you want,though! I noticed a lot of BS about taxes and welfare in the recording.We know he's lying. It was pretty watered down to avoid that issue. I LIKE Glenn Beck! And Chuck Harder.

November 26, 2007 at 12:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Netloafer, I agree about soft pedaling the strength of our argument by offering the comment by the owner of the Ayan Cafe at the end to speak about hate. Nonetheless, we must continue our struggle despite how we are being presented. That's too bad, because the greater percentage of us who are posting here have made valid points. He interviewed me for over an hour but they only used a few words. That's okay, our concerns are still being made public.

November 26, 2007 at 1:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Sorry, I meant to say thanks, create!

November 26, 2007 at 1:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

the radio link said they didnot know the guy at tyson had active tb until the autopsy, are we lucky it didnt spread around town? i thought they were keeping up with the tb at tyson i already know how everyone thinks about this, but everytime i hear the story i wonder how someone can have active tb, go to work every day and have the illness go unnoticed.the bloggers on lucianne are fun to read. this is off topic, but with christmas coming i have a link that gives a list of lead tainted toys from china, mainly preschool toys, if anyone is interested in the list i will post it

November 26, 2007 at 1:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Hey slipandslide, there's a new thread called "Tainted Toys" on the news stories forum. That would be a good place for your list. I'd sure like to see it.

No problem, open_eyes.

November 26, 2007 at 2:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I don't know how many of you have this news or wheather it will be in todays Gazette, but I have just learned that the facilitator for Wednesday evenings' meeting is going to be a former City Manager of Hutchinson who is attending for just the purpose of being facilitatior.

November 26, 2007 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Today's news: "The head of Catholic Charities refugee and migrant services division does not expect a heavy influx of Somali refugees settling in Emporia."

What's this????

November 26, 2007 at 3:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

eiggohp (anonymous) says...

I have not had a chance to read all of these, but the one that CAUGHT MY ATTENTION was in regard to perhaps Somali refugees might be connected to Al-Queida....now that is something to be really concerned about.....could those now living among us in Emporia be "in bed" with those who are killing our young men and women who are fighting for OUR right to be FREE. I think this matter is one that everyone should be more concerned about. I would appreciate knowing more about your findings on this matter.

November 26, 2007 at 4:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

admireed (anonymous) says...

Nov 26th issue of USA TODAY has an interesting feature regarding refugees, and other different peoples from a North Dakota eye

November 26, 2007 at 4:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

create,

http://www.parentdish.com/2007/11/09/...

also try a web site called madeinamerica, i had a little trouble finding this one, but ive heard its worth the time spent looking, it lists the things made in america, using american health standards

November 26, 2007 at 5:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

" The head of Catholic Charities refugee and migrant services division does not expect a heavy influx of Somali refugees settling in Emporia."

That is totally meaningless, unless expressed in numbers, and a guarantee binding the Catholic Charities to that number. Define "heavy". Is that 800 or 3000?

Or is that to say should we just take his word for it?

--- Infinicat

November 26, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I have read as high as 3000 Bantu here.Also Tyson requested 300 Myanmar.Iraqi refugees are in the pipeline.How many have the Soviets taken in? Cuba? Communist China? Darn few,I bet.

November 26, 2007 at 6:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

infinicat.....Thats why we are going to a meeting on Wednesday night..7PM at the Little Theatre....
These are questions you might want to ask.

I think the Forum has been a surprise to many people...We're not just a bunch of hot heads complaining....There has been a lot of research and contacts made by people posting here.

I have had phone calls all day from people wanting to know when the meeting is, and telling me they will be there. They don't post here, but they are feeling encouraged that there is a ground swell of people that aren't going to give up on Emporia.

I am so proud of what we are doing....but, we can't give up, or back off now.....We're finally getting their attention.

im.renegade@yahoo.com.....Let me know if you want to be on the contact list.

November 26, 2007 at 7:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

create: referring to the topic that is in tonight's paper, for some reason I do not for some reason believe a single word that weitcamp said in this article..

I am sure I will probably be lashed at for saying that by some bleeding hearts , but that's life.

Look forward to seeing you Wed night create, thanks for the story earlier, I was a recruiter and a friend of the recruiter in the 70's here in emporia, such good memories of the good old days!

November 26, 2007 at 7:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

create, renegade, hillbilly and others- I will definately be at the meeting, by the way this will be my first one, I am working on a list of questions I would like answered, if the guests do not provide answers that will satisfy me.
I too, like renegade, am thrilled to death and proud to see so many of Emporias' people finally standing together and not letting these people run over you (us). These people are finding out that we are not just a bunch of dumb ole Kansas hicks. I and a very few others have been fighting this kind of thing for going on 30 to 40 years now and I for one am very proud to have an alliance to-day that is not afraid to raise their voices and fight for what is unjust for many and only good for a few.
Lets all remember to conduct our selves properly at the meeting and not give these people anything bad to say about us. Good luck to all of us.

November 26, 2007 at 8:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly and everyone,
It sounds as if Weitkamp is doing a bit of backpeddling. Here is exactly what is written in the article dated November 3. "Weitkamp said he expects Emporia to become home to a 'pretty substantial community' of refugees." In today's article, however, Weitkamp's boss said, "I don't believe that Emporia was ever looked at as a direct resettlement." Say what???

But, be careful. Here's the rub: There is a difference between "direct resettlement" and "family resettlement." Let's get terminology explained on WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
We need to all be on the same page.

Yes, Methusla, I agree, let's all behave. Loose lips sink ships. Come armed with really good questions, and remember, we deserve solid answers because our concerns are indeed valid. Semper Fidelis!

November 26, 2007 at 9:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Funny how we're always the last to know! The agencies ARE actively lobbying DC for your bucks and looking the world over for "clients".They pushed Washington to double the quota.Tyson has their labor request in... This is from Nov 06-

On 16 November, the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (PRM) of the US Department of State has announced plans to resettle large numbers of Burmese refugees, principally from Thailand and Malaysia, during this fiscal year.

According to Assistant Secretary of State Ellen Sauerbrey, authorisation has been granted to double the number of Burmese refugees to be resettled, and transfer 20,000 Karen refugees resident in Thailand and 5,000 Chin refugees resident in Malaysia and India between 1 October 2006 and 30 September 2007.

The decision to accelerate the processing of these refugees follows vigorous advocacy by JRS USA and other US based NGOs first to obtain waivers to the "material support" grounds of excludability for these groups, and once the waiver was granted, to move swiftly to bring these refugees to the United States.

http://jrsusa.org/dispatches/dispatch...
JRS-USA: Publications - Dispatches

November 26, 2007 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Does anyone notice the trend that has been happening in the last 10 to 20 years and most certainly in the last 7 years this trend has certainly increased. People, AMERICA IS NOT FOR AMERICANS ANY MORE !

November 26, 2007 at 10:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

yes there is a difference in what the whaco at ccc is saying,going from sounding like a major resettlement to family resettlement, included he thinks most of the local somalies are young w/o spouses/kids in his first story i thought he said with alot of effort, they could become citizens in five years, i think that takes into account alot need to learn english or do they need to know english to become citizens? anyway the paper story that had the federal guidelines said there citizenship is decided after a year, if im reading this right, i wonder what the huge difference in time accounts for renegade dont underestimate things, it could be they will let the issue simmer down and then slip a few hundred, or thousand in like noone will notice, im sure the city and tyson both didnt think anyone notice the non english speaking mexican population growing expotentonally here ha! everyone noticed, but im sure the city figured were hicks that cant see whats in front of us. yeah as long as everyone is calm wendsday, it will help make it possible for others to have time to ask a question or two, arguments and interupptions use up alot of time and i bet the panel will want to cut and run as soon as they can. is anyone going to carry a tape recorder and or a camcorder? maybe copies of all the gazette stories will be handy so if they contradict whats already been said someone in the crowd can use the paper to point out the discrecpceys.

November 26, 2007 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

not only that methusla, if anyone dares to say anything about how many immigrants/refugees there are, we are automatically labeled as racist!! cant we stick up for ourselves without hearing the same ole broken record? i guess i can plan on hearing the same ole song for a long time

November 26, 2007 at 11:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla and slipandslide- I guess we're just racist,conspiracy-theorists,and hate-mongers to them.But how come they're always the ones with their hands out? I have seen none of the outfits,or people we question able to succeed without our cash.None.

November 26, 2007 at 11:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

slipandslide- Just a little information I gleaned from www.infoplease.com, the languages spoken in Somalia are
Somali, Arabic, English and Italian, now draw your own conclusions.
Now to the other people on this forum, If the head of Catholic Charities and migrant services has read the facts and figures on how many Somali refugees are in Emporia he or she would find that according to the Topeka Capitol Journal article of November 25, 2007 that according to Lori Torres and Renee Hively they were notified a day in advance that 70 Somalis were being transferred from a (Tyson Foods) plant in Nebraska, Hively recalled. " That 70 soon grew into 400, seemingly overnight"
An estimated 750 to 1,000 Somali refugees are living in Emporia, a magnet because of jobs at the Tyson Foods meatpacking plant. These are facts and figures published in a newspaper that is available to pretty much everyone.
If these people don't think 750 to 1,000 refugees of any kind is not a heavy influx of refugees, expecially into a town the size of Emporia, then I would like to know what their idea of a heavy influx is !

November 26, 2007 at 11:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

I can't help but think the Gazette is guilty of secretly enjoying all this attention their little paper is getting from covering this. How much of all this hysteria is due to the Gazette? How about the timing of these articles? How long have they been sitting on some of this info? 3 weeks after the original 'resettlement center' story, Weitkamp backpeddles? Just before the big meeting? We all know Gazette sales are low......how else to create sensational selling stories....... panic & fear! No wonder Sauder got jealous. Then they tried to start another debate on the name of the 'Christmas Parade or Seasonal Parade' til we called them on it..... That sure got jerked fast, Gwen! Why doesn't the search show all of the gazette's stories on the Somalians? There was a front page story on the Essence section May 19-20, 07 that doesn't come up, written by Jon Goering. I'm tired of scrolling down thru 700, now 400 posts.....How about pages? Or is my ol 'puter just too old? Thanks any way gazette.... at least ya got us all fired up! We'll show 'em we're not the path of least resistance! Go find another tyson hick town to dump on. Biggest news here for along time! See ya all at the meeting!!

November 26, 2007 at 11:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Everyone, checkout the latest posts and info on www.refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpres..., I think that maybe what we are doing and trying to do in Emporia may be gaining coverage and support from a lot larger audience and that the ground-swell we have started may just be turning into a tidal-wave in our favor, I don't know but I hope so !

November 27, 2007 at 12:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

ksfarmer-The article is there-use the search box at the top of the webpage.In May this year they estimated 600 mostly single men at Tyson.

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...
‘Growing Pains’ | emporiagazette.com

November 27, 2007 at 12:56 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

600 younger men,400 employed there,sorry-you had to read 2 statements at each end of the article.

November 27, 2007 at 1:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

If we can get the right questions asked in the right format Wednesday,there will be a lot people there that will know if the answers are truthful.We'll know if it's smoke and mirrors,too. I'd like to think that they wouldn't lie to the elected officials that'll be there.But I expect a lot of- "Well,no,back then I meant those figures kinda like something else altogether...."

November 27, 2007 at 2:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Looks like Ft Wayne has problems-and needs to deal with a 50% latent TB infection rate.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll...
Refugees strain Allen Co. health services | IndyStar.com

November 27, 2007 at 4:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

ks farmer if you are scolling to the bottom and want to go faster, on the keyboard are two buttons, one says home the other end, push the end button, i need to do it twice, and it will go to the last comment thats posted. also click on some of the text, click, when it highlights the text, right click, then push select all, then push ctrl and the letter 'c' at the same time, it will copy everyting on the page, after that i go to my email , in the messasge box, i type ctrl and the 'v' key and it will copy everything on this page, then i email it to myself as a record so if i want to save some of the links on here i have it.if you did not need all this infor, just ignore me.

November 27, 2007 at 7:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glarson (anonymous) says...

Dear ksfarmer,

I can assure you that Bobbi Mlynar is working very hard to keep up with all the angles on the Somali issue, tracking down sources and verifying statements. As some of the posters noted earlier on the Norfolk story, it is difficult to do indepth pieces with sources who are out-of-state. In addition, she has her regular assignments to keep up with, also.

As for grouping all the stories about Somali refugees in Emporia, we have talked about that and are working on a separate page. In the meantime, I would suggest searching for both "Somalia" and "Somali" to try to find all the articles we've published.

Finally, as to the length of the forums, I agree that this thread is becoming long. It's up to nearly 400 posts. Anyone who wants to create new forums under "news forums" can. Some posters already have, which is why you now see forums for smoking bans and tainted toys.

If anyone wants to do it, I would suggest creating forums in line with the tangents of this discussion — health issues, education, social services, other towns. Those wanting to keep up with all the issues will still have lots of reading to do, but it may seem less cumbersome on first glance.

Gwen Larson

November 27, 2007 at 7:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

blulite---thanks, but that's not the right article either. This is titled "Building Bridges". Shows a photo of the Ayan cafe & praying at the Islamic Center. Thanks also to Slipnslide. This ol hick barely knows hunt n peck on keyboard, I'll try your tips. Gwen.... I know.... excuses, excuses. Journalism, selling newspapers must be getting tougher in this cyberage... Still, how come that one article doesn't come up? Think how slow the news day would be without this drama!We'd probably be reading about another donation to Locks of Love with photos on the front page. Talk about barfing.

November 27, 2007 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

For your morning reading -- Emporia is mentioned on this national blog.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/at...

November 27, 2007 at 8:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Gwen...
Maybe after tomorrow nights meeting there will be more new forums, for tangents. :-)

November 27, 2007 at 8:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

This from "Growing Pains" about Fardusa Council --

"Currently there are more than 400 Somalis working at the plant, and it is Council’s job to make sure that everyone’s concerns are addressed, including those of the Emporia community."

What's missing? How come nobody addressed the concerns of the Emporia community until we got on our war ponies?

November 27, 2007 at 8:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

Does anyone know who long the meeting is timed for. Seems like there are a LOT of powers who want to be on the list for those who will be lying, oops sorry, talking to us about how we should change our lives to be more accepting and loving to our new friends. OK gotta do it,, BARF! (my opinion) If there is a time limit on this meeting, I am sure that they have figured it out that the more they ramble on, the less time they will have to answer questions, and there are a lot of them on the list, now I do know that some will not have much to say, not that they dont have anything to say, they just cant think for them selves and if placed in this type of environment, if not told what to say, words are hard to come up with. It wont be hard to see who has been coached and those who have not. having worked at tyson for a small while, I will be laughing, under my breath of course ,as their reps speak. BUT I am ONLY speaking for myself, and I will have only one question if called upon to ask it. Because I know that many of you will and are so ready for this meeting, and I wish you all best of getting your questions answered correctly, ( but I'll believe it when I see it, sorry for being neg, but face it, what ever it takes they will blow smoke, especially to us old hillbilly's). Hope it will be a good meeting, I just hope a lot of people dont become so POLITICALLY CORRECT (for some damn reason), (say what you feel!!!! )make them look and sound really.. SILLY!!!!

November 27, 2007 at 9:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

ksfarmer,
give Bobbi and Gwen a break, please. You know, it takes tons of time to verify sources, sometimes a day or more on some. I myself have been doing that with what I offer you to read. It takes time, baby, so be patient okay? I know that Bobbi is working very hard on this story and she wants to be doubly sure that her sources are right on. On top of that, they are working short-handed down there. Be cool, and give your war pony another flake of good hay today, we got lots of ridin' to do tomorrow night.

I look forward to meeting you at the meeting.

November 27, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Ksfarmer...I like that ...."Weitkamp Backpeddles"..(good headline).

How about?.... "Bloggers and Emporians WIN Round 1"

Round 2 - Wednesday night, November 28, at 7PM at Little Theare.

Please everyone, plan to be at the meeting. This is important to everyone!!!!

November 27, 2007 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Ksfarmer....I agree with you on the Gazette...

I think we should hold some "feet to the fire" tomorrow night.
We need to listen to what they have to say, but no excuses, and there are some people in our community that have been hiding under the Radar lately, but, that will only last for so long. It's not over yet.

November 27, 2007 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

If you haven't already read Patrick Kelley's editorial last night, now's the time.

http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/20...

The first comment by B3bill is right on target. In order to prevent a bunch of confusion and chaos, I'm posting this link to what is called the Delphi Technique. Very important for you to read this if you are coming to the meeting. I've been sitting on this for some time now, but I think it's time you look at it. Don't forget, we are hoping that we have a neutral facilitator. That's a must! I am trusting that we will.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 27, 2007 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

oops...Create...I agree with you about the Gazette...(you were addressing ksfarmer- I thought he wrote that) Sorry.

I spoke with Bobbi yesterday, and I know she is working hard to verify information, and has been working hard to get the stories to us.

November 27, 2007 at 9:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Remember The Spring Institute, the outfit from Denver who came here and met with the ERRA in the beginning of all this? Here's their tax form 990. If you are a numbers person, you will find this interesting. At any rate, you tell me, are these really good people wanting to help humanity, or are they just wanting to jump on and stay on the government gravy train? And our taxes continue to go up and up and up.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments...

November 27, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

There will be a time limit on questions tomorrow night...However, no one knows what that limit will be.

So, I go back to what I posted a few days ago...Just think about if you were able to ask one question, and make it the most important question you can think of. Also, if you keep the question short, it will allow more time for the answer.

Interest in the meeting, tomorrow night, is really growing. I have been getting phone calls from people wanting to know more about the meeting. Not everyone is reading the paper, or has interent, so the word is spreading, by word of mouth.

Reminder: Tomorrow Night...WEDNESDAY...Nov. 28
7:00 PM at Little Theatre

im.renegade@yahoo.com

November 27, 2007 at 9:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

From our friends at Refugee Resettlement Watch -- Emporia is on their blog again. Good stuff, my friends.

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 27, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glarson (anonymous) says...

A new page has been built that groups all the Refugee Resettlement stories together: http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/so...

It's available as a link on the homepage, in the box under the main photo. When the photo is deeply vertical, however, the text box disappears. In that case, please use the link above.

Gwen Larson

November 27, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

To everyone- From what I understand in last nights Gazette, there is "No time limit has been set for the meeting", this is per Matt Zimmerman.
Also there is going to be a neutral facilitator, who is going to be a former City Manager of Hutchinson, if my information is correct and I believe it is, as my info comes from a source close to Matt Zimmerman.

November 27, 2007 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Methusla...I spoke to Matt Zimmerman's office this morning..and I was told there would have to be some kind of time restraint, for each person asking questions..or we could be there all night.

As far as how long the meeting will last.....you're right...no one knows.

November 27, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

methusla...you are correct about the facilitator...Thank you, I too verified that this morning.

November 27, 2007 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

To those who are interested- I also understand that TYSON FRESH MEATS will be represented by Roger Brownrigg and as I understand, this will be the first time TYSON will have a representive at the meeting, so carefully think up and word any questions to this man .
Also, its too bad that there is no longer a HUAC ( House Un American Activities Committee), because I believe that what is being done to the people of Emporia and the nation by various individuals, corporations, charities, etc. is UN-AMERICAN.

November 27, 2007 at 10:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Also you should really go to http://atlasshrugs.com, there is some interesting info and articles on this site, if you want to go directly to the section that covers what is happening in Emporia now the site address is longer but will take you directly to the Emporia info, the address is,
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/at....

November 27, 2007 at 11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Financial statements...

http://www.catholiccharities-kcsj.org...

November 27, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Sorry-
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/at...
importing-the-j.html

November 27, 2007 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Do you think it's a coincidence the Fardusa Council isn't "able" to be at the meeting tomorrow night. Maybe they just thought no one would have any questions for her??? LOL

November 27, 2007 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

I've posted some in depth thoughts about how I feel about this situation. I believe they express what many of us are thinking.

The link follows:

http://anothermansmeat.blogspot.com/2...

November 27, 2007 at 11:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

Thank you Create & Methusla….Everyone……READ THIS and pass it to everyone you have in your address book.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/at...

Regarding tomorrow night’s meeting. One thing good about writing your questions down and having your list with you is most likely your question(s) may have already been asked by someone ahead of you. Write down who on the panel answers their/your question and if you are not satisfied with that person's answer make sure you (or request the facilitator) direct it to another member of the panel. However we don’t want to keep dwelling on the same question and getting the same answer. There are too many questions to be asked and too little time to keep beating a subject to death.

The majority of Americans feel our country is in immediate jeopardy if not peril and rightfully so. How many of the majority are diverted to the multiple other major problems we have going on in this country and are unaware of the “big picture” of the refugee resettlements? There are many concerned and decent state representatives (and higher levels) all over our country that are trying to get answers from the top with no success either so keep that in mind At least our top line government isn’t favoring one of us over the other. We are all being put on the meat block (no pun intended). Along with maybe finding out our upcoming costs involved we can find out what our actual worth is or was to our top line leaders (lol? - Not )

November 27, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla-I'll second that- Un-American! and it's downright treason.

November 27, 2007 at 1:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I propose the city and county levee a "subsidy repayment tax" on each non-US citizen employed at Tyson(a military contractor) of $25,000 per employee,per year.This would help cover illegals,and refugees that Tyson receives federal reimbursement for of 100% of their wages and benefits.

November 27, 2007 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I also submit this tax should be retroactive to the year 2000.Figured and paid each quarter to cover short term employees.1/2 to community services,law enforcement,and augment local Homeland Security programs.1/2 directly off the taxes of city and county homeowners.

November 27, 2007 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

bluelitespecial- Don't even think like that, let alone post it on this forum, the one big problem with levying a repayment tax is then the city and county will think you have given them a green light to raise taxes on everyone.

November 27, 2007 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

bluelitespecial-Again I reiterate that there are prying eyes, and ears, apparantly every where, again be very VIGILANT AND WARY about what you say and do, no matter how safe you may think it is.

November 27, 2007 at 3:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

bluelitespecial and everyone- We certainly do not want to jeapordize everything we may have accomplished thus far by saying or doing something to give ammunition to the opposition !

November 27, 2007 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

methusla- It is simply a suggestion for a vehicle for Tyson to give back a small amount to support community services.

November 27, 2007 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

terrye - I would also urge readers to scroll down to the comments section of the link you posted and do some reading about what is happening in Canada - from your link
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/at...

I am also very disturbed by somali's statement that while they treat everyone with respect, "We certainly have no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem".

Think about that statement closely. Exactly what is somali saying? Usay, WWJD? Could you imagine any statement like that coming out of Jesus's mouth? I would really like some clarification on that from somali. Does this mean that while you treat everyone with respect, you have no problem with looking down upon certain groups and/or considering them inferior, such as women? Or Jews? Or Infidels? Just trying to get some clarification here. Maybe I'm reading it all wrong, but I really have some deep-seated reservations about that statement.

November 27, 2007 at 3:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

In case nobody wants to bother with the link, I'd like to reprint one of the posts from the atlasshruggs link:

"Pam - This is a really important post. Most people don't get it about immigration. The same thing is happening in Canada too. Entire communities are being destroyed overnight. A myth? Absolutely not. We lived through it and had to move. What was once a beautiful safe neighborhood turned into an Islamic nation so fast that we didn't know what hit us. We put money down on a partially built condo. By the time it was finished in under a year - the neighborhood was gone and we were living in the middle of Iran filled with obnoxious male ********. I was frequently shoved, pushed and glared at because I was not dressed appropriately and not Muslim. I, and others like me were continually put in our place. It was unbearable. We had to leave.

Other friends have had to move from nice neighborhoods because they were taken over by Somalis. Their neighborhoods were no longer safe. The woman experienced the same problems I had.

It's happened in our rural areas too. In one area the locals were completely unaware of what was about to occur in their community. I swear that this is a true story. On September 11th, 2001 several hundred acres were purchased by a Muslim organization. The purchase had been approved by the local government because a mosque and community center were to be built on this Islamic compound. The local residents were never informed of this behind the scenes deal made by their municipality. No doubt some power broker for immigrants put pressure on the municipal government. Anyway, on September 11, 2002 for an anniversary celebration 1800 Muslims moved into this rural area. Boom!!! Overnight a community destroyed. There was no warning ahead of time. They moved in with tents and trailers en mass. Done without warning or discussion with long time residents. The locals woke up that September 11th morning, and discovered that their community as they knew it was gone forever. This community had thrived for years, some of the farmers families had been there for several generations going back a hundred years. When the locals complained - they were condemned as racists by their local government, and mainstream media.

Our governments talk the talk but behind the scenes a very different reality is taking place.

Islam must be really special - our Governments keep telling us it is. In the meantime the rest of us get the shaft."

November 27, 2007 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Now, what I just posted was a post from somebody on the earlier link, not my words. But I do see some parallels with sudden influxes beyond what was estimated or expected. Tyson transferred 70 jobs here, and overnight the number swelled to 400. So when we are told another 1,000 may be coming, could that number nearly triple or even more virtually overnight? There are those that will say absolutely not (the powers in charge), but it looks like other places haven't had that experience. They didn't expect the 70 to swell to 400, so what certainty do we have that the next wave won't totally swamp our taxes, welfare, and other social services? Any guarantees? Anyone? Anyone of our "leaders" willing to guarantee it in writing? With a penalty that comes out of their own pockets if somehow the numbers "turn out to be off by a few magnitudes?" As somali said, "there is lies every where".

November 27, 2007 at 3:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

momus (anonymous) says...

May I suggest that we have the city council vote on a non-binding resolution regarding the creation of a refugee center in Emporia? It would be non-binding (a cowardly term that I hate), but it would force our elected officials to take a stand and explain their stance on the issue. I have a feeling that this could turn into a shell blame game very quickly, so I think it is important that we get every elected official possible on-the-record. Let's see where our representatives are coming from and why. I think the clarity gained may be useful when making future leadership decisions.

November 27, 2007 at 3:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

karmadog (anonymous) says...

Gwen Larson - Where is the thread for people who want to support the refugee population? What the Gazette is supporting here is a blog for people to rally around only one side of the issue. There's no free exchange of ideas on this blog. No debate of the pros and cons of this issue. I guess someday when our country is torn apart as suggested in this blog, we will need to pray for the kindness and hand up from some other group of people. For our sakes, I hope they have more compassion than we do.

November 27, 2007 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glarson (anonymous) says...

Dear ksfarmer,

My apologies; if my brain had been fully functional this morning, I could have told you why the story was not appearing. Not all Essence stories are loaded to the Web site.

In the May 19, 2007, issue of The Gazette, we published two articles on the Somali refugees in Emporia. They were written by Jon Goering, a KU photojournalism student who spent spring break with us. One article, Growing Pains, ran on Page 1. The second, Building Bridges, ran on Essence.

I've found the copy and loaded it on this site. I loaded it with the May 19 date. It appears on the Refugee Resettlement page in chronological order. It may take longer for me to locate the photos, load them and link them.

Gwen Larson

November 27, 2007 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

karmadog-You may post your comments on this thread if you so desire, this threads' title is REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT CENTER in general that means anyone who has an opion one way or the other may post comments, wheather you oppose or support a refugee resettlement center, but if you do post a comment be prepaired to receive rebuttle to your post and some of the rebuttle may sound harsh as I am sure those who support the refugee resettlement center may post some harsh posts about those of us who oppose it.
So do not accuse this of being a one sided thread, you are welcome and I for one would like to hear your views and questions.

November 27, 2007 at 4:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

karmadog - have you read any of these blogs? There have been plenty of posts by people supporting both sides. Any and all, including you, are welcome to post whatever you want here at any time. Question: If you have a thread "just for people who want to support the refugee population" - how is that a free exchange of ideas, or a debate of pros and cons of the issue? It doesn't sound to me like you want a debate, or a free exchange - like exists here already - you are just asking for your own thread for only your side of the issue. What is stopping you from posting it here?

November 27, 2007 at 4:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

One more thing to add, karmadog - and I say this very respectfully, but in reference to your statement: "I guess someday when our country is torn apart as suggested in this blog, we will need to pray for the kindness and hand up from some other group of people"

Respectfully speaking, instead of sitting idly by or turning a blind eye to everything happening around us all in the name of political correctness, there are those of us that would prefer to work to prevent the destruction of this country from happening in the first place. It would be nice to believe that one would receive kindness and a hand up from others, but don't bank on it. Israel gave up the Gaza Strip as a gesture of good faith - how's that turned out?

November 27, 2007 at 4:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

karmadog, by wanting a thread just for people who believe as you do, what value do you get from a lack of debate? Wouldn't that be like going into battle with your own army and no opponent? This country was founded on debate. Why even saddle up the war pony for such a waste of time?

Just post what you feel. Of course you will be attacked by some; but some may support you too. But don't swim in the ocean if you are afraid of sharks. Just one Hawaiian's take on the big dogs on the porch analogy.

Momus, I sure do like your idea about the non-binding resolution.

November 27, 2007 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

This just in from Israel News in Ohio:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,73...

Whaddaya think, karmadog?

November 27, 2007 at 6:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

open eyes, excellent argument for karmadog with regard to the Gaza strip fiasco for Israel. Don't forget to check out the link I just posted. Made my hair stand on end.

November 27, 2007 at 6:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

There you go again create! Posting articles that are hating on the Somalis again. You said it wasn't about them but the refugee issue and funding.

November 27, 2007 at 6:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Sure did, but hard news is hard news wherever it takes place, even in Ohio.

November 27, 2007 at 8:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

TruthbeTold-If there are a lot of articles that are not favorable to Somalis' or another immigrant populus, perhaps it's because it is very difficult to find numerous positive aspects of immigration and what I call refugeeism.
If you have numerous positive posts about the advantages of immigration and refugeeism or any immigrants or refugees please post them, I would be interested.
Meanwile I suggest that you go to www.refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpres... and take in some of the articles and I might say these articles do not cover just one ethnic group but numerous groups, read some of the articles and after reading some of these articles, see if your convictions about a refugee resettlement center in Emporia are as strong after as before.
And please do not tell anyone they hate another person based on mere comments and don't emply that anyone is a racist, since you don't personally know who anyone is on this thread. PLEASE !

November 27, 2007 at 9:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Thanks, create.

Anyone been noticing that the rioting has been going on in France again the last few days?

BeTold, just exactly what in that article or did the posting of it have to do with "hate"? He was convicted for plotting to blow up an Ohio shopping mall with a man later convicted of being an al-Qaeda terrorist. Who is doing the hating here? Do you think that someone planning to blow up a mall and kill hundreds or possibly thousands of innocent people might have some hate in THEIR hearts? Gosh, the Gazette posted quite a few articles about the Magallenez trial - does that mean the Gazette hates all Hispanics?
I have pointed out quite a few times on this board that somali, in his own words, supports the UIC in Somalia, which is founded by, funded by, and gives shelter and aid to Al-Queda - their leaders even appear in anti-West propaganda videos. Despite all the evidence, somali also claims that Al-Queda is just a tool of the US Gov and Bin Laden is on their payroll. Given all that, do you honestly thing that it is unthinkable for people to have questions, or at the very least be a little wary of this situation being shoved down our throat? Given the fact that there have been quite a few problems with "assimilation", I for one will not blindly turn my eyes away from being vigilant and aware of what is happening around the world, especially when it could very well concern the people in Emporia. I'm not branding everyone a terrorist, but I certainly didn't expect to hear the answers I did from somali regarding the UIC and Al-Qaeda, either. I won't close my eyes, put my hands over my ears, and hum to myself while things like the link that create posted happen in this country. Yes, this is about the refugee issue, and funding. And a component of the "refugee issue" also includes assimilation problems, and the reason for those problems, be they cultural, religious, or anything else.
Tell me, BeTold, exactly what do you interpret from the statement "We certainly have no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem"?

November 27, 2007 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Oh, and a funny story from the holidays. I was in Emporia over Thanksgiving for a few days, well, outside Emporia anyway, I rarely went into town itself. Anyway, I mentioned to several farmers & ranchers that I had heard that "if it wasn't for the Mexicans, Emporia farming and ranching would not exist as we know them today", to borrow infinicat's statement.

I expected some laughs. Instead, they all looked straight at me, and dead seriously asked me if I was on drugs.

And, for the record, no, I am not now, nor have I ever done drugs.

LOL

November 27, 2007 at 9:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

My point is along the lines of Chris Walkers article it is about an new race and cultue. Create had said --
"when are you going to understand that most of us are NOT upset with the Somali people themselves? That has been said over and over and over again in this forum. Why is it that you don't hear that?"
by posting links like that you are promoting and encouraging stereotypes of all Somalis.Every country on this planet has terrorists U.S. included.

November 27, 2007 at 9:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

I also noticed your bit about their driving on NPR. Same stereotype is made for women, old and Sunday drivers.

November 27, 2007 at 9:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Also TruthbeTold-As I posted once before on here, Those of us (any way me)who oppose a refugee resettlement center being placed or built in The City of Emporia because of the under-handed and sneaky way it is trying to be rammed down our (my) throat and because I firmly believe that it can not possibly be a boon to the citizens of Emporia, only the individuals and familys that own or manage businesses will profit from the increased spending in those businesses, I believe the rest of us taxpayers will suffer with higher taxes because of the increased burden on the citys infrastructure, Social Services, etc., in case you have not heard, even our own City Officials and others have said that a refugee resettlement center and the increase in refugees it will cause to come here, will be a burden and strain on the infrastructure of Emporia, infrastructure, meaning, Social Services, i.e., Public Health, Welfare, Food stamps and higher taxes to pay for the increased strain on our infrastructure. Now I don't know how to explain the perseived problem any clearer than that!

November 27, 2007 at 9:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

TruthbeTold-A little rebuttle to your crack about stereotyping, did you not stereotype create as a hateful person when you said and I quote"There you go again create! Posting articles that are hating on the Somalis again". Sounds like stereotyping to me.
Did I not tell you that you were welcome to post on this thread and also told you to be careful, that you will get a rebuttle on almost everything you post, such is open and free debate, welcome aboard TruthbeTold.

November 27, 2007 at 9:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

I agree and thats a valid argument...........I agree but its obvious many are upset at the Somali themselves, what have they done?. Cheap shots at the poorest of the poor and some of the most oppressed people on earth.

November 27, 2007 at 9:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

No I never said hateful. It was acknowledged that she was flip flopping. By her..............

November 27, 2007 at 9:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

The article was meant be damaging to the group (Somalis). I clarify. I believe that you have enough ammunition to further your cause without singling out the Somali people. Its just not necessary. I can hardly wait to read about all the bad things that Burmese people do. Should be enlightening.

November 27, 2007 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

no one is making cheap shots at the poorest, there are refugees who are only leaving a bad situation, unfortunatly, in america money is the main thing here and too many people to support in one town is more than one town can handle, also, how can anyone be sure only true refugees are coming over, not terrorist coming in undetected. by slipping refugees into towns in large numbers without even letting the city officails know they are coming, gives the idea the refugees situation isnt being handled well and if it isnt being handled right, how can anyone be sure there are not terrorist coming in? you would not be fair to downplay the issue of terrorism, and when a town goes broke trying to support an influx of people, that is about the same as feeding and clothing the neighbors until there is not enough money to feed and clothe ones own family. i have not been afraid of the somalis who are in town, a group of them walks by my house on a regular basis, and ive never been afraid or felt the need to install extra locks on the doors, but the thought of terrorists, depressed local wages loss of local jobs, increased taxes, increased poverty and the ills that come with it about everything that has been on this forum are the things that upset me. america is not the land of opertunity, it is the land of money talks. i think the city knew about this influx, thats an opinion i wont change, maybe instead of planning to come to a small town the refugees could have been spending their time making plans to go where they could settle in and stay

November 27, 2007 at 10:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I saw no such reactions when the Tennessee"bank"fraud case,or the missing Imam came to light.Or the articles on possible terrorists coming through the southern border.The Tennessee Representative is calling for an investigation.Check this out for informative links.Click 'more'to read the full article.I think the news source,not the content of these articles was the point.

http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=4650
Israpundit » Blog Archive » Somali Grant Fraud and al Qaeda Investigations in Nashville

November 27, 2007 at 10:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

USorThem (anonymous) says...

Hello Emporians,

A non-Emporain here. I linked to here from RRW blog.

I encourage you to do whatever you can to prevent your beautiful city from being tainted by these Somali muslim refugees.

IMHO, the danger they pose has nothing to do with them being from Somalia. These refugees are not MODERATE muslims. They are typically very devout and deeply religious muslims. It is good, usually, to know someone is deeply religious...but in this case it is not a good thing.

Because they are so devout, they will not even attempt to change. They will make demands for you to accommodate them. They will not assimilate into your culture. Whatever you provide them out of a sense of kindness and fellowship will be looked upon as expected of you. A devout muslim is taught to believe he/she is superior to all kafir (non-muslims) and that it is not permitted to befriend you if you are not a muslim.

Look at Lewiston, Maine
Look at Malmo, Sweden
Look at the Atlas Shrugs blog story on French "youth" (muslims but the media dare not use that word) who live in no-go zones. You don't want Emporia to ever become a no-go zone.

They all first immigrate in small groups and stick together. Usually, there is nothing wrong with that. But as they grow ( and they will grow when they suddenly recall all those long-lost and forgotten relatives back home who also want to come to Emporia) they organize well and start demanding special recognition. Once again, not so bad until you see what they want.

They'll be demanding foot-baths and special prayer rooms in the Emporia library while insisting schools no longer serve hot dogs or sausage( pork) and will call you a "racist" and "intolerant" if you object.

When the group is big enough they will build a large mosque and apply to Saudi Arabia to send over a specially schooled wahhabi imam to lecture them about being good muslims. The imam will remind that the koran forbids them to befriend infidels and maybe remind them of their religious duty for holy war.

You should stick up for yourselves tommorow night because you are Americans. White, black, asian, Jew, whatever. These Somalians won't accept our culture. Not because they are African, or Somalian, or less educated. They adhere to a belief system that is more of a cult than a religion. They will want you and your community to become more like them because their "religion" demands it.

I hope you all are brave enough to challenge the representatives of these refugees. People will call you a "hatemonger" and a "bigot". It is the quickest way to try and get you to shut-up. The threat these people bring has nothing to do with race or bigotry. Islam is NOT a race. It is the culture of Islam that is inconsistent with American culture and American values. There is no wrong in saying that here, in America, you prefer YOUR culture and YOUR way of life over theirs.

Know your enemy, study Islam.
www.USorThemonline.com

November 27, 2007 at 10:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

BeTold, I have nothing against Somalians. I DO have reservations about anyone that supports the UIC and denies the existence of Al-Qaeda, or thinks Bin Laden is just a US tool. I don't care if they come from Somalia, Canada, North Dakota, or someone who lives down the street and has been in this country for 300 years.

So tell me, exactly what do YOU think of somalis' support and denials that I listed above? You're painting a picture of all those opposed to this massive influx as intolerant and racist, but you haven't answered my question to somali's statement about "no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem". Care to comment on that? As USorThem pointed out, many of their actions here, especially towards women, do not present them as MODERATE muslims. Nor do somali's answers to many of my questions. Again, as USorThem said, "A devout muslim is taught to believe he/she is superior to all kafir (non-muslims)". Do you think that maybe being taught that leads you to believe that you "have no ethical duty to hold all people in high esteem"?????? Please, do tell......

November 27, 2007 at 11:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

I certainly hope that everyone reads the post submitted by USorThem, he or she is exactly right and seems knowledgeable on the Islamic (Muslim) teachings, and I would like to add this bit of information. Islam also teaches belivers in Islam that Islamic Law is the only Law that a true Islamic believer and follower has to adhere to and abide by, they are not required nor expected to abide by anyone elses law, not even another countries laws that a citizen of that country is required to abide by.
Thank you very much USorThem, even though you don't live in Emporia, Ks., I can feel your heart-felt concern in you very informative narative, again Thank you.
Again I want to warn the people of Emporia be VIGILANT AND WARE and BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.

November 27, 2007 at 11:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

thanks for your comment usorthem, you said it well.

November 28, 2007 at 12:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

skyryder (anonymous) says...

I can't believe what I've been reading. I'm a Native of the United States of America, born in Kentucky and moved to Kansas due to my Fathers' Job transfer when I was six. My Family moved back to Kentucky while I was attending Emporia State.
I met my Wife in Emporia and have fond memories of the town during 5 years of living there. Since Graduating I have become a Husband Father, Law Enforcement Officer and Staff Sgt in the National Guard. I'm an established Kansan.

When I got back from Iraq, I was saddened by the protests of Illegal Mexicans and other Hispanics Illegally in our Country against our Country. The site of these riotes were like a punch in the stomach. I risked my life for this Country along side Legal Hispanics and other Americans. Now I see what appears to be "Big Business" along with Government Officials turning Emporia the "College Town" into Emporia the Muslim Refugee Camp.

I'm sick to my stomach about whats going on.

I did notice large numbers of what appeared to be Africans hanging around Dairy Queen and what used to be a low quatlity Mexican Restruant on the East Side. I thought maybe the College had an unusually large enrollment of foriegn students. I thought different when I started to notice what I know to be Muslim Females downtown. I found out from my Sister in Law that what I was seeing was Samali Muslims being purposly imported into Emporia. My heart sank. We are importing our enemy into our heartland, I can't believe it.

Shame on the people to brought this upon us and shame on us for letting it happen.

My kids are not going to College in Emporia if this situation continues. I'll have to spent my Money elsewhere. Sorry.

Side Note:
If you are personally battered by these people, press charges and make law enforcement take action. If you don't report incidents, they never happened. Stats are everything when it comes to Law Enforcement. You pay for your Police and Sheriff so make them do their jobs.

Battery is when another person makes physical contact with you in a rude and insulting manner. A blow from an elbow would count as simple battery. There is such a thing as Citizens Arrest until the Police Arrive.

Good luck Emporians, your gonna need it.

November 28, 2007 at 1 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

I just listened to a US Senator on tv express his views on what to do with the "noncombatants" in GTMO. He said it should be closed and they should be sent to Ft Leavenworth.Aw,thanks! Now lookin' down the road a few years- Would they be deported,serve a sentence,or released and given asylum or refugee status?Or a combination of those? If (I said IF)and when that happens,KC or Emporia looks like a first stop for them.

November 28, 2007 at 1:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

The inflammatory rhetoric is ratcheting up just as we should be cooling down and getting very focused and organized on the central issue facing us so the Refugee Center designation can be approached clearly.

Mentioning the usual red herrings is going to torpedo rational discourse and resistance to this issue, not to mention confirm the small-town stereotype. I would suggest to the most righteous hotheads to chill and stay on point.

One blathering rant could make everything else we say suspect.

This is not about anyone in particular, Somali or Emporian, political affiliation, beliefs in apocalyptic notions about the country, etc., but about the future of the _entire_ community and how this influx could affect it.

--- Infinicat

November 28, 2007 at 7:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Infinicat

Well said! We need to keep our eyes on the prize.

November 28, 2007 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TALLEN (anonymous) says...

RE: Catholic Charities Director Jan Lewis’s statement, “we actually receive $425 per person” (Gazette article: Charity Head does not expect a big influx)
Actually The Catholic Volag receives $850 per refugee (including children) from the State Department, half of which they must show went to the refugees.
And it makes money in a variety of other ways.
1. the Volag receives up to $2,000 for each refugee by participating in a U.S. DHS program known as Matching Grant. To get the $2,000, the volag need only show it spent $200 and gave away $800 worth of donated clothes, furniture or cars (yes there are free cars for refugees in many cases).
2. It pockets 25% of every transportation loan it collects from refugees it “sponsors” .
3. All of its expenses and overhead in the Washingon, DC HQ are paid by the U.S. government
4. for its refugee program, it collects money from all federal grant programs – “marriage initiative”, “faith-based”, “ownership society”, etc.
That is all in addition to the annual 109,000.
At the same time it lobbies for higher refugee admission.
If Catholic Charities actually engaged in sacrificial charity, (by using its own resources) instead of profiting from the program, it would be taken more seriously.

November 28, 2007 at 8:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

Ks, maybe someone from the gazette would be able to contact the local police chief for the answer, to your question,, oops, sorry, emporia does not have a chief of police, and maybe they could ask the sheriff dept, oops again, dont want to sturup any problems over there either. DAMN, ks, where does a person go to get answers to important questions such as yours. As I would really like to know how FAR I can go if it ever happens to me or a member of my family.

November 28, 2007 at 8:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wirewatt (Ken Bazil) says...

We need a large turnout tonight as we can get. I hope their is standing room only. The leaders of our community need to see for themselves. We also need to have an overflow of people whom can't get in. Remember the room has a person limit, and if more people than the limit are let in, the fire department should be notified, and see if action is taken.

November 28, 2007 at 8:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

LOL..I posted yesterday that the facilitator was going to be a former city manager, and, that there would be some time restrictions tonight.
I called Matt Zimmerman's office and I was told this by a staff member.
Methusla, also called, and was told about the former city manager, but knew nothing about the time restraints....

Once again....This is another way to prove that the "right hand does NOT know what the left hand is doing in the city of Emporia." If you cannot even get a straight answer from the assistant to the City Manager....The Gazette says Mr. Zimmerman is still looking for a facilitator as of today, and there are no time restrictions.

I swear to all of you that I did call...and I know Methusla called......It's such a small thing, I know.

I have just one question I would ask....WHO IN THE HE** IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING IN THIS TOWN?

I assume the Commissioners will not be on the Panel tonight...since they said they knew nothing about what was going on until we all found out on November 3rd.!!!!!!!....So, they will be asking questions along with the rest of us.

P.S. THAT IS MY QUESTION FOR TONIGHT...SO IF I DON'T GET TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS...WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE ASK IT FOR ME? Thank you.

November 28, 2007 at 8:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

To all of those who came to my defense for posting the link to the article about the plot to blow up the shopping mall in Ohio -- my heartfelt appreciation. We are good, decent people seeking answers and our concerns are valid.

Open eyes said succinctly, "I won't close my eyes, put my hands over my ears, and hum to myself while things like the link that create posted happen in this country." Emporia is not an island out in the middle of nowhere; what goes on in the rest of the world does indeed relate to us every single day. If not, why bother watching the news and staying informed. Why not just pull a blanket over our heads and smile 24 hours a day?

No matter what country of origin the refugee in Ohio represented, I would have posted that article. News of any refugee, regardless of country of origin, who plots to blow up a shopping center in my country is news for all of us to consider. How often have bombs gone off in western Europe? All because they opened their hearts and cities as refuges to the downtrodden.

We who oppose this resettlement plan have taken a great deal of time to educate ourselves on as many aspects of this as possible. We already know that somewhere along the line of migration, at least one refugee slipped by officials when he presented the coroner with a deadly case of TB. That is hard evidence in my book. Are there others? What evidence do we have to that effect? We also know that the health department was overwhelmed by what seemed to be an overnight onslought of cases. I saw no voices in the forum to support the occurence of a deadly disease or how that carrier got under whatever preventive devices are in place to protect us. Maybe those who cry racist were closing their eyes and humming again.

I came forward with my name and appearance at the first meeting of concerned Emporians. Since then, of the many who have called me their ugly names, NOT ONE has identified themselves, but continue to post anonymously. I have received a few phone calls with hang ups and screams in my ear, but my caller ID merely registers "blocked." That's what we are dealing with, folks. I knew this would happen in the beginning. I was warned that it would.These are people who don't want to be informed; they just want to point fingers. Easy to do. I shall continue my march.

November 28, 2007 at 9:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

slipandslide (anonymous) says...

is there really a limit to how many questions can be asked? or a time limit? cant everyone plan to ask all the questions they have? it seems like its the panels job to answer as many questions as there are.

November 28, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

renegade-As I understand the article in Mondays Gazette the City Commision will be present at the meeting and I certainly hope Lougene Marsh is present at the meeting because I have facts and figures and maps from the CDC showing that T.B., HIV-AIDS are not the only diseases that are appearing in this country, because of runaway immigration and refugeeism and the lack of proper and stringent screening of immigrants and refugees for infectious diseases and parasites that carry diseases.
Again I say to all on this forum BE VERY WARY AND VIGILANT and BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING !

November 28, 2007 at 9:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Renegade

I sent an e-mail to Matt Z. a few days ago asking about a facilitator. He responded in the affirmative.

As to the lack of knowledge, I'm not so sure. Last spring, both during and after the election cycle I spent an evening riding with the police. We spent quite a bit of time in the Sylvan Way corridor. I recall telling the officer that I'd grown up in a Boston slum and this rivaled the area I grew up in. It looks a lot like Hell's Kitchen. I noticed there were a significant number of Somalis in the area and was told that area slum lords prey on them. He also told me that there was a plan to bring more Somalis in. I don't know whether the officer I was with would confirm it now, but I'm recounting truthfully what I was told. After the election there were several nights of gunfire in our neighborhood. We called the police several times. One one occasion, when we asked the officer what was going on, he told us that it was an on-going rivalry between two minority groups at Tyson. He wouldn't go any further, but he also told us that we should expect more because there was a plan to bring more in and that the competetion between the two groups was expected to intensify. Again,I don't know whether the police would confirm that. I understand their need to protect their jobs. But my wife can confirm the conversation with the officer.

I don't know whether or not city officials knew, but someone in the city seemed to know. It could have been that Steve Commons, the outgoing city manager knew and chose not to let the commissioners or Matt Z. know what was going on.

But it certainly raises questions in my mind.

November 28, 2007 at 9:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

infinicat (anonymous) says...

Renegade asked:

"WHO IN THE HE** IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING IN THIS TOWN?"

WE are. Ultimately, the power and the responsibility rests with the citizenry.

--- Infinicat

November 28, 2007 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Oh, by the way I would also like to pass this little bit of info on to all on this forum, a true devout Islamic-Muslim believes or is taught that if he or she dies in a Jihad ( Holy War) or dies as a Martyr in a Jihad they will attain a higher status in Heaven. For those who haven't heard yet Al-Queda declared a Holy War on the U.S. and all those aligned with the U.S. some years ago and considers all non Muslims infidels.
Also we have been told that most or all of the refugees coming to Emporia are young and single, well I also have information from a website that in a certain country that the refugees are coming from that the women in particular dress a certain way if they are married, and I have noticed this certain way of dressing in Emporia, so I believe we have either been lied to or misled, ( shades of lets go to war in Iraq).

November 28, 2007 at 9:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

renegade- As I under stand the article in Mondays Gazette the City Commison will be at the meeting. Gee renegade you are sounding like me now, better cool it. Ha Ha !

November 28, 2007 at 9:55 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

new_to_town_and_ready_to_leave (anonymous) says...

Did anyone else notice this answer in yestedays article:

Questions about Refugee Health are Answered

“They’re usually vaccinated by the time they get here, too; that’s part of the requirements coming in,” she said,

If its a requirement why are they only usually vacinated?

Perhaps she misspoke, but if not, who keeps these records and who is responsible for making sure they usually get the required vaccinations prior to coming in?

Am I reading to much into this answer?

Or is this just a preview of answers to come because no one around hear knows the real answers and those who do, wherever and whoever they are dont want us to know?

November 28, 2007 at 10:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

A link from Refugee Resettlement Watch:

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordp...

November 28, 2007 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

new_to _town_and_ready_to_leave-First of welcome to Emporia ! I am sorry that you came to town amid such an uproar, but the people of Emporia have had it with the underhanded sneaky way things are done and have been done in Emporia for some time. Let me assure you that we are not "racist hot-heads" , but just concerned citizens, concerned about jobs, rising taxes, the well being of ourselves, our children their childrens children, etc., and the imminent refugee resettlement center that is trying to be rammed down our throats.
Now to answer your question, No you are not reading to much into the answer in yesterdays article ! What you saw and read has been the standard media blitz by certain City Officials, Public Officials, Churches and Church Organizations and Corporations to try and misinform and mislead the citizens, because they thought they could sneak something by the citizenry, but got caught with their hand in the "COOKIE JAR", so to speak, hence the present fire storm by the concerned citizens of Emporia. Again Welcome, and I am sorry for the situation in Emporia, please feel free to post any and all your thoughts about this on this forum, I, we would be interested to hear them.

November 28, 2007 at 10:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly-You may not be as eloquent or refined as some who post on here, but who cares, I fell that you are as angry as many of us with the way things are done around here and have been done for many years now, after-all we are all mainly just hard working country boys and girls and it doesn't matter how you say it or spell it as long as you get your point across and others understand what you mean.
Keep it up!

November 28, 2007 at 10:46 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I just saw a story in the latest Newsweek on Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian author I've mentioned a number of times in posts here. She has fled her adopted Netherlands for the US due to death threats, and lost her bodyguards. Now some groups are teaming together to help raise money to finance her safety (bodyguards, etc...). "She awaits the day, she says, when there are no longer people who believe they can get to heaven by killing me". Now there's a question I've not asked yet - somali, do you believe in the whole 72 virgins in heaven thing?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/72039

November 28, 2007 at 11:47 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

I am sure that the somalian author could very well just blend in to our American society. BUT, maybe first she should try to Americanize herself, by going to walmart and buying some American clothing, that would make he NOT STAND OUT LIKE A DAMN SORE THUMB. This is America, do as the Americans do, not what you did where you came from, and this applies to others also, call me a damn racist if you feel like it, I am a American and have served my time protecting the freedoms we all have, and also dont tell me about how my family come to America , hell I know that, so save it for someone who cares,

November 28, 2007 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

open_eyes-Perhaps ESU,the City,and Tyson could sponsor her for a speaking engagement here in Emporia.

November 28, 2007 at 12:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly, slow down a bit, go back and read some of what she has said and view the video links to her. She has rejected Islam and is very outspoken about it. What someone dresses in is of no concern to me, if she chooses to wear "ethnic" clothing, that is her right. It's not like she's wearing a burqa. I'd alot rather see someone wearing some colorful ethnic clothing that what I see nowadays with 12-year old girls running around dressed up like hookers. Hillbilly, we are both on the same side of the fence here, but to me, blending in with our society has more to do with your actions and how you treat people and obey the laws than it has to do with your choice of food and dress. Gosh, what if we all ate the same food? No Mexican, Italian, or Chinese restaurants? I'd starve to death! LOL

Blulite, that is an excellent idea. I'll do some searching and see if there is a way to contact her. The article did mention that she is currently in Paris, so I doubt it would be anytime soon.

I just finished reading the latest article on Maryland closing the refugee office. I saw something that jumped out and grabbed me. "Many of the refugees did not want to become involved at the Saudi-backed Muslim mosque, where they were being taught to speak Arabic". Now just WHY in the WORLD is a mosque in Maryland trying to teach people ARABIC? The Koran HAS been transated into English, ya know......???? Anyone else find that VERY strange and unsettling???????

November 28, 2007 at 12:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

glarson (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly,

You're right... your comment was taken down. One word did it, and I suspect you know which one.

Gwen Larson

November 28, 2007 at 12:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Here is an AWESOME and EYE-OPENING read on her. Lots of very interesting descriptions on the battles she has fought, where she has came from, and what has shaped her views. A MUST read.

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaan...

Remember, this is from someone on the INSIDE, who KNOWS what she is talking about FIRSTHAND. Here are some excerpts I pulled out....
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She has no time for what she sees as the ignorant, woolly Islam-is-peace message of Western liberals......

The millions upon millions of Muslims who are not violent – "the wonderful, decent, law-abiding people" – simply do not really follow Islam. They ignore it, or they live uncomfortably with the explosive "cognitive dissonance" of simultaneously supporting human decency and the demands of Islam.....

She lists the awkward truths about the Prophet Mohamed. "All Muslims believe in following his example, but many of the things he did are crimes. When he was in his fifties, he had sex with a nine-year-old girl. By our standards, he was a pervert. He ordered the killing of Jews and homosexuals and apostates, and the beating of women..."

Internal reform within Islam is both possible and necessary, she insists....There is a minority [within Islam] like [the reformists] Irshad Manji and Tawfiq Hamid who want to remain in the faith and reform it. "Can you be a Muslim and respect the separation of church and state? I hope a large enough number of Muslims will agree you can, and they will find a way to keep the spiritual elements that comfort them and live in a secular society."

When we come here as immigrants, we know it will be different to where we come from. It's a choice to come, and we can always choose to leave. If we do not want to adopt European values, we should expect to be criticised."

Continued...

November 28, 2007 at 12:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Continued....

She has even begun to touch on the American hard right's preposterous predictions that Muslims are "outbreeding" the continent's traditional populations and will impose sharia law "within decades".

When I challenge her on this, she says that "experts" say it is true. Then, this month, the Dutch government went further and stripped away her security protection, saying she should pay for it herself. The US government will not pick up the tab – the only mechanism they have for protecting private citizens full-time is the Witness Protection Program, which isn't appropriate. "Only 11 members out of the 150 MPs voted to keep my security detail," she says. "So it's an overwhelming decision, and when I saw that I did feel betrayed. It's not only a betrayal of me, it's a betrayal of the idea of free expression. "I think they believe that supposedly provoking Muslims will only make them more angry and hostile. The four large cities in Holland have now got very large Muslim populations, and that number is increasing – the estimate is that they're about 40 per cent. With that kind of electoral power [they think] it's best not to provoke them."

November 28, 2007 at 1 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

HometownGirl (anonymous) says...

Lions and Tigers and BIGOTS--oh my!

November 28, 2007 at 1:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

open eyes, you know well what I am talking about, dont mix other crap in with what is actually ONE of the problems that could help the solomiees become more accepted, You may love colorful clothing, good for you, Maybe a small thing like their clothing could help the local people possibilty accept a little more, that is life.

hey remember Emporia<< me, over 60 years here and a hole bunch of other folks around here that have been here even longer, are kinda use to seeing and speaking to your neighbor, waving to someone driving down the street, some one in the supermarket. just being friendly and polite, that's what WE(well some of us) were taught by our parents. DO YOU not see how some one dressed that differently may cause a person to take a second look or ,ask, hell, Mable, where did them folks come from????? YES YES, I think we all know about the different ways the parents have allowed their kids to act and dress, we see it all over, and yep lots of types of food, save that for another post. Like a few others here in Emporia , I for one am not into colorful somalian clothing, but then again I ain't gonna walk around in no damn suit either, but I still wont draw attention to others. . thank you very much

November 28, 2007 at 1:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

The Somalians are here as guests of our government and have relocated here in a LEGAL manner. I wish people would spend as much time and energy discussing those in this community who are here illegally and are taxing the system far worse than these Somalis ever will. The underlying problem here is Tyson. Tyson is responsible for bringing in the illegal aliens and teaching them how to abuse our system. Tyson should be responsible (financially) for helping integrate the Somalians into the community. I propose we increase taxes on Tyson year after year so that we can recoup some of the damage they have had on the community. Maybe after several years on tax hikes Tyson would eventually leave which would be fantastic. And don't bore me with how we need them here or how it's unfair or illegal to tax Tyson at a higher rate. All you have to do is pick our one of the many negative impacts they have on the community and pass a tax specific to that.

November 28, 2007 at 1:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

TruthBeTold (anonymous) says...

How crazy to read that now clothes are an issue. The way someone else chooses to dress in our free country is not your business or mine. I don;t see any correlation between a refugee crisis and colorful clothing. Now this is getting comical.

November 28, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly, scroll down and look at some of the pictures of her on the link I posted, especially the one where she has the red jacket on. Looks pretty darn "American-dressed" to me....

Continued...

In Rotterdam, the Netherlands’ second-largest city, immigrants—mostly Muslims from Morocco and Turkey—had become a majority, with Amsterdam well on its way to a similar demographic sea change. That might not have been a problem, Hirsi Ali argued publicly, if the Dutch had only encouraged the newcomers to embrace the country’s culture the way she had. But the country’s multiculturalist mind-set, paired with the national inclination to tolerate almost any form of behavior, had led to minorities’ ghettoization and to a certain lawlessness.....

Hirsi Ali wasn’t shy about mentioning the Muslim community’s self-imposed insularity, or the crime wave involving disproportionate numbers of second- and third-generation Dutch Moroccans. But mostly she agitated against the oppression of local Muslim women by male family members: forced marriages, denial of education opportunities, domestic slave labor, and, in some horrific cases, honor killings. By extension, she criticized the native Dutch for turning a blind eye to the injustices in their midst, and for tolerating those who themselves refused to tolerate alternative lifestyles.

It was a shock and a revelation to see a young, black, Muslim woman championing causes previously associated with middle-aged white male pundits who had often been dismissed as racists or Islamophobes.....

And by and large, Muslim immigrants in Europe do not come with the intention to assimilate. They come with the intention to work, earn some money, and go back. That’s how the first wave of immigrants in the Netherlands was perceived: They would just come to work and then they’d go away. The newer generations that have followed are coming not so much to work and more to reap the benefits of the welfare state. Again, assimilation is not really on their minds.

The Western mind-set—that if we respect them, they’re going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away—is delusional. The problem is not going to go away. Confront it, or it’s only going to get bigger.

November 28, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly-I hate to say it but, perhaps you had better not attend tonights meeting, I am not telling you not to attend, just suggesting that you calm down some before you think about attending. After-all we have accomplished much in a short time and cooler heads need to prevail at the meeting so we do not come across as exactly what some people think we are "racist, un-organized, stupid, dumb ole Emporia Kansas hicks and hot-heads", because we all know that we are none of those things, so please don't let your emotional feelings get the better of you and take a chance of ruining every thing we have accomplished so far. Why I can remember a time when you couldn't get this many people with any kind of Authority together in the same place, let alone get together to inform us and answer questions, so again please , please calm down and lets all fight this thing together as a group of calm concerned citizens.

November 28, 2007 at 1:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

under_score-I beg to differ with your comment that basically refugees are guests of our governvent, 1. who gave our government authority to have refugees as guests in this country, the government didn't ask the people of this country if we the people wanted guests or if we wanted to pay for them to get here and give them money to settle in areas where they may not be wanted, after all do you not have the right to kick an univited, so called guest out of your house !
2. How would you feel if I or anyone came over to your house and moved in with the governments permission as a guest, with the aid of your tax dollars, the aid of various corporations, the aid of various churches and church organizations, without you knowing wheather I was a CRIMINAL, TERRORIST or had some deadly infectious DISEASE and all this was being done without your knowledge, your consent, and behind your back until you found out about it suddenly in your local neighborhood newspaper.

November 28, 2007 at 1:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

I did manage to find the email addresses of a couple of Ms. Ali's representatives, and have sent a very respectful request. I'll let all know if I hear anything.

There is a ton of reading on that web site I posted, that is why I pulled out several key parts and posted so much here just now. Not asking everyone to read the entire site, but I certainly hope that readers here will at least read very closely what parts I did pull out and post here - I found them especially relevent to our situation. I'm done for now, but to drive some points home, I'll repost a few of her major points for reinforcement:

"When we come here as immigrants, we know it will be different to where we come from. It's a choice to come, and we can always choose to leave. If we do not want to adopt European values, we should expect to be criticised."

"She has no time for what she sees as the ignorant, woolly Islam-is-peace message of Western liberals"

"She criticized the native Dutch for turning a blind eye to the injustices in their midst, and for tolerating those who themselves refused to tolerate alternative lifestyles."

"It was a shock and a revelation to see a young, black, Muslim woman championing causes previously associated with middle-aged white male pundits who had often been dismissed as racists or Islamophobes."

"The newer generations that have followed are coming not so much to work and more to reap the benefits of the welfare state. Again, assimilation is not really on their minds."

"The Western mind-set—that if we respect them, they’re going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away—is delusional. The problem is not going to go away. Confront it, or it’s only going to get bigger."

November 28, 2007 at 2:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

under_score (anonymous) says...

methusla,

It is a fact that these refugees are here with the permission of our gov't. You may have noticed that our government doesn't put every single issue that they make decisions on up to a vote. You may not like it but that is the way it is.

I'm curious how you would know that your white or more likely spanish speaking neighbors aren't criminals, terrorists, or have some deadly infectious disease...?

Let's put more energy into something we can all get behind. That is evicting illegal aliens, who are harming our economy much worse than legal refugees.

November 28, 2007 at 2:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Thank you open_eyes. I'd love to hear this woman speak, and especially to explain, "She has no time for what she sees as the ignorant, woolly Islam-is-peace message of Western liberals" I'm intrigued by this. I wonder if she feels patronized.

I'd also like to hear her speak more on, "The newer generations that have followed are coming not so much to work and more to reap the benefits of the welfare state. Again, assimilation is not really on their minds." I have heard this murmured in polite circles here in Emporia, and I do mean polite circles -- people who want to remain politically correct.

November 28, 2007 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

under_score- I know where you are coming from, but my point is this, OUR government, all forms of OUR government wheather it be federal, state, county or municipal should not be allowed to make decisions that are going to affect the well being of AMERICAN CITIZENS, without the consent of the AMERICAN CITIZENS, after all OUR ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS work for US the CITIZENS OF THE U.S. and what is happening in Emporia and all over this NATION has been happening for quite some time now and causing hard-ships for most AMERICAN CITIZENS.
After all if we THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY are just going to let OUR PRESENT DAY GOVERNMENT do what they want, when they want, with out accounting for it to the people who elected them and whom they work for, then we might as well not have elections and be a MONARCHY, RULED BY A KING, QUEEN, EMPEROR OR DICTATOR.
What I am saying is that there should be no uncontrolled, underhanded, sneaky and profitable immigration (legal or illegal) or any uncontrolled, underhanded, sneaky forcing of refugees or immigrants onto the people and communities of this country without the consent of the people who are going to eventually pay for it, with higher taxes, higher prices, lower wages, higher crime rates and profit taking by the wealthy.

November 28, 2007 at 2:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

OK meth us la, you have spoken and as per your request I wont attend .thank you for wisdom for keeping my inline and only read these posts and not comment, maybe the gazette needs a site where people can really say what they feel, oh never mind.

November 28, 2007 at 2:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

You're welcome, create - there's a ton of reading on that page, but if you skim thru or read the first half-dozen or so articles (when you have the time :) she does go into greater detail on the points you asked about. Especially look for the interviews, in addition to the first article on the page. Obviously we have space considerations here so I just pulled out some of the more pertinent statements I read.....

Some very fascinating reading there. Good Luck!

November 28, 2007 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Hey Hillbilly, don't stop posting - we all get a little heated at times, me included. I've just learned to sometimes reread what I get ready to post a time or 2 before I click on that final button. And sometimes that still doesn't prevent me from saying things I shouldn't have. But don't give up - we still need to hear from ya!!!!

November 28, 2007 at 2:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CSD (anonymous) says...

The National Conference of State Legislatures has a good summary of the kinds of issues state and local governments face with respect to refugee resettlement at http://www.ncsl.org/standcomm/schumse...

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment Office of Local and Rural Health (KDHE), in cooperation with the Kansas Deapartment of Social and Rehabilitation Services (SRS) administers a "comprehensive Refugee Resettlement Program." The requirements of the program are at http://www.kdheks.gov/olrh/resources_...

The city, county, school district and health center may qualify as applicants under the Preferred Communities Program for federal funding pursuant to the Standing Announcement for Services to Recently Arrived Refugees. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/f...

Unfortunately, I have been unable to locate any other resources with respect to what federal or state funding that might be available to communities to subsidize the costs (in the form of interpreters and ESL classes, for example) that communities must bear when a refugee population is resettled there. Perhaps someone will ask this question at tonight's forum?

November 28, 2007 at 3:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

methusla (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly-I am sorry you took what I said the wrong way, I agree with open_eyes, we (I) would love to have you keep posting and have input, just do like open_eyes and myself do, after you compose a post, double and tripple check it before clicking the post button, again I am sorry if I offended you, but its just that I have been fighting this sort of thing here for 30 to 40 years now and believe you me after that length of time being one of only a very few who had the gumption to stand up and say something I am plenty fed up and mad as H__L, but at the same time I am thrilled to see so many people finally getting fed up ( as I have been for a long time) and standing up, united in a cause that we all know will not and cannot benefit all Emporians, but will only benefit a few Emporians, so please Hillbilly don't stop posting and come to the meeting, just sit on your hands and bite your lip or watch what you say, because that is probably what I will have to do and this is a great oppertunity for us, if we don't blow it. Again I appologize if I degraded or belittled you in any way, that was not my intent.

November 28, 2007 at 3:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Wow, that was fast, I already got a reply back. I said in my email that I was contacting them as a private citizen, and asked some specifics about speaking engagements, and would pursue it with the local university/city to see if there was interest.

I knew it would probably be pricey.... but here it is:

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I have received your email request, included below, inviting Ms. Hirsi Ali to speak in Emporia, Kansas. Susanna Lea Associates represents Ayaan in her public speaking.

In response to your question, we have established a minimum honorarium of $25,000 for all university and non-profit sponsored events. In addition, the sponsoring institution is also responsible for providing round-trip airfare, lodging and accommodations for Ms. Hirsi Ali, as well as her security detail.

I need to also address the specific issue which prompted you to contact us. It is possible that her security team will not clear her to travel to your area if the local situation continues to be inflammatory. Just something to keep in mind. We never gamble with her safety, and everything must be cleared through her security team.

Please let me know if you would like to pursue this invitation.

All best,

Lauren Wendelken

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Well, if anyone back there locally would like to contact the university, city, Tyson, or anyone else that would be interested in coming together to work towards possibly making this happen, let me know....

November 28, 2007 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

Is the entrance to the little theatre off of 6th or west of the auditorium?

November 28, 2007 at 5:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

I'll bet ESU would be interested. There may even be a grant from the state department to help out.

November 28, 2007 at 5:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

terrye, just go through the front doors on 6th then turn right when you get inside, go up one flight. You'll see it.

November 28, 2007 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

create (anonymous) says...

Hillbilly, don't be sitting in that corner frowning and mumbling. You come to the meeting. Just be civil, that's all. If you misbehave, I'll find you and give you a good reason to frown. :)

November 28, 2007 at 5:20 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

terrye (anonymous) says...

Thank you create.....there are surrounding community friends that have Emporian's support.

November 28, 2007 at 5:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

staffusa (anonymous) says...

Most assuredly, Tyson Corporation is receiving incentives for hiring these refugees. There are many types of government programs for hiring various disadvantaged groups. Companies either get tax incentives or the salaries are paid by government agencies for hiring people in disadvantaged groups.

Questions for the city leaders should include: 1) What compensation is Tysons receiving from the federal and state governments to bring these refugees to Emporia to work in their plant? 2) How much compensation is Tysons putting back into the city coffers to pay Emporia for the services that the city has to provide to these people? 3) "How much money are Emporia businesses losing due to people in surrounding communities no longer wanting to go to Emporia to shop?
4) How is the influx of these refugees affecting the growth of ESU?

Here is a link to an article that appeared in the Topeka paper on November 25, 2007, Michael Shields was the author. Please read this article.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/...

Here is a section from that article I found rather interesting about the health issues concerning Tysons and these refugees.

"Before the Somalis began arriving in Emporia, the local health department tracked about 30 latent cases a year. Now Torres manages about 200 cases, about 80 percent of which she said are afflicted Somalis. She also handles the cases of two patients with active TB, one of whom is Somali.

Griffin said the number of tuberculosis cases reported in Kansas this year will increase from 8 percent to 10 percent attributable to what is happening in Lyon County. In 2006, about 60 percent of the state’s tuberculosis cases were in foreign-born individuals, he said.

Hively said when tuberculosis cases were less common, each of the department’s nurses divided the case management responsibilities, but with the surge it was decided Torres would take them all, in essence creating a full-time tuberculosis nurse position.

They also persuaded the clinic’s managers to hire a full-time Somali translator."

It would be interesting to learn how many of these tuberculosis cases are employees of Tysons.
If the majority of these infected people are employees of Tysons, the the question has to be asked what is the government doing to ensure that Tysons are performing "due diligence" in their hiring process and work methods to ensure the safety of fellow employees and the members of the community.

There are many concerns that need to be addressed before more refugees are relocated to Emporia. The citizens of Emporia have a right to have their questions and concerns answered honestly and forthright.

November 28, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Woulda been interesting to be there tonight-no 'crip' parking spots within a block.I found a parking spot nearly a block away.I got to the landing within 10 ft of the theater door.Noticed some nice people holding stacks of papers in the doorway.After 10 minutes of looking at a congested doorway,I left.

November 28, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

smith_ron (anonymous) says...

Oh My God!! Immigrants...coming to America. Like that never happened before.

November 28, 2007 at 7:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

emporia (anonymous) says...

I would like to respond to this....“ ... (A)nyone can come to the Flint Hills Community Health Center to seek services and health care because we serve people with insurance just as we serve people without health insurance,” Marsh said. “We’re billing their insurance for any services that they receive here and that’s a good thing for us as an organization. That helps to sort of round out our revenue stream.”

This statement is NOT true. I went with my daughter at the advice of my doctor to get her menigitis shot at the health center. I have health insurance and had cash and a checkbook ready to pay for the shot. After an almost hour and 1/2 wait in a waiting room filled with Somalians, we were turned away. WHY??? Because we did not have Medicaid. I said to the nurse, I will pay for it right now. No...we cannot give it to you. I don't get it. You are an American citizen, you follow the rules of the country, you work hard, pay your bills, go out of your way to help others both with deed and financially...only to be turned away. I just don't get it. Worse yet...to see a LIE in the paper.

November 28, 2007 at 9:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

hottopics (anonymous) says...

Its not about immigrants coming to America. Its how they have been dumped in small town America who does not have the resources to support them Then its about their actions, behavior and disregard to the community and the ways of our country.

Its not about clothing, race or religion. This community cant support itself on the crazy high taxes and lack of jobs as it is. And we dont appreciate the immigrants making requests for special attention. Dropping them here was the worst place they could have picked.

November 28, 2007 at 9:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

If all this time the gazette knew they misquoted Weitkamp, why was there never a correction????????? No Bobbi at the meeting tonite.....hhhmmmmmmmmmmm

November 28, 2007 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

skyryder (anonymous) says...

Someone give us the results of the meeting.
I found out about it late and couldn't get off work.

Give us the blow by blow. The Good the Bad and the Ugly.

November 28, 2007 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

lookup (anonymous) says...

Standing room only & lots of police! Weitkamp claimed he never said there would be a refugee settlement center here.I think the gazette owes everybody an apology for letting the pot simmer for soooo long while still stirring it tonite with a story about the place in Maryland. Give it up Gazette.....no name on the article either.

November 28, 2007 at 9:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

skyryyder-at 10 till 7 it was full.... the people holding all kinds of paperwork in the doorway couldn't get in either-so they stood in the middle of the doorway and talked.I left at 5 after 7.

November 28, 2007 at 9:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

skyryder (anonymous) says...

Did the Samolis show up? No reason for them to since they are not Citizens of the United States but rather guests.

Was anything decided at this meeting or was it a Phil Donahue moment?

I still don't understand why the Churches would import Muslims. It's like putting your head in a lions mouth.
It would have made more sense to bring in Displaced Iraqi Christians. That's something I might have supported.
I don't know when this help your enemy and neglect your friends attutude crept into the Church.

When Veterans from the War on Terror start to take public office I think things will turn around and we will get our Country back.

November 28, 2007 at 10:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

skyryder (anonymous) says...

Sorry, I meant Somalis. Oh well potato, tater.

November 28, 2007 at 10:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

Ch.13 didn't say say a lot on the 10pm news- 200+ people,they voiced concerns of taxes and possible disease.It wasn't much of a report.Pretty bland.

November 28, 2007 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

CSD (anonymous) says...

I didn't want to mention this because I thought it was an isolated incident but, like emporia, I would also like to respond to Ms. Marsh's statement that “(A)nyone can come to the Flint Hills Community Health Center to seek services and health care."

Armed with cash and a checkbook, I took my uninsured daughter to the health center and was turned away by the office staff. I was told that I couldn't even make an appointment for her because they were too busy to "see anyone new."

I'm an American citizen who's lived in Emporia for over 40 years. I own property and pay taxes here, and my daughter was born here.

I suspect Ms. Marsh may be unaware that the office staff is turning certain segments of the local population away.

November 28, 2007 at 10:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

karmadog (anonymous) says...

Hottopics said, "Its not about immigrants coming to America. Its how they have been dumped in small town America who does not have the resources to support them Then its about their actions, behavior and disregard to the community and the ways of our country."

That sounds familiar, like maybe what the Native American Indians might have been saying when our ancestors arrived on these shores. So I guess we might be frightened the muslims might do to us what our culture has done to others. I get it. Thanks.

And, there were not "lots of police." There were two officers. And, yes, you are right about the Gazette, what's up there...sensationalism is a good way to sell advertising, I guess.

November 28, 2007 at 10:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

I really think it is funny to see members of this community like this. Being from a bigger town I have always thought of small towns as the same. One group of people are the nice townsy-folk who know a little about life. Another group is that of the uneducated people. Many members of this second group spoke this evening. The group was like, how to put this, an uneducated mob who thinks that they are being screwed over by 'those people' as they refer to the Somalis. The lady who spoke about Jesus and how we should stop this to avoid racism was right. While I may not be one to use the religion card like this, she has a valid part about the racism. Many of the hicks in this town are racist and do not care about anyone except those like themselves. I know many members of the ESU staff were in attendance, most of whom I greatly respect. Also, the politicians were there, who along with their voicebox, the Gazette, did not seem to care about the facts and will continue to do what is in their best interests. I find it amazing that many people are shocked that the Gazette screwed up a story, but with the way the Walkers run the place I am surprised anyone there can read, let alone write. Bobbi is a horrible writer and I do not see it as 'shocking' that she probably messed up a story. This town proved two things to me: that there are educated folks in this town who actually care about others and want to accept others and that there are extremely uneducated people like the soon to be mother who will probably have her kid taken away not to long after she has it, just like her dogs that she lets roam the streets. Most of the people at this meeting were in my view bigots with the lying politicians sitting in the front row to just appear to represent the people. These people disgusted me. I wish the people would listen to reason, however, nothing will ever get into the thick skulls of these morons.

November 28, 2007 at 11:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Hillbilly (anonymous) says...

I WENT

I SAT ON MY HANDS

I HAD TO ENDURE A SERMON

I LISTENED TO A ADVERTIZEMENT FOR BANK OF SOMOLIA OPPS, SORRY AMERICA.

I WANTED TO PUKE

I LISTENED TO THE PAINTED TOE GUY TALK ABOUT TYSON

I WANTED PUKED AGAIN

I REALIZED IT WAS JUST AS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE

Sorry people, just telling like I saw it and heard it, JMO

For those of you who will tell me how wrong I think just be honest, you see ,just as tonight's meeting, I can see through the crap being spread.........Maybe Emporia will read the story about Hagerstown tonight or tomorrow...............

November 28, 2007 at 11:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

I left at the break, did any of the Somalians speak at all? I saw 4 officers, 2 in front, 2 in back. And yes, it was also well represented by some of Emporia's brightest stars. I can't decide if the panel felt like we were all a bunch of hicks or they don't really give a damn what anybody thinks and wished it was over. This is our story & we're sticking to it over and over. Of course alot of the same questions got asked over & over. Yes, it's all of our tax dollars & yes they can live anywhere they want. We can't do anything about it. Shut up & go away.

November 28, 2007 at 11:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

ksfarmer.....

Bobbi did NOT misquote Mr. Weitkamp....She was there , by the windows, on her computer.....

I was the one that had the little...ahhhh....disagreement with Mr. Weitkamp.
I spoke to Bobbi after the meeting and she was not happy that she was accused of misquoting a "whole article".

By the way...I got the newspapers clipping back from Mr. Weiskamp after the meeting. :-)

November 28, 2007 at 11:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

The 2 Somalians spoke...and they were very nice...

At the end of the evening the political guests spoke...and, our Commissioners were introduced.

It was a LONG night.....
Netloafter spoke...and methusla spoke, and Create spoke...and, I don't know if anyone else from the forum said anything....except me. (and, I shut up after Mr. Weitkamp and I had our words).

Blu---Peggy Mast was wondering where you were. I sat behind her. She said a few words at the end.

By

November 28, 2007 at 11:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

And you are going to believe someone like Bobbi? Of course she is going to be mad at someone accusing her of misquoting because that would make her look bad(doesn't need any help). She is going to say she didn't make any mistakes to save her pride. I am sure Stephen Glass at first denied his wrong doings.

Wow Renegade, you are one rude woman. You and the moron down the row who wouldn't shut her mouth. I wished she would have been removed.

November 28, 2007 at 11:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ksfarmer (anonymous) says...

renegade-----Then why didn't Weitkamp explain where the misunderstanding comes in at? If he claims he didn't say that, Bobbi says yes, who really has the facts right? It should have been hashed out right there in my opinion. We were all there because of that first article that fired up this forum so HOT! If no one had responded on these forums to that FIRST story, no more stories by Bobbi would have followed. Period. Somehow I still think the gazette liked the feeding frenzy & kept the pot stirred because of powder keg mentality everybody is entertained by. Cocaine to the junkie.....gazette couldn't help it..... gotta have more, more hits on the website.... Instead, somebody should have been gettin' the damn story straight in the first place or having the guts to stand up for yourself. That's why I assumed she wasn't there!

November 28, 2007 at 11:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

thanks Renegade! I was there-no room! I'm just enjoying the reviews now!

November 28, 2007 at 11:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

I hope no more stories by Bobbi will ever follow. Someone pointed out that Bobbi also messed some numbers up so apparently the Gazette was wrong(oh my gosh) twice. That is a low number for this paper. William Allen White would be ashamed of what the Walker's have done.

November 29, 2007 at 12:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Hey ConcernedStudent, would you like to see ESU help sponsor a speaking engagement here by Ms. Hirsi Ali?

You know, Concerned, I've read a few rants and bigoted posts by people on these boards - racist, superior attitudes, rudeness, name-calling, holier-than-thou, I'm-smart-and-you're-all-stupid, I'm-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong little tirades......

And your latest one(s) rank right up there near the top.....

November 29, 2007 at 12:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

I would like to see someone like Ms. Ali come. I wish this could have been held in Albert Taylor and more people could have attended. The whole setup of this 'town meeting' was ridiculous. Hundreds of people, huddled into a room about the size of my the lounge in my dorm, wanting to talk to people who actually know something about the topic at hand. I wish ESU would do more in the concerns to the Somalis as they are here and cannot be ignored by the school. I am disappointed that no one from ESU was on the panel to answer questions. President Lane and Captain Hoover should have been on that panel as well. Also, I wouldn't mind throwing the politicians into the mix as they seemed to just sit there. Let them take some heat.

November 29, 2007 at 12:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

I don't know who the moron down the road was...sorry Concerned Brat. ( She wasn't with me. )

I'm sorry you think I was rude....I must say though, after reading your post, and the names you've called the Emporians...I think you're rude too.
And, being educated doesn't necessarily give you Class...which, in my opinion, you are lacking in, severly!!!

The 2 Somalians stayed after the meeting and shook hands with all of us. It took a lot of CLASS for them to come to the meeting, and say what they did.

I have respect for them tonight....I have none for you. You're an arrogant, self centered, college student, who thinks because you are getting an education in our town, you can be self righteous, and put down people, call them hicks, and uneducated, because they haven't had the same opportunities you have......I assume when you've finished with college, you'll take your sorry, concerned bu**, and move out of Emporia.....so, you don't have to put up with us anymore.

Hmmm, You're right I am rude.......:-) .....But, by the way, I am educated, and my purpose for being at the meeting tonight was to support all those hicks you don't like, and to fight for our community. In the end, I don't know what the outcome will be. I just know that I showed up...and, I cared.

im.rude renegade......LOL

November 29, 2007 at 12:16 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

So did anybody actually learn anything new?

November 29, 2007 at 12:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Who would we contact at ESU to start the ball rolling to check into the feasability of bringing her here to speak?

Careful though, if you go back thru some of her comments I posted above you might not like what she has to say.

"It was a shock and a revelation to see a young, black, Muslim woman championing causes previously associated with middle-aged white male pundits who had often been dismissed as racists or Islamophobes."

You could probably lump alot of your "uneducated hicks" as you like to call many of those that you consider so inferior to yourself in that camp as well.

November 29, 2007 at 12:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

Renegade/ConcernedStudent

I just got back fom the tail end of the meeting.

I spoke with Mr. Weitkamp about the quote and I also spoke to Bobbi. Mr. Weitkamp told me that he was not exactly sure what he said. Bobbi told me that she quoted him directly, that he was sitting right next to her when he said the things he did on November 3rd. Now I've had lots of beefs with the Gazette, but I can honestly say that I've never had a problem with Bobbi quoting me accurately, and she has several times in the Gazette.

ConcernedStudent:
I'd like to set the record straight on some other things as well. Earlier today I had lunch with a friend. When he found out I was going to the meeting he said that there would be a lot of prejudiced people there. I think he may have been trying to include me. I told him as gracefully as I could that there is a much different dynamic working for the overwheliming majority of us who voiced concerns. It's easy for a college professor or someone in a position of respect and high leverage to say that someone expressing concerns is a racist. It's easy for a student to do so as well. What they tend to forget that this is for many of us an issue where trust has broken down and economics. I asked my friend how he would feel if an ethnic group (say the Irish like myself) were brought in to town and they expected to get jobs as university professors or college presidents or even to replace college students. How would they feel under those circumstances. He didn't answer and he didn't have to. I know that he'd be concerned.

That's what's happening to many of the people at the lower rungs of this city's economic ladder.

My wife and I look after her mother, who lives next door to us. She lives on a small social security check and a really small pension check from Ford that will be eliminated because of the recently ratified auto workers contract.

She hasn't complained. But my wife and I share her concerns. Her taxes have almost doubled since she moved here a little over a year ago. A good part of that goes for services. There will be a cost to this venture and I think we're entitled to know what my wife's mother and others living on the margins here will be paying. Very little of it is going to be coming from students. How much is expected of her? What about services she needs? What happens if the system gets overloaded, as it did in Lewiston, Maine? Are students going to fill the gaps? Or is going to be widows and blue collar Emporians?

Each morning when we visit with her she talks about the missions map she prays over daily. One day it might be Tanzania. Another it might be Somalia. Or Afghanistan. She's faithful in that. And, from what little income she gets, she gives to those in need in those countries.

Neither she, nor I, nor my wife, nor most present at the meeting harbor any ill will to the Somali people.
(cont)

November 29, 2007 at 12:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

ConcernedStudent

I'm sure that there are prejudiced people here, but they are not the mainstream. Most of us have legitimate questions that we wanted answers for.

I suspect there are prejuced people at the university. I suspect there are prejudiced students. Yours seem evident from your comments. That's unfortunate.

November 29, 2007 at 12:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

Well, I am glad she wasn't with you. I would have felt sorry for you (I kinda do anyway for having to sit near her). I won't deny that I am rude, however, I am just kind of fed up with the way the whole thing was conducted. No one was allowed to finish what they were saying without being interrupted. I wish people would respect the prior rules that were down. I do think, as you do, that the moderator was very biased, however I do think this panel knew the topic and that they do care about people. I have read other stuff by Bobbi and know for a fact she has messed up other stories. My question is....what is so bad about the Somalis? On campus, we have over a hundred Chinese students. More come every year. No one cares. Why? Because that is on campus. I am sorry for call you rude, but frustration carried over. Many of the questions tonight were asked out of ignorance, not saying all of them, but some. Some were totally off the wall and should have received a laugh from the audience.

November 29, 2007 at 12:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

ksfarmer...

I didn't honestly see Bobbi when it was all going on...I even said I would talk to Bobbi about it tomorrow....Toward the end of the meeting I saw her on the side of the room, and we talked at the end of the evening.

My conversation with Mr. Weitkamp was not what I wanted it to be either....but, I wanted to know why he was quoted as saying so much on the 3rd, and the 25th it was a completely different story. He said he didn't remember that story, and thats when I gave it to him (the Nov. 3rd story)....

After he said the story was misquoted, I didn't continue anymore.....and, I stayed after the meeting and spoke with him too.
I will leave it up to Bobbi and Steve Weitkamp to "fix it."....

November 29, 2007 at 12:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Observer (anonymous) says...

If memory serves, Bobbi gets her facts straight, from the days of the Tom Bird investigation. What has happened is that the light of truth has illuminated nefarious maneuvering by Weitkamp and others, and they must now seek to scramble for damage control. The $104,000 grant is not for a "minimal" influx of refugees.

One wonders if "ConcernedStudent's" malignant vituperation is indicative of the classroom instruction of its ESU faculty. Is its inability to elucidate the issues, without disparaging the adversary, do to a minimal academic standard or to an intrinsic immaturity?

Irregardless "ConcernedStudent's" malevolent diatribe destroys its credibility and relegates its perspective to a zone of irrelevancy.

Education is the acquisition of knowledge. Educating is to develop mentally, morally, or aesthetically especially by instruction, also to provide with information : inform.

The collective education of the Emporia community has taken a quantum leap forward, thanks to this forum and the dedicated hearts of Renegade, Reservist, Create, and the others who care about the content of our communal character. Well done!!!!

November 29, 2007 at 12:30 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

blulitespecial (anonymous) says...

open-eyes-that's why I mentioned that! The "Shock and revelation" statement.Might be a heck of an eye opener for some that have drank the kool-aid.I've been following this stuff for 25 years,and it's all the same ... but a little different each time.The paper and 'net news oughta be good Thursday...

November 29, 2007 at 12:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

Call Public Affairs and Marketing 341-5454. I welcome both sides of views to this university. Netloafer, I am glad that the Somalis are shown no ill will from you or your family, however, many have been discriminated against and have been the target of threats and attacks. They are picked on in the public school system and targetted because of the apparent shyness from the society. I believe these people have just as much right to be here as we do(counting everyone in Emporia). They have the same rights to jobs and housing. They are here legally and should be treated just as you and I.

November 29, 2007 at 12:36 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

Careful observer, most attendees of the meeting have no idea what you are saying. I would say a forum like this creates a 'quantum leap' in education. Any monkey could create this forum or one like it.

November 29, 2007 at 12:40 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

ConcernedStudent

I said at the beginning of the meeting that I categorically reject racism and bigotry. I understand it exists. I have no doubt that there are Somalis who are subjected to bigotry. But I also know that some people attempt to hide their prejudice with high minded talk about everyone else being bigots but themselves. Read back through what you've said. The bigotry is evident.

What answers to you have for my wife's mother. She has concerns. Is she a racist hick? Should she be worried about how she's going to make ends meet and support a developmentally disabled son. Are you going to pay her share of the load if push comes to shove?

Do you really care about the Somalis? Do you realize that they're being systemically exploited by Tyson for profit. They're being pitted against Hispanics as Hispanics have been pitted against the Vietnamese. Do you think it's unfair or prejucided to question motives of Tyson or the service agencies? Do you think that their motives are really as pure as we're being led to believe?

You say that the Somalis of Emporia should be treated like you and I. I agree. I think the same should be the case for my wife's mother and others here living on the margins. The overwhelming majority of them aren't racist hicks as you seem to think. They care about their families and they care about this community and they care about the Somali people.

I'd recommend you examine your own heart and see if your motives are as pure as you seem to think. It would be a healthy exercise.

November 29, 2007 at 12:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Concerned, I graduated (with honors) from ESU years ago. Does that make you pretty "uneducated" compared to me?

No, it absolutely does not. What some of the people you so flippantly put down apparently DO have over you, however, is more maturity. But hey, you're young. You'll learn. Of that I am 100% certain.

Bill Gates didn't even finish college and get a degree. What an uneducated hick.

Why is nobody upset about the Chinese on campus? Read back thru many of these posts - I think you will find the answer. Think about it for a minute. Remind me now - how much special treatment are the chinese getting? Has ESU bowed to all their demands for changes made to accomodate them? How much of the taxpayer funded social services are they taking? Has ESU started turning away local students so they can replace them with Chinese? Is ESU getting subsidies for them? I got lotsa ??? about the Chinese students on campus since you brought them up, LOL

Well, from what I've read here, it DOES sound like it was not well organized or regulated. I hope tomorrow night's forum goes much better.

One other word of advice to ConcernedStudent, keep you eyes open about the views of those who you get your "education" from. Seems our universities and professors these days are getting farther away from simply teaching facts, and spending more and more time indoctrinating their students into their own personal belief system, especially politically. Millions of children are being "educated" in madrasses around the world right now that Jews descend from pigs and monkeys. By educated people......

November 29, 2007 at 12:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Concerned student...As far as calling me rude, I probably was, by some peoples standards.....but, I think you are off base talking about the people in Emporia the way you did.
There is a lot of frustration here as well.

The 2 Somali's that spoke tonight were very sincere in what they were saying...and, as the one walked away,after speaking,...he stopped beside me, and shook my hand, as I sat there.......and, after the meeting was over....he shook my hand again. And....He actually smiled, and looked me in the eyes.....

I can only speak for myself....I feel bad for the Somali's too....they are victims, as we are. We were told we were going to be a Refugee Center...That unknown numbers of refugees were coming in on a second wave, and maybe more...Refugees from Burma were mentioned...and, latent TB...

Concerned...., I am Norwegian, and I promise you if a bunch of Norwegians were coming to Emporia, and would cause the same kind of stress on our community as the influx of new Refugees from Somalia, could cause us, I would have been at the meeting, saying the same thing as I did tonight....
Sadly, this meeting should have been held 1 1/2 or 2 years ago. BUT, It wasn't!!!!.....So, it didn't go the way you thought it should.....This is a start.!!......I'm sorry too.

November 29, 2007 at 12:54 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

Did I ever call everyone in the room a hick? No. I did see some of my professors in the meeting and I am glad you graduated from ESU, it is a great school. I know many children are being indoctrinated with ideas far from the truth, such as Creationism. I know for a fact that ESU is not rejecting students because of the Chinese student program. ESU is losing students and is the smallest state institution. ESU is attempting to grab students from wherever they can.

And netloafer, I felt sorry for how your mom is treated. I believe we need Socialized health care to allieviate these problems. We are the only modern nation that does not guarantee health care to everyone. Also I do think people need to question the government and big business. You could tell Rodger was hiding something as was the city commissioner. I felt bad that you were not allowed to finish reading your speech.

The truth of the entire matter is that no one is going to be treated fairly, and the Somalis will not assimilate until they are no longer being referred to as 'those people'. Also, meetings like this one tonight will never be successful until everyone respects others.

November 29, 2007 at 1:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Renegade (anonymous) says...

Thank you Observer,...that was nice.

Netloafter, you spoke eloquently, and from the heart, tonight..
and thank you for that information on Bobbi and Steve Weitkamp. I got the same information, and, I felt that if Mr.Weitkamp hadn't said what was printed on November 3rd, (knowing all the problems it caused,) he would have talked to Bobbi right after it happened and had it corrected.
I'm glad you talked to them too.
Thanks.

Did I mention that methusla spoke tonight, and Reservist too? It was nice to see them there, as well.

Open_Eyes.. I'll let you take care of Concerned Student....It's too late, and I'm worn out.
Concerned, I think you found your match with Open_Eyes, netloafer and Observer, and Blulite.....Good Luck!

November 29, 2007 at 1:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

open_eyes (anonymous) says...

Student, I never for one second thought that ESU was rejecting local students. I was trying to point out the DIFFERENCE, since you asked a question comparing the 2 ethnic groups. Apparently you didn't realize that set of questions was tongue-in-cheek.

I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph.

November 29, 2007 at 1:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

ConcernedStudent

My wife's mother doesn't want charity nor does she want socialized medicine. She's a woman of enourmous dignity. She's not looking for handouts.

I don't feel sorry for myself. I've been called a racist, a religious zealot, and God knows a lot worse. I don't know who was shouting me down, but I think there may have been an enlightened college student or professor or two. But that's alright. Justice is its own reward.

I'd like to believe you're credible and that you do care about how she fits in this equation. But I have to be honest and say that I am having enourmous difficulty with that.

You're right. Respect is a two way street. Again, I ask you to examine heart and do it carefully. You might find that you're driving ninety miles an hour down a one way street.

November 29, 2007 at 1:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...

Actually, I will provide you with an instance of catering to the Chinese students. The university actually has specific Chinese tutors for Chinese students in many classes now to accomadate the influx. Also, many of the Chinese students are allowed to use their digital dictionaries which are capable of storing information on tests. So, yea, I would say the university is catering. Do I see this as a problem, no, only cheating on the last part.

November 29, 2007 at 1:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

netloafer (anonymous) says...

One last thing. I do have accurate information. I cannot, because of confidences, say who the source is. But Bobbi Mlynar's report of November 3rd is accurate and Mr. Weitkamp's recollection is not. I'll leave it at that.

November 29, 2007 at 1:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ConcernedStudent (anonymous) says...